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Revelation 17:8-18: The 7 Heads: 7 Popes or 7 Kingdoms?

Norman McNulty

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Norman McNulty

Neurologist at Southern Tennessee Regional Health System, Lawrenceburg, TN

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  • November 8, 2008
    9:00 AM
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how to morning everyone happy Sabbath nice to see you here for our revelation class just a couple reminders sound if you have a question her want to make a comment we have a microphone and that's for the recording and says other than that will guide and get started wildly dollar heads for a word of prayer father in heaven we thank you for this Sabbath day thank you that we can continue her study in the book of revelation in his week finish revelation chapter seventeen of their prey that you would be with us as we understand more the deep things of God pretty things in Jesus name and said so we are in Revelation chapter seventeen this is our third week in Revelation chapter seventeen and Revelation chapter seventeen is one of the very interesting chapters in this book I guess one thing I'm interested in as how many of you working here last we only talked about the seven heads raise your hand if you were here last week okay raise your hands if you were not here last week that they set most of the class which is what I was sort of anticipating and that's fine because it might slam through the day is to review more than briefly what we talked about last week for the seven heads one reason being the recording hasn't done not on our university so I apologize for that am not sure exactly what happened there but also for those of you who weren't here last week understanding the seven heads of I think it is very important and so we are going she take a look again at the seven heads and will probably finish the chapter the day that as a reminder of where we are in Revelation chapter seventeen revelations seventeen starts off in the first few verses with one of the seven Angels Hewitt for an out the seven last plagues one that could been responsible for one of the seven monthly telling John and I'm going to show you the judgment of the great for an this gives us the idea then that the seven last plagues are that judgment of this woman known as the great court and Chapter seventeen makes it very clear who this woman is and why she received the seven last plagues and is a clear connection between chapter sixteen chapter seventeen because the very first thing we see is that one of the Angels he was responsible for pouring out one of the place is now telling John here is why this woman receive the seven last plagues then we see that we have this woman starts sitting on a scarlet colored beast having seven heads ten horns and on the woman's four head as the name written mystery Babylon mother of harlots and she's drunk and with the blood of the saints and we saw some time reviewing chapter seventeen that this gives us the big picture understanding so we saw that here we have a woman sitting on a beast we understand from the Bible that a woman represents a church and a beast represents a political how are and we saw that the woman was actually the one he was drunk and with the blood of the saints and what we see here is that the beast represents the political power Babylon the woman represents the religious power about one and as some one of the people in the class to which he week to get whenever church and state unite persecution flawless as we see here is the woman he's responsible for the blood of the saints through the religious power who kills God 's people so that which he key points you to take note of so now we were starting to see already why this woman is being judge she she's made the beginnings of years commit fornication with her she's drunk and with the blood of the saints and so we see that there is the woman and the beast and number seven the angel says on its ID the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her which has the seven heads and ten horns and versus eighty through seventeen give us a clearer description of the beast and then verse eighteen tells you the woman so that's how you would divide up Revelation seventeen and when we get few verses eight through twelve especially which is fully looked at last week this gives us a very clear description of the yeast is and get into the discussion of the seven had and this is up point of a lot of different ideas in the Adventist church some very interesting ideas some some of them somewhat strange and as I pointed out last week the principles of historicism water I come up with something strange in man for those seven had in the beast and all of the so them as a way of review when we get to verse eight now her to talk about the beast which the woman is sitting on so who is this being an inverse aliases the beast that thou sauced was and is not and shall look send out of the bottomless chair and go into tradition now in verse eleven we know that were talking about the same thing because this is the beast that was and is not even he is the eighth and is of the seven go into perdition servers is a eleven discredit beast that was is not and goes into tradition so we know that were talking about the same thing in verse eight and verse eleven does that make sense so whoever this beast visits the same in first aid and it's the same in verse eleven and in verse eight we see that this beast was similar in that it in the past that existed currently it is not and in the future it shall ascend out of the bottomless set and go into perdition so then the question is what is the time frame to define what is passed present and future value think that's an important question so in order for us to know who the beast that was in the past is not currently but shall ascend out of the bottomless pit in the future what is the dividing line that allows the therapy that in the past this is the present and this is the future for the rest of verse eight gives us quickly first eighth is and they while on the earth shall wonder whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world when they behold the beast that was and is not and yet is so what happens then is there comes a point when the peace descends out of the bottomless head they that dwell on the earth shall wonder now we talked about this last week but can you think of a place in the book of Revelation where there is a period of time where the world wonders after something else Revelation thirteen versus all the world wondered after the piece and if you turn to Revelation thirteen it's in verse three when does all the world wonder after the beast thought the world of wonders after the beasts when the deadly wind is sealed so now were starting to get an idea of who this beast that was is not and shall listen out of the bottomless if the same beast that received the deadly winds in Revelation thirteen that makes sense of this beast in Revelation thirteen receives the devil he wanted when the deadly one is healed all the world wonders after the beast Revelation seventeen the beast was is not it shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and the earth shall wonder so that's a parallel description of the same power very similar language and Revelation thirteen it's a deadly one in Revelation seventeen is the beast that was and is not and then Revelation thirteen the deadly wound was healed Revelation seventeen the beast ascends out of the bottomless and both Revelation thirteen and Revelation seventeen earthling one years after the be so real lineup Revelation thirteen with the BC receive the deadly wound with Revelation seventeen and the beast that was in his mind shall ascend out of the bottomless that now we can understand the timeframe to say okay where is the dividing line to say that the beast is now the past currently is not and then in the future shall come back well based on Revelation thirteen this beast receive the deadly wound at the end of the twelve hundred and sixty years since seventeen ninety eight is the dividing line for the beast being in the past in Revelation seventeen so one us of the beast was that dividing line in seventeen ninety eight seventy read Revelation seventeen we are from the time period of seventeen ninety eight and beyond is the beast was and is not sent after seventeen ninety eight the beast is not and then sometime after seventeen ninety eight the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless fit and they that dwell on the year it shall wonder whose names were not written in the book of life so I Salus on the review that I think that's crucial to understand it is that makes sense so now that we understand that as a brief matter of review verse nine here is the mind which hath wisdom so takes wisdom to understand where you talk about next to the grace of God working with that we received that says the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman said I talked about this last week the amount sends and Bible prophecy represents the kingdom how do I know that in Daniel chapter two a great stop us down comes and destroys the image when we are at the very end of the image in the Tony Halls of time becomes a great mountain and feel social holders which is God 's kingdom that he set up which shall never be destroyed so amounts and represents the kingdom so this woman sits on seven kingdoms and immersed in their seven chains and that this is where things get a little interesting some people believe the seven things represent seven pubs and I talked about this a lot but I believe it's important to understand this correctly so we don't get deceived in Daniel seven verse seventeen it talks about fourteen who are four kingdoms and this is important enough that I'll turn there Daniel chapter seven verse seventeen Daniel seven verse seventeen says these great beings which are for our for kingship which shall arise out of years and the question then is who are these four things are for beef and Daniel chapter seven Babylon media Persia Greece and pagan wrap and then you have a little horn coming out of Tehran which is papal so when you have four kings being for kingdoms and Daniel chapter seven and then we see Revelation seventeen saying we has the seven heads are seven kings now we know that were talking about seven kingdoms and then what's very interesting assists five are fallen one is in the other is not yet now here's another interesting point here again we see past present and future five are fallen one is an one is not yet come we talked about it was is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless and we have this view dividing line of okay what defines being in the past what defines being in the present what's are divided want to say something 's past and something is present and we party scene based on the beach that was is not jealous out of the bottle must the dividing line in seventeen ninety eight so then we say okay are dividing line for past and present seventeen ninety eight when we see the seven heads which are seventeen that says five are fallen that in the past one is and one is not yet come the dividing line for the five have things fall under the fighting their kingdoms being fallen is seventeen ninety eight and from seventeen ninety eight then you have the success that sometime in the future you have the seventh does that make sense I saw a hand vacuum if you went to the microphones for the question what was wondering how the women was the sitting on the seven heads if they involved Babel and in Greece you know which the woman had not even arisen yet so was wondering how she was sitting on your questions the question is how does all the woman set on Babylon and Greece when the papal power hadn't even arisen a very good question if you notice the description of the name of this one what is your name in Revelation seventeen Babylon right and so what happened in Babylon because always C-Series you have a woman sitting on the that represents a religious political power coming together so then the question is why is why is this being described as Babylon so is there any example of church and state coming together in the original kingdom of Babylon and if you study the book of Daniel in fact there is any a specific example is the image on the plane of Guerra where Nebuchadnezzar rejected the prophetic message of Daniel Q were you gold silver bronze iron feet of ironclads that I'm in a mean the kingdom forever and you have to bow down and worship me and if you don't I'm in a killing so there you see church and state coming together thus the first example prophetically so to speak where we see church as they come together and what the result is it continues a Medo Persia where the king 's advisers convinced the King shoe set aside thirty days where only he can be worshiped and because Daniel only worships the three true God he is thrown into the wine so we see this concept of Babylon union of church and state down through those kingdoms and so the name that's used to describe all of that is Babylon and then it continues on in pagan and papal Rome and it will continue on through all the powers that give their allegiance to the Dragon up until the second coming sets that's in a nutshell hopefully the answer you're question that cure let's get back to the five kings five are fallen and one is an one is not yet come our dividing line for the past and present is seventeen ninety eight so the question is do we have five kingdoms that take us the seventeen ninety eight that could fit the description of Babylon and the answer is yes we do we have Babylon media Persia Greece pagan Rome and papal Rome which rose from five thirty eight to seventeen ninety eight receives the seventeen ninety eight the question then is what world power should qualify to become the sixth had in seventeen ninety eight well if we stick to the principles of historicism and the book of Revelation the answer becomes readily apparent because in Revelation thirteen we have the first beast which has seven heads and ten horns receives the deadly way and in the second beast comes up out of the years and it looks like a lamb speaks of the Dragon and then and eventually causes all the world of wonder after the first piece now here's an interesting point of history in seventeen ninety eight Western Europe recognized the United States as a sovereign nation so in the same year that papal Rome receives the deadly wound the United States becomes recognized as a sovereign nation by year so seventeen ninety eight is a crucial year in Bible prophecy and as we talked about last week seventeen ninety eight according to the book of Daniel is also identified as the beginning of a time to the end so when five are fallen and one as the success comes onto the scene we are now in the time of the end and we don't know how long the sixth set will rule then we get to the seventh arena talk about that and then there's the eighth which is of the seven will talk about that but here is one thing that I want to point out about those you argue for the seven folks and have a little bit more time to talk about that today's summit talk about it a little bit more here's the argument for the seventh focus the argument is that in nineteen twenty nine when Mussolini that Italian Prime Minister gave the Vatican its legal status as a sovereign nation back to the papacy but the deadly wound was healed there's only one from our mathematical problem with the argument the deadly when was that hateful round as it's as its religious entity lost its power over the state and they still have not totally regained the deadly one will be sealed when papal Rome ascends out of the bottomless ten all the world wondered after the bees and it regains its power its religious power to have power over the world from scratch one hundred sixty years papal Rome was the leading world power any as a religious power had power over the state you could argue that the wind is being healed but it has not yet been healed to the point that papal round can dictate and unit until the United States to imprison someone for not worshiping on Sunday or whatever we are not reach the tops of the deadly one is not yet been healed people try to say what Mike and twenty nine the deadly wound was healed that's when the seven kings which are seven thoughts and if you count the purpose is very interesting the sixth one is John Paul II the seventh is minutes around miscellany Benedict the sixteenth sixteenth and they say he's been a continuous short space in the eighth which is the seventh is John Paul II you can be resurrected Loblaw block on main it's weird stuff that is not biblical and here's what I'm trying to share you if you stick to the biblical Vista worsens principles of Bible prophecy when we see that five are fallen are dividing line in seventeen ninety eight we noticed five kingdoms are Babylon media Persia Greece taken an papal run seventeen ninety eight are dividing line than the sixth head as the United States and when our understanding of Revelation thirteen when the second beast of Revelation thirteen causes all the world to make an image of the first is a positive world to worship the beast to have a deadly wound was healed then we transition from the sixth head to the seventh economic talk about that so five are fallen one of the other is not yet come and when he if he must continue a short space so when the seventh outcome that can be a very short time and then this is the beast that was and is not even see is the eighth and is of the seven go with them to perdition so the question is when is that the that was and is not get a come back this is the fifth had which received the deadly one hundred they if it's described as being the eighth which is of the seven and goes in the tradition when it says it is the agent is of the seven myths of the seven because it was the fifth had and received the deadly when in seventeen ninety eight is the eighth so to speak because when the seventh had comes that is the time when this piece will ascend out of the bottomless it and go into perdition that make sense so it was is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless fit when the sixth head is this beast is not when the seventh head is in a sense out of the fit out of the bottomless pit and the deadly wound is healed now what happens when the seventh head comes in the power notice verse twelve to want for stuff fostered ten kings which have received no kingdom as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the notice these ten horns are ten kings and says they have received no kingdom as yet so this is in the future but when these ten forms which are ten things arise what is the or how is their kingdom described is described in a singular sense is not King dons its kingdom so you have ten horns which are ten kings they received they received no kingdom as yet so the ten horns are the seventh that may have one kingdom and it's with the beasts that wasn't as not to receive the deadly wound and ascends out of the bottomless pit and they ran they receive power as kings one hour with the beats now here's an interesting point commentaries are in the image and Daniel to first when does the stone hit the average in the time of its handsets so that sense has represents you have a mixture of iron and clay doubt the end of the world and its miry clay mixed with RNC still have the element of Rome miry clay represents the corrupt church as the whole world the tensioners are the ten horns and they unite with this beast that received the deadly wound and he ascends out of the bottomless day when the whole world comes together on the premise of uniting church and state and the reason why be assessed out of the bottomless pit or another were just deadly wound is healed is because finally after seventeen ninety eight when it received the Billy was finally the whole world has come together again on uniting church and state together and that is what gives power to the beast because the premise for the power the B's is the union of church and state and that was killed so to speak in seventeen ninety eight Sarah goes into the bottomless pit and the United States as the second beast of Revelation thirteen that pulls that be out of the bottomless fit and give the resurrection says and that is when the whole world comes together under the union of church and state and this beast has power again now this and that's basically reviewing what we did last week but for those of you who were there are you were here last week China catches you up on what we study for those of you were here to get reviewed Revelation seventeen is is a challenging passage of Scripture to understand that if you understand it it gives you much better idea of what happened at the top of the hour doing on time so let's have a volunteer read verse fourteen Revelation Chapter seventeen verse fourteen are done here Revelation Chapter seventeen verse fourteen he so make war with the lamb and the Lamb shall overcome them for he is Lord of lords and King of kings and they are with him are called and chosen and faithful okay thank you now the very first thing first fourteen fees who is true is that referring to the him him or that the ten horns and the beliefs and what a lady they all make war with the land actually I skipped verse thirteen start about the Sony reader thirteen and I did that verse thirteen these have one mind and shall give their power and strength unto the beast the notice the whole world as one mind this is a crucial point this is the great controversy between Christ and Satan in John seventeen Christ raises that we all may be one with him to looking to find what this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus the mystery of God Christ in you the hope of glory having the mind of Christ and then the whole world she wonders after the beast these have one mind and this is mystery Babylon see you have the mystery of God and you have Mistry Babylon so you have Christ and being one mind with Christ and you have the mystery of Babylon and being one mind with the East and remember in Revelation thirteen that Dragon gave this power see an authority to the beast with seven heads and ten horns to either you will be one mind with Christ or one mind with the devil or the Dragon at the end of time there's no there's no middle ground so when that Sam Kings come together with the beast they will have one mind its union of church and state and when this union of church and state happens these the ten horns and the beast who have won mine shall make war with the land sonatas what happens here Babylon the woman in the beast and the seven had forms in time to the end of time when the seventh had comes up and continue for just a short space this is the curate of time when the whole war world makes war with the way now is there another place in the book of Revelation that describes war being made or received in Revelation chapter twelve that Michael fights against the Dragon at the end of Revelation chapter twelve this is the Dragon was rocked with a woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ so notice here the Dragon he gives gives us power seat authority to the beast the seven heads and ten horns makes war with those you keep the commandment forgotten how the testimony of Jesus Christ that happened during the twelve hundred sixty years and happens again at the end of time when the whole world unite under the premise of church and state they will make war with the land in the person of his saints with those you keep the command forgotten how the testimony of Jesus Christ and so Babylon the woman who is drawn for the blood of the saints she is the one who goes after those you keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ and she receives the power to do so at the hand when the whole world comes together and they give their power as we see in verse seventeen verse thirteen or Chapter seventeen when they give give their power and strength to the beast when they give their power and strength politically to the beast then more war is made against against the Lamb blessed is the Lamb shall overcome them for he is Lord of lords and King of Kings and they that are with our hall and shows him and faithful that is a lot that we could say about being called chosen and faithful there is one verse that I want to insurance you and it's second Peter chapter one verse ten serve on cheer that wants to read second Peter chapter one verses are right over here second Peter one percent the computer wonders tenses wherefore the rather brother and give diligence to make your calling and election sure for if you do these things you shall never fall so if a computer check arrives to give diligence to make your calling and election sure but what's this calling it these exceeding great and precious promises that my views you many partake of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and then there's it's known as Peter 's latter second Peter chapter one and if we give diligence to maker calling and election sure we shall never fall and you twenty four not him he was able to keep default from falling ventures in the book of G8 talks about those to which each running the grace of God the lasciviousness is known as the doctrine of an acquaintance that brings in the teaching that you can do whatever you want in it doesn't affect your standing with God we see that teaching in the church today that the Babylonian teaching and so what we see here is that God has a group of people in a tent who were called they've made a calling and election sure and they've reached the point where they do not fall there among the height and forty four thousand show have faith for their faithful to God so the reason why the lamb overcome the beast and the ten horns and and so forth is that he has a group of people that have been called that a been chosen and that our faithful during the last crisis when all the world wondered after the beast got has a group of people who are faithful to the calling an election that he is given so that's a key point amounts but we've been called to be able to be faithful to you that we haven't a hand back here could you couldn't end on the last part of verse eight and how that relates to this verse the last part of a verse eight says David Paul Meares showed wanted his names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world when they behold the beast that was and is not near that said that's talking about dose you are not faithful to God will ultimately wonder after the peace that you are not faithful when the piece comes up out of the bottomless set it can be an overwhelming power for that if you're not faithfully God and so that if you choose us to be faithful so that we are not deceived that five weeks that's why we study this book so that we will not be deceived at the end of time now wrapping up chapter seventeen and we sat really the key points that an verse fifteen is a CCF enemy the waters which the software the horses are peoples a multitude of nations and times so what we have here peoples multitudes nations and songs this represents the whole world who gives political support to the woman now what's interesting is in Revelation chapter sixteen remember how the River Euphrates was to ride up the great river Euphrates is dried up to prepare the way for the kings of the east of us during the time of asylum must play so here we see the woman is sitting upon the waters which represents multitudes nations tongues and chains and yet the great river Euphrates which also represents waters in a beach right up this is after the close appropriation and the very next verse says the ten horns which the sauce upon the beast these shall hate the board shall make her desolate and naked and shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire now what's interesting is the ten horns also represent the whole world which give power to the beast at the end of time and here they give power to the beast and then suddenly they hated before they make her desolate and naked he year flush and burn her with fire what happened this is the drying up of the river Euphrates and is also an example of history repeating itself if you remember on the table round it initially receive power from the Franks of the kingdom of France from Clovis five oh eight as it's in the beginning of a twelve hundred ninety years of Daniel twelve and so at the beginning of that time France initially gives power to the papacy that the ends in seventeen ninety eight he was at the gate of the WN to the papacy it with friends and then at the end of time papal Rome again as history repeats itself the whole world gives it its power and that takes it away the great river Euphrates dries up through its history repeating itself the members seventeen forgot us that in their hearts to fulfill his will if you agree and give the kingdom under the beast until the words of God shall be fulfilled of this is not saying that as far to be Santa may not use Babylon to take down Israel that doesn't mean that all about ones can be saved on verse eighteen the woman which thou thought is that great city which ran us over the kings of the years this is Babylon and so we see why Babylon received the seven last flights we see the whole world wonders after her she's driving with a blood of the saints and you may think world can I avoid being part of the Babylon in the end of time the answers found in Revelation chapter eighteen we'll study that next week I got the message and in the time just before Babylon receives the seven last plagues and the methods right life leaders of the glory of God there is no excuse for anybody to stay in Babylon for the seven months later when I got a few merciful the one that happened to study at night next week so thank you

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