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1. The Reformation's Dangerous Idea

Adam Ramdin


Adam Ramdin

Youth Director for the North England Conference of SDA



  • December 28, 2017
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This message was presented at the G.U.Y.Z. twenty seventeen conference arise in Phoenix Arizona for other resources like this visit us online at W W W dot. Org. Morning everyone. Welcome to G Y C Again I'm sure you've been welcome several times in the main hall but it's good to see you here as we begin the workshop sessions here at G Y C. As we start our like to begin with a word of prayer and then we'll get started Father in heaven we pause to thank you for your goodness to us we thank you Lord for the privilege that we have to. Study together to look in the past examine where we are today we thank you all for the privilege we have to be members of the worldwide some of the Adventist Church we thank you Lord for the heritage that we have and I pray Lord that as we spend these moments together we ask the Holy Spirit to be our guy to be our teacher to illuminate minds I pray that you would speak through me as well we ask this in Jesus' name amen. It's good to be here with you as you know my name on the screen My name is Adam Ramadan I come from England as anyone who has been to England. Got a few got a few from England I work there as the North England conference we have two Congresses a north and a south I work as a northing and conference youth director and sort of been doing that for a couple of years now it's a privilege to work with young people in the position that I have the workshop that we're doing this week is called Lineage know your history how many of you are in the lineage videos that we've released this year and you want seen most of you have seen all of your K. is a series of videos that we released this year forty in total videos on church history the idea the thinking behind it was I was working as youth director was that a lot of the young people today not as young older as well but other young people today have lost a sense of or we have lost a sense of our identity and that's fueled in some ways by the fact that we're not really studying like we used to as a people and we don't really know our heritage and where we come from so we created a video resource called Lineage journey which is a series of videos based on history chronologically. He got it the journey of the church over time and he said the videos were just five minutes long we released one video a week we've kind of finished history as there is now and it's forty in total but it took people on a journey from constancy and all the way up to about the year eighteen hundred and the idea was to give people a snapshot as to where we've come from we put them on social media as a as a video resource that So it's something that they're free to see on our website on You Tube and on Facebook if you haven't seen them check them out we also are the booth where we have some D.V.D.'s as well I'll introduce some of that scene later on. We've got from photographers on the scene as I'm videographers on the team and so introduce a few of them later on so you can just kind of see who they are and if you've got any questions for them. You can see them at the booth later on. So the first workshop that we're doing today is entitled to this one here is entitled The Reformation is dangerous idea we just look at a few of the broad themes of the Reformation and what what were some of the ideas that it was founded on and how were these in a sense dangerous or going against the grain of of the church culture at the time and so that's the title for the first one the second one we've got which comes just after this is called Faith and formulas we're going to be looking at kind of how the progression of belief change from. The John Wesley and how what and how is adamant this where do we get our heritage on faith then and so on from what we believe on salvation then we have a workshop called a hill to die on and we have one called. The foundation of all freedoms and the last one is going to be called swaying the future and so the reformations dangerous idea if you look at the screen there you'll see a map and that map tells you what the ruling. Just persuasion of Europe was around the year ten to eleven hundred and you so you see kind of there's a line there and then you see the words they're Roman Catholic so in all these countries here that we know today like France Germany Britain Ireland Spain Portugal you know all of these countries the religion the religion in the countries the official religion in the country was Roman Catholic and that was the only religion you didn't have an option of well I don't really want to be a Roman Catholic I'd rather be something else you're born into a Roman Catholic home that was your heritage that was your birthright so to speak and that was the religion that you were born with and there were no other options you couldn't just pick and choose it's almost like today you know kind of the way we think about our national identity or our ethnic identity you know if you're a boy if your parents are Korean you were born as a. You Korean you can't be like it you get to ten years old you know I want to be Korean I want to be Chinese now you know you can't do that you are you're Korean it's fixed from birth. And it's kind of the same back then you were born as a Roman Catholic that was the only option that was on the table if you were born in that part of the world Roman Catholic and so you were born into a very Roman Catholic country community church that was the only option that you had and so as you look at the Reformation certain things started to change and we'll look at some of these later on in this presentation but this was the church structure at the time the church structure was you had in Europe the Pope or you could say the world the pope or in Europe you had the pope underneath the pope and this is still the Roman Catholic Church structured today you had the cardinals underneath the Cardinals you had the archbishop underneath the archbishop you had bishops and then underneath the bishop you had the local priest then under the priest you had the poor lonely church men. Yes So that was the church structure they had in Europe it was pervasive across the whole of Europe every single country was like that and it was the reformation would progress there will be different church structure is that would come up later on you get me a Pesca paling interest them which was base which originated in England with the Church of England or the Anglican Church then you would later on get the approach the Presbyterian churches the Congregational Church system and then you have the representative church system as well just quick question which one of these do we have. Under the Skin. We've got written well. There are some parts of our church system that are very that are very much like the Presbyterian system however. It would be incorrect to say we are Presbyterian fully because I differ slightly I would say that we're more of a representative church system than we are Presbyterian we're definitely not at risk of Paley and and we're definitely not congregational congregational is when you have a I don't know just one single standing church and that's their only structure kind of a lot of these T.V. preachers they are congregational they just I want to there's no structure all the money comes in there and they get all the money and that's it congregational we fit more down here though it's got elements of this in it but at the time in Europe the twelve hundred thirty eight hundred that was the church system that they had and that was the church system that will people were born into and what they sow Now what was one of them when you think of the Reformation you think of some of the ideas of the Reformation some of the ideas that stand out number one. Now as a share these ideas or some of these dangerous ideas are you going to look at the title of a Dangerous Idea then you going to look at what the dangerous idea is and the overwhelming response in your mind is probably going to be. Like how can you consider the Bible is the ultimate foundation for all Christian belief and practice to be a dangerous idea as a Christian today that's just normal we would say as you know a heritage as Adventists as Protestants they that's as normal. But at the time if you go back to the thirty hundreds that was extremely revolutionary was extremely dangerous but why because people didn't even own Bibles themselves you didn't have access to a Bible so to say oh by the way the foundation of everything we believe and. It is nice to be based on a book that I can even read in my language that you don't have access to is just like wow. It's like today we find this new book we discover. And then someone comes along this is you know our guys everything we do in church has got to be based on that book over there what book yeah this one over there the Bible so flues the Bible was central to life and thought of the church as a person devotion of the christian but I want to take you on a little journey to take you to some different places in. Excuse me I've got a bit of a cough. Take you to some places lots of worth is a town in England it's about two hours north of London if you've ever gone to England too many tourists go to England all they see is Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle there are some excellent sights to see that have great religious heritage. Is a small sleepy English market town but it's the work place of John Wycliffe It's about forty minutes from my house about a chance to go there many many times now before Luther you had a man called Huston a man called Jerome but before them you had a man called John Wycliffe Ellen White refers to John Wycliffe as being a well known. The morning star of the Reformation is not just Alan White but multiple Christian authors use that term as they refer to L. and why they say I mean the one I mean. John Wycliffe they say he was the morning star of the Reformation but why did they call in the morning star what would the reasons why he was the Morning Star Well first of all what is the morning star. Is like the first appears on the horizon before the sun comes up so it's kind of like that early warning sign so to speak now. John Wycliffe was born the context of his birth some of the issues that were going on in England at the time was England was paying a tax to Rome. So if you're a wind a hundred years from John Wycliffe he was like thirty and fifty if you rewind a hundred years from here you come to the year twelve fifteen anyone know what happened in twelve fifteen a significant document was signed that is more seen today as being significant than it was when it was actually signed Magna Carta Magna Carta was signed Why was Magna Carta signed with as a couple reasons why it was signed one of the reasons. The barons of England who were kind of like the land rulers they were very upset that the king had agreed to pay the Roman Church a thousand crowns per year in tax so how can we be paying money to this foreign country for no reason so they can't one of the things they did was sign the Magna Carta But but it kind of rumbled on after that it was repealed in a kind of rumbled on where there were some years they were paying the tax some years they weren't paying the tax when John Wycliffe came along the first course he championed was to get England free of the tax their own he studied at Oxford he was a highly respected scholar. You know when you read about these reformers they're all nearly all still in England studied at Oxford or Cambridge which sounds a bigger deal today than back then back then there were only two universities in England one was called Oxford and one was called Cambridge so you had a choice you went to this one or this one. It was only an eighteen thirty two that we got more universities in England before that it was just these two he said in Oxford he was highly respected and was a leader in the country he was sent later in his life to the last twenty years of service life he was sent to the parish of law to work you can go and visit the church today this is the interior of the church. And it is original parts of it some are not so original and this is the out exterior of the church as it looks today you know standard English country church and that's the bird's eye view of it there's a church there we took this as a drone shot when we were filming for lineage so you see it's not a very big town it would have been even smaller in his day it's not a big town it's not a big city and that's where he was sent. And there in the church you've got this little money that kind of Secrets of the memory of John Wycliffe the earliest champion of ecclesiastical reform in England he was born in Yorkshire in the year thirteen twenty four in the year thirteen seventy five he was presented to the rectory of little with where he died on the thirty first of December thirteenth eighty four stories in the last one year of his life at Oxford he acquired not only the renown of consummate schoolmarm But the more glorious evangelist Dr his whole life was one impetuous struggle against the corruptions and erosion of the papal court and the impostors of the devoted or deliveries the mendicant fraternities his labors in the cause of scriptural truth were crowned by one immortal achievement his translation of the Bible into the English tongue this mighty word joined him indeed the bitter hatred of all who were making merchandise of the proper credulous and ignorance but he found an abundant reward in the blessing of his countrymen of every rank and age by of whom he unfolded the words of eternal life his mortal remains were interred near the spot but they were not allowed to rest in peace after the lapse of many years his bones were dragged from the grave consigned to the flames and cast into the sign in the adjoining stream so that's the inscription that's there in the church to remind people even come to day. Of the heritage that we read in the book great controversy and it's still there if you go to the church I mean there's a kind of some interesting things about his his cloak. His his own preaching clue that they believe was his in the one hundred percent sure but they believe that it was a kind of you know put in a frame now this is Cherry reported to be Wycliffe chair and this is a pulpit made from the wood from Wycliffe pulpit Anyway there's a kind of like Reformation relics these are the ones. That don't Wycliffe What did he do he trained preachers Now why was that revolutionary Have you ever heard of a great Roman Catholic preacher. Not really even today why because in the Roman Catholic Church they don't focus on preaching what they focus on. Confession mass the sacraments etc That's what you focus on that's the you know the core part it's not about who is the greatest Roman Catholic preacher so he was kind of he broke with tradition he train men that were called the lads and they would travel the country sharing and preaching the gospel and so this in itself was revolutionary just to have traveling preachers now we today would say that's a standard part of Christianity we come to see it's full of preachers we go to church we look at who the preacher is here though that was new he trained preachers who would travel the country and they would share the gospel he was anxious he says that they would not settle and they were avoid that they were to avoid frequenting hunting and so verse were to give themselves at a serious study and preaching of the Word of God and they soon covered the land and the enemies complained they went all over England this is what will it get did he was going against the grain joining his life Wycliffe had three papal bulls against him. He was blessed in his life though that during his life you had the death of one pope which was Pope Gregory and that when the one pope died what happened there was a people schism instead of there just being a natural successor to the one pope there became two popes who both said that they were the true messenger of God And so the church splits. Two popes and so Wycliffe lived during the time where there were two popes This though was a blessing to in the sense that these guys were so busy fighting each other they didn't he didn't get the full wrath of the Roman Church on him because there was a papal schism that was going on in many ways that would that was a blessing to him and it allowed him to live and die. A natural death as he did even though he was dug up later on he was a man of gray. Conviction one of his quotes I love about this guy was I shall not a diary I was on his deathbed one kind of deathbed one time I stand not die but live and declared the wicked deeds of the fries he was really against the fries which were that you know these guys that would travel the country and just basically beg off the people and he was always speaking against these the these fryers for you know the indolent lifestyle that they lived. What did he do how did he live in his methods included export preaching exported three sermons from the Bible now that as I said earlier is kind of revolutionary because Roman Catholics weren't known for being preachers they're still not today known for being great preachers. For that tree sermons from the Bible expounding the text what does the Bible have to say about himself Wycliffe interestingly did not support the widely held practice of these mystery planes. And he believed that the oral teaching of the church should always be superceded by the simple preaching of the word so it wasn't about you know the everything else it was coming back down to the Bible and he did away with some of the elaborate singing of his day and he spoke about the frivolous performances that stirred vain man to dancing more than mourning. In some ways you can see some similarities between today and his time and some of the things he stood for he had a great evangelical fervor in his messages someone said though he was an academic he could plead with a man from his heart for him it was not enough for the preacher to assert his views to say what he thought was right he had to prove it from scriptures and Wycliffe wanted the Scriptures to be able to interpret themselves and so these are a few of the things that what this is why he was on the Reformation it wasn't just because he translated the Bible into the language of English. But his ideas on church life number one the preaching number two preaching just based on the Bible number three doing away with all of these kind of mystery plays and frivolous singing and Dancy doing away with these focus is focusing back on the Bible he was ahead of his time he was revolutionary but not just in these things in his beliefs his beliefs on purgatory now it's not what we would believe but it was that it was kind of a step in the right direction he believes the Purgatory was a place where saints rested. Now today we would say as Adventists that purgatory is all wrong I mean there's no such place as purgatory but you know from a place where they're tormented to a place where they rest that's kind of a progression these are purgatory they're not taught being tormented they're just resting. And that was against the view of the day. It was in them it was causing me to dwell on the torment in order to make men depend on the church he believed in the authority of the scriptures as the put person of one author is to another so is the mirror of one book to another since Christ is infinitely superior to every other man his book he said is also superior This is another area where he was way ahead of his day way ahead of his day and we're going to cover this more and I think our fourth presentation we're going to go into this in a bit more detail on the doctrine of the church John Wycliffe was way ahead of the reformers who would even come two hundred years later the only alternative to relying on the support of the state. To bring about the changes needed in the church was to send out preachers with the Word of God Now at the time how would the preachers paid how how are preachers paid in Adventism. TIME Have. You written I it's the church gets it or divides it and sends it or how a preacher is paid in the Anglican Church in England. The we pay our taxes tax dollars pay the preachers my cousin is a Lutheran minister I say OK. Our Icelandic side our family are all Lutheran She's like a Lutheran minister she's paid directly government tax dollars OK now in Wycliffe day at the time they were being paid from the state. What's the problem of being paid by the state he called the clergy in his day Assyrian clergy. Caesar clergy Syrian clergy why because he said render to Caesar that wouldn't go on so he sent these are the clergy of Caesar Caesar's paying the clergy so the clergy are only doing whatever Caesar ones them to do or doing stuff to make Caesar happy they're never going to talk against the state because the state is. Paying them and so Wycliffe was way ahead of his day I want to say way ahead because I mean Martin Luther never got this. Like the English Reformation of the sixteenth century never got this John Calvin never got this with Cliff was literally thirty eight hundred he was about four or five hundred years ahead of his day and it wasn't until America as a nation formed we had a church without a pope and a state without working but his ideas actually became reality. He insisted that voluntary offerings of the people should be the only revenue of the church and believe that the enormous wealth of the church was what corrupted it these are why Ellen White says and other Christian writers they say that John Wycliffe was the Morning Star it wasn't just because he had a little bit of light and the rest of them came along and added to it in some ways when John Wycliffe even had more light and so on the reformers who came after him and they were still playing catch up a couple of hundred years later he also believed in a separation from Rome he urged his followers who have nothing to do with the friars and he's one of the first reformers that we know who person. Pope as being anti christ OK thirteen seventy or so he is the first to denounce the pope as being anti christ so Wycliffe is rightly called The Morning Star of the Reformation now was the second idea Reformation second that in the text of the Bible all the preaching based upon it should be in the vernacular the Bible should be in the language of the common people it should not be in Latin or just available in the top of Hebrew Greek. The fundamental concern of the Lutheran and the reformers was to break the clerical and academic monopoly on the matter of faith faith was not was to be democratized by making its foundational resources available to all who could read and insisting that they were all welcome participants in the discussion about the interpretation and application of their faith it wasn't just oh here's a Bible but I want you to be an equal with me as we discuss as we interpret these ideas as we discuss our faith none of this was a revolutionary new idea today this is standard practice that was something I think we've just kind of forgotten you know you go to church today and how many people actually still take their bible to church just kind of take it for granted. You go to the big churches you big institutional churches and I guarantee you they're going to lost property and most of these churches that's full of Bible that are left there. Aren't some Occams in England and every year at the end of summer camps as a whole stack of Bibles. Of all the teenage kids nice Bible Sue and grave beer so and so love from. Nice Bible says left the end of summer camp kids don't care. But then it was revolutionary It was a dangerous thing to give the Bible to the people now John with Cliff is also called the Morning Star because he was the first one. Of the major reformers who put the Bible into the language of the people now if you know about the different Bible translations and different Bible texts he translates it was called the Latin Vulgate it's not the purest text it's not the best text but it's better to have an English Bible from the Latin Vulgate than it is to have no English Bible or top lates a Bible translations would come from the Hebrew and the Greek he translated his from the Latin there were some kind of inaccuracies and so on but it was a huge huge step in the right direction and he translated this in thirteen eighty two only two years before he passed away and before he dies. These are some quotes this is what the church believed at the time in the thirteenth century it was decreed we forbidden the laity to possess any of the books of the Old Testament and New Testament except maybe the son. But having any of the books translated into what tongue. Into the vulgar tongue that's how they you know we say on. The Bible in the vulgar tongue they called was strictly forbidden so that was the attitude at the time of John Wycliffe and then when it's late it is buyable notice what a leading archbishop said about him this pestilential and most wretched John Wycliffe of damn the bull memory a child of the old devil and himself a child or pupil of anti christ crowned his wickedness by translating the Scriptures into the mother tongue. Now that's crazy. But this gives you some Why what did the church think at the time. You know we look at him he was so against the grain he was called the child of the Devil people the anti-Christ and he crowned as witnessed by translating the Bible into the mother tongue but his translation was key as many other countries to what was there in England in Germany France and so on the Bible was key in the formation of the language his translation market in the development of the English language. As Luther's did in the history of the German language Chaucer has been recognised as the father of English poetry but many recognise that Wycliffe should be recognised as the father of English prose because as the Bible was translated it helped solidify the language now this would later be reinforced by William Tyndale who you could arguably say had a big impact on modern English today. But with Cliff set the groundwork he set the he set the the pace along why is Wycliffe was one of the greatest of the reform is in breadth of intellect in clearness of thought in firmness to maintain the truth and in boldness to defend it he was equalled by how many. Few who came after him Wycliffe was a great man he was a great man but if we fast forward in time just on the principle the Bible in the language of the people in Oxford you had a student called William Tyndale Now William Tyndale I think is one of the most underrated of the reformers personally sometimes people ask me who who's your favorite reformer and and never kind of had one. But now my favorite reform I think is William Tyndale from what he accomplished in his life and what he stood for he was a genius of his day in fourteen away the Oxford commission for bade the translation of the Bible just reinforcing this took this comes just twenty years after. Workless sort of it we forbid the translation the Bible. William Tyndale was at a dinner once where he was sitting around with another another priest or teacher and the common good to the Bible and the person said these words have become famous we would have been better if we were without God's laws than the pope's. Would be better without than the pope's Now William Tyndale response is profound and his response was I defy the pope and all his laws if God spares my life in many years I will cause the boy that drives the plow through no more of the Scriptures then you do. Profound. Profound response I will cause the boy that drives the plow when you think of a plow would you think of we don't apply our boys in America or Western Europe any more we think of a plow boy today someone who is going behind a horse plowing the ground what do you think of a farm hand. You think of an educated someone someone who hasn't been able to go to school because they had to stay home and work on the family farm to. Eke out a subsistence living he says all caused the boy who drives the plow to know more of the Scriptures than you do now William Tyndale deliberately set to write a Bible which would be accessible to everyone is profound you have the King James Bible in your hand today some of you and it's a very profound piece of literature and much of William to the King James Bible we owe to William Tyndale. Notice some of these phrases some of these phrases they have infused into. Everyday speech so much so that people who say them don't even know they're actually saying William Tyndale would not and it shall be open and to you as in the King James when it goes before the kingdom to go to win it in those Bible. A moment in time it's a phrase that people use all the time fashion not yourselves to the world ask and it shall be given to you Judge not that you be not judged William Tyndale the Word of God which live liberty and the last if we're ever How about that one the powers that be because I want of the knowing Hey why did that happen and you know how it would be. And people who aren't even Christian use are you know the salt of the earth a Lawrence of themself it came to pass he had a beautiful way of writing William Tyndale filthy lucre the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak live move and have our being licked the dust under the sun signs of the time we have all magazine and it is named after William Tyndale phrase Let there be a light fell flat on his face the land of the living pour out once the flesh pots of Egypt go the extra mile the parting of the ways by that one let my people go. I mean that's kind of infused into contemporary culture. Are in for an in the tooth for a tooth. These phrases come from William to know why but now now why are some of these so profound and why they lasted that why have they lasted from fifteen forty to whatever it was for the forty six I believe until two thousand and seventeen and we still use these phrases today as if they're just normal. What did what was his phrase he said I defy the pope and all these laws and if God spare my life in many years I will cause the boy that what. Drives the plan how to know more of the Scriptures than you do it was William Tyndale intention not just to translate the Bible but to do it in such a way that the Plowboy an educated could read and understand the Bible and profound divine thoughts easily just as much as an educated man could now how did he do that how did he do that. To make this completely clear he used mano syllables frequently and in such a dynamic way that they became the drumbeat of English prone it wasn't just to make the Bible in English it was to make it in English. Readable by the Plowboy the word profound phrase the Word was WITH God and the word what I mean he's explaining a deeply profound thought there that Jesus is God. All with how many is that one two three four five six seven eight ten words or so all single syllable. It's amazing. That's why it's kind of lasted in Him was life and the life was the life of men and many of is it arms or monosyllabic the effect of this was immeasurable not only in England but across the world this was profound what he did today you can go to the British Library this is just as likings Cross Station in London you can go to the British Library go there inside the front door and there in the British Library the got a room on the left it's called the John Ritalin room and there they've got all their and books so you've got the. The. Old music from barkin and all these guys you've got original Beatle lyrics I don't know why they're there. And you've got William Tyndale is viable there's only two today the British Library paid a million pounds for it but notice a complete analysis of the authorised version or the King James Version. Was made in one nine hundred ninety eight and it was shown that Wycliffe swerd to account for eighty four percent of the New Testament and seventy eight seventy five point eight of the Old Testament books that he didn't translate the whole of the Old Testament but what he translated seventy five point eight percent is basically the King James Some people say the King James Bible is published today it would get sued. For copyright fraud so they kind of just cut. Paste or just slightly. It doesn't so much speak against their moral ethical character as it does speak about how great William Tyndale is Bible was. That even though they went through extensive research as they translated a lot of them can't really be the Word was WITH God and the Word was God will just take that. So he Tindall is the mainly unrecognized translator of the most influential book in the world although the Authorized King James version is abstention Lee the production of a learned committee of churchmen it is mostly cribbed from Tyndale with some we working of his translation What about Luther Luther also translated the Bible into the German language and what did they say you know you know in many ways I've read about Luther what Tyndale did for the English language Luther did for the German language but probably much more marked A different than even Tindall did on the English he had a way of translating the Bible into the German language that really solidified the German language what they have today and it was a really profound translation the same kind of thing that the theory or sorry that the motivating factor the boy that drives the plow he really wanted the German every day man to read it loses German translated it was finished in fifteen. For and before this there was no common German language his Bible though helped to unify all the different dialects that were in the different regions of Germany and solidify the German language in a sense to what they have today his Bible became the direct source for Byelaws in Sweden Denmark Holland and Iceland Luther's real genius was in his colloquial turns of phrase before Him The Bible was a theological text his translation can transform it from not just being not just into understandable language but what everyday language it contains conversations you might hear Jesus speaking as a German carpenter to German fisherman he did. With the Bible in German what Tyndale did with the Bible in English though some say he even did it to a much greater degree third idea salvation is free and merited gift of God received by faith when we're going to cover this morning next presentations are not really going to cover this much now he summarized by the just shall live by faith for Luther a misunderstanding or by denying this the church had lost its identity and the Reformation was about restructuring beliefs and practices consistent with their core foundational beliefs. And so this kind of became a to catch phrase of the reformation will cover this more in the next presentation what about this one another reformation a dangerous idea their formation that is foundational to Christianity or Protestantism today Adventism today as well is that there was no fundamental distinction between the clergy in the laity Now this was a key belief of the lupa it was a key belief of many of the reformers that there's not this this huge divide but he believed in the priesthood of all believers and leveling the playing field the priest of all believers had huge implications clergy and laity could both receive communion could be allowed to marry that was a revolutionary idea. Martin Luther believed the he married each congregation should be able to elect its own preachers and pastors The aim was to. The idea of a spiritual elites that's key. So this was the Catholic Church structure Oh you're the pope the bishops. The sorry the pope the cardinals the archbishop the bishops the priests and then you've got the local church which has no authority in church administration Luther and the different reformers they challenge this people or hierarchical structure and you had different. Church structures that came out now William. Let me share with you a little bit about William Tendo I believe it's this is in London that's the ministry of defense of the equivalent of our Pentagon it's there in London the River Thames is just here where I'm standing and there's a statue of William Tyndale there and on the statue. I'll rephrase in a minute but from fifteen twenty four to when he died jus to a conflict with King Henry the Eighth Now this was when King Henry the Eighth was a Catholic later on in his life he became well it's a very generous term to call him a Protestant. Very generous and I don't even think it's the logically correct to call him a Protestant later it is life he became Church of England head but theologically he was kind of a Catholic till he died I mean when he died he left in his will like thousands of pounds to pay purgatory in after he died so he still had core Catholic with anyway this was when he was a Catholic. King Henry the Eighth wrote letters and you know things are against strongly and see Reformation at this point as one of the leading theologians in England his opposition to the king's divorce was not favorably received this kind of all the subplots William Tyndale doesn't agree with the king's divorce so William Tyndale ostracized and then the fact that he's trying to translate the Bible as well. Just makes him even worse anyway sort of his life he travelled Europe he was kind of like a. REFUGEE a fugitive he was befriended by a man called Henry Phillips. He was taken to build war castle in Belgium they attempted to be a truce and they had a choice. They wanted William Tyndale to come back to him and they really didn't want to kill the most leading theologian in Britain. And there was a man in NG I think is name was Thomas Cromwell he tried to bring a reconciliation between ten and the king and he said come back to England we'll sort things out when you get there. In there said the unknown. He was only forty two at the time he left this country as a birth he said no I will only return to England if the king authorizes the translation of the Bible what was the principle in live by the Bible for everyone was the foundational principle of the Bible for everyone. The priesthood of all what I believe is that everyone has access to the Bible all men are created equal he has the he has the option do I die for the principle I have lived by my whole life or diarrhea turned to my home country is and I'm not going back to England unless the King authorizes the translation of the Bible. I think about many of the people of Israel OK I'll go back on the go he is something he's on is this or this black and white there's no in between. That was a principle he his principle was that all men are created equal had done if he verbalize that that's really what he lived by the Bible was for all men and it's a product of this Biblical principle when you read the sign it says that within the year afterwards a viable was placed in every parish church by the king's command his last words were Lord open the King of England. He died by strangulation they thought they would be more humane by strangling him first then burning him. So they strangled him and before he lost all breath his last words were Lord open the eyes of the King of England strangled to death and they burned him he never saw the answer to his prayer but within a year his prayer was answered it's better to live and die for a principle than just kind of you know. Go through life without that from the outset Protestants rejected the critical medieval distinction between the sacred and the secular orders from this position so while this position can easily be interpreted as a claim for the de sac realisation of the sacred that's what the Catholic said is the door you're making what they can read on secret. This is no no no we're not making was sacred and sacred it can be equally well understood as the claim for the sacral ization of the secular that we're leveling the playing field here as early as fifteen twenty a little late the fundamental conceptual foundations for created sacred space within the secular his doctrine of the priesthood of all believers' asserted that there is no genuine difference of status between the spiritual and tempore all or between the pastors and the laity or between the priest and the members all Christians are called to be a priest and can exercise that. Calling within the everyday world the idea of calling was fundamentally redefined no longer was it to be about being called to serve God by leaving the world it was never about serving God in the world this idea of the priesthood of all believers and how did that happen you know one of the key things that this author brings that was called the priesthood of all readers. By making the Bible accessible in the language of the people you were then creating an educated laity which they had never had before with an educated laity they could now challenge the priests on what they were saying in some ways what's happening today with the Internet boom is almost like a repeat of this then you had this massive infusion of information that the members never had before today it's almost like you have a repeat of that with the Internet people have access to information that previously you only had access to if you went here their own wherever to like you know libelous and study this now people have access to so much more information it is kind of levels the playing field to get. To. These are just some of the different church structures that we got through the Reformation that were different from the papal order though it's not quite still it still was quite hierarchical in the Episcopal or which is Anglican or Church of England it was bishops priests deacons and then members in this kind of Anglican Lutheran order that you have the Presbyterian Church and as I asked at the beginning which structure that we are adamant as have someone said Presbyterian some of that representative with our church structure does have elements of the Presbyterian structure that John which John Calvin set up the authority rests on church membership to assemblies the local church is governed by one assembly disassembly is governed by a wider assembly that's kind of like the church board and church business meeting kind of. The theory of governance is developed by John Calvin and John Knox the most popular reformation movement churches. Then you've got independent Congregational Church was kind of I guess came more after the reformation where you basically just have one singular church pastor a board that runs the church and everything stays local They have the authority and theology personnel tied in it or localise then you have the. Representative structure which came later after the Reformation which is what we were called is the Adventist church structure which is different to the papal structure misrepresentative the authority is in the membership from below as opposed to up top sometimes people look at the adamant destruction as they all when you go to uni and you go to conference and you go to division it's not Catholic so I went to him and. Because the power comes from down as opposed to top down the people up top only have authority as it's given to them by those that have elected them from the bottom up. The last couple of points before we close the reform of the churches life and thought was not about beginning again and this is an interesting one they say Reformation is dangerous idea my point here is this none of the reform is planned to be reformers. Their idea wasn't to like start a new church that initially they just say we just want to have you know we just want to change what the church is thinking and doing we don't want to have a complete reconstruction but as they set about to be faithful to truth it ultimately led them that way but their original motive was just to see what was right done. Luther's idea was to reform the existing church and lost its bearings during the middle ages like after reform as Wycliffe as well did not see the opening of his work where it would lead him he did not deliberate self in opposition to Rome but as he came devoted to truth it would lead in that way. For. Himself it was not without the terrible struggle with himself that Luther decided upon a final separation in the church it was about this time he wrote I feel more and more every day how difficult it is to lay aside the scruples that I have imbibed. Oh how much pain it caused me though I had the scriptures on my side to justify to myself that I should make a stand alone. He never set out to like start the Lutheran church he set out to be faithful to God's word and this faithfulness to God's word led him that way though that wasn't his the road and you find that common theme throughout the Reformation that they never planned to do that it just kind of happened. Gutenberg press without the new technology Luther's protest would have just been a small thing that was you know he never never planned he never planned in fact you can you can tell that Luther never planned his ninety five Theses to be what is ninety five theses became because he wrote his ninety five pieces in Latin if Luther wanted his ninety five pieces to have been like boom he had written in German by writing his species in Latin and he only planned for it to be a theological discussion and the professors of Wittenberg that's all he wanted it to be but some bright spark praise the Lord got the ninety five theses translated into German because of the Gutenberg press it got printed and copied it sent all over Germany and the thing was I wore what happened to me. But he never wanted that himself he said the publicists he did not appeal to me he wasn't planning for that originally written in Latin they were translated into German printed and distributed to a wide audience the result was that within a few weeks they were all over Germany and beyond which were had what had begun as a dispute among a few theologians and church officials had become an international controversy on the account of the printing press. Throughout the reformers they never planned and shared this before the holy club in England was a campus ministry Oxford University it was a campus ministry at Christchurch College Oxford University Charles Wesley started it there was a group of about ten or fifteen people they would meet the Bible study today is grown in to be the Methodist Church campus ministry to Methodist Church all they wanted to do was to be faithful Christians while they were studying at Oxford University. That was what they wanted to do. It led them somewhere. But this foundational core was humility and a desire for greatness the holy club was set up of the university they met every week they were called the Oxford Methodist and a local journo and initially he travelled the country visiting small groups it became something much much bigger and the last point I want to share before we close is this we are bound by our conscience to the Bible over councils or the church that was a revolutionary new wine that the Reformation shared that is the building block of them they had been isn't. Adventism is built on this principle that would be bound to a conscience to the Bible over Council the churches you find this throughout the Reformation Luther he posted his ninety five theses intention was to reform the church Luther was condemned he realizes that the reform of the church won't happen his the and I will became prominent and then you have the famous quote by Luther this is in worms it's a reformation monument is pretty impressive and not far from this place there's a spot on the ground where there's a there's a. Where they believe Luther was actually standing and he gave these famous words unless I am convinced by Scripture and what plain reason I do not accept the authority of popes or councils for they have contradicted each other my conscience is what captive to the Word of God I cannot and I will not recount anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe here I stand I cannot do otherwise God help me amen profound words he was laying down a framework I don't care about this council I don't care about the authority of the council My allegiance is to the Word of God My sense compels me so over and over you see different reformers repeating this this kind of idea. They believe he was standing here when he said these words in fifteen twenty one after he said these words he was asked kind of like he's just on his might drop speech and afterwards on his my job speech there's a oh by the way. Just the one recount. To which is said I will retract nothing Luther wasn't you know everything we would put to my eyes in the biblical Christian today. He had many faults about him that modern history likes to highlight you know. He was against Jews or he drank or he did it for you know whatever. Modern History often tries to tear down people based on what they didn't do as opposed to what they may have stood for in a different time we cannot always judge people in the past by the morals or the knowledge we have today. For this one thing though standing for principle of conscience and the Bible over councils and the church he laid a foundation that many of the reformers took a back to him. And it's a powerful foundation that he laid the Protestant Reformation map of Europe changed greatly I mean the Green would still be Catholic. These dots here are the human nose in France then you have the Lutherans here Scandinavia part of Germany Lutheran Presbyterian is the blue Church of England is that it is the purple the map of Europe would change greatly over the sixteenth century from being just Catholic it would change massively and that's what a lot of big you see the Orthodox Christians the Muslims around here it changed greatly these ideas are what change the map. And these ideas propelled the church on a journey wasn't completely but it propelled the church on a journey that it needed to take until it would be completed one day is a couple of the ideas summarized in this presentation the reformations Dangerous Idea our next presentation we're going to look at its core faith and formulas we're going to look at Martin Luther we're going to look at Jacob Arminius we're going to look at John Wesley and how their ideas have shaped what we stand for as a people today as Adventists are we look at the rian are we Presbyterian are we you know what what kind of is our heritage when it comes to salvation and some of these questions. For a prayer that I want introduce some of the team as well that is just kind of at the back the linear stream as well as repair Father in heaven we thank you and I pray a lot. Some of these these concepts may be a reality in our life that we would stand for right though the heavens fall that we would be true as in the book education it says as a needle to the pole that our conscience would be bound and captive to the Word of God. That we would. Treasure the scriptures that have been handed down to us at such great peril. Bless us Lord we pray in Jesus' name amen. Got about five minutes before the break and use some of the lineage Venus here we don't have everyone here but we have some. Actually. I can go. Just for Eden if you like any of the pictures in my presentation. Then it's because of this guy right here. Ashley. Fact actually works as a photographer. In fact let me share some of their lineage team work. Works as a generous word to. Their lineage team we've got about eight or nine or ten. I mean I work for the church so I'm paid by the church but everyone really on the team is doing it voluntary. And they've just sacrificed their time actually works for Apple you know Regent Street Apple he's a genius leaders teachers the drawing and all that kind of stuff he takes a holiday to come take pictures for lineage that's the sacrifice that people have given to the lineage in kind of making this project be a reality what it is today so he's a photographer and graphic designer I call it my wife. And. And all that entails but she's. Most recently has done sound and other things she kind of has a knack of picking up what it was she put her hand to answer she did the sound on the most recent film that we had in America and just kind of works as assistant in producing she does the subtitles if you look at the the huge group we have what we call community contributions so we have translation on You Tube in Spanish Portuguese French and and different languages now we do that translation what we call community contribution you go to You Tube You click on these three little dots by the video and it says and translation you click on a translation and then you can then basically translate in a language just not there already I could go through all the episodes and times all of that stuff in English so when you go there all you have to do is literally look at the English and write in your language and it just goes very very easily so he kind of sets a subtitling up to make the subtitle impossible. And puts all. Grama correct that I messed up because I'm filming. Is a. Videographer. He does in season one Jasper was kind of the B. roll guy all of the drone shots all of the gameboard whatever source Jasper did in season two which you haven't seen yet and we're doing a season two which is going to be an advantage history he was the main shooter in season two he gave up a job as a pastor in Jakarta the international church in there in Indonesia in Jakarta to come work with lineage and their work is a very generous because. I just took his hands over. But he's really sacrificed a lot to be a part of the team and you know God is blessing him in his ministry he does other things as well and they'll be a little later on Eden Matheson he's studying engineering at some university in London and he if you see in our videos the behind the scenes videos. That we've put up a little for several them up so far he's the guy that does all the behind the scenes filming and has produced those videos behind the scene so he often comes with us on trips when he can and just kind of captures what it what each shoot kind of takes if you haven't seen it in the behind the scenes videos and I encourage you to have a look at some of them they kind of give you a different side to lineage you'll see all the all the mess ups and all the kind of things that get edited out before it goes public so yeah and we're just here is the who are the people on the team as well as on the team he's not here he's back home with his family and John Stewart is this couple others on the team that weren't able to make it to G Y C But we're glad for these guys who are here and they'll be in the booth later on if you have any questions or or whatever you want to ask or talk to them about in regards to the videos and and so on we have D.V.D.'s that are available for purchase as well. 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