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John Dysinger


John Dysinger

Bountiful Blessings Farm



  • January 25, 2017
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OK a time according to my watch. So we've got the pearly family coming up it's been wonderful. You know there's nothing or there's very few things of rewarding for old timers to see new people getting into this you know that's really our passion is to try to encourage other people to get into this so Lily a pearly came over and spent a little time on the farm on our farm her husband was too tied up with their farm but we tried to pump or full of all the information we could in the couple of days she was there but it's it's been fun to see them. Getting their feet wet in market gardening so you know the reason we do this is because for somebody who's just starting out you know to think Oh man. They've been doing it for eighteen years. You know what hope do we have but we want to try to share some some new growers and hopefully it can be encouraging to you. Glad to share a little bit of testimony with you all. We were just kind of greenhorns at this. We didn't really know a whole lot about gardening that much especially in Arkansas north central Arkansas where we went from Florida sand to lots of rocks and that was the primary crop there it seems like but we sure learned a lot and so I would I just want to just start at the beginning here and my wife will interject and and take over the microphone any time I give you permission. But if you want to share just a few slides from the very beginning it was kind of a humble beginning if you have never homesteader to anything. I challenge you to just get you. Feet were like brother John. So you know you don't have to know every single thing before you take that step. Just just step out in faith and God will lead and you'll be surprised what some of the things that he leads you through trials and victories and all kinds of things so. As our family. I'm Fred this is Lily and then and my boys there on the left. Matthew's the oldest This was taken by two thousand and seven we first landed on our property and then Reuben there bear shirted and my daughter. At the Lena She's a two year one year old. This is our campsite that we got on our property and we started from scratch it was just forest raw forestieri And we we camped out a few months there just living off the land and what we had there. I'm going to go through these rather quick because I want to kind of get into a little bit of new things that we're doing. Little or faithful or cook or chef here working on the hot summer there would like to add that when we moved to our forty acres in Arkansas. We did not have any water no electricity or water we got like one and a half year later and we live without electricity for three years as. Some we moved to the Rockies only I was all forest and we lived in the tent and of course the only way we cooked food is this way on the open fire and US Like hundred three degrees but you know is good because we have food. That's the way and don't don't feel like we're just you know really experienced in all of us in all that is it was a very difficult in fact we felt a little bit like maybe a lot in Lot's wife at times never felt that way. You know what am I doing. I would like to go back. Don't. Be ashamed if you feel that way and feel guilty about it because it's is it has gone through our heads a few times when it really gets tough with the Lord takes care of us and really a lot of it is just getting back to work and here. Our daughter is showing us how in the trenches there we we started just digging out some of the rocks and everything and of course all the kids are involved with it. That's kind of the raw piece that we started was all forest and so we had a guy come in and just bulldoze it down in a few hours and there we had then what comes up next is weeds right. But the way down there near the bottom. We had a little fortress to keep the deer out we soon learned about deer after that them eating all our crops and of course when you have a little harvest that first season it's always encouraging some of the things that we started off with just off the land a little bit of fencing in the few things that off the land like cedar tying it together make trellises and other other things. Just kind of use what you have it's not really expensive in the beginning. When you're starting off or it doesn't have to be. Some of the encouraging things they're the that they harvested are children the Black Berries and blueberries and is getting involved as a family that's the best thing you can do. Some of the vegetables that our children grew nothing like getting your kids involved with gardening and seeing their eyes and their taste buds getting aroused their off the things that they grew. Enjoying. And even learn a little bit about bugs in our sun as a photographer and Reuben Also they like going out there and taken pictures and here's an assassin bug taking care of a cucumber beetle. And we learned a little bit about what happens in the winter and protection and what vegetables to grow in. Cool seasons and what grass that's supposed to grow in the warm seasons and we learned all that coming here the conference and John and Pam here in their experience that really helped us a lot encourages this one on the right kind of after a storm there kind of a tour of our hero covers there and and but you see how spinach thrives quite well in just icy conditions cold conditions. And we got the idea that may we need a greenhouse you know my wife he she really wanted to start more plants and we felt that it would be good to build a little some on side of our or workshop or warehouse which is what we're livin in just a little eight hundred square foot place there and then the rest of us for tools. Off to the side there's a kitchen in inside that little greenhouse and we have a little wood cookstove that heats up the house the eight hundred square foot living quarters we open that window in the kitchen we put a fan. There it just sucks that he into the greenhouse and that's how we kind of made that warm in there and it keeps. We had it was negative about five degrees this this winter and it stayed about sixty or so sometimes forty depends on how you know how good the fire is going in the house but it kept the plants alive. And then we want to talk a little bit about a grant from we got received a grant we thought about putting a high tunnel in our area down there below where we live and we managed to get ahold of a young man who it was able to get a grant for us for a high tunnel and so we were excited about that. Tunnel with no heat in and no other words because we wanted to do some winter harvesting for C.S.A. we thought that would be a good thing and and our C.S.S. Curragh. It was a thirty he was going to give us about ten thousand. Dollars wouldn't of been a grant. So we applied with it. He walked us through it was very easy he asked a bunch of questions and we filled out some papers and that's what we got and we bought ours from Deerfield supply nice young man delivered it and my boys and I we devised a way to be able to put it up with built a tower on our trailer and just kind of pulled it down the line and and put up each truss there screwed it all together and it took a while but we worked together and before we even got it finished my wife was over there putting seeds in the ground. So we got had to work over her a little bit because the season. Was getting a little bit close to getting that stuff out before winter time because around November October of think it is right or no November tin. Plants just stop growing right. So we had it you know back up from there. You got to start planting before those plants kind of hibernate. And so we learned a little bit about that and she's put in some stuff in the ground and it's exciting to see this. Things come up and. And all your cool loving vegetables are growing there. Kale on the left really really good. Some of the onions and touch soil on the on the right kind of taste like celery a little bit really good taste. We like color. I think that's important in a C.S.A. and to provide a loss of color so we learn that and then we decide to take a break. We say we say well you know had this point. My wife was trying to get another job or. Was trying to do something to change and she wanted to stay at home. And maybe you want to continue about that little testimony of what happened. During that time because we're at a transition period from the winter C.S.A. to the farmer's market in the summer. There's a reason why we just kept going through planting year around. I guess is just a little story. And so once we came back from a dagger last year I felt that the Lord one of us to do this for a living. Well but it was very difficult for me to give up my job because I'm a dental hygienists it's a really good income I was always working part time so they always was dependable income so was a struggle in my heart to give it up because we're home school so I really needed to be home. So the more I read the more I got convicted that God wanted me to be home but it's very difficult to give it up you know this steady income to pay the bills. So I prayed to the Lord I agonized in prayer and one day I still did not I could not tell my manager that I'm going to quit so manager walked in and said I got to talk to you today. OK I'll talk to and so anyway I have to work. She said we are in your full time position. I said no I cannot work full time. You know my family's number one I mean that's so that the nice way is that OK then we're hiring somebody else so that he answered my prayer in that way. It was very unexpected it was heartbreaking on one point but now looking back that's the best thing ever happened. Now I Now we had to make really quick transition I made a call to the Basinger's family the like a mom and dad and then that then that all but you know we always asked to dance with Vice we were always trying to them like PM please. What should we do so. In this transition it was very difficult for our family because the gears had to be switched completely hundred to one hundred eighty degrees or had to just do completely different outcrops when the plant that yet to sell the farmer's market but we went ahead it was like today's decision we applied for farmer's market. It's a couple occasion we have to fill out pay three hundred fifty dollars for six months and just make a commitment to actually go every week to. Farmers Market. So is a big thing changing gears for a family because like I mentioned nothing was planted irrigation was not set up yet. We did not have room walking to keep our vegetable school. Nothing was really sad. So this year was very difficult. But you know it's amazing just looking back how God is faithful because the soil was not amended. The plot that you saw we're going to go back but down with a hoop house. We really did not even have time to make perfect for to Lety would just do the rocks out and just put the eggplant would just took the rocks and put tomatoes in there you know and God is so faithful I mean we had like abundant crop and really it cannot happen in the soil like what we have. God is always a blast and when we follow his plan. We went ahead and applied for that farmer's market and it was in Branson Missouri we had two markets we could choose from and that seemed to be the best is a small new market. So we decided that would be the best to grow with that market and and good thing because we didn't have that much to sell really we had just enough probably to to cover what we could sell each day. And here's some garlic Russian garlic just to show you some of the things that we grew for that market. Garlic in this particular variety really holds up well in the winter. In fact it's in the winter it's actually warm for this variety just keeps sprouting up and stands pretty good. And so there are some hang in there that we have just kind of we put it up front and decorate our stall there was it's kind of interesting draws people's attention a little bit there and some other vegetables we have usually have them for more full or basket loads but this took some pictures of their we like the color people are attracted to that. And we also try to offer certain niche groups of people the best vegetables in the market there are several people that were competing against We have those some Asian couples that grow kind of Asian vegetables and we've got one farmer there grows just conventional vegetables cucumber is in those things and so we kind of pick a little niche area and then also just the way that we grow and in the family oriented you know atmosphere our families grow and people are attracted to that and then not only just standing behind the. The market beginning out there in front of your table at the market just engaging the customers and helping them out they really appreciate all those things combined help minister to others. I think they're at the same time and create an atmosphere will you want talk about the bridge to some added value things. Because we did not have so much Vestals we really wanted to keep. Well I came up with I came up with this idea. Brad you know people like Brad I know there is a big controversy about gluten and stuff like that but people still eat bread so I went to direct market just as soon. We need more you know I think God gives us an idea and then the doors open just it was wide open. So I started making bread was started with garlic and olive bread that one. Well we had to give out samples people taste and they vied to do that some markets don't allow sampling and then I'm like oh you know was very health oriented the customers were very local organic pesticides stuff like that. So maybe I should make like seven grain bread. So I try. That you know opportunities are just out there so you can do whatever I said OK just try seven going to start selling now just like that. I never had bread coming hardly ever bread was coming back home with a. Yes because once people taste what you have they will come back again because they like the product they will. I mean we had people just buying two loaves because they put one the freeze in one. You know you immediately. So then I'm like OK so this door was open. Maybe you should try something else. What about going on why. Well we tried granola there is a picture of it. The director of market gave me some ideas how to package it because market you really have to be a close attention on the display. It's huge seller. If it's clean by Brother John so if it's clean. If it looks like we try we never sell anything with holes like kale with holes will never do that. Will it leave without cells make chips but for market will bring the best. So the same thing with granola because it's something that people consume it had to be clean packaged wealthy. I see you actually the top with Iran and so it all looks very professional and then we came up with idea. Well the very last one. What we have that's extremely popular we do have berries and berries organic berries are hard to grow because I refused to spray any berries is just me because the skin is so thin it absorbs all the spray. So because we have children as a spray them. So you cannot get really high dollar for your berries. So I went to the garden because we tried really. People don't want to pay what you ask our market we cannot as price as what you have in Nashville as small market. So I went to the garden as I was picking berries or Jesus give me please some ideas how we can market these berries so on the same day I had an idea to make a product out of berries and the Lord gave idea to make the very berry bar. That's I guess I. To call it and then make like a grand ol a bar and it's a crust and then we grind our own fresh fresh and sometimes I freeze the berries before the market and then we grind it was some sweetener input the crust on top. It's like fresh granola bar and fortune we don't have picture of it but I do have an i Pad If you want to see it so package it in the wrapping and in the beginning I was slow but once the people taste that. They start coming back in the mini many business people start buying at seven for the whole week and then next we were coming back to the buy and seven again. And so on. Now we had three Order people started to preorder those granola bars because people on the girl that want to just grab something even one man said hey is a good employee I'm kind of the reject a gluten I said Not really but next week I'm going to make it for you so sure enough I researched and made gluten free because it's much easier because people who are not allergic can eat gluten free products. So from now on it's always good and free product. So the Lord just blast us with all those products and now people actually call innocent text and they're saying when you're going to start selling your bread when you're going to start vegetables. You know they call innocent text and this is just amazing. Another thing I wanted to mention about. You know we started even selling in the very beginning because we didn't have much vessels was sold out tomato plants and lots of people bought it. We didn't ask high price but I told my children. Hey that's a great income for you. So they started growing in the back. You can. It was another picture. If you can see behind granola there is al a plant. Middle child. He loves to propagate plants and you know Al or it just grows sides shoes while he divides important parts and just south it he always. All's out of hand and it's quick way for children to make income for themselves and one more thing about children they said that it's tremendously help them with math because many schools so it's like we can sit with books and teach them and then we actually had to get them to the market and they had to do very quick math because when a customer gives you ten dollars and it's four dollars thirty two cents what you're going to give back. You have to do it right away in math mental math. So they say the tremendously helped them with math with customer service being polite being considerate of others. So I would encourage strongly to involve children. Who did not mention how much we made in the beginning our first market was about hundred dollars. I know after your numbers is like you know even hundred dollars. It was our money that we worked. But it's not so much money. It's. The connection with people they came and the look on their face when they buy it when they want what you grow. It's all worth it. It's just that satisfaction that the Lord gives us to serve others it's amazing. So our highest think almost three hundred per market but it's the first year. This market's been going so for us. You know we don't really live a very low income so far as it was OK You know but the experience and looking back I would say. I think Alan's last year he said just to do it just do it. There is no other way of learning because Brother John can tell everything about Nashville market. But it doesn't work necessarily in Branson because Branson people want completely different things. You know they're not so much into heirlooms we found out they just one standard green beans are just one standard thing for most part. So the only way to find out is to do it. And then that's how we learn. Now this year we definitely are going to grow what is good for people who want to one of the market pets or the garden pets we have there so we broke some ground some new ground in all different aspects including physically we farmed out a whole new section there it's kind of it. I don't have a tractor and we don't own any major tools we just work by hand. So everybody in the family helps out in little ways here and there and along the way it does produce trials. We've been through a lot but don't get to get discouraged and give up although that you will have that feeling every now and then there will be down times and I've been to situations where just you know we didn't have any water and we had to dig out to get water out of a lake a quarter mile away just to water our plants by hand for wood. We had lightning strike to the pump and we couldn't afford a new plant so you know I would begin to have second thoughts. You know Lord. You know you brought us here. Why is this happening to us. And you know I got real discouraged I remember it. I know the spot where I prayed right there in the tomato patch. Because my tomatoes were kind of surviving there and the only thing that I heard Lord was that you know praying for the right thing. Instead of praying for rain because of the drought the drought was hidden in the same time as like one hundred ten degrees and we didn't have water and he said you need to pray for more strength pray for my power to get you through this and depend on me. And so I said Lord if that's what you want. That's what I'm going to do and so I just kept on doing what I was doing except I felt that I needed to pray more and more every day for that particular power and Lord and he got us through that trials I'm not saying all of you are going to go through something like that. But you'll go through you will go through a trial or two maybe more years. Don't give up if you're in if you're new at this or even if you're older. Maybe you're going to have something but trust in Jesus through the whole process and at the same time you can you minister to people like at the farmer's market. You know they want to know your story that's how you get connected. You know what a lovely way to talk tell them about the lovely Jesus that you serve there and I've shaken a lot of hands of people that don't know that and this is your opportunity. You know some don't want anything about religion but you know they they know you you have something different than they do and they keep coming back for more. So it's a ministry. It's a learning experience. And like I always said before. Just keep going keep going forward. Don't give a. Lord will truly just add one more thing and there is a new series by David Obey Miller has probably going to presenting doing this a dagger but he. I listen to it on our diverse and he said that what is the best way to minister to people because we have all this evangelist experience. We ran to all these halls we tried to ask people to come for evangelistic series but here when we deliver vegetables to them become to us now. They asking us to speak in the church you know we actually gave gardening classes for the whole year twelve of them. People actually come they want to know that's the best way to minister to people when they are actually coming to us and asking those questions. You know we didn't know all the answers. But we just. Told them what we didn't know and that's a good way to learn too is to just step out and and talk about what your experiences are what you've learned and kind of a garden forum it's a good way to learn about all these things. And become familiar with gardening in your local or so there's different ways that you can get a group together and so. I think that you have any questions or anything we can might be able to answer them how we started or how we got into some of the things that we did. Where did I get there OK. The question was Where did we get the granola bar on the Amazon. Yes but you can search the internet just type you know I forgot exactly but I'll get back with you on that exact of the site there is another one that's a little bit less expensive but again another idea was to make chips you know we have excess of we just never implemented that but that's where there's a lady. Go ahead. That's a good question. Yeah in Arkansas. OK you should repeat the question. She had a question about an official government official that should come into your kitchen in make sure we're never certifiers probably what you're saying in Arkansas. There's a ruling that if it's a college cottage industry college industry a cottage industry industry. There's no regulations on the history of yourself whether it's for small farmers markets and that kind of thing. So that's what we qualify for. That's a good way they're trying to encourage people to begin businesses that way at home. Later on you know you will when you get bigger then you will do that. And like I said these are just value added products that kind of accentuate the festivals the main crops that you have. And you know they might branch off into something else you know if you have children or grandchildren they'll take it and run with it. Many of those ideas two thousand and sixteen and this year. Yeah yeah we had a really hustle was recommended a couple years in tomatoes as a winner. All the time people made us just cannot beat it in the lettuce tomatoes. So now we decided to in the House just put up right now that's what was still have early tomatoes right in there because that's the best if you can even if you don't want to do to have tomatoes even then just in a bucket by the House because that's easy to early you can even for the by the window but that's what people want in the market. We also tried to follow up with that we saw a lot of peppers bell peppers that were colored like. Varieties of colors of the purple ones really sold. I mean we just people would say I've never seen purple peppers before and they were just snap them up and we would sell little ones and big ones would we. Bunch him together and in different ways. Try to learn how do you sell these things and we found if we group sizes together work better than just mix in a mall in a big. You know big old basket or something like that so. You know things like that helped a little bit there was another question here. OK. Question how much it would charge for a loaf of bread. That's five dollars. Bagus five dollars is twelve ounces of tuna about to put in the beginning it wasn't but then yes seventy five dollars a week that was five guys it's a lot of Yannick to one lady. Yeah it's not. Will not have to repeat them. So how do we acquire the land in how how much will how much land. There's forty acres. Three three acres or probably three acres or probably the garden. If you want to call it that way just. But you know we've learned some terracing techniques on a hill and in my opinion that no space is wasted. Even if you've got six inches of soil and then the rest of us flaky Lime Rock we just pull back the layers get it out of there and then just fill it with whatever we can get you know. So. So we have we right now farm just about an acre. Maybe total on our property and in how did we acquire it. It's a long story talk to me after. It was the Lord gave us that peace there even though it's not perfect peace but I think he had a purpose for us to be there. You know it's not farming land it's forced to the land and. He led us to other areas. So I feel that that was the purpose that he wanted us there and to meet people to have good neighbors and talk with them and share. You know the mystery. I think we're about done right. If you'd like to talk later will be will be over here in this booth your baker creek and will be have to answer any questions. So they actually live right. Pretty close to Baker creek right. So if you're ever going to Baker creek for any of their festivals or anything. Look them up and. It's that encouraging to hear from people starting out you don't have to have lots of money you don't have to have all the equipment start we're at. I appreciate that. Just do it. And in the Lord will bless your efforts. Yeah and you know when we started going to farmer's markets one hundred dollars was kind of our goal. If we could hit one hundred dollars. We felt like we hadn't wasted our time. So you know. You start somewhere and learn and the Lord blesses But the other thing I just want to point out is the value added. That's big. You know because you can take now you know right now we got lots of carrots winter carrots are just amazing. I wish we could give you. We should have brought some Actually I didn't think about that but we've got about a quarter of our carrots have this care rust fly larva that is boring into them and keeping them from being first. So you know we're calling about a quarter of our carrots. So. Besides the horses and goats they get a lot of carrots. But we decided just recently I think one of our premises actually said hey let's just start making Let's start juicing em. You know it makes the winter carrots are so sweet. It's almost too sweet for me to drink. It's just amazing. So you know we were selling carrot juice to our customers. Ten dollars a court and you know so something that was a product that was going to waste. We're now actually earning more by selling carrot juice than we do by selling carrots. So you know that's that's just the idea. You know if this if it rains on your strawberry crop and they're just good and sweet and what you want to be selling fresh you know you make jam and you can make more you know theoretically if you're trying to just make lots of money you want to process your products. You know it's not just about money and that's of course it's always better more healthy if it's fresh. So we still sell most of our stuff fresh but having a way to process your extra you come back from market with stuff you know kale in to turn it into kale chips or something is just really good savvy business. OK you're getting a couple handouts I apologize I didn't have a stapler So one of them is three pages the resource one is three pages. And then. Yeah we may not have made quite enough we made twenty five copies of that. So no more than one per family. If you don't get one will will make a few more copies. But that three page resource one in my mind that's that's all the best resources that I know of and I'm nuts. You know there's a lot more out there when it comes to catalogs and stuff. There's a lot of good companies out there. OK apparently we were we were quite short on the resource ones so we'll make more copies. We have a booth over in that corner there. So yeah we've got some strawberry jam. But if you didn't get one. We'll make sure you get one because in my mind that's the most important thing you can get from this there's some amazing internet resources great books I had to do a lot of updating because there's all kinds of new books coming out one I put on there. That's not even published yet but I know what's going to be good. What's it called D.C. and on there and you Mefford what is a greenhouse and who PAOs growers handbook. That's going to be really good. I've I've read a lot of his stuff but he takes the top eight moneymaking crops to grow in a hoop house and goes through a lot of detail on how to grow them and I think I listed a crops you know tomatoes peppers Q. Cumbers eggplant Micra greens baby lettuce or baby greens. What else would I miss her. OK So that's going to be really good. Some great resources out there and again I think it goes without saying that these are almost exclusively not coming from a Christian viewpoint. So understand that we're recommending ideas and techniques but we're not saying we agree with everything they may say in there. You know we need more Christian resources. There's just not enough Christians out there doing this and that's this reality because it's an incredible opportunity and then the other hand out I I have more handouts that were supposed to be available for you to download I'll have to try to figure out why that wasn't working for some of you but a couple of people had been asking about specific varieties that we use you know there's so many different varieties out there so that one has some specific varieties that you know we're always trialing every year different you know we will grow to as re different kinds of green beans or whatever and just see and we kind of over time you start settling in. You know this is a really good one. Jade green beans in the fall believe a bull in others I've read it in catalogs they tend to go further into the fall we have incredible I mean literally they bear so heavy that we can't keep him picked I think what did you count. Forty beans on one plant in one picking. I mean it just unbelievable. So that's just a simple example there's a few that I saw on there. That's not totally up to date. I don't remember when I updated that but winter bore Kale is it's a hybrid. But it is so good as far as performance that I would. It's not on the list. You know it's not an organic hybrid which you know if you're certified organic that could be an issue but it's just a real winner when it comes to Kale curly kale and you know the reality is most people want curly kale they're stuck in a rut. You know even though there's other varieties that we think taste better but most people when they think kale they think Curly kale. OK So we've got time for some questions. You know I realize there's a lot. We didn't cover and that's why we're giving you these resources but we've got fifteen minutes I think right till we're officially ending. So we've got a question here and then here. The Euro. OK what's the standard red slice or honestly we're we're still. Fine tuning that but what what was our winner last year was big. Diena. It's a greenhouse tomato we grow our tomatoes in our who pals in the summer we we put shade cloth thirty percent shaker. On top because it gets pretty hot and we've got roll up sides. So we try to get as much circulation in there as possible but it keeps the moisture off you know the rain and everything so they go longer undercover. That's our experience. So we grow our tomatoes are peppers. Green House Q Cumbers all under covers through the summer. So. Yeah you know we we weren't It's big. Dana was not a knockout as far as flavor but one thing about growing tomatoes in a greenhouse at least in our part of the country leaf mold is a big problem. So we look for varieties that are leaf mold resistant that's really important for us which cuts out a lot of tomatoes. So I'll tell you one that really has worked well for us but it's not a standard red slice here but be orange. Be orange is is an orange but it's a really nice size and it. It's a very consistent yield are in a good flavor. So that's a real winner for us. That's an expense. That's a dollar or a seed kind of tomato. But it has done really well for us. OK question here. OK let's let's answer one of the time for audio verse of the question is how do you keep from depleting the soil. It's important to keep that in mind you know obviously the more intensive you're growing the more you're asking of the soil. And. You know the short answer is you want to be always putting more in than you're taking out. You know doing soil Tess adding minerals. Whatever you're missing. You know it basically the more intensive you're growing the more intensively you have to manage your soil. So I that's the short answer. You know there's two sessions going on right now on soil fertility. Yeah and the second question. OK So the question is you know there's there's every once in a while. There's e-coli break break out or and. How do we keep from that. Well you know the reality is the government is getting more and more involved and you know eventually they're going to squeeze us out of business. I think but hopefully that won't come until we're ready to head to the mountains anyway but. I think the Johnsons I talked about Brad and Judy Johnson they I think they're going to focus more on Summit like Gap. Maybe you've heard of gap certification good agricultural practices. That's kind of coming down the pipeline for bigger farms. They have to to do more compliant they're kind of letting the little guys off the hook for a while but eventually you know we know where but we just try to be careful. I guess that's the point and I don't think any of those outbreaks have ever been traced to a small farm. It's all industrialized farming and that's you know a whole different animal. So but you know you you you want to make sure. Whoever's harvesting washes their hands. Well and you know just basic hygiene. We try to be careful with that but yeah I think the government's maybe a little paranoid. OK. Two questions here animal manure is what do you do about animal new manures if you're certified organic there's very strict standards about how many days before harvest you can apply I mean new or in stuff. The best policy is just don't use fresh animal manure. You know number one I would encourage you. If you're going to use them in newer make sure you know where it's coming from because there's the whole Gee a mole thing and you know the factory farms I'm not sure you're going to want to use manure from them so I have no problem with using newer but ideally from animals that you know have been fed good stuff. So I think the simplest answer is just make sure it's composted first it's going to be better for your garden and you'll avoid any potential issues. Yes. Another question. OK The question is about irrigating from upon how do you keep the water source from becoming contaminated. We we don't fence around our pond. I don't know where the balance is with this you know I mean a lot of people I know big. Farms. I'm trying to remember where I was reading this. But you know if they find that a deer has wandered through the field. They have to track where that deer went and take out you know all the plants within a certain distance of where that deer traveled you know in case they use the bathroom in the field and so you know it's kind of in my mind going over the top. You know it's like we've had wild animals in our gardens for thousands of years you know what's happened all of a sudden but it comes back to the point that these e-coli things. From what I've read and I haven't done a lot of research on it but it is almost all coming from Manoora is from like a foe's you know confined animal feed lots and stuff where they're being fed. Stuff that they weren't designed to eat. You know cattle eating grain and so on. So I think we are creating a lot of the problems our selves by the way we're we're dealing with it and. So I don't want to pursue it all but I guess I would just say at this point we're just trying to be careful. But not paranoid. And I don't know that it's the best answer but that's where we are so you know we have deer that come down to our pond and but of course we wash our produce after you know it's irrigated on. OK question here. OK. That's a good question and hoop house isn't snow. She was saying she hasn't gotten one because you know she's heard you got to be home all the time. Because it could collapse and that is a. That is a potential hazard. Depending on where you live in the country. You know who pals will not handle three feet of snow. But I can tell you a gothic shape this kind of shape. Handles snow loads much better then than a Quantz shape. So that's one thing to keep in mind if you live in a part of the country where you get lots of snow. Obviously there are things you can do to beef it up you know putting trusses on every boat putting the bows closer together our bows are six foot apart where we live because we get very little snow Norse they're more standard usually four feet apart. So you can do a lot to make a beefier structure. But ultimately you know if you're going to have a huge snow you're probably going to need to somehow scrape that snow off. Now that's one thing that's one plus for a heated one. You know what they'll do if they've got heat is just turn the heat up and greenhouses aren't very well insulated so that he is going to be melting the snow off the hoop house. So I that answers maybe a little bit but you know I know other growers who if they're going away. You know you can just cut two by fours or something to the right lengths to to. Give some extra support to your bows. Steve has the answer for us. OK there's a plug for Deerfield that's a local local to us and there's catalogues in the back free catalogs Deerfield supplies. Steve was that do you have trusses on every bow. OK five per lens and trusses on every other bow in the bows or how far apart four feet or so. So there's a good testimony of beefy structure handling two feet of snow that's good. We've never had to feed this. Right. It definitely cools it down. It's not like it's going to make it really cool in there but you know it's cutting out the direct sunlight. So it definitely helps. Yeah you know tomatoes in course there's different varieties have different thresholds but they will not Paul in a inset fruit. If it gets too warm. So you know in and I I think for most tomatoes that's like ninety degrees or so. So you know. In fact. Yeah we don't have time to get into that but we've kind of modified our tomato season because of that in the middle of this. Summer they kind of just slow down. So we're actually now doing an early crop and then later crop in the hoop house and trying to keep them going all summer long. So yeah I don't know. I hope that answered the question. OK So the question is about somebody who has a full time job and is trying to get into market gardening part time. What would you focus on you know I will say it's a challenge to be a part time market gardener because you know as I think you got the idea of the Farmer's Market presentation and stuff. It's really important to have a sting and you know the more product you have the more you're going to get high. So if you're only growing two or three crops. You know you come to Farmer's Market. Now you know tomatoes are a good crop specially if you have them early or late but you know if you have a big pile of tomatoes in July and August. That doesn't necessarily mean you're going to sell them all because everybody else has them too so I think I would say in my opinion berries are a great thing for some. But he who's not full time has berries are very easy to sell and you know especially blueberries are pretty low maintenance. You know once you get them a stablished they kind of take care of themselves too to a large degree and then it's just a matter of harvesting you know everybody or almost everybody loves berries a lot of vegetables you know there's a lot of pickiness on but. That's kind of just a quick answer. You know I've often said if I were doing. Again I think I might do berries in the summer and greens and produce in the winter so I think that's a pretty good combination. But fortunately I'm starting this media was brought to you by audio first a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about you first if you would like to listen to more servants leave to visit W W W or.


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