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Poverty Cure: Powerful Principles to Help the Poor- Part 1

Dan Rachor

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  • June 12, 2016
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Father in heaven I thank you. That these dear people come here because they have an interest in. Being used you for the betterment of other people's lives and. We just submit this. Class to you we ask for your wisdom your lead in your guide. You pray these things in Jesus name Amen. All right so just so you know I want to be clear the name of this is poverty cure Now this is not to to enrich you for coming here so. You have what you had in mind. Here walk four miles to get here. There is no hour no other no free lunches here or anything like that but. Poverty cure I'm really. Very excited about this seminar I've been. Interested in this hobby for a long time ever since I went to Romania. Twenty five years ago but. The whole thing really reignited in my mind I don't know year and a half ago when I went to the Philippines and I've done a lot of study since then I guess there's two things that you should know about that one I really don't know what I'm talking about probably disappoint you. But that's not the big problem the big problem is sometimes i forget and I think I know what I'm talking about so that happens you'll be gracious to me who K.. That being said in all seriousness I have had the privilege to do a lot of. Studying and so much just like the Bible I guess the more you study the more you realize there's more to learn. And you want to say that some of what I say in the seminar will definitely cut across current practice and like that you may disagree with what I say that's great really it's a discussion. So long as we're not you don't throw tomatoes at me or something like that OK. So I'm going to just start here with a story as I say intend to do most of these sessions here. This. This is not the best these first several slides the other ones are going to be clear for you this is a little girl named Alina. Alina I met her in an orphanage in Romania as I mentioned twenty five years ago. She happy she's she was. Basically as a baby was abandoned by her mother into an orphanage in Bucharest. Where she stayed in tell us she was all about eight years old something like this and then her grandmother found her and. Took her. Into her home and. Kept it for several years until it was found out that she was HIV Alina it was pointed grandmother abandoned her. She was about twelve at that time or maybe ten at that time and so she was in another orphanage in a city called folks shonen Romania and that's where I met her and she was. One of the most incredible human beings really I ever met. This was really you know. We all kind of live in a bubble right I mean. When I first met this girl and we spent some time with her I mean I mean there was one hundred fifty or friends or friends there but she was among the more intelligent she spoke English well you know I remember her speaking English probably I had an interpreter but she was certainly an intelligent girl and I mean I just went home and I I just I mean I just cried for a long long time and their apartment there were I was staying in the pastor's apartment and. She had to be frank and I suspected that then and I. I think she was kind of the fund raiser for the orphanage because she was such an incredible young lady and and I think I think they showcased her a little bit that she was one of the one the first ones they introduced me to a rich American and. So the last time I saw Alina was in the hospital. The next time I came to Romania. The doctor who had become good friends with. Told me that she was gone she told me she told me was that she had been adopted by some wealthy people in England and I don't know if I ever believe that story I tend to believe she had died but that's what she told me maybe she was trying to be save me from bad you know her feelings or whatever I don't know but what I do know is that she was such an incredible I mean this girl was so positive and we had we had interpreted I mean we had got her Romanian Bible that she could read and so on and so forth and. She never heard the name of Jesus and tell we had met her there even though it is an orthodox country but. She was such an increase. Girl that in her absence was she was no longer there and this isn't like this is like two years after the dictator fell. And I mean it took a long time just to get. Permission to cross the street I mean a. Government was not exactly computerized it had time and but somehow through all the bureaucracy this girl was such an incredible positive. Beautiful young. AIDS girl that they actually named. That orphanage after her and through the bureaucracy and everything I say got new signs and. And so Alina made a very deep impression on my heart and so we dedicate this this session to Lena OK now. My theme today is it's called the mind for the pour in other words. We all here I think. Came here because we have a concern. For and I mean poverty stronger word than POR Battah. The basic theme today is it takes more than a heart it feels for them we must use our mind. Or talk a little bit about unintended consequences and I should say that although the principles that I share here will apply anywhere and everywhere. I think the first two sessions or so maybe anyway is a more of an international. Infosys although everything applies locally then as we go further and will be more local OK. So here's where we start and where everything starts the book of Genesis. And. And this is this is Central This is not I'm not swearing this because it's it's you know on a clever thing to do or I feel obligated to do it. This is a central theme that runs through all five of our sessions and that is that every human being is created in the image of God. And we'll see some practical applications to that today and as we go on through this similar created in the image of God. And that by the way just just a little bit of context here I think I have two slides to this effect. This is from a book called When Helping Hurts. Which by the way I have a bibliography. And I will hand it out. Sometime here today. Anyway nearly three billion people are living on less than two dollars a day. And over a billion of them dwell on desperate poverty so the author here doesn't seem to feel that less than two dollars a day is desperate poverty to get three billion on less than two dollars a day and a billion of them far worse off than that. And goes on to say they are starving in slums sold into slavery. Orphaned due to AIDS dying of preventable diseases some of them have faith in Jesus our Christian brothers and sisters. Others of them have never even HEARD of Jesus so they're without hope without God in this world. And. From the book ministry of healing. And said there that there are multitude struggling with poverty compelled to labor hard for small wages unable to secure about the barest assess an ease of life. Toil and deprivation with no hope of better things make their burden very heavy. And I think we're aware that. By just a little context here in the beginning and I am I. Going to a lot of information through this next five days and if you're really really interest in this topic I think there would be helpful information it's an introduction as I'm trying to help you understand what's going on in the. Poverty. Elite be ation world and of course the principles that apply to each one of us as we take our part of the Lord each one of us she goes on to say when pain and sickness are added. Which of course so often is the case. The burden is almost insupportable. Care worn and Oprah asked. They know not where to turn for relief. That is why their poverty. So just those who came in a little bit late. I do have a handout that has each one of these slides we didn't make quite enough but I'll make sure you get them tomorrow so you don't have to frantically write if you're doing that OK sorry I don't have them to take notes on but every slide I'll hand out tomorrow mostly got it today all right so. Mark Twain. He said it all generalisations are false including this one. Yeah he had a way with words and it's this is. Is true with us. The very first time I went to Romania. And I saw the drab. Dark grave you know old communist style apartments there. And the garbage overflowing and people in the garbage and stuff like that. I looked at that whole thing from you know my own upbringing. And I remember that evening later that evening I was at the pastor's apartment and some of the young people from the church had come over to visit there was one young lady who was maybe one of the last ones there and and. She says she's going to go home knows about midnight and I'm like oh or wait a minute you know they're not going to I mean are you going by yourself she was walking by you going by yourself. And well yeah yeah in on to me. The poverty there's something wrong or. No I'm sorry we ran out of handouts. And. I will make sure you get it tomorrow if you come tomorrow. Yeah you could call Shelley if you want to do that John. Here's your phone number here. Thank you. And. That's her phone number oh you don't have you have you have to take your hand Oh I. Haven't the slightest idea she's in charge of all the set up for all the similar I mean she's located in the basement of the old gem but her phone. Words on that sheet you have. OK. All right. So. I naturally assumed that because it was poor and that in that environment that there was a lot of crime outside that was just my assumption because that that is a generalization that I that unless that's the way I saw things while they explain to me she's going to be fine and then it she can walk home nobody's going to touch her no we're going to bother oh wow you know. So. We have our own thoughts about poverty what it is it was but it's a teeny bit of time here. Defining poverty. Actually what it is is the World Bank. Not too long ago they decided that there were going to listen to the voices of the poor as they themselves described. Abject poverty and they put it in a book and I have just a few samples here for us one from Moldova in Eastern Europe these are the people themselves speaking. For a poor person everything is terrible. Illness humiliation shame. We are cripples we are afraid of everything. We depend on everyone no one needs us. We are like garbage that everyone wants to get rid of. Someone have about eight of these statements here and I think you're going to notice that nobody mentions their level of income. They're talking about shame voiceless miss. These types of things. So it's important for us too. I understand. Because if our mind is that poverty is a lack of things we're going to make serious mistakes trying to help people because we're going to give them things and that's. In many cases is not going to be appropriate. Because it's a hope that's what create an image of God yes physically they need things food reform the and so on but there's of so much more to that and if well. As in this case when I don't have any food to bring my family I borrow mainly from neighbors and friends I feel ashamed to stand before my children when I have nothing to find or. OK. When I have nothing to help feed the family I am not well when I'm on employed it's terrible So we see this word shame popping up again. Ah one. Veteran forty years of inner city ministry. Wrote how that you know the and I'm not saying i'm not make my way I'm not making any rules or laws here in the summer are OK I may use certain examples everybody has to you know every situation is different so please understand I'm going to lay out principles I'm not saying that what you did is wrong or if I may say what I did wrong and to have been wrong but in this case he just shared how that you know A Christmas time they used to take gifts to these various you know the kids in these various families and after a while he noticed that you know the father was never around in the course. Also ahead generalisations about that and after a while he realized that at least in some cases that the father wasn't around because he felt shame at this time that these. Me for Scent of the that is why. People had to come in and provide gifts for his kids at Christmas time. So the kids were happy but it was not a good experience for the father might have been very much better to have met with a father and provided those gifts for that father assuming he's not on drugs and this and the other thing you know I mean this is a big picture and let him provide for his kids. So that's what we're talking about a mine for the poor OK that via during the past two years we have not celebrated any how days with others we cannot afford to invite anyone to our house and we feel uncomfortable visiting others I'll bring a present lack of contact means one DE pressed. Creates a constant feeling of on happiness and a sense of low self esteem again you see the whole person in fact we haven't yet heard anyone say anything about you know what my income is what my bills are they're talking about there or there be in. Uganda when one is poor she has no say in public she feels inferior she has no food so there is famine in her house no clothing and no progress in her family. So we can just hear the the sense of powerlessness the sense of. Hopelessness. Cameroon the poor have a feeling of powerlessness and an inability to make themselves heard. That experience says to some extent this is again. More than twenty years ago my wonderful wife Joanne and I we made the decision to. There was a young lady who was I think. While she was around eleven when I first met her in Romania she lived in one of the poorest. Areas of Romania one of the poorest villages in that area and they were the poorest house. In the whole in the village in the because of the father had a serious drinking problem but. And but she was a smart girl and in that particular village the. I mean as long as I went there which was over a period of years the windows were broken in a school they were in they never got fixed and the teachers had a high school education this was an elementary school you know grades one through eight and in Romania at that time when there were years since I've been there but at that time. At the end of days grade you took a test and if you didn't do well enough in the desert and go to high school that's meant that you were going to be a peasant. Which is what most of these kids in this village were I mean they were depended upon growing their own food they had no outside job well this girl. We decided to provide her a. There was a college girl a very nice college girl these both of these girls were some of the administers backgrounds and. So the caused her to go to college in this so we decided to team these two girls up and put them in an apartment in the city so that our girl could at least do eighth grade and maybe prepare for the test so she could go to. High school well it worked out she did well on her test but the meantime we decided that we're going to bring her to the west and she could have other advantages and a better education and so on and so I don't know I think and so in the hot summer sun we found us all we knew so we couldn't get in the United States so we decided we had a specific school in mind and in Canada which had a very good reputation and. So we decided to try to get her there and our plan was from there be fairly easy get her in the United States anyway you know we'd go to the. To the embassy the Canadian embassy there would be I mean the windows would be barred it was soldiers standing in front and you stand in line you have to get there five in the morning if you want to be you know expect to see anyone and we go there we present our papers and it's wasn't a Canadian we were saying this is a Romanian person we've seen at this window and she would say Oh oh well you need to bring such and such a paper. Well that OK And so we would go we'd go into the city and everything had to be interpreted and then in all by a certified interpreter and so on and and so then we'd We may not make it that probably wouldn't make it that day so we'd have to go back you know two and a half hours and we come back when you have our act together we come back we present our papers exactly what they said we needed and she say oh well you know why didn't you bring this you need this when this went on like seven times. Literally And I can remember standing there in the hot sun on a sidewalk there is these soldiers you know we had to get in this building this meant you know life for this girl and you know I felt to some small degree that sense of this being barred out no you know just eliminated. From opportunity. And yes. Barricades Yes. Yeah that's true that's true but I had a policy in Romania I didn't give I didn't give Well maybe once or twice it was really important but generally I did it was my policy I didn't even to the policeman But anyway. By the way just just there finally came one morning. We woke up again to two and half hours north of Bucharest and when the we woke up early and as we were getting ready to go it was becoming light and there was a rainbow and I told many well and the group that was traveling with us that today's a day you know. And it was we can she got her visa that day graduated from Andrews universe I mean when she went to the academy and graduate meanders University. And fact just to within the last few months you got her green card so she's been here. Ever since and up in a master's degree. All right so powerlessness OK. So we're looking at every person's made in the image of God and we have to look at the whole person we can't just. Here's a pile of money in fact most you know we don't generally get money period at least not in the United States here so. Your hunger is never satisfied your thirst is never quenched. Your you can never sleep until you are no longer tired I like that person could be a good writer you never sleep till you're no longer tired other words you don't sleep then and like can't pitch for the pastors. To how. We go to ten forty five is that your understanding or OK. All right in. Vietnam if you are hungry you will always be hungry if you are poor you will always be poor or. It's just total hopelessness. Doesn't have to be true it's that's her experience. These are the voices of the poor Absolutely. And. Probably it was she observed her old life it was true from her observations. Ecuador what determines poverty or wellbeing That's the question they were asking the indigenous people's destiny. Is to be poor again there's no hope there. And. Because in the last one China what one should lack is the sheep but one cannot live without is food. So. It's one thing to be hungry is not a good thing but there's a whole lot more than hunger that goes with. Pression. Hopelessness and so on. The whole person now let's you I have next here oh yes to remind ourselves where we're at here. These are every human being is created in the image of God. By nature by creation they have hopes they have desires right. They don't have opportunity it's sold many kids or they have very little opportunity. Very difficult opportunity. And. I will be referring back to Genesis quite a few times there's so much there that relates to poverty and proper principles as I understand them. Of trying to help the poor or OK. Here we go from the wonderful book ministry of healing notice this if my understanding my memory tells me that this book was published in one thousand nine hundred five K. here it says. So we're talking about a mind for the pour. Here says true beneficence means more than mere gifts. It means a genuine interest in the welfare of others here is a sentence we should seek to understand the needs of the poor and distressed and give them the help that will benefit them most notice here there's a almost a degree you know there's an Certainly a downgrading of gifts here not condemning that but she's not hold this paragraph doesn't hold gifts very high mere gifts as she calls it no we should seek to understand the need she may have met the true needs the true situation of the poor and distressed and to give them the help that will benefit them most as implication if I'm not reading into it is that mere gifts is certainly not. A long term basis what what is needed. And here she says to give thought and time and personal effort cost far more than merely to give money but is the truest charity so to give thought OK. All right. Notice Robert Lupton who I mentioned earlier who spent forty years working in Atlanta and the urban poverty work there knows what he wrote just within the last few years and his book charity detox. Sounds so much well like what was written in one thousand five it's amazing he wrote that charity that frees the poor from poverty requires a more thoughtful approach. One that isn't minutely much more complex and time consuming. And one that requires far more personal involvement in the lives of those we serve. The same themes. By this highly regarded worker and author. Robert Lupton. Saw. Michael Fairbanks who has been his life in helping. The poor around internationally and his book in the river they swim which is not in my biography didn't quite make it but it is a Orth reading. He has he wrote having a heart for the poor is easy. Having a mind for the poor is the challenge. Yeah. And. It's all. That's what we're talking about now that brings us to this when disaster relief rigs anything but relief OK. Just within the last month or so and I. Look for that this morning I thought I had printed it out but I didn't find it my pile of papers I printed out anyway on A.B.C.. Website. There was a story there about all this what I think was the what was the title when disaster relief presenting but relief in the has some stories there. For example one hundred. It's been quite a few years ago now but was it trying to remember it was a hurricane and to me anyway they had a major disaster there and the lady that was interviewed in the was very responsible in bringing relief and. And she told the story how the pilot of a plane that was bringing in medicine and things that they desperately needed said he couldn't he couldn't land on the runway because somebody had left bales of. Well just that boxes and bales were of. Covering the runway so this lady called you know her people were at the airport waiting to meet this plane and what is on the runway you know who put it there says I don't know she said but I can see some of the bales it is one of the bales I think she said. Has winter coats in it. OK you get that as a summertime and wonderous and. Some caring person and all these bales and boxes some of which at least contain winter coats. Which you know were totally unneeded and literally kept the plane that had the true relief from landing. Yeah so and the same article talked about more recently in Haiti how that. Some very kind hearted. American women. We would like to donate breast now to the Haitians. Yeah so. I mean there's. You know absolutely I mean is there was no refrigeration there was you know so anyway. A mine and so I'm going to show at this time. Let's see. I'm a show video clip. I don't know I might stop it if I don't stop it somewhere in the middle I think at the very long as can be about twenty minutes OK and it's the theme here again is a mine for the poor and really it's about unintended consequences OK. You know unless you get AIDS. Awareness among the American things and windy our history you want. They make great strides to raise awareness and get people involved in the world. You see that go to the source or to our nonprofits and yes we set trillions of dollars of the developing movement thousands of people to volunteer and dedicate their lives to working with who are. Some of these things done a lot of good for others. This brings us to another core focus series when there are good and desired things that actually work. Is work with. To increase awareness about the ones we need Youth Day even if it doesn't work. For this. But notice that his remark overlooks the possibility something that we too may actually cause harm to our good intentions may have unintended consequences and. Have my eyes open to this through friendship with Sean and John was a friend in Rwanda and he told me the story that after the Rwanda genocide that he had a church from Atlanta that started sending over eggs and ended up just distributing eggs in a small community outside of Cali and this seems like a great thing to do right the church wanted to help after the genocide but John now a few years before had started a small egg business some self and he put this investment in all the materials that he needed to start this egg business his business was starting to grow it was starting to take off and then all of a sudden in one summer there become a surplus of eggs that were flooding the market in his area and so this desire that the church had to really take care of a need it did take care of a need but the problem is that it could Johnno out of business he ended up selling. His hands and then the next year the church decided to focus its attention to somewhere else in the world John I was out of business no one else was there providing arms and so they had to bring eggs in from another community. So this desire to help in that community according to John now actually had a long term negative impact on our community. When I was growing up. We didn't have a second hand thing from Europe and the US and Canada in Kenya My mother took me to our store and she bought me a beautiful T. shirt that is the meaning of. Cotton. Today I would struggle to find a T. shirt like that for my daughter right because the influx of secondhand clothing that makes its way here from Europe and the U.S. and Canada. Has negative deeply impacted on our textile industry in Kenya. Marci playoffs in the eighty's and the ninety's. Factories that shuts down just. What had been to cotton farms. When I was growing up in this country. We could have. Been types that are in comparable but that's all gone because of the impact and negative impact. On imports but the second hundred. I recall very well when I first heard the news reports of the patient earthquake in the Republic of Haiti has been a massive earthquake entire neighborhoods of maybe's capital city of Port au Prince have been leveled and the country has declared a state of emergency as I was getting ready for the day my first emotion was I need to get on the plane go there and help. I suppose that's an admirable. Response to human tragedy but as the day wore on the night thought about it and heard more words I thought how unpractical I would be in the way I am I think it's a moral instinct that human the universe and share with other human beings me this is a recognition of ourselves in the other what I want someone to do for me if I was horrible situation but we need to take their emotion and maturity we need to take said impulse and systematized so that what we actually get what we really bring to the table isn't just a feeling isn't just a sentiment but is an action on behalf of those who are really any of us and that takes a lot more than emotions going to be a. Report for you to remember is that compassion is not simply vehement expression. Of a point of view. And. A compassionate person has to consider the practical effects of walking is proposing. You know the issue of giving it's a very difficult tension. We have been entrusted with a lot. And we want to be generous with that in fact Scripture tells us that we need to be generous. When our generosity gets in the way others becoming generous when our stewardship gets in the way of others becoming good stewards there in lies the problem I am Christian is have a natural commitment to fighting poverty that comes from the foundation of Christian belief and that motivation must be aligned with being smart. The world is complicated. And so the actions we take we must be confident. Going to help and all takes change but. I witnessed the unintended consequence security when I visit was in some walk a good day an entrepreneur whose company manufactures medical equipment for local hospitals and team and its fifteen employees are meeting local needs generating profits and using much of their income in the local economy it's how economies develop. But it seems faces an unlikely adversary so here it is in the form of free medical supplies that show up in the country unexpected times meaning that every so often he has to compete against free goods usually without warning. He says one day tell me that you know he also goes it does the IT DOESN'T IT WAS SO would be but he did a lot. Before they buy. It is it is a very big gent. It has this at least they said look. When we learn about the unintended consequences of charity it can be easy to get discouraged. When we realize how fast and urgent The problem is the natural reaction is to look to well funded initiatives of governments and international organizations like the United Nations or the World Bank One of the dominant ideas in the last century was that if we could just marshal past summer money for government a government or an agent we could jump start economies and begin the process of development in the last sixty years over two trillion dollars has been spent on foreign aid to get the results have been less than hoped for and even die hard and many in the developing world are beginning to question this model. When we come into a country and provide a whole load of aid unfortunately that led creates a real problem for local manufacturers and producers affects them in terms of the economics and sometimes we live with the legacy of these. You know unintended consequences. Lead to those delete the development of business and business because Kept us to go to college. Has been the predominant model you know over the past six years and data is increasing. Traction is showing us that forehand is not just solution. We need to know we are no longer excited by eight. From the one the banks pretty short you are misery by giving a loan to make you a slew of economics and you end up. Paying the much to do it because you like shamed by that loan. This would be after we subsidize your agricultural produce then we should but as it were for sure and we we disempower the doctrine for. You don't have any shoes that will find could be added to keep doing the same thing all. Over it wouldn't break it is old blue and gold. Whenever you haven't any disagreement. Those consultants come into the country. And they don't work for the country they work for the foreign head of the stablish And so it's to find they need to step aside severs the softer and link between the leader of a country and his people every time you do. You create that parental relationship I'm helping you. You should be guided by me because I have a bag of money. The responsibility for your future is actually on me no new because I have the resources to develop you. It's patron client it's master slave it's donor recipient it's all broken. I have never heard of a country that developed an eight if you know one just let me know I know about countries that developed on trade and innovation and business I don't know of any country that got so much hate in this suddenly became a first world country I never heard of such a country so the track is wrong with that crack and still nowhere Herman Hesse there is a classic entrepreneur he's been called by some of the Bill Gates of Africa he's working on software and technology solutions to connect local entrepreneurs directly with customers and markets throughout the world. History business like many others in the region is creating jobs and putting God on the road to prosperity itself Hong Kong the Asian tigers in Ireland developed and has he wants to see his native country do the same. Thing. To do manufacturing in Texas Tech University and I'm going back to that and. I intended to go into manufacturing forget that I didn't have any money. I was sitting around and realized hey wait a minute my computer out here was a factory you could make software and I've been doubling about your software and i told me I could turn this into my manufacturing business so I partnered up with an old school mate and. He started writing software and started selling door to door in the early days and tomorrow we bought a second computer we applied one person who we were programming out of my bedroom sitting on my bed and then we evolved from the group who are the people realize you. He's met with great success by developing what he calls tropically tolerant software programs that run well in places with frequent power outages but the story he tells is like that of many entrepreneurs in the developing world sometimes international foreign aid has been an obstacle to growing his business. There are situations where I've set up a business deal I'm about to do a cretin. To sell something to a community you know we need an investment and and use will hear about it. Because it becomes topical and find a way to bring aid money and provided for free so what happens to my investment I have to lay off my staff. To a large extent our governments have been held captive by the donor agencies and international donor community who are not in my view particularly interested in seeing the growth of local business when we talk to the government the government says we're not allowed to buy with doing our money in the home products that's just the way this is their money they decide who gets it and this has been a big dilemma for us but it shows you're more interested in a smile on the World Bank country director place than the success of my business. For example of US companies in Ghana got together local companies to bid for contracts government contracts now everything was going very well who were competent to do the work guess what happens we're bidding against some European companies one of the companies got their governments to loan our government money to very soft loan for the project our folks in the government said you know we love you very much there's no nothing beats free money we lost our money you know we ended up doing with it up waiting working our subcontractors to the Europeans to give us the west part of the business the most difficult and least profitable part we wound up doing it because we were better at as doing the work so they got the best of both worlds their government paid we ended up doing the work they took the money that's not development's that's not assistance that's some very. Large part of a this of course a subsidy. All right so. First two examples out there. The egg situation. What do you think of that. As your thoughts on that. Sad OK. Using the mind it was. Because of the local. Right oh my god so man's first I gotta go yes he. Just. Yes. It does raise your FREE. Program. They. Know It's True. But. That's because well. This is. Really we're. Here and we're really. Yeah. We'll talk about short term mission trips maybe by the fourth day or something like that. You have you know I haven't forgot you. All he's going to you oh why do the oldest one never has a disaster. Church. Game together. Well really. Quite well. You left him. Yeah and it may very well be because and again I probably should have showed the soul the chicken I mean the eggs and then the Kenyan. Kloster. Those are things that might be a little closer to home. Home Leslie for us who might go on mission trips or like that. In the last clip was really about aid which we're going to talk about more tomorrow. But I'm just I mean to say and what you said there we do have a you know we have address was a stand for. Us OK So we have development and we have relief right so when the hurricane hits the earthquake hits Absolutely there is relief needed and is needed right now lives are at stake but then there's development that is you know the long term. Which requires great thought. And so on and this lady here asked of course one how they have known about that and that's why we'll talk about that here in a minute if we get that far OK. I think I see her hand in your hand. And then. We really. Didn't summarize it. All. Right it's called Partnership Yes and she was next and I'm. Sure we got here. Rep. HYDE. Park. Because it's a little louder if you can. Sure I'm sure. Right. Yes I did. Here we. Were. Way more. You know how can I say what I think the numbers. Were. And then. But they were. To us so we're. Really. Seeing there and wanted to hire to work either. We do local. Writing OK. Too much dead space here in the city. So there's a lot of unintended consequences what you're saying I will give him credit for one thing that they least they were hiring the local people from what I have read. Of all the contracts the talk and. The money. In Haiti after the earthquake only two percent of the contracts by dollar. Has gone to Haitian people. So OK just one more and we've got to move on. Let's. Just. Go overseas that's for sure just. Like. When I was there that in the harbor it was really. Just. Yeah just. She's OK so. I did this. So. It was more. You know you really needed people were. Just. Or yeah and so. It was really hard just to get. Yes And that right like this I really do I grew up poor you know what. You know well somebody said you're bored. You know this is a sort of you know I was very. Sure where I had the good minds that was there but. I'd be told that I was. So. Right I actually working hard for ten years myself and. My comment on that is simply that what I found and what others have found I actually heard skip McCarty make the statement and I've thought about it many times since and I guess because it applies in certain other situations. Where I'm at right now I actually wanted takes about you know one one person can work about was while one family or maybe two you know Anyway I appreciate your comments I hope what we've seen here is through out some thought I don't know I want to kind of move on here try to actually just. Try to tie some of these things together a little bit OK I do want to have discussion. I think maybe tomorrow I might I don't know pass this around or some kind of worried about. So he's going to be listening to this and they're going to hear nothing for a while so we have to figure that out but anyway. Pick up where I left off all right. So unintended consequences that's what we're just talking about you noticed. And just in a discussion here it's come Holland things I haven't even thought of. Lots of unintended consequences. We really begin on our knees. And. Honestly event that Pernod. Spent as a team at a time again. And I did have this up with the voices of the poor but. I did want to show those videos today and I just wasn't sure where that would fall in the in the time so now I'm coming back to the actually definition of poverty OK And this is the definition that this illustration is illustrating here that is certainly not original with me but the more I thought about it the more I thought it it sort of yeah it works OK and that is the thought that poverty is about broken relationships OK broken relationship with God. You can see that if we have another god in the place of the Living God whether it be alcohol or drugs. Those are poverty examples I mean material poverty examples then those things lead to poverty. They tend to poverty and of course our own relationship with our self we see the admin Eve again. One say disobeyed the Lord it was a feeling of shame. Etc etc etc. Which is very crippling. For him for people very crippling for people. In a broken relationship with others here is a lot we can talk a lot about this. And you know everything from the dictator. And whatever country it is that leads to you know that's a that's a fast track to poverty for the people that is a broken relationship with others in this case you know the dictator or the leaders of the country in so many other ways. And then civil war and so on Poverty is a result of we can say it's living in a broken relationship with others. And then creation in the rest of the world certainly. You know Laura use the this is a little bit beyond this but. Not totally So you use the the illustration actually have it tomorrow but. Let's just say what's this use us then you know when the earthquake hit in Haiti was of course was already one of the poorest countries on earth it was devastated so this is a in a sense a broken relationship with creation sin. Certain results in this world that has led to poverty and terrible poverty around the world. By the way in this in this. Definition here I think is a good time to say this. We are if we can understand and if you just think about this and I I didn't buy this when I first read this but the more I thought about you know this really this really has a lot of truth to it. And it also makes room because this is not talking about just material poverty. And we remember that Jesus said that we you know the Laodiceans think that we're rich and we don't all that were pour. Because of a broken relationship with God You know we're very religious. So poverty really we. Are whore we live in a broken world we most of us here are not maybe all of us here if we compare with the rest of the world we are not materially poor. But we certainly have great needs right now and the. The. A problem arises when we who are poor or Jesus said so we don't know it we're trying to help people who are materially poor or maybe we haven't really. Got heart to heart with the Lord about this. Maybe what we're really trying to do is feel good about ourselves. And of course we already have a material view of poverty and we want to be. You know they use the term. Or they call it a godsend Drome or something like that well I think at the phrase we want to feel good about ourselves and we have this materialistic view of poverty which certainly is partially true in a big way and and here's this person who's already feeling shame and so on and so do we bring in a gift you know our our money or whatever wringing we feel good about ourselves. And we may do it in such a way that word is deepening the shame. That this person feels about themselves so it makes sense to you. All right yes or. Some form. Of foreign countries. What. They feel should what they don't want to work just to see. This. I'm glad we don't have that in America when I read Americans aren't outweigh those those foreign people are that way but not America so you live. Are nice situation more money yes yes. OK I read those. Oh. So. Foreign. Yes So. Yes. Well yes. So we have to be really careful don't we yet we're talking about our friends I think off on the forestay here. So I appreciate that you want to say one more thing about that we are finished or. Might. Yes yes. An orphanage in Burma yes no need to. Be rich or national I know them yes this is what it. Was absolutely are. And. So. We all know when. Really. Fun. So to listen to. One of the. Muslims that we. Are you got to go I've got only a few minutes left OK so. Yes it might not. Be well you know this. To be. OK So a lot of things OK. Well. Just as you did good. My good. All right lot of. Yes. Yes I need. Yes yes. Yes yes yes. Yes. Where was I that you need. OK yeah you know what is hot it's hard to get all talk about it it's hard to get in dollars Well what do you guys do well we're getting to know the people for two years oh we want to action. Right. Now live. Really. OK. While. A lot of problems all right here we go a little bit more here I got seven minutes Brian Myers wrote basically a textbook called Walking with support in there he takes a hit this stab at defining relationships I mean define poverty. Actually as putting into words the little. Illustration I just showed you poverty is a result of relationships that do not work there are not just that are not for life that are not harmonious or enjoyable. Poverty is the absence of peace in all it's me so again poverty is a result of relationships I do not work that's. Lot of reflection I think there's a lot of truth to that OK So we'll just take a few minutes to talk about paternalism. Eternal ism is behavior which limits some person or groups liberty or autonomy for what is presumed to be that person's or group's own good OK. Now if you're talking about a five year old that be OK to be healthy right. So I'm just talking really quickly about three types of paternalism resource spiritual and knowledge for turn Alyson. Resource paternalism is the tendency to see solutions in material terms or in financial and other material resources into situations where it is not appropriate. Handouts instead of investments OK I you know who are the first time I went to Romania. You know I'd see these people and I'd give them money you know I never stopped it's. I think that number one they're just normal in their in their environment they look poor to me but I'm not even the I was a poor so the poor or in home the pastor would tell me you know don't don't get. Took me awhile to listen to him same to say OK Of course. He wanted money too so that's why it was hard for me to listen to him but after I realized it was right when he was saying. My most recent you know I'm thinking about a year or so back when I was in the Philippines there was a girl and her husband had died and. And you know my heart went out for she had some kids and. But I asked the conference President who knew this situation and said. I'm thinking about helping this. You know this family and when I say I sometimes I'm in trusted with money that is you know his not mine is other people's soul. And he just. He told me a little bit about the situation and that this girl had a hard time with the way she spent money and so on so far She actually rode the cab I mean I never you know we ride the cab in the Philippines you know and you know he said So you know you can help her a little bit well after he gave that description I didn't help at all and. Anyway the tendency to see solutions in material terms. Yes yes. You know many years ago. Wow. The. President could Gami I think I don't he was a president but he. Really believes and how the. More recent presidents OK spiritual paternalism assuming the materially poor are inferior spiritually This is you know. That this is a lead as a big leap isn't it they usually but I'm afraid that's kind of us and it's kind of in them sometimes you know I'm not going to mention the names here Laurie but you know we takes certain people you know to firm places and pretty soon they're calling them pastor you know or is not a pastor you know nothing a pastor is up there or anything but why they call a pastor because he's white because he's from America I mean you know. Just and so it goes both ways but it is certainly not true certainly not true. And reference was made earlier to the B.B.S. and. Harder ships. We were not you know. That all right. So all knowledge paternalism. And that is again we have all the best ideas about how to do things as I wrote here paternalism instead of partnerships. And. Oh my goodness. You have these statements and I guess I guess the best thing to do is just to stop. And I will kind of finish set up before we go to our next. Topics tomorrow thank you so much for being here I hope by. The very least I hope we generated thought today and tomorrow we're going to talk about aid. Then and that's. Going to be I guess sort of eye opening and then we're going to talk of the next two days we're talking about the. Things that have been a blessing around the world have really really worked. So that's sort of the direction we're going so let's just say closing prayer. Father again I thank you for each one here who clearly. Wants to be used by you to help those who are in a material way. Are in great need of help just whatever's been said Turpin it correctly to our minds and hearts. We pray. Jesus in. 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