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Soil: Major Anions, Continued

Whitmar McConnell


This class covers Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Sul- fur’s roles, requirements and sources. 


Whitmar McConnell

Owns and operates Golden Moment Farm in Means, KY



  • January 26, 2017
    9:30 AM
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I realized this morning that I had left. I set aside two classes to do two hours to do the the and I and. And we finished those with the last class. So what I decided to do this morning is to take a little interlude. And what we're going to do is we're going to look at so I'm going to share with some books with you this morning and just explain a little bit about what we're going to look at still tests and why they're important and what the things you should expect from a social test. But I want to. I want to do something first. I put this Bible verse up here. Most you are familiar with it to see first seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. I said something different to you. It represents exact same thing. What you think it was. Feed this oil. And let the soil feed the crop a lab raid on that and just second. But I think on here. And so are you here. There were no I forgot to put the reference in is Philippians to twenty one. My apologies. For all seek their own and not the things which are of Christ Jesus. I'm going to illustrate it. I'm going to illustrate a little bit with candidate this on the conundrum candidate this all. When I say that you need to feed the soil of the soul feed the crop too often we live our lives and we focus on the plane of attacks the things that are happening to us. You understand what I'm saying now that you can't do anything about anything about the things that have already happened to you can you. You can only do something about the things that are going to happen right. And so where we need to focus is we need to focus where the cause is because in the soil the parable of the Sower points that out. And when that verse says the kingdom of heaven. What is saying is and everything else to be added. Address the cause address the cause and the you correct the cause. The effects will take care of themselves. Now one of the things we have to realize we live in a world where we're not the only ones contributing to the effects. And so as Christians it's really important for us to understanding that the things that impact our lives. We're going to talk about this when we get to the environmental influences class but the things that impact our lives we don't have complete control over what do we have control over ourselves and you're going to see when we talk about that you can't that that the way to overcome those environmental influences that one to separate yourselves from and to the extent you can know that when when God says the separate He doesn't say isolate separation is not just a thing that is a distance and a physical level it's separation in your mind and in your heart from the things of the world but this soil will buffer the the impacts of the environment and that's that's why you feed the soil for as you deal with the character what that saying is you deal with the character first correct the character and the correct character will buffer and determine and control a lot of those impacts that you can control and what I mean by that is in gardening terms. Can you stop the wind from blowing weed seeds in your garden. I've been able to can you stop insects. From finding your garden. Can you find pollutants. Can you stop pollutants from in fact in your garden. Now the ones that you might overtly put on yourself you can obviously have some control over. But what about the ones that fall with the rain and blowing with the Wind one of the things I think that was going to be a class on how I think Johnson's done on how to choose. It land. Maybe number as going to look at land and what the factors are you should take into consideration Well one of the would be you might not want to be downwind from an industrial plant is producing some kind of pollute there was a there's a cement and there's a cement back here glass factory out in Colorado and we lived out there and downwind from it. Everything was dead up close to it because the manganese levels were so high coming out of that process. So you know the reality is that there is no such thing as clean soil anymore. There can only be clean hearts as are inept to kill a case that it yeah. But there there can be all kinds of things coming from upwind to you and you you want to try to separate yourself and there's a girl straight and separating yourself you don't want to get to be downwind. Or if your water supply is coming down from where they're dumping tons of tons of toxins and everything into the water that may be a problem for you. So you want to avoid as much as possible. This is what we normally do here. We all seek our own things which are and. Then we then we try to deal with the effects by fighting the effects symptoms is another term that you would put on it which is we try to fight the sentence and treat the symptoms rather than going to the cause of the problem eliminating it. I'm going to we're going to give you a illustration with Canada thistles and we'll talk more about these things when we go to the diseases and insects and we and what caused them things grow where they grow including in our own lives because of the conditions that exist there. And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if you don't go in your address the conditions. And find out what the conditions are that are causing it that the results that you're getting the effects you're getting. Going to get the same thing over and over a state that I used to live in. Declared that they were going to eliminate they were going to eradicate candidate there and then you've had problems with candidate this. CANDIDATE You know I can of the thistle grows. It's able to it's able to mine calcium when other plants can. And so they typically grow and they can get through tight soils and so they typically grow in a low calcium high protests in high magnesium environment you change the conditions and guess what happened. Let me give you an illustration the state. I used to live in which I will mention that declared they were going to eradicate candidate this off in this state. And they initiated a campaign and it was mandatory for everybody to spray. Herbicides to kill a candidate and a candidate this all died and they declared victory. Until springtime when you think happened in the spring the candidate this all came back. Why Do You Think You Can this all came back. Well that that's partly at that that they was cutting it was coming back from the very same plants that. They had sprayed and kill they hadn't got to the root of the problem. I'll give you another illustration on this. There were two big branches This is another one from Australia there's a whole bunch of them that I like to try to pick on I really really think illustrated really well. They both had big problems with Canada. This all because we had to probably Canada. This all out in Colorado and once we change the conditions. Guess what happened. There were two big branches there were several thousand acre ranch is in Australia side by side the only thing that divided him was a fence line and one of those one of those ranchers decided to he had such a big problem with it. He learned about completely balance fertility and he decided that he was going to correct this soil. He was going to address the cause of the problem. And so he did that. And after after several years the can of that this all went away. This is what happens when you change the conditions for things that are happening there. Happening there for very specific reasons. And when you change the conditions those things will all be exhausted exhibiting themselves again anymore now that the other rancher on this other other side of the fence had the same problem but he didn't do that and he kept trying to kill him with herbicides and the part of that one. I want to point out he never did learn the lesson of this other ranchers right across the fence and I want to point out to you. Like I said before. All it was dividing them was a fence to Canada thistle so you could blow prolifically from that other branch and yet it never expressed itself after that after those conditions were changed. Now this other rancher out of the stories is a good illustration to the of their flanks we go to to try to fight sometimes there was a particular candidate has said what was right up by his house and he had this hard people cut it down it came back they cut it down again. It came back again they dug it up. And dug it down a couple feet and took out took it out it came back again they dug down so I was three or four feet per member of turf war he took it out it came back again. Finally dug it out again kerosene in the hole put a can over the top of it and guess what happened. Came back. If you things grow where the conditions are favorable they will for them to grow if you want righteousness to grow in your life you better put the conditions in place and as the mind of Christ and the will of God And when you put those things in place good things the fruit that's born there will be. Well be good and a lot of the problems that we fight the problem too much we fight this in the transgression too much and we don't address the cause of it and change that cause so and in terms of in terms of candidate this oh here. You can see this other man he just changed the conditions and it went away. Now I know a lot of people have a hard time believing that and I'm going to tell you one more things when we get to the insect and disease and we class that you're going to have a hard time believing but I've seen it with my own eyes and I've experienced it with my own with my own experience and issues. So there's on so when my. That's what I said when I said when I shared that we you witness in your going out not go out to witness this you can't help but witness and in reality we witness every time we go out. It's a matter where you are witnessing to you. Pouring weeds into people who are into people's lives. You bringing disease and pests and and everything to them and in the fruit that you're sharing with them because you're just if you've got those problems and you have and use all kinds of interventions to to deal with those problems when you pass it on to them they're going to have to do the same they're going to happen. They're going to have the deficiencies and the shortcomings of it all and it's going to inflict the same thing on them that you are dealing with yourself. But if you give them complete balance fertility and the fruit becomes from that when they consume their crew member I shared I had one customer a doctor very wealthy Dr Drew. Mercedes worth five hundred dollars pairs of shoes and thousand dollar suits and came out and asked if he could just walk barefoot and so in order but he did he would drive two and a half hours to a half hours one way to get the produce and you know I'm happy to have the business but I feel bad some has got to put that kind of effort out to to get the produce and everything and I said to my city. There's just you can't get anything any closer. I feel bad you have to drive all we are keeping his lawn chair out because hang out here. This is such a healthy environment and I just sit here and hang out. There's a Wal-Mart launch area drives a Mercedes. But what he said is it should be enlightening to you he said I don't know what you do different than everybody else but when we eat your food we feel better. We sleep better. We wake up in the morning optimistic. Looking forward to the day we get along better with each other. We're more hopeful. You know all of these positive qualities now we think that we have to evangelize by sharing a track with somebody and I'm not saying he should do that. I'm just saying. Adam The garden was Adam's education. It was Adam's occupation. It was his sustenance and it was his purpose and it doesn't matter which one of those it whether it's from physical nourishment that it that that message this morning. Well it ended on a hopeful know was so depressing to think that society that humanity has got to the place it's got to and I see it all around me I see young people all around me. They get no ambition no motivation all that it's no purpose they are having a purpose to just be passionate about or pursue and it's sad but those are the kind of. The facts change cause has on other people and so it doesn't matter how many there are how many people you think are out there they would set foot in a church today because of the Senate says I'm in the bad experiences in the hypocrisy and you could go on down less and less the million things are just not going to enter a church but the market farmer's market and if you can do that to them as that man shared with me if you can do that to somebody you know what else happens. He just wanted to hang out there. He just wanted to be around that atmosphere. He wanted to figure out what happens is people say wow. If you can do that to my life with food. What else do you know that you might want to share with me and guess what they're ready to listen to they're ready to listen to spiritual realities and I could share my life right. And it's the history and places that are really right. So I can compete. I would like the regular market. You know stores would come to my place and it was you had the best atmosphere and I got another right. Can you imagine one of my burdens is I would love to see whenever. Our academic institutions are one of our health institutions have a competent functional farm producing food when the food service truck backs up to that door you just lost your greatest advantage and and I would I just have a burden to see that that happens arc our young people that are going to those schools are suffering as a consequence of of malnourishment how can they have unless you're actually producing better nourishment you're just getting it out of that from somebody else or just getting whatever they're giving you would we. And I ask the question would you do that with your spiritual nourishment what we would you whatever anybody wanted to give you. Yeah many are doing that you're resorting to that but we would we wouldn't just take whatever anybody wanted to feed this spiritually and so we just kind of we kind of get confused when we get into this area and there's some reason why I think we do it but they take all classes to get in that so we. But anyway. Changing the conditions is is the objective here not. And so the other term I put it on is fostering life because what did Jesus say I came so that you might have life and you might have it more abundantly. So my approach is to foster life not to fight off death and people spend their time their time and energy fighting off with all the interventions they're just trying to put off the inevitable by themselves and by themselves sometimes by themselves that time but if you never change the conditions and actually start receiving nourishment the time buying intervention will eventually take care of you. So I just want to I want to emphasize why I'm saying feed the soil and let the soil feed the crop because you don't want to look at the effects. You're not going to get. Anywhere wrestling with the effects and that's why we're not getting anywhere in this area. Lots of people ask me How come we can't. Can we can't get a farm operation that's going in profitable and everything the wrong model. It's the wrong model and unfortunately you can have very sincere people and if they embrace the wrong model the model always has its way as a Carol says here you are and so you know when I say that and I say we're struggling with these different issues and everything. I'm not condemning the people that are involved in it because sometimes people just don't realize they're trying to employ a model that is not conducive with righteousness is not conducive with holiness is conducive with this function and deformity. And you're going to get what's put in and you can try to put it and you push it with sincerity push it was sincerity push it with good intentions and everything like that and what it was said about good intentions and this is the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So and that's what that's what God is trying to wake us up to that you can't do anything without me and what he's saying by that is not saying that you know I'm going to do it for you say it is my righteousness when I say that it's my truth. It's my character. It's the laws that are bad and after that character. They will provide life. It will be conducive to healing restoration. It's not some I'm a very pragmatic practical person and I don't like abstracts very well and all the stuff I need to know. OK what does that really mean when they were his the road. You know what does that actually look like when you've got to do something do something with it. So what I want to do is I want to I want to look at soil test now and I want to give you and I don't have any slides I have I'm going to we're going to pull. One of these up at the actual one and see if we can see the little bit better and I picked one that I don't think he'll mind that I'm using and this actually is blueberries and I'm going to go through. I want to show you how a lot of times we get advice from people who are supposed to know what's what and that in vices is not accurate because what they consider to be true is based on flawed information itself. And so they they don't know succumb. Or they haven't seen they haven't seen the alternatives to it or they choose not to see the alternatives to it because of pressures from their job or their brother support comes from you know you know the area all of that we all deal with those things and in life but it's a it's a. First I want to say on the social test or some things you should expect from the soil test because I invariably have people they'll they'll do this so test can see agone Perry labs which I'm going to put up my worksheet up here and then you can get my contact information off of that and you get work information off of that but they invariably it's about fifty dollars to have a so recommendation analysis done and a recommendation given to you and I recommend it. Well first off a soil analysis is only as good as a sample it was sent to them and so I always recommend to people. Be sure that you pull a good sample. If it's not representative of the conditions then the information you're going to get is not going to be helpful for example if you go out there with a rusty shovel to dig the soil what you think is going to throw off in a test IRA you're going to have really high iron levels. If you put it in a bag with the glue it's made with boron in it. What do you think it might throw all. So there are several hazards to actually getting a good sample to start with so you want to be and how that relates to us is we need to be honest with with the assessment they were were when we were measuring ourselves against the crisis our models are we being honest. There we skewing it with with things like that but that's the first thing is a sample has to be properly taken. So it is only as good as the sample is sent what you should expect from whatever lab you do and I know some labs are free. You said yours was free right. Some labs are free some labs are R twenty five dollars they'll get it back to you. Fast but for illustration I want users because this was a very there's a couple things I want to want to illustrate out of that that the sample he has and I don't want to pick on it doesn't matter who we got it from what matters is the information it was given to you. You should expect them to give you an analysis that's going to tell you what that still character is what the characters the characteristics that socialist and other words you should know what the cat on exchange capacity is it should be an accurate count on exchange capacity and when I put T.C.C. total exchange capacity up there you have to measure all four of the major cattle and to calculate that they can exchange capacity and remember I said that's just how big your bucket is this remembers how big the bucket is you have to fill the capacity that soil and so if they don't measure all four of those the Met to calculate out these to C.E.C. that the bucket size they tell you is going to be wrong and so when they go when you go to try to figure out calcium now. An easy I'm task him and sodium. Hydrogen is a cat I and it's not a made that major cat and it's not an alcohol McAdam that's pretty sharply Yeah yeah that's right. No because usually if they don't. The one they usually leave out is sodium because they don't think it's relative as a fertile of the element they don't think it's relative it actually is. But it's it is relative to know how big the bucket is so they usually sodium out but when they leave it out. They also don't measure it. If you had a measure of the actual quantity. There is a way of calculating it out and then you have to go back and I'll show you which one of the books you can actually learn how to do these calculations. There are some there are some flaws in the book I'm going to tell you about. But I'll talk about that when I when I do that because I don't give you the number either they don't measure how much sodium to actually there that day and a lot of times I'll put on like on his saw test they put on an estimated C E C. They just estimate it so that what that tells you is they didn't necessarily calculate it out. They didn't necessarily they were dealt out. Sometimes I put that on there because they didn't do sodium and so they just say it's an estimated C C Because they know that that is not an accurate C.C. and so you have to have all four of those to get an accurate measure of the bucket size. You don't have an accurate measure you don't you're never going to hit your target because your bucket's the wrong size is wrong. So you're going to you're using going to overshoot it with other somethings and undershoot it with other things as a consequence of that you will. That. How do you know what your bucket size they can exchange capacity is basically tell you how many charge sites you have in a cell and I'm just correlating that to are using and an additional illustration of what size bucket you need to fill with those materials but it's really just tell you how many charge sites colloidal charge sites you have in the soil and you can't get an accurate measure that if you don't measure all for the major cabinets so buckets understand this bucket might have well just use relative numbers one hundred charge sites this this all might have one hundred charge sites this oil might have a thousand. So you can you see a head take more to fill a thousand sites than it would sit to fill one hundred by the cabin exchange capacity number. They'll give you a number. What yours was like twenty six point something. So that they'll give you a number and it's going to range at twenty six point one is going to range anywhere from as low as one which is a person who's about died. To it can go all the way up to the typical ranges or air from the eight seven eights up into the twenty's. You can. There are cells a goalie up in the one hundred. If you have a satellite that the to the challenge with a high C. The benefit I mean to say the benefit first of a high C.C. soil is once it's balanced. It last for along the guys that live out in Iowa. They think to the kings of farmers that the only reason they're doing is goes or doing is because that's buffered them for so many years is enough money because of the high level of fertility that was there. And so you have a high C.C. like that and you get a ballast out. You can you can't do anything wrong. I would take credit for. If you're not doing the right things. The problem with it is it might be if it's out of balance it might be very expensive to straighten it out. And I'll illustrate why that is in a higher state let's just take it. I don't know what the number would want at the end but in a thirty C.C. soil. You might be required to have fifteen thousand pounds. Of calcium a couple thousand pounds of potassium say you're deficient. You need to be it's seven percent potassium for example three. Per acre. So you have seven thousand need seven thousand pounds. You're only a two percent that's going to be down you're going to be down around five hundred pounds. If you have to add fifteen hundred pounds of of potassium via potassium sulfate potassium sulfates running close to a thousand dollars a tonne cell. You can see how it might be expensive and there may be other obstacles like if you're calcium to really high your PH is over six and a half. You're not going to be able to build it and so it gets more complicated in can possibly get more expensive to but everything is just more it's just more of everything you've got that bigger bucket and so if it's if it's filled up to you don't really go to course it might be filled up with the wrong proportion of stuff. What you were asking about before is base out aeration in other words what percentage of that bucket as each of them is taken up by that bucket. That's the base that aeration measures is what percentages of the bucket is filled with with each of those things. So that's the downside that the upside to a lower C C. Is it doesn't take as much to correct it but it doesn't hold doesn't last as long as so you're managing it more often than the person has a higher C C Somewhere in the middle. I've been asked what's the ideal C C C Well you have this is this is one of the things you had to see you have there are ways of there are ways of increasing the C C But it's not they're not dramatic increases. So it. You kind of have that level of that size bucket or the the C.C.D. you have so you have to work with that but I've been asked. Well what's the ideal C.C. said well if you could have something that's in twelve twelve to fifteen range something there. So it's it's a big enough pocket that it's going to hold an adequate amount of material but it's not so big that it's going to take a ton of resources to try to get it straight now. So but after saying that you have what you have I know growers with a c c one hundred. And they're going to be working a long time the industry. The biggest challenges you have with those soils those high seas tend to have imbalances and so getting their balance and you. You always address so I don't if I don't mention it any other time you always address the deficiencies first and then why is it. If the deficiencies correcting the deficiencies don't correct the the imbalance in the excess then then you start addressing then you can do it. Both at the same time but you have to prioritize what you're going to do and you do you always do the deficiencies first and bring them up. One element I said we did we talked about yesterday sulfur sulfur makes such a dramatic change any one element does calcium and magnesium to getting that straight now and getting to that souls ability to breathe. So we're talking about this last night last night. On the Ellen White method of tree planting when they put it they used to use a clay tile in the bottom of the hole but they put a car get it you know clipped classic car get a pipe of the rocks on either end and what's as designed to do is create a long effect and gravitate gravity. Actually that soil actually breeze in and out water actually moves up and down that's what you want to capillarity and good and so that if allows that this sort of breeze so the air comes up fresh air goes in the air comes up fresh air goes in and Suki keep replenishing a good. More effectively a fresh supply of fresh air and so on things grow a whole lot better with that and if you've seen any lentil X. pictures of the difference between how one tree grows compared to another and it's kind of conditions it's dramatic. So now it goes sideways in the bottom and then the way the way you create the conditions in that it's enough for Aussie there so and if you can get that established then it'll kind of maintain itself. We didn't I should point out. We didn't really get into tillage as much as I'd planned on getting in the tillage but I was worried that I was going to make it through in those two hours. But when you're when you're telling telling us just trying to open a saw a lot. So it can breed. That's what you do tell it or not you do it too because you're working residues in or whatever to get it and get a good seed bed but you need to ask yourself the question why you're doing the tillage What is your objective you're not going out just to exercise your B.C.'s you or your tractor. It doesn't need exercise. You need to have a very specific reason for why you don't and people asked me about this bear prosecute about plowing often in plowing deep the is something assumptions are always main based on are are familiar what we're accustomed to are used to thinking and so everybody else all automatically assumes that that has to be done with iron that you have to have a plow or a tiller or something to do that you can deal with alfalfa roots. You can do with Telstra tillage radish Tiller radish and there are several ways you can actually work. The soil deep and once you get good prosody in the soil. Then you let the roots do all the working and the microbes do it and once you get those those pathways in the soil where air and water can move. You don't want to damage them. And so you may only work to ground the top few inches Denk or freight fertility elements or to prepare seed bed and you. Leave the rest of it alone because you've got it in a good condition. If you don't and you need to. You need to work he need to work. I was young. Martine forty A Some of you may have heard about his through his farm up and come back to Canada. One of the things he said I went to a presentation he said when you start out. You've got to till till till work that ground until you get it where it needs it now it's if that's the star bins and you're doing some part you don't some damage doing that we don't like our hearts plow. It's painful but in order to get where you need to be you may have to do that but once you arrive there. There are better methods to maintain that structure and then. Constantly disturbing it. Now there's other if you want to work it deeper. There are tools that are more effective in doing that we don't completely disturb the whole profile like the key line plough the yeoman's key line plow out of Australia. It's a very well engineered piece of equipment because what it does is it goes down in the ground. It doesn't rip it and tear it all up. It just lifts and drops. It's a subsoil or but it's not like the sub Solar's most of the sub sellers are kind of brutish they just rip their way through the soil this this is designed to just lift and drop and what it does is it fractures the soil so that moisture can get in there and freezing in the thawing and microbes and roots can get through it and they open it up without flipping all your layers of so oil and and doing a lot of damage to it and you and you can you can avoid doing a lot of damage to that mid zone year so if you want to get a deeper working with that type of have a claim and the other Another tool you can use is a broad fork. It's really good for you great exercise will save you a Jim Jim fee. Working abroad for you can work before I actually have broad fork made for me that goes down fifteen inches. Don't try that until you've got it actually work down about ten or twelve. No I had a local guy a local welder make one for me. I've never broken a broad Ford by the way because there's there's a technique using a knife. I've loaned him out every one of my broad porches been broken by somebody there. And that have mri Well that or something. And so anyway that's that's that little just that that the fundamentals of tillage is that it's not always iron in the term when he says plow off and plow deep doesn't S. I mean continue that perpetually if you get if you get to a place where that's no longer necessary. Then there's you've created this you've conditions this heart softened it doesn't need to keep plowing it. It's the condition is changing so you might like I said there's different zones in the soil and what you need to do. There may be times you need to take the whole thing out and started over again because you didn't get something the way they need to be so but you always have the option to plants and microbes and all that kind of stuff do all those things doing that work for you. The key is that it gets done well so just think what is what why when that statement is made. What is the what is the purpose what's the objective of what's been done and what are the methods if that can be accomplished because metal is not always the best way to best way to do that. Mentally. OK back to the soil test rows and so test you need to like I said you need to have that they need to be able to tell you an accuracy see if they don't if they don't measure all four of those cat eyes you're not going to have an accuracy C. So if you're if you're going to use a different lab now like Logan labs This is pretty close to what Perry does they use the male at three. Which is a universal extract and it doesn't give us accurate in numbers. I don't believe. Based on all of you know all of the inquiry that I've done but they're probably the closest And so I don't even know I brought them up because they actually do run all four of them they give you a fairly accuracy C. and they run the same nutritional elements. I got I got a saw test from Thailand for a mission school over there. It was done by the university over there. And the two most leech of all elements Boron and sulfur were not even measured and it was the same thing that was the there weren't any which is the second thing you need to expect you need to know what is the target percentages you're shooting for and in particular the calcium and magnesium ratio What is it going to be in general it's going to be in what I believe is an accurate measure. It's not that the other measures from other labs are not accurate. It's just that the way they do their analytical and interpretive methods the number may come up as a different number like for example if sixty eight percent was Albrecht's number on most mainstream C.C.'s it might be a one of those out of lies it might be seventy two. I don't for a fact. I know that one lab is sixty four percent when it went over to sixty eight and other lab is seventy two and one of them is actually eighty percent. And so this is where people got themselves in trouble with it with the Albrecht method they pay you employ it with another lab they try to make those numbers match Albrecht's numbers and they're just way off. It is way off and it doesn't work and I say all of this doesn't work. So much hooey. Yes or you have another question. Or you destruction. So you need to know what that target number is anything anything from eight point six eight to one thousand point three four. It's going to be sixty eight twelve sixty eight percent calcium twelve percent magnesium when you get over when you get over one thousand point three four you bump it to sixty nine percent calcium you want a little more structure and you know a lot more flocculation and you drop magnesium to eleven. I remember I said that magnesium as a narrow range of availability so you can't really go below ten you go below ten to start having problems and anything once you start going down below eight point six eight when you get down into there into those numbers you start dropping calcium and raising magnesium in the reason you're doing that is because you've got to maintain you're trying to maintain a minimum of two hundred fifty pounds of magnesium avail. In the soy salable. And so you have to keep You've got started just in those two to maintain that when you get down to five point two one. Then you have Yeah yeah well no it's I don't think it's a number. Whether you write this down or not it. This would be for somebody who wanted to start actually working with everything and just kind of for illustration purposes you know get us all down. It's not a big deal. Once you go belly both five point two one then you're straight at sixty twenty that's the best you can do and at that point you're just trying to keep it from dropping below two hundred it just starts engine it's way down until you get to two hundred pounds a mag magnesium it at that point you have to go higher than eighty percent between the two and they always add up to eighty percent they should always add up to eighty percent when you get down below. It's four point two two I think it is then you have to start going above eighty percent and actually under some cases when you get down those lower So if you're over one hundred percent with calcium and magnesium to have enough there for adequate fertility for stuff to grow. It's a very fragile growing system and it takes a lot. It's a kind of the kind of person I say needs it. They really really close to Christ. They need it they need to know how dependent they are and other people can be a little bit a little more lax on it but if they've got that higher capacity in everything hazard there is when you're in balance a lot of talented people highly capable people but they're in balanced and. I know honestly of evangelists who beat their children home and their wife. I know personally and it doesn't matter who it is I'm just making the point that you can be highly capable but your life is not balanced and some bad things can be happening while some good things are happening. Well. So it's a need to know that on it. Ideals for potassium are between Ideally you want twenty five and seven and a half percent. I said you don't want to go over seven and a half because of the interference with Boron and then sodium optimal is one no more than three three percent. Yes. C C C C. And again that's affecting That's just how big the bucket is how much capacity you have. OK. There was another thing I want to want to point out if you don't use you on the cat ions like that when you go to the and just how many pounds and we talked about those yesterday. It's how many pounds you actually want to shoot for and if it's varies a little bit depending on the sea again because Tassie that soil is how much you want to have there but with the cattle and you must know what the C.E.C. is accurately. So the you know whether you have enough there. And so the next thing that they knew need to know is they need to be able to give you a desired value they need to give you a target number. What number should you have based on that see. You see and the saturation percentage that you want. They should be at you give you a target number and obviously give you the number that's found the value is found what you actually have and then you know the difference. And so then it's it's about finding the right to material to apply that. Now remember I calcium magnesium I told you that is a one to one relationship so sometimes you have to apply something even though you you looks like you have enough in order to not suppress it far enough that it's not going to be adequate to help but say you have that but then that then you know what the deficiency is or you know what this the excesses that you're going to have to contend with. If they can't give you that target number then all the other information they give you unless you just can accept whatever whatever they tell you to do. The problem is that even though a lot of people do these social analysis have cell tests done then the assumption is you're just going to put fertilizer on for the crop so they're just really using the sole test to see whether you really need apply. Anything or not or if you get you've got enough in the ground. You can get away with growing a crop again and not give anything back. So a lot of times they're not even really paying that close of attention to what this analysis actually tells them they're just going to go ahead recommend. What the crop needs tell him when you're grown and what the crop these are just going to tell you that anyway. All comes down to is OK Did you have enough foster standard AM enough has been there but I want to bring up an illustration this is I've seen as twice in the last month when the when you came in brought me or your test on your to your test is said that magnesium was very high right. He said magnesium very high the pounds on the task was two hundred fifty one two hundred fifty one. They're not giving them a target number but they just said it's very high. This is typical of Los Altos OTOH it's low medium high very high. And then I make recommendations on that. Now if you see you see a twenty six point one was correct. It says it's an estimated C.C. so I don't know if it's exactly right or not but if it was correct. I can take that C C I can multiply by two hundred forty which is the equivalent atomic weight of magnesium and then multiplied by the percentage that you would expect to have which would be twelve percent. And if I do that then he should have seven hundred fifty plus it was there and so on are fifty six pounds of magnesium there yes two hundred fifty one and they're saying is very high. The reason they said it was he's deficient. Actually if those numbers are accurate. He's deficient in in magnesium I had this case with a another grower in Kentucky just this past month. Where his his initial report came back and said it was very high but when you what's happening here is they're only looking at the palace they're not looking at the percentages first to determine how many pounds you should have they're not looking at how how many charge sides or how big the bucket is that you've got to fill. They're just looking at saying OK Remember I said that two hundred fifty pounds is what you want to maintain as a minimum. So he's got two hundred fifty there actually the way they do their their metrics and interpretation. They're saying that's very high. But in reality he used to have three times that amount of magnesium in there and if he were to not apply magnesium there I would venture to say that he would have probably he would have magnesium deficiency showing up on it on his plants and if it was calcium recommended until he was really high on calcium in that situation they wouldn't be an issue but I've seen other situations where the calcium is low and you have a situation like that and they'll say that's high school play on but what actually you know work he would do is in Tanzania anyway that this was their situation over out over there. They did it they were they told him what high calcium lime on but they didn't have enough magnesium there. They put that high. I told Jason I said Do not put that in they are able to put them on with it or you will drive a man using level down way below where it should be and you have all kinds of problems but they didn't take into consideration that one to one relationship and so it's really important that you have good information do you getting the idea that you have to have accurate information in order to make good decisions about what you what you're going to do or not do so these are just things you need to ask about is this Are these people going to give me this information if they'll give you that information I could tell you that probably following their recommendations would get you down the road the right way. I don't know that it would get you all the way down the road to where you want to be but it will start you down the right road. 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