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Ellen White vs. the World Wide Web

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Mark Howard

Director, Emmanuel Institute of Evangelism

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  • June 13, 2016
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Father in heaven we do thank you for this Kant meeting we thank you for another beautiful day we thank you for the privilege an opportunity we have a million you and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. And Father more than anything we want our hearts and our minds and our lives to be in harmony with our Lord Jesus. And Father we don't see so clearly sometimes so we thank you for the gift of inspiration we thank you for the prophets that give us an insight into what we would not otherwise see so that we can continue to follow the lamb wherever he goes I pray Lord this afternoon that the Spirit that inspired the prophets would illuminated our understanding so we can understand how we can best relate to the gift you've given in these last days and finish the work you've committed us committed to us as your followers we ask it in Jesus' name in them I talk a little bit about the testimonies for the church and I'll say this again in fact I told you how the complex of the age is serious and that's patriarchs and profits profits and kings desire of ages acts of the Apostles and great controversy that whole set it chronologically spans the Scriptures and beyond if you will into the Protestant Reformation and that kind of thing and those that those books in those particular books were written specifically for non Adventists and I know a lot of have been a stone understand that prior to that you had earlier versions of them and in those versions Ellen might talk freely about her visions and she use references to like I saw and I was shown and she specifically and intentionally took those references out so somebody who's unfamiliar with the gift of prophecy wouldn't be you know immediately put off by that so they could read and get that council and then there's a set of of books called testimonies for the church notice it's not against the church you ma'am. For the church and those are written especially dealing with very specific issues for you and mean as church members and the interesting thing is Ellen White also made a statement. At least one if not multiple but I'm thinking of one right now where she said that the testimonies ought to be read by every believe or by every Sabbath keeper I think I'm getting the words mixed up here. Sabbath keeping believer I think she said she said they ought to be in every Sabbath keepers library and be read over and over and then she says this let them be war now by being read by your neighbors. And so even with the test was the idea is you know no one knew that this is light that people who appreciate light will appreciate it and I used to pastor in cold water Michigan and that's where remnant publications is and during that time period they were doing they were in the midst of a project where they were having the testimonies element Cessna's put into audio format has it does anybody have those they're on audio they had hired a voice you know somebody to read that and in different roles they hired a non admin to slate to read those testimonies. Inside of the end of but before Book Number one was done she said this woman is inspired by God. I'm just telling it sometimes we worry about and we fight against things. I'm going to recycle you again what Warren Johns said legal counsel for the seventy having a church back in during the desert for crisis he said if a person wants to believe no proof is necessary but if a person doesn't want to believe no proof is possible and I've found that to be true sometimes we fight against things not because they're not clear but because they are and so we're talking this afternoon I want to touch on I want to touch on some of the Internet criticisms against Ellen White but a lot of those. Have to do with understanding how to read inspired writings and this does not only apply to Ellen White but also the Scripture a term a scripture I'm sorry a theological term for this is hermeneutics Have you heard that term before her mentor just is talking about interpreting that it's rules of interpretation when you're reading scripture I explain that a little further in a moment. Now how many of you were in Pastor Doug's presentation the other night when he gave his addiction talk and the ice cream thing OK now I want to ask you a question it could it could have been something else here can't mean picking on that I wasn't there maybe that's convenient for me but. Here's the thing how many of you know I don't want you to raise your hands for this one but I'm just wanting you to process how many of you when you heard that message left that message with a new resolve to say you know there are some things I need to deal with that prior to then you probably weren't even thinking about. The reason and you can ask yourself and I ask myself when I sent a message like that why wasn't I thinking about it before this message. You know there it is in the Bible or there it is in the Spirit of Prophecy counsel or both. Why was it that I was so comfortable. In a practice that really wasn't the best practice for me and I touched on this the other day and I want to emphasize it again especially for where we are in history today especially for Seventh Day Adventists that what too many of us do. Is we set the bar we set the standard at where our neighbor in the pew next to us is. And so the fact of the matter is in many of our practices we're just looking at the people around us and say well they do it and they do it and so. But when we hear it from the word the preacher brings it or something like that what's happening is it's pointing out an awakening or conch. And to where the real standard is not where my neighbor is. And I'm going to tell you that that is what the gift of prophecy does for us God knew the tendency in fact God knew in every age the Bible Jesus told His disciples be wearable leaven of the fairest seas which is hypocrisy. You remember that. Hypocrisy that is somebody says one thing and does another and Jesus told His disciples that's a leavening it spreads like eleven when you see somebody and tell me it's not true when you see somebody who says one thing but does another you tell me if you have a weakness in that area that it doesn't give you some excuse to say well he does it. Jesus said it's a leavening process cultural Christianity is one of the most dangerous places to be so much so there's one state and I wish I had on the screen element was writing counsel to some people in New Zealand the church in New Zealand the work in New Zealand as we're talking about and in that context he was talking about the low standard of piety in our churches and this is what she says in there she says there is a little hope in one direction and I'm quoting you can look this up there's a little quote in one direction keep our young men and women as far away from our institutions as possible so that they not be leavened by the low standard of piety in our institutions in other words they're going to see that the way we act when we compare with one another and they're going to think that's what Christianity is and for too many of us we not daily seeking to grow in the Lord so I just want to say when we're dealing with the gift of prophecy one of the greatest things about it is it helps us to stay on task with the Lord it keeps us regularly at the feet of Jesus at the foot of the craws and helps us ready to see our need not only see our need or want right some wonderful things about not just our need for Christ but the power of Christ to transform some of the most hopeful and encouraging and. Our full statements are in the Spirit of Prophecy writings to tell us what Jesus is going to do for us. I mean one of them I'm just coming out of our manual session during can't meaning and one of my favorite statements is in Christ object lessons it's on page three sixty three and Ellen White says this she says when we give ourselves wholly to Christ fully H O L L Y holy to Christ and in our work follow his directions he makes himself response a bowl. For our work or something like that and goes on to say he would not have us conjecture as to the success of our honest endeavors. Not one should we even think of failure. We are to cooperate with one who knows no failure. I praise God for statements like that sometimes we talk about the things that I want wrote is like oh wow she came down on this or that but it's only to lead us to Jesus but her right writings are full of those things that say but Jesus will lift you up higher than you could ever imagine being lifted he's able he's willing he's face full. Now I want to start out. Talking about some hermeneutic principles that when people don't understand them that it trips them up number one it trips them up trips obsessed us up personally in our reading of Ellen White and also trips other people up because they get the wrong idea about what she's saying you'll see that here in just a moment. I got to turn this thing on. OK There we go OK another word hermeneutics the word literally means to interpret it's rules talk about rules of interpretation it's actually drawing from the concept is drawing from second term of the two fifteen where Paul instructs Timothy and let's look at it I've just got the word the phrase rightly dividing there but I want you to see second Timothy two and verse fifteen and look at the Apostles counsel to get to young to Missy minister in training. Will start verse fourteen second Timothy two fourteen says remind them of these things charging them before the Lord not to strong live about words to no profit to the ruin of the hearers. As a whole sermon right there not to argue about words of no profit to the ruin of the year. And then he says be diligent to present yourself approved to God King James Version says study to show yourself approved. A worker who does not need to be was ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth now just lets take this from rightly dividing if you can rightly divide something what else can you do wrongly divided now with the apostles talking about is when you're presenting the word and studying the word Make sure you study it in a way that he rightly in divide or rightly interpret it make sure that you're communicating what it actually says so that you can be a workman who doesn't need to be ashamed because what happens if I present to you something in the Bible you like that's not what it says guess what I'm getting on my face now machine and I should be because I wasn't rightly dividing the Word of Truth so the concept in the phrase here has to do with making sure you're conveying whatever you're conveying in this case the Bible. Too to say what it actually says and let's step back one or two steps here and get clear on something now this is we talk about higher criticism yesterday for those who hear right and higher criticism goes so far is to say that in some of the inspiration encounters God may not have even spoken anything to the prophet was all subjective experience and it's all the prophets words we don't believe that Scripture doesn't teach that we believe that when the prophet wrote when Let's start with God When God gave the message God knew what he was talking about God actually had. A real purpose right when he told. Paul in this case what's right to Timothy when he told Isaiah what to write the Lord knew what he was communicating. And likewise through the process of inspiration Isaiah knew what was communicated and he had a purpose in saying what he said. You wouldn't go into his and say What did you write what do you mean there I don't know what I meant he wouldn't said that you would now Paul what do you mean when you gave this council I have no idea that wouldn't have happened so the point is the original author had a point in writing what they wrote and hermeneutics is the process that we use as Christians to come to an understanding of what they meant not what I want them to mean. Can I read the Bible sometimes to get out of it what I wanted to say Yeah and that's wrongly dividing the word of truth we're talking about rightly dividing the word of truth we're talking about understanding how to read it to get the real meaning that the author had intended in the phrase so that we don't take it out of context or that kind of thing and that's what we're going to be talking about in the context of the writings of Ellen right and that's what I just basically said I like this point Walter Benjamin who said all knowledge takes the form of interpretation can you make sure the monitors to go in there. And I talked about this the other day as well all human knowledge takes a form of interpretation I wasn't there when Paul wrote you weren't there when Paul wrote the critics weren't there when Paul wrote so we're all interpret what he said how can we be sure that we come to a right understanding we're going to apply rules of interpretation and there are a lot if you go to different hermeneutics classes you can get all different kinds of rules but I've I've witnessed down to four basic simple rules of interpretation that will help you come to a right understanding and I'm going to give you practical examples here in this now if I don't get to and I want to be clear about this right now if I don't get. A lot about Ellen White and the critics I've got a ton of stuff on the Internet you go in audio verse and I've done several presentations back and you I seize and other things and. I think they're a little easier to follow because I'm not using as many quote I'm going to use a lot of quotes in this presentation I think the format we have is better to do this you'll be able to see some of these differences in in Ellen whites writings and incidentally these are things that critics jump on as well you see what I mean in a minute but these are the four rules we're going to look at you've got to consider what's called the internal context of what you're reading you've got to consider the xterm context of what you're reading you've got to learn to differentiate between what's called policy and what's called principle and finally you've got to be willing to follow the truth now these applying these four basics will help you come to write understanding of inspired writing whether you're reading something in Scripture or you're reading in the writings of Ellen White let's talk about internal context first of all and we're going to go to this particular well follow along here on the screen. Ellen White said this is a fascinating statement she says I know that many men take the testimonies the Lord has given us to talk about her writing. And apply them as they suppose they should be applied. Picking out a sentence here and there taking it from its proper connection and we would say context now what happens if you take something out of its context. There's a potential of making a say something different so let's say we're having a conversation about which car to buy and I say well just kind of depends if you're into power you might want to get a Corvette if you're into if you want to be real good on fuel economy you might want to go for a Toyota Prius or something like that if you want something that has a law of room for good. S.U.V.s today get an old Buick right now let's just say in the in that conversation somebody steps in or pulls out something. And says yeah I heard Pastor Howard the other day and he said if you want to get a car the best car for you to get is an old Buick. Well not really want to said well kind of but in the context if you want this really big lots of room or whatever else so so do it first to do to just say that Pastor Howard said everybody needs to get an old Buick would be really not communicating is that communicating what I originally said was that my original intent you don't want to make an author say what the author wasn't saying and I'll tell you well I should say you shouldn't want to because there are a lot of Seventh Day Adventists that wish Ellen White said certain things and they try to make her say certain things that she didn't say and this is exactly what she's saying here taking out a sentence here and there taking it from proper context or connection or context and applying it according to their ideas. Thus poor souls become be will the heard one could they read in order all that has been given they would see the true application and would not become confused. Much that purports to be a message from Sister why it serves the purpose of misrepresenting SR Why making her testify in favor of things that are not in accordance with her mind and judgment. Is not an interesting statement. So even in her day she said there are people who take my writings and they use them the way they want to be used to make their point but their point wasn't my point or God's point. So we want to understand what the real point is not what we wanted that point to be internal context word definitions and that's what she was talking about there in a moment there is internal and external context internal context would be the a me. Phrase that a statement is found in a so for example when I talked about Buicks the internal context would be the very paragraph within that that that statement was founded where I was talking about the Prius's and the other things that would be internal It would be all of the grammatical phrases and structure it would be the way the phrases and words are used everything having to do with the statement itself as opposed to X. turn in context extra context would say this OK here's what I said about those those different things what is the setting I said it in what was a year I said it in what was the time and place I said it in what are some other things I've said related to that outside of that particular statement you get the difference when internal or external we're going to look at external minute in a flesh it out even more internal context one thing you have to understand is word definitions or definitions don't stay the same and when you're reading something that was written a hundred years ago one hundred fifty years ago and you don't understand this you might read a word and get the wrong idea from that word OK here's one example. Gay. Light hearted and carefree brightly colored showy brilliant as Indomie now are gay a pair oh. Is that the way we typically use the word today no. And if I am if I were to use the word gay today is there this way is there a chance I could be misunderstood Oh I thought you were saying in fact it could be a hate crime and everything else would mean I just said to dress up in bright clothing. Notice the statement from child guides page for twenty she says gay or expensive apparel is not becoming to those who profess to believe that we are living in the last day. If you misunderstand that you're going to misapply a sale and really got down on people that are homosexuals we have this bias and she was that and whatever else and because that's how we use the word today understand the word. Meanings change over time another one of my favorites is the word sanitarium. Hey you know what a sanitarium was an elevated stay. It was a health resort some of them greatest health resorts and Battle Creek sanitarium was one of them was well what's a sandwich and what most people think when they hear sanitarium today that's where it's a mental institution right and so you can understand a lot of people like yeah those avenues had all those sanatoriums then I get it right but that's that's that's changed over time so you can read these things now this is with anything that you read but you understand that and listen I've got to be careful here every one of us can jump to wrong conclusions I've read things in the Bible not read things from Ellen White and not knowing some of the maybe the broader whatever knowing the background or knowing the the word definition change or whatever else I've come to wrong conclusions we all do that sometimes so I think we have to be a little bit sympathetic to one another but we also have to understand not to I used to be more in fact about their certain one example one thing I've learned as a minister is it is not to be absolute about things you're not so sure about for example I did read a Christmas program in our church we had a we actually was in Christmas program it was a and epiphany thing that the different churches of our area the different non administers would come together and in January and do this big concert of Christian. Songs holiday song you know that kind of thing. Anyway I know I was asked it here all these not have as a come in our church and I was asked it was our church so they asked me to go ahead and give the message and it was just a short message but I made the statement that. In the New Testament the very first question this asked is where is he that is born King of the Jews. And I said Now isn't that interesting where is he the very first. It was asked and you know what the very first question was asked in the in the Old Testament was God asked Man where are you. You know what the problem is. That's not the very first question they'll test with a very good first question the Old Testament is God indeed say. You shall not surely die right but I got up and I mean this absolute statement like this is the very first now how do so one of the first questions we find in the Bible would've been OK and sometimes we get very absolute end point here is you don't want to try to be so absolute and something you're not totally sure about. And you want to understand that when you're studying a subject make sure you don't just take a piece here and study thoroughly study to show yourselves approved or you will end up being ashamed right and so the apostle says. Now there are other words I could say I could bring up but let's talk about the phrases and expressions and I'm bringing this up specifically because what I'm going to show you is one of the things you'll find on the Internet they'll say well I'm white for bayed psychology. Notice this statement eight hundred sixty one for knowledge E.-N. Mesmer ism are very much exulted they're good in their place but they are seized upon by Satan as his most powerful agents to deceive and destroy soul Satan uses these very things to destroy virtue and lay the foundation of spiritualism OK now that's a testament Volume one now eight hundred sixty one in one thousand nine hundred two there's a similar statement says this the sciences of phonology psychology and mesmerize them so she chose the word psychology and there have become I'm sorry have been the channel through which Satan has come more directly to this generation and wrought with that power which was to characterize his work in the cause of probation so you put those two together and here this is interesting to me how many of you know it for knowledge is. For knowledge is the science of studying the bumps and contours of the head to deter. When a person's intelligence. Will why Yeah yeah that's. OK mesmerizing with Mesmer ism hypnotism so we're reading Ellen White and she's saying they're good in their place. OK And so we say oh I don't know and this is so this is where we get things like this in the church today well Ellen what changed in your understanding over time and I just want to say something right now because this is something that circulates among us I've heard it all the way up into scholarship Oh my chain you know she grew in understanding that's what we say I'm going to argue every person grows in understanding but here's the implication she grew in her understanding therefore what she wrote earlier was not as reliable and incidentally most of her writing was in much of her writing was earlier so as a quick get that out another form of that is a claim that people make that after the eight hundred eighty General Conference Elder White became more Christ centered. And so then the understanding it could you know she wrote steps to Christ after that and everything else so the the mindset is that because of that stuff prior to eight hundred eighty eight was maybe a little more legal istic folks are going to tell you something if God sends a prophet with a legal list of messages we've got problems. Because it's error. And that's what people say so if they give us this idea we need I'm just going to tell you that stuff is blatantly false incidentally a book steps to Christ it was written after eight years was compiled from much of elements materials by herself that were written before the so you know that we have it in her own handwriting I'm not going to get into a lot of that. But remembered yesterday we talked about the two questions if you accept inspiration then you ask the faith question what does it mean. You don't open the other door but if you accept higher criticism. In any inspired writings then you don't ask a faith question ask the doubters question Is it true is it inspired and that's what people. Will do here if you leave that door you can look at this and say well that must not be inspired She must of it instead of saying. What does it mean because I'm going to tell you now the odd statements of Ellen White that the critics dig up are honestly few and far between the ones like this that you may scratch your head about are few and far between the ones that are very clear to you that they're biblical they're spiritual man dress your spiritual needs and won't go find these little things here but their answers to them so here's the statement in eight hundred sixty one and eight hundred sixty two eight hundred sixty two she throws psychology and they're good in their place because Satan uses them we can go with the Satan uses for knowledge in hypnotism here but then we get into psychology and this is what some have in us we do all psychology is evil Ellen White said this is from the devil Now notice what happens when we jump from eight hundred sixty two to eight hundred eighty four notice what Ellen White does here the sciences which treat of the human mind are very much exulted they are good in their place but they are seized upon by Satan as his powerful agents to deceive and destroy soul Let's go back there knowing him as risen we're going to places cetera they are so they are good in their place but they are seized upon by Satan you see this the same statement only instead of saying their knowledge in Mesmerism instead of using the sciences of psychology or for all the psychology mesmerism She says the sciences which treat of the human mind. What has happened is this in the eight hundred sixty S. that phrase for knowledge and mesmerism for knowledge the psychology of mesmerism was understood by people across the board to simply be talking about the sciences of the mind. But when it got into the eight hundred eighty S. Ellen White understood that if I say it that way people will think I'm categorically condemning all psychology and so she carefully use different wording because the phrase had. Changed over time. She doesn't bring mesmerism into that in fact you can read right but what I'm saying she asked What about mesmerism That's the whole point she wasn't endorsing mesmerism or condemning psychology she was making a blanket statement about mind science and saying it's good in its place but it can be used for wrong purposes but when she came down here she was more careful with the terms because the phrase was understood in the eight hundred sixty S. that way but it wasn't understood in the eight hundred eighty S. That way my point is that you and I can read something that's inspired but if the phrase is changed over time and we don't take that into account we're going to come to a wrong application. OK phrases taken out of their media context can convey a different meaning than intended notice this statement and this is one that appears on critics' websites Ellen White said I heard it and am in tism is back I've seen it work and haven't is I can't tell you how many avenues of talk to you know elderly have been a simpler because honestly outside of Michigan and maybe even in much of Michigan you don't hear a lot of Ellen White anymore and so but in the old days you did but this was a thing you would hear in this is a think people will you feel like you say Oh I sure hope I'm safe pastor. Or the person on the bed side you have the confidence that you have salvation in Jesus I sure hope so because they were taught. Those who accept the savior however sincere their conversion should never be talk to say or feel that they are saved. And the critics will say Aves can't ever have confidence in their salvation because they're not allowed to say it. Now I want to show the rest of the statement to you and I know if you read the rest of the chapter it's crystal clear but I think it's crystal clear when you just look at the rest of the statement we're just expanding the context little bit those who accept the savior however sincere their conversion should never be taught to say or feel that they are saved this is misleading everyone should be taught to cherish Oh. In faith but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that he accepts us we are not beyond the reach of temptation. OK now what she talking about is she talking about assurance of salvation or she talking about once saved always saved very clearly talking about once saved always saved now that's looking at the internal context and just looking a little bit further in the statement and we see that when the critic quotes that first part that's not he's quoting it in such a way that we get a different idea from what the author was trying to give us OK that's wrongly dividing the word true now I want to consider the extra context and why I actually see that come up again external context is once I've looked at words and phrases and I've looked at the the sentence before and after the paragraph before and after now I'm going to go external to that statement there may be circumstances that were taking place in the world at that time it what period of history was it written in what was the culture it was written in those things have to be taken into consideration in external context and I'll give you some examples here incidentally you're a member of the road to mass Jesus told those disciples who were slow heart to believe in all the prophets and spoken Yea be beast and. When I when I put that up there all the prophets spoken I haven't read every stitch of everything else has read what I have read a lot of it when I'm researching something and I see something that she's written here's the convenient thing that we have today Ellen why it's writings are searchable to anybody who wants to search them you can get online you can buy a CD-ROM for or very cheap if you want to put something on your computer you can get an app for free on your phone you can go online to the. State dot org And you can search the Writings so if you're looking for a topic and you read a statement you're like well not sure about this just type in the search term what are you looking on statements about salvation statements about assurance it was a typo search it. And the point I would make is. Do your diligence if your if you have questions about something to search it out I'm at seven am to say I don't believe no I want to well cause I read this thing over here or did you do some research on it well no. Like you saw one thing and you decide you're going to give it up because you're with somebody else said about it that how you treat your faith is that how solid Your faith is you just go at a whim no we need to study to show ourselves approved and so when you're looking into a subject you want understand more and I'll give you some examples here shortly. You want to include all or much of what you can get to about what his set been said on that same topic. Ellen White said it this way and first like a message just forty two it says the testimonies themselves will be the key that will explain the messages given as scripture is explained by scripture in other words she says if you're wrong about something I write in one place see what I have to say about it in another place and that might clear it up we'll see that it works now look now let's go external this is external context I looked at the Christ object lesson statement OK The critics say well you can't say you can't have confidence in your salvation Well wait a minute that was she saying I looked at the broader context of that immediate statement the internal context and I said no that doesn't appear to be what she's saying let me look outside of this statement to another statement she makes that might corroborate it and I come to desire of ages page eighty eight which was written before the christ object lesson statement Incidentally two years before and she says those who see Christ in his true character and receive him into the heart have present tense everlasting line. In Ellen White say we could have a sure that we have everlasting life no she's very clear two years before she wrote the Christ So what does that do help me to understand that that was not the point she was making in Christ object lesson I was pretty sure when I read the fuller context now I go external to other statements she richly wrote and I'm even more confident on what she really intended to say Are you following that. Are you following that. I know you're tired. Long We can't meaning OK to egg or not to egg Let's talk about this one for a minute. Eggs all this is a big debate in some circles do eat eggs do we not eating is what I want to say about eating eggs Well well I'm going to look at three statements here OK The first one says this egg should not be placed upon your table there an injury to your children and it's pretty straightforward don't do it right. So this next one. These are all independent different statements Different times different context while warnings have been given regarding the dangers of disease through butter and the evil of the free use of eggs by a small children yet we should not consider it a violation of principle to use eggs from hands that are well cared for and suitably Fed now I'm going to jump ahead a little bit by just saying we're going to look at policy in principle in a moment but principle. A policy is a rule a policy statement as a rule a principles the reason behind the rule you should always be asking yourself the reason behind something for example she mentions the dangers of the of disease through butter Well spells it out there what's the problem with butter Well it's got too much Bankwest are all right is that what she said I'm not saying that that's not an issue but I'm saying in the context of the statement I'm just wanting to convey what she is saying what is she saying the problem is with butter disease what didn't they have in these days something called pasteurisation Are you aware that OK now there are more think if there are there are other things that you know butter is sticks of butter OK but the point is don't don't try to make this statement say what it is saying is all I would say that you want to rightly divide so she talks about the dangers of that and then she talks about the evil of the free use of AIG Now I read that and so I kind of I want to know more about that and I would search different places which is what we're doing right here about using eggs to see but she says it's not. A violation of principle to use aches from hands that are well cared for and suitably Fed So the implication I'm getting even Here is a disease factor OK but let's let's go on in this statement Our domestic men know is that the same you know this is still the same one so it's not a violation of principle to use eggs from hands that are well cared for and suitably Fed eggs contain properties that are remedial agencies and counteracting certain poisons. Now I'm going to I'm going to share with you something I hate even sharing it I just don't like the sound of it but it's something I heard when I was in Alabama I did buy work in Alabama there was a guy who came by a minister who came to a local church and did this health seminar talked about her health message and Ellen White and this is what he told the people who came not just the administration I'm evidence what do you want to go eat an egg for Anyway it's nothing but a chickens period. I don't even like bringing it up but but my point is this he thinks he's teaching what Ellen White taught. She says there are good they have what is remedial what's what do we get from that remedy OK So anyway my point is this there are some people got to go Brother you're being faced like I wasn't being a faithful guy he was doing exactly what she said at the beginning he was turning people off to the gift God want to do in life and people with so don't take the councils and try to make them say what you want them to say let them say what they intended to say that's what hermeneutics is about it's going to be better for you and better for others here in this state now notice the difference the first statement said Don't need it this statement says Well eggs are good for small children is not a violation of principle and they actually contain remedial agencies now look at this next one. Put into your diet something you left out it is your duty to do this get what eggs of healthy fowls use these. Eggs cooked or all do not for a moment suppose that it will not be right to do this. Now or a little confused wait a minute what is it don't eat eggs sometimes eat eggs eat eggs. Now what you want to understand I'm explaining this you read these as you read through these statements and I had to do a little research and you would do research you'd find that each statements written to a different individual I don't know the exact situation of the first person she was writing to only there were health issues and it was not good for them to evade she says they shouldn't even be on your table I don't know that high cholesterol I don't know what was going on there but that particular individual the statement applied directly it was a letter written directly to an individual the second statement was a more general statement but it said you know gave the idea that it's not a violation of principle but you want to make sure your exit from the right place this particular statement was a statement was written to one of our doctors who went overseas in America he had adopted a what we call beacon diet he wasn't eating any animal products the problem is when he went overseas he didn't have the same foods available to him and he began to suffer from a B twelve deficiency and he was dying and that's why the urgency of the statement Ellen White knew that if you don't go out and get the B. twelve you're gone and you're lost to the Cause of God God has lost a missionary So she said don't even question me on this go get him go use them and he did I think it was Dr Chris and he went and he got the aid they use the eggs he has he regained his health and spent many more years in service as a faithful missionary So this is the benefit of up reading all the problems spoken take in the internal and the extreme of context and considering these things when you come to your conclusions. With their hand up on their. Own. You know if you look if you will if you read the statements carefully you'll draw out of the statement and there are more I could share more statements on that I don't need a lot of eggs and some of you don't need any eggs because let's face it the animal world that we're part of and she has statements to this effect is getting more and more disease ridden about another thing when it comes to health reform Ellen White makes a statement that the health reform is progressive. That means it isn't all at once and I've told my church members I'm not nearly as concerned with where you are in your health habits as with where you're going I mean if you just drop anchor and you're like I'm not changing anything you're not you're in and out in a safe place I like to see people who say I may not be the ideal but I am trying to do two to daily improve in all areas of my life. And them OK Oh we're going to talk about cheese Now this is another one where when I initially let me read a statement councils and I paid three sixteen butter is less harmful when eaten on cold bread then when used in cooking but as a rule it is better to dispense with it altogether cheese is still more objectionable it is wholly unfit food. Now when I first read this statement I had no knowledge of any other statement and I stopped eating cheese altogether I don't hardly every she's now I eat some some time I'll tell you we'll get into that I know some you think I just want to prostate but I want to I want to care I want to. Follow Follow me here but this statement you know is very pointed very clear Jesus more object is holy on fit for food now look at the next one. She is should never be introduced into the human stomach. Now. I was mean cheese and then I came across a statement like. This one. Some of said Sister White is cheese and therefore we are there. Which I talked about that being our cultural kind of thing she says have what I've tasted cheese once or twice Whoa whoa whoa whoa flag on this play she said holy I'm fit for food and how often should it enter the human stomach never know what. And I'm going to tell you something about Ellen White if you study Ellen White her life she wasn't a habit of violating her own principles and saying well I do it but you shouldn't follow me I knew that if she did something it wasn't against her counsel it was in harmony so I've I read this and I thought to myself How can this fit with these other very pointed statements she made and I did a little research and that's what I'm sharing with you I've tasted cheese once or twice but that's a different thing for making it an article of diet. Now here's another statement besides that when she says you have heard you know you have heard Brother White asked Mr Wallingford taste cheese now she wrote this to Lucretia can write D.M. can write you know the guy who end up leaving the church and this was his wife this stayed with the whites a number of times and Mrs can write her to her husband talking to the guy who delivered dairy and other products to the home and he evidently older white said he'd like or something a taste of genes in say he had it. Anyway you know you're great you're get this from a statement you said you heard rather white ask Mr Wallingford taste of cheese he had none. You bought him of you bought a few pounds you asked him one day if he wanted some cheesy said No OK So she's starting out the whole thing is she trying to justify this to say what they what was happening is they're saying the whites contradict themselves because this that the other but she's clarifying she says Look just because he said and you may have said this before you may have said if you were a seafood eater you might have said Man I'd love to have crab legs right now but you didn't eat it you understand I'm saying the words doesn't mean you just. That appears to be the best I can figure what Brother White did with James why did because he didn't have a cheesy offer to me didn't take any cheese. Now notice this next part you like this you asked me I said I did not eat it the cheese was lay where the cheese within the icebox the cheese was in the refrigerator no where did the cheese lay OK Now think about this with me no pasteurisation no refrigeration. Could that be a little bit of a problem yeah that could be a big problem the cheese lay in the cupboard untouched until Mr Ladley and walling came to dinner and then she says it was then placed before them we took a small bit of cheese Whoa there we are again never in a human stomach and yet. As we sometimes do when it is passed to us now what I'm telling you is when I read these things I knew I got to read a little more broadly I've got to figure this out the same thing with you we need to study to show ourselves approved I want to make sure when I'm conveying things I'm conveying the original intent of the author not my own idea. But she says we do not understand we do not understand by cheese or make a practice of eating so this was this communication Anyway this got my wheels turning and I came across this and counter. This is a letter from Willie White Now what happened is when that's book minister healing was written and the statement in MINISTER healing the says cheese is holy unfit for food. Came up in question when they were translating the book into German. Those that the German publishing house and evidently understood the intent the original intent of Ellen White that when she said cheese was wholly unfit for food she wasn't talking about all genes I'll show you that in a minute they evidently understood that because German people one of their staple foods is cheese and evidently it was the right kind of cheese so they. Wrote back to Willie White and said What do we do how would you recommend or how would your mother recommend we translate this so that we convey the right idea. And not the wrong idea. So he asked and this is what he wrote back I have given faithful study to the question you raised mother has read your letter and in harmony with her instruction I will suggest the following strong Chines is still more objectionable This leaves off the sentence it is wholly unfit for food and gives cheese a qualifying adjective in other words there was a certain kind of cheese that she was addressing in that statement. He goes on to say this if strong is not the term you use to designate the ordinary cheese of Commerce which is old and full of poison please designate by the proper term now I have been combining communication with the white est they don't know we don't know I don't know what exactly this ordinary cheese of commerce that was old and full of poison was except for we do understand there was no pasteurization we do understand there was no refrigeration the aging process was different but we do understand this she was not addressing all cheese but the stronger cheese or the harder cheeses or the longer aging cheeses incidentally does anybody know what the worst she's is or one of the worst cheeses see I was getting absolute again for for cholesterol and that kind of thing and I heard it up here parmesan cheese because it's it's grated and it sits for ever on the shelf and it oxidizes in the more surface area there is the more oxidization and Anyway sorry it's not real good for you but there's a differentiation or distinction here this taking place no notice this is what ended up that here is the end result he sends it will be why send this letter back to the publishing house and here that was the. And results minister healing three o two says cheese is still more objectionable it is wholly unfit for food but if you're reading it in the German edition it's a strong sharp she should not be. So the point there being as you begin to read broadly you start to understand that there may be some qualifications to certain things that you didn't know before. It's important to take into consideration the internal context it's important to take instant consideration the extra context let's talk about eggs for a minute what if I took that very first statement we looked at on a EXIST said you know what Ellen White says You all should mean a M.-I conveying the truth. No maybe to some of you but the point is I'm taking one statement and I'm making a point that she didn't make so I'm making the author say what the author really wasn't saying you follow that if I say take the last statement and say all of you better read a piece in my conveying the right thing no and so the point again being you want to study to show yourself approved and don't make a standard that wasn't made by the Lord when we do that we can cross more harm than good and I think that has been in part a reason why a lot of people don't want anything to do with the gift of prophecy now part of it we've already talked about is that it cuts across the way we like to do things so we already have that challenge we don't need to add to that by misinterpreting and misapply. Consider time and place statement Mellen right here says regarding the testimonies nothing is ignored nothing is cast aside but what time and place must be considered Here's an example if you look at that you know you can't make all that out all of you from where you are but let's just say that Ellen White sent testimonies to two different churches. And her goal God's goal was to bring them into a balanced view of the truth so they're not extreme on one side or the other now here's church a and church A is five miles from the goal. Church. She is only two miles from the goal so Ellen White since church a a five mile testimony to knock them forward into that balance their way off balance church B. is a little off balance so she says of the two mile testimony but somehow along the way the letters get switched. And what happens is church a ends up getting the church be testimony and should be give the church a testimony what's going to happen well Church a that needs church way that needed to be knocked forward five miles only got knocked for two miles and they still have three miles to go but church be went from being at one extreme knocked over to another extreme. Now when we take a testimony that was written for one situation or one individual or one person in one category and we apply that to the wrong person. That's what we're going to end up with. And an example that I heard a really funny example one of our. Theologians in the early well during L. might stay and died in the fifty's was a man by the name of Melandri isn't an interest and had not been an administration and Reus and came into the church and was. In the course of his ministry asked to teach and I think it was specific in college and is teaching was he had to teach and support Spirit of Prophecy you know when he came into the church and this happens with a number of people today they're like well I've see the Sabbath and everything else but I have questions about Ellen White that's where he was and now he had to teach Ellen White and in his day he had the benefit of saying you know what I don't I can't do this unless I get something squared away so he went to Ellen White's house and knocked on the door and. Willie didn't want to let him in. And somehow or the other he got communication to Ellen White. He said You tell her I'm down here and I need to talk to her and he just stayed there until she did and Ellen White invited him to come and stay there he stayed there for for two months to research he had questions about her writings were they really her writings he wrestled because he was a literature major and he couldn't understand what he read some of the beautiful statements that were made in books like desire of ages how a person with a third grade formal education could say those things. So she said come on and gave him access to the vaults of where they kept the writings he could go and see all the handwritten writings of Ellen White incidentally Ellen White always hand wrote her things she made sure her copy Yes and people would type things out have the best equipment but she never use a typewriter and I'm really glad for it today because we have. What she wrote in her own handwriting so we've got people they say all the churches tampered with her writings I've heard that before folks we have it in our own handwriting. And in her handwriting handwriting can be done again if I buy who it's from and what have you anyway so. He explained the way Long story short and as he's saying assisting there with Ellen White he's researching this thing anyway he tells he tells us test may have got the testimony and audio where he tells his experience and there's a lot of interesting things in it but one of the things he shares with his own experience when he was young he went out as a literature Vangelis I believe was literature Vangelis and he wanted to be real face full to the writings of Ellen White and in his idea of being faithful he was reading Council on Ellen White said about animal products and what have you so he stopped eating animal products and got to a point where he was eating nothing but granola and water. Yeah. And he tells this experience and it's really funny to she kind of is a little bit facetious in telling it but he says it was granola and water three times a day he said he tried to add some raisins once but his conscience smote him that he was being extravagant he went back to his role in water you know and he thought he was being faithful to counsel Well he said he came across a statement by Ellen White and she said to the person she was writing to you. You eat altogether too much. And he read that and he was convicted by and he said well I'm going to cut down to two times a day of granola water but he said when I went back to that statement it still said you eat altogether too much so I went back to one time a day. And he just goes to the experience and basically says that I have I finally came to realize before I died that that council was good counsel but it wasn't intended for me it was intended for somebody else. Now I talked about that there's a danger with us doing that sometimes when we want to put the Council on somebody else but sometimes it does apply to somebody else and when he told the story it was later in years he said it probably applies to me more today than it did back then but I understand that you know when you're reading and you're considering these things you've got to consider how the council applies and I there are times I read through the I told you I read that the testimonies in the church will be what Yeah that's interesting that's me and those people are a mess look at that there's me right and so you can kind of tell when it comes home to you but sometimes they apply some somewhere else and be careful not to misapply OK consider time and place study the surrounding circumstances. There was a period of time where there was discussion on having a kindergarten and some of the leaders in the church rose up and said No no no no no a spirit of prophecy is clear on this we should our kids should be home schooled until they're eight to ten years of age we're going to have a kindergarten Anyway they were fighting this and the word got back to Illinois and here's her response to it she said when I heard what the objections were that the children could not go to school till they were ten years old I wanted to tell you that there was not a Sabbath keeping school when the light was given to me. God wants us all to have common sense and he wants us to reason from common sense Circumstances alter conditions circumstances change the relation of things then she says if if guests of our institution see children who come there. Sharp by link side wandering about with nothing to do getting into mischief So here's what's happening some of the parents are like no no no I'm not putting my kid in the school because Sister White sister homeschool him and so home school was let him run wild and terrorize the sanitarium grounds and make all the non haven't his guests a Who are these young heathens running around this place OK this is what she's saying the kids are getting in all kinds of mischief that was not the intent of my writing she goes on to say that is. When these things happen it is painful to the senses of those that want to keep the reputation of the school therefore if there is a family that has not the capabilities of educating or discipline and nor discipline in government over their children the very best thing is to put them in some place where they will obey. And so here she addresses her own counsel in people's I will she said this and she says but you've got to consider WA when it was said we didn't have an avenue school at the time and it was said with the idea that the parents who homeschool would actually homeschool now I'm going to be honest with you as a seven am as pastor I've met families who home school their kids who at sixteen and seventeen didn't even know the months of the year. That's not on school folks so just so you understand that's what she's saying she said there's people claiming to follow her counsel and she says they're not following my counsel and what they're doing is they're putting a bad taste in the mouths of others when they say they are about the whole movement so time and place have to be considered. Differentiate between policy and principle. Policy according to the dictionary is an unerring unchanging rule of human conduct or behavior principle is the application of some eternal principle to a particular situation and as I said before policy as a rule a principles the reason behind the rule now the Bible speaks to us in policies and in principles there are some you know policies that state a rule but there are other things that are principle based where we have to get. A reason behind the rule and apply it or reapply it for example. Back in my early day I remember when I before I was a Christian I became a when I turned eighteen years old there was a bowling. Bowling Alley slash pool hole that my brother and I would always go to and before I was eighteen I was not allowed in the pool hall but it was funny to me because we would go in the bowling alley and there is this half wall there I come in the door and there's a half wall near some pool tables right here but I can't go on the other side of this wall until May teen there was a bar in there or there was anything but here I was and I could go over here but I couldn't go over here and I remember asking the lady one day at the counter I said how what gives with this thing why can't I go in there until I'm eighteen now I just turned eighteen so I was allowed over the wall and and so I asked about it and she said I'm not sure she said there are a lot of rules on the rule books that I don't understand she said we have one that says we have to have a horse watering trough every block. Really this is an Ohio. Ohioans know I'm Iowan on of. Born and bred so anyway ice I asked her about the she said this is now think about this for a minute horse watering trough every block why the less that's a policy what do you think the principles behind it why do you think they did that what was the reason behind that rule. Horses needed water especially when. It was hot summer and it was eight hundred the end. People were riding them right you were driving your car you were riding the horse a horse needs water OK now that makes sense though doesn't it it may not make sense today but it made sense then OK Is that a good principle the rule times have changed what was the principle a good principle sure was. So how might we reapply it now what I am I have every block or every so many blocks I have a gas station and so on so what is right and so the tendency sometimes is times do change and a room a change of policy may change but the principle behind it if it's a good principle should stay and it's up to us to identify good principles as Christians and if times change we don't throw the whole thing out. That's the old statement throwing out the baby with the bath water that's it means the bath water gets dirty so you throw the baby out with it so you keep the baby and get rid of the bathwater Well the the rule gets outdated get rid of it but keep the principle So you got to know the difference between the two so you can make application now look at the statement in education two sixteen and seventeen says if girls could learn to harness and drive a horse and to use the saw and the hammer as well as the rake in the hoe they would be better fitted to meet the emergencies of life. And. I'm also too much about that but let's do this. Well you know we could go on the flipside of that talk about men learning how to do some things do right OK What's the principle the principle stated here sometimes you gotta read the principle drop out of it right here what is the principle. To be better fitted to meet the emergencies of life is that a good rule OK now harness and drive a horse probably applies in some places of the world today the song the hammer the rake in the hope I'm totally over that one but let's take that harness and drive a horse what how might you apply that today learning to change a tire or at least how to call AAA or whatever you going to do somehow be fitted to meet the emergencies OK you don't want to throw the whole thing out but neither I could be like OK how many how many young ladies know how to harness and drive a horse. You apos state heathen people a spirit prophecy tells us that it does see and I could make this application but that would be a misapplication wouldn't it. Yeah let's not talk about that is that how many men know how to. Going on now this is a great when I'm so glad I've used this ever since I had a student in class when I was at arise teaching and I student asked me this question and it was a great question and I never looked at the statement the way I did after they asked but somebody asked me about this they said what about swimming on the Sabbath why is all might say it's wrong to swim in the south well I knew she said something about it let's look it up and we had the opportunity to look it up in class we did not want you to read the statement every working of Christ in Miracles was it well let's not do that first let's just read this because if you are on the internet learning about Ellen White this is what you get pleasure seeking ball playing swimming was not a necessity but a simple neglect of the sacred day sanctified by Jehovah and then said I know what she has all these hard rules well what she really is saying look at the broader context every working of Christ in Miracles was essential and was to reveal to the world that there was a great work to be done when on the Sabbath day for the relief of suffering humanity let's make it clear a great work to be done when on the Sabbath day for the relief of suffering humanity but the common work was not to be done pleasure seeking ball playing swimming was not a necessity but a sinful What what is a neglect. Is neglect doing something or not doing something Don't miss this Ellen White isn't trying to nail a ball playing and swimming Here's what she's saying if you're busy doing these things that are pleasurable for you it will automatically keep you neglecting the things that Christ modeled for us to do which was a work for suffering humanity in other words were robbing humanity of service that could be given them it's not about swimming per se it's about neglecting the work Jesus modeled because we're busy doing something else. Our youth. Knowing that. So the principle here behind this is we want to minister like Christ minister. And I know so I'm going to confess a little bit growing up Seventh Day Adventist and I know some of you experience this by well meaning and maybe you did it as parents well meaning but Sabbath I remember a lot of sadness where you go to church go home mom and dad take a nap and I say occupy yourself for a few hours but don't play ball go swim go right you know don't do this and we're going to sleep. And in doing so I really thought they were following counsel like this was that following the council now and I want to tell you something if you as parents want to teach your children and you are not swimming in ball playing because you as a family are out ministering to people your kids will never be scratching their heads and wonder why they can't swim on the Sabbath don't know why because you're busy doing something else and I'll tell you something else too we've had baptisms at the lake on the Sabbath and our kid and I our kids are in their full out swim and out there but they're get you know you can be a whole admin to think about how deep you go on the wired wire to the water come up to your shin or your knee and then you get the tall kids or you have an advantage because they go deeper out and. We get into this kind of thing about well how far you know our kids we would go out for a baptism and the kids would be out there in the water on the lake I'm not bothered with that you know why because the whole contact is context of that is where they're doing exactly what it says we're ministering humanity people getting baptized you understand the principle helps you to know why you're doing what you're doing and I said they're not fall outs women and they've got the beach ball and this and now but my point is if you look at the principle behind the policy it helps you to understand the reasons and better it helps your kids to understand the reasons as you're raising them up as to why certain things are done and when you understand the principle if. Begins to make more sense if I just is some categorical way you can't do this this and this should be like what why give but when you understand the reason behind it. Oh that makes sense doesn't it doesn't it make sense. The theater now you understand that when this paper was written there were no movie theaters this is not a statement about the movie theater right so I have this is a statement where I've got to take and draw from it what is being addressed here what's the principle behind it and how would I apply it today among the most dangerous resorts for pleasure is the theater instead of being a school for morality and virtue as is so often claimed is the very hot bed of immorality so this is interesting whatever was happening on the stage and I if I have more time I could tell you have done some research on this but it was pretty much what you see in the movies whatever's happening on the stage was claimed to be a school of morality and virtue so wasn't inherently real evil stuff it was it was at least pure enough that people could say it's a school of morality and virtue this habits and sinful propensities are strengthened and confirmed by these entertainments low songs lewd gestures expressions and attitudes depraved the imagination and debase the morals that's all real evil stuff I want to get beyond evil stuff for a minute I'll tell you what I mean every used to have big chili attend such exhibitions will be corrupted in principle. So all of those. There is no influence in our land more powerful to poison the imagination to destroy religious impressions and to blunt the relish for the tranquil pleasures and sober realities of life than the actual amusements What is that saying it says Regular this type of entertainment regularly is going to destroy your desire for spiritual things spiritual things will become boring reading the Bible boring devotional time listening to Pastor. Who. Right sitting here in this seminar today. Boring and I remember it I went through when I became a seven am is Christian and I switched over and it's interesting nobody ever sat down and gave me a study the Holy Spirit gave me a study and I knew my whole life was very immersed in entertainment and I knew I had a break from it and I remember switching from that I got rid of my T.V. set altogether and it was a period of time I'm glad it kind of went through this detox and then somebody gave me to actually want to T.V. with a built in V.C.R. was a perfect because now I was like I'm going to watch pastor Doug and that's what I did and I remember watching pastor Doug and it was painful and I like Pastor Doug but it just wasn't entertainment you understand I'm saying but the principles here could apply today what we do is we discount these things instead of looking at the principles and applying those principles and brothers and sisters we need these principles today more than we ever have well I'm not going to keep on going into interesting statement here but I want to finish up with number four. And I'm going to quote In fact I've got it on the screen here Jesus said John seven seventeen if anyone wills to do his will he shall know concerning the doctrine whether it is from God or whether I speak on my own authority if you are not willing to follow the truth you're not going to see the truth that's what that's what Jesus is saying it's not going to be clear to you it's going to be fuzzy pastor Cameron talked about that I think it was made in Sabbath Sunday one of his early presentations I think it was the first one he did about how the religious leaders if you know everything was and they knew everything and all of a sudden when Jesus said to the man. Yeah I love your neighbor as yourself. Who is my neighbor all of a sudden everything became blurry to him. When Jesus talked of nicotine is about conversion all of a sudden this wise man and I have to go back up in my mother's stomach. One of the single most important things you can do if you really want. To know the truth to say Lord when you show it to me I'll follow it I'm willing to follow it is inconvenient as it may be I'll follow it. Notice what Ellen White says here I've just got a couple more of these it seems was impossible for me to be understood by those who have had the light but have not walked in. What I say is reported in such a perverted light that it is new and strange to mean. I've heard some of that it is mixed with words spoken by men to sustain their own theories. Impossible to be understood by those who had the light but haven't walked in the light something else and then this one is the last one and I'll finish with this and I want you to really let this sink in. Ellen White and her role in her experience said this the more self is exalted the more will faith in the testimonies of the Spirit of God The lesson. He said that when people are downplaying my writings it's just because they're getting more and more full of self. They want their own way and so all of a sudden it's like well I don't know if that's inspired I don't know if that's inspired. Brothers and Sisters we've got to be honest with ourselves I'll finish with a story in a minute those who trust what hole in them selves will see less and less of God and the testimonies of the Spirit real quick I want to tell you a story about a man named Willard Saxby where would Saxby was a worker in Ohio he was at the Ohio can't meeting with his with you know his fellow workers and in those days well all through elements ministry one of the things she would do when she would give a testimony is rather than send it to the individual she oftentimes sent it to their pastor and then the pastor went and read it to the person. You know so pastor came to Brother Saxby and read him this testimony from Ellen White and as he's listening he said he remembers the elder saying now you believe in the testimonies don't you absolutely you believe that God has spoken this is a gift in the last year yes I do OK So I want to read it begins. Reading through and he became came to a certain point and Saxby tells a story he said wait a minute that's not true it's the number of the Saxby and the Saudis it is said the minister looked at me and he said very calmly No brother Saxby you say you believe the testimony is right why do but woke. If you believe the testimonies then except that it's so and you're going to see that it's so except that it's true you'll see that it's true but about I'm going to accept something as true and it's not true let me keep reading and he. Kept reading and something else came up and there were four points in all that he didn't agree with. But he said the one that he disagree with the most had to do with his relationship with his wife. And he just said Sister White is dead wrong on this then he asked the elder can I have a copy of The Testament and go home and look at it he said sure bring it back tomorrow we'll talk about it some more took it home it was late his wife said Honey I want to know what happened he said well I don't have is late I'll tell you more tomorrow but look you know basically got this testimony but I'll share with you this one point he was dead wrong on this and Sr was dead wrong on this and he says he tells his wife what this thing was this issue between her and him that he was so sure that he was right on and sister what was wrong he said I'll never forget it he said My wife sat straight up in bed pointed a finger at me and she said Willard that is true. You may have been there before gentleman. And he said I began to reason like this let's see the pastor because of his confidence in the spirit of prophecy says it's true well Sister Wife says it's true. My wife says it's true that's three against one. And he said as I began to reflect on it I began to actually see the truthfulness of. And when I began to see the truthfulness of it and accepted then God could make me a different kind of person brothers and sisters God wants to make us like Jesus and I want to be like Jesus he's given us this gift in these last days so we can be ready when Jesus comes so we can help others be ready when Jesus. What do you say how many of you want to say Thank You Lord For The Gift you've given Let's pray together Father in heaven we thank you so much for the gift of prophecy and father pray that your holy spirit will always help us to be open to your truth wherever we hear your truth from whether it be in the Bible whether it be in the Spirit of Prophecy inspired writings father sometimes our friend or loved one may share truths with us in our nature is resistant Lord we want to have humble hearts and teachable spirit. And we want to become more like Jesus so Father we ask you to do for us we can't you are for ourselves for we ask it all in the name of Jesus or his in. This media was brought to you by audio first a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse if you would like to listen to more sermons lead to visit W W W audio verse or.

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