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2. Faith and Formulas

Adam Ramdin


Adam Ramdin

Youth Director for the North England Conference of SDA



  • December 28, 2017
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This message was presented at the G.U.Y.Z. twenty seventeen conference arise in Phoenix Arizona for other resources like this visit us online at W W W dot. Org. Good afternoon. Morning. The second resolution we're doing today is entitled faith and formulas faith and formulas so that's power has for what a prayer as we get into it Father in heaven we thank you for the privilege we have to gather and study together a prayer bless our timely Holy Spirit be here in our midst we ask in Christ's name Amen faith and formulas we're going to be looking at some of the history behind what we believe as a church today or what I believe the Bible teaches on the different beliefs on salvation now in order to do this we're going to go on a journey to Germany will start in Germany then make our way to Holland them will finally end up in England someone say a man. Germany they don't know what this building is here anyone been. Losers on very good. That's his head the. Mental image of it so this was the house that Martin Luther was born and you see the building behind that was the church where he would have been baptized or you know we would say dedication today but back then they were baptized in from baptism would have been in that church just behind so this was Luther's birth home it's also in this town where he died so you go to his birth mom is call. There we go we have a German speaker here thank you press the flick into. Where he was born his birth house if you go into his house you can see different. Parts of his simple house that he lived in that would have been his bedroom they reckon but not his bed it's just kind of a bed reconstructed as what beds in that period would look like and that would have been his dining table or something similar to that and that's the church where he would have been baptized as a baby last that was baptized into the Catholic Church in from baptism is what they practiced back then and as he grew up. He grew up in a very poor house you may have read the stories or heard the stories how when he was traveling to school he would sometimes have to sing from door to door to raise a little bit of money so he could buy his lunch at school or before he would get there today we live quite privileged lives his life was quite poor and it was not that easy then as Luke a lot older he decided he wanted to become a monk and so he went to a town which was about an hour from where he was born the town called Earth first and in this town he went to a monastery today you can go to that monastery you can actually spend the night there you can rent a room and spend the night in the monastery I haven't had the chance to do that we were only there for a few hours if you go it is monastery they have got the rooms there that are kind of some of them are I guess what you call a hotel now but also they believe his bedroom was this one up here than the one hundred percent sure though also while he was here in this monastery he was a very devout monk he once said If ever a monk got to heaven by his monk or E. It was I He was a very very devout monk then one day he was in this room here it's quite profound I think to go there and it was while he was in this room there he looked over at the wall and saw on the wall a chain attached to the chain was a book the book was the Bible and as Luther writes he says I had heard about the Bible but I had never seen one that's just like I can't get that that's like going to study to be a minister Andrews' seminary universe University seminary to be a pastor in the administration and you get to the you know that theological training center to be a pastor and I never seen a Bible I have heard about one. So he sees a buyable for his first time in this room is chain literally chained to the wall with like a big hardcover and chain attached to the wall and so he goes and starts to read the smile the Bible was in Latin but even reading in Latin and reading his Bible chains of the war he would really read it several thought you know. And I see you read the Bible you know the Bible says In Psalm one hundred nineteen but one hundred thirty is the entrance of your words give the light it gives understanding to the simple and it was Martin Luther read this even though it was in Latin it started to illuminate his mind and he started to see different banks as he read the Bible it was an easy course it was just like he found the Bible read the bible oh he got saved no not as he read this Bible he kind of he struggled with a view of who God was was God a loving God was God and mean God was God and was God severe is God love he burns in hell is purgatory he had all these thoughts running through his mind and he struggled and there was someone there he met that really helped him out and he read Luther's life before you know anything about him there was a man. Screaming call Dr style pits doc to stop it's really helped looped around it's kind of like one of those teachers that is a student on their way corrects the trajectory of their life and sets them right and Staubitz really help Luther out what a correct or I mean not like a fully correct but more biblical view as to what happens when a man and God and salvation and he helped Luther out on this journey and really corrected him to help to see God as being a loving God and so on but Luther's journey wasn't ended yet it wasn't even complete yet he would go to this town here then recognize what this town is some do this is the town called Wittenburg if you supposed to pronounce it with V. as between Bergen. Visit and birth and this is the church that door right there where Luther nailed his ninety five theses in fifteen seventeen on October thirty first and the privilege we were filming there in in January of this year and so most of the videos and pictures you'll see will be with green trees and and whatever but we were there when it snowed and so you take what you get and it just gives a different feel but anyway that's Wittenberg of it and Burke and Luther was a university professor there now while he was a university professor in Britain BOURKE There was a dispute that arose between some of the theologians and churches in the area so what do you do when there's a dispute and you're all Catholic. Who settles a dispute where do you go you go to the higher ups right so there was a dispute so eventually they delegated that Luther would go to Rome to have this dispute heard by the higher authorities there in Rome and then he would bring back the answer as to what would be the case in this dispute so Luther went to Rome and this is obviously he wouldn't have seen this image in Rome because this was built after him but it's what we associate with Rome today Luther went to Rome and as he got to Rome he says as I saw the city of Rome I lay prostrate on the ground and I said oh holy Rome I salute you For him it was the apex of his life you know this is Rome he's a Catholic he's a monk he's finally there in Rome and seeing the you know the the holy city as it were and he says as he walked up and down the streets of Rome he says you could not imagine the sin and the conversations and all the things he saw it was a completely different picture to what he had imagined it to be you know sometimes you dream about going to a certain place and we finally get that your religion or all that it was cracked up to be while he was at Rome he went to this place here I was at this place it's a pilot staircase that's kind of the loss of his life Fishel name or that or that all the nickname for it but the Catholics believe that this staircase was the literal staircase that Jesus ascended on the night or the night before he was crucified when he met pilot and to score pilots their case they believe that miraculously one night an angel picked up this staircase in Jerusalem and transported it and dropped it in Rome now they believe that and you know we believe in miracles to say that they just are that's one of the miracles but because they believe that this is where Jesus walked up. The Catholic pilgrims come in you can see them they're lining up that is like a traffic jam and they get to the stairs and then they kneel on the first step the second step the third step and they say a prayer all the way up and it's not like a short little popcorn prayers and sentence prayers that we sometimes prayed there like on the steps for like two three four five minutes and then making their way slowly up say in their prayers Martin Luther was no different he got to the staircase is probably one of the most authentic places in the Reformation you can go to because you know it was on that staircase somewhere on one of these steps that has Luther was going up on his knees as a devout Catholic priest a monk that somewhere I don't know maybe was half way up as he was kneeling down praying he heard the words in his mind the just shall live by faith Romans chapter one and verse seventeen for there in there is a rightness of God revealed from faith the faith as it is written The just shall live by faith he heard these words in his mind it wasn't like some you know some angel say in the sky he just kind of impression in his mind Holy Spirit speaking to him The just shall live by faith he never finished his journey up the steps he got up from his knees and walked away now that was you know when you think about Martin Luther's life there are probably like five or six what you would say turning point in his life this was one of them it really made an impression on his life he didn't all of a sudden become a changed man at that point but it made a huge impression on his life the just shall live by faith So first of all you have Staubitz that helped him out seeing God as more loving then you got this situation received the just live by faith Now why was that So big Let me share with you a little bit of what the Catholic Church believes Rome believe that there was two causes of justification justification is a fancy word for saying you are made what just have a guilty person becomes a righteous person how someone wrong becomes right justification so there was two or two to two stages number one you had to get baptized and what at what point did the Catholics get baptized. They were baptized as babies not how we backed out and how we baptize that so that would be taken care of at birth then you had the Sacrament of Penance the Sacrament of Penance Now this is how the grace of you get the sacrament of justification through the through penance Now what was penance there was a thing at the time with Martin Luther's day call indulgences indulgences were linked to justification by the connection to penance Bennett is one of the things of justification penance was the second plan of justification for those who had made a ship wreck of their should save souls sorry of this soul penance so you have baptism you about as a baby then less saying you mess up your life and you mess up your life as most people do well then what you have to do you have to do penance penance then has three parts to it contrition confession and satisfaction three parts dependent indulgence was the satisfaction part so you say well what were indulgences Well indulgences were essentially paying money to the church to cleanse your soul it was a racket basically it was a it was a it was a scam economic problems and a financial crisis that affected both the Vatican and one of the princes in Germany prompted in Luther's day the indulgence corruption so the Catholic Church believed in fact Luther actually still believed in indulgences he just didn't believe in the the abuse of indulgences he said the in the theology of a lot of indulgences will be an abuse What was it mean well it was decided that the indulgence would should be promulgated on behalf of St Peter's So what do they have a problem there's a financial crisis in the Vatican so that's OK let's use indulgence is will sell the indulgence What does that mean you come to see the priest and the priest says what have you done or done this does this and it is OK when they turn a thousand pounds OK here's a thousand pounds to the church now by the by you paying a thousand pounds to the priest the priest gives you a slip of paper back and that slip of paper now your righteous. You've bought your way to heaven it's kind of like the fast ticket you ever been to Disney or something like that you buy your standard ticket and you can get the fast track ticket to get you to the front of the line is kind of like that thing the fast track ticket to heaven indulgences here you are paid more money get to heaven quicker and Luther was right this is an abuse how can people just be paying money and forgiving them of sins in the past not just sins in the past but it was also the future so this indulgence crisis in Luther's day the money was going to go to St Peter's you go to St Peter's There you stand in St Peter's Basilica huge marble golden stunning building paid for. By people since indulgences so Saxony which was the area Luther was I connected almost eighteen thousand relics ranging from a tweet from most is a burning bush to a tear that Jesus shared when he wept over Jerusalem money from this traffic and relics provided the downland for the University of Wittenberg pilgrims came from miles around for by make in the proper prayers and offerings one could earn indulgences which would cancel out almost two million years in purgatory we see how this is all connected because it was connected to the end down at the university so Martin Luther attacking indulgences he's attacking the very institution that pays him so he's kind of buying the hand that feeds him you should know this is what this quote here is what was the guy's name. Is what'll set. You should know whoever has confessed in his country and put arms in the box and his confessor counsels him will have all of it since forgiven so why are you standing about idly imagine a preacher standing up in church with why are you standing about Ron all of you for the salvation of your souls do you not hear the voices of your dead parents and of the people screaming and saying Have pity on me have pity on me we are suffering severe punishment on pain from which you could rescue us imagine the preacher saying that a G. Y.C. you know he's like you can hear your dead parents screaming in purgatory come your money. The famous quote the Texel said is this one as soon as the coin in the coffin rings the soul from purgatory spring that's one of the box dropped the money being there in heaven so the controversy happened where people went to see Ted still and they bought their indulgences from Ted So then they came to see Luke bar as the local one of the local priest and whatever and they would produce their bill from the the indulgence hey look we just bought this and. I'm like that in that oh what you mean YOUR accept another cause me good money with that and I'm like that in that So the controversy starts between Luther and tensile and then this is the door here. This is not the actual door the door would have been wooden today the door is metal and they've engraved the ninety five pieces on the door but in Luther's they would have been a wooden door on October thirty first which was All Saints Day had written one thousand five statements call today the ninety five theses he wrote now and he took them to the door and nailed them to the door now I don't believe he ever intended it would happen to be what it did but he wrote that post it there then it just kind of blew up and went out of control they were translated into German and they were translated into German that were printed on the printing presses and they were all about Europe and people were like wow he is going to teach or challenging a foundational doctrinal belief of the Catholic Church salute this progression in his south salvific belief is strange even though he nailed the ninety five Theses to this church here is actually this one down the road where he preached from where he preached regularly and he preached a famous sermon in this church called The just shall live by faith based on the text in Romans chapter one and verse seventeen preached at the sermon here in this church now. After the publisher's ninety five the C's the Roman Catholic Church said we're not happy with you and they wrote a papal bull call dominate and signed it on June the fifteen fifteen twenty and it declared that Luther was a wild boar you don't want to Boris's a pig he's a wild pig loose in the vineyard of Christ they condemned Luther as a heretic and demanded that he retracted heresies within sixty days or be X. community created they exhausted all Christians to reject his heresies and to burn his writings and on the tenth of December fifteen twenty the grace period was up salute that was prone to a little bit of drama himself you know the end of the grace period little work he takes the papal ball and publicly burns it in a large bonfire in front of people so loosely you know it was a little bit of a and a little bit of drama in him to a year later he was summoned to the diet of Verne's or worms as would as we say in English he was summoned there the Diet of Worms in this town of Germany this is the Reformation monument there Luther is there in the middle there are the reformers around and it was there and this diet of worms that he was after who detractors believes or stand by them he said that he wouldn't retract them and he would stand by them and after the desire of worms he is condemned he had previously been excommunicated he was condemned again. It was on a trajectory that was a way from Rome now on his way home from the Diet of Worms he was and I say this captured Why do I say he was captured he was literally captured but it wasn't a capture it was it was a rescue so he was on his way home with some of his friends had told him their plan to capture him why to hide him from getting captured by someone else it was kind of like an exciting you know in their mind and being like around in those days OK guys listen. Imagine the plotting to capture the G.C. president so we stop him getting captured by someone else and then he was taken to this this castle and in this castle he stayed in a room but it was a blessing L.-Y. writes that it was a blessing for him in two ways number one it removed him from the heat of the bomb. And then she says Number two it removed him from the constant praise and deletion he had been getting so did two things it removed him from the controversy from those against him and it removed him from the constant praise he was getting from those who liked him and it was a blessing so he was there in this castle but it was while he was here in this castle that he was able to work on I think it was his translation of the German Bible that he worked on while he was there in the war Castle this was his room he grew a beard. Excuse me he grew a beard while he was there to disguise himself and it was here in this room I believe that tables original actually in the whale bone there is like a bone from a whale is original to it was there in the room when he was there anyway at some point is a piece of information but. It was here where he translated the Bible now faith and formulas the reformers Luther was a verse when they spoke about this thing called justification by what faith alone faith what alone it was the idea the faith rather than the sacraments would be the instrument by which willing to Christ and receive the grace of justification is by faith alone you don't have to go to the confessional booth you don't have to pay indulgences you don't have to do all these other things but it's by faith alone Martin Luther and the reformers insisted that the righteousness by which we're justified is inst extra not meaning it's a righteousness outside of us it's not something we can do it's not something we generate but it's external to us now as Adventists that i do we believe this yes or no. Yes we do we don't believe that we can earn or work our way we read that right and this is in a sense outside of us for Rome the righteousness by Christ is not imputed but infused into the believer when the believer cooperates with the infuse righteousness the believer them possesses basically what they're saying is when the believer cooperates with Ackermann's and then send and confession then the believer receives justification we would say no you don't have to do those things to get salvation you get it by faith in God Amen now as Adventists that we've kind of sometimes created almost Adventist versions of Catholic theology where we believe if we do certain things that we believe is a good Adventists we should do we can get a head start in salvation and we have to really think about what our theological framework is to see if we're actually Catholic or biblical those who through sin this is what the Catholic the that the Council of Trent said Council of Trent was a Catholic Council which was instituted after Luther to rectify the mistakes of the Reformation they were trying to you know reverse the Reformation those who through sin have forgotten the grace of justification can again be justified justified when moved by God they exert themselves to obtain through the Sacrament of Penance the recovery by the merits of Christ of the grace of the lost for this manner of justification is restoration for the small and by which the Holy Father has at me called the second plant after the ship of grace last summarizing that to say they're emphasizing their belief in penance as part of justification OK justification is confirmed in baptism the sacrament of faith it can but the righteousness of God who makes us inwardly just by the power of His mercy after this Catholic doctrine of justification which whosoever does not faithfully and firmly accept cannot be justified it seemed good to the Holy Council to add these canons that all may know not only what they must hear and follow but what they must avoid and shun the acts of the penitent him so he contrition confession and satisfaction constitute the manner of this sacrament So we say in order to be justified you've got to be baptized as a child then you've got to do contrition confession and satisfaction to then be justified as an Adventist at what point are you justified we believe by what you have to do first to be declared just in the eyes of God. Like what needs to come first we get to it in as much as by God. OK Next Slide Now. Some people say that the Bible talks about the fruits of repentance what how do the fruits of repentance differ from the Catholic belief of satisfaction contrition confession in the Bible says and produce fruits meet for repentance How does that differ from the Catholic saying part of your justification is to be contrite confess and satisfy God We say fruits meet for repentance let me the illustration that's terrific into a good friend of mine it's got a nice it is written shit on their lips and I'm looking at it is richer than quite like Pastor Eric's it is written sure so I kind of like I don't know he's at the booth and he takes it off and puts another shirt on and I just say you know I'm going to take is an inch or so I take pastorate it or insert to take it to my room because I want to know the uncertain because every once in it is in church I meant for him tonight I'm feeling really guilty feeling really guilty because I stole it it is real in church. So tonight I get on my knees and I say to God Lord forgive me for stealing past Eric it's true it is written shit question and I forgiven by God is another I will point my forgiven but I have to return the shit so I forgive him before we turn the shower after it in the shit I'm forgiven before we turn the church human because the Protestant belief doesn't believe it's kind of you have to phrase it exactly right if I'm truly repentant will I return the shirt yes but I'm forgiven before I return the ship the Catholic belief is different and money forgiven after I return the shit you see repentance without contrition is not genuine repentance. However subtle point true repentance brings forgiveness before restitution is made there's a lot of us that would say I'm not going to I won't be forgiven until I give it back God forgives him before I give it back but giving it back is part of actually being fully sorry it's very fine difference there's a big difference nonetheless restitution satisfies the command of God to pay our human dead but it's not the ground of justification This may sound like a small point but it's not it's a huge point and it was a huge point as part of the Protestant Reformation the Catholics I know you've got to do this do this do this do this do that then you're forgiven and just the Protestant said no we're justified by faith what does it say in the visions For by grace you have been saved what through faith and not of yourself it is a gift of God Not of works less anyone should boast but then the next verse says for we are His workmanship created in cries out untrue or for good works and the Council of Trent held that works before justifying grace cannot marry Grace but after that after justifying grace can marry justification the Protestant Reformation challenge this whole legal istic scheme by contending that no Christian can marry God's favor for Rome grace makes human marriage possible for the reform of grace makes human merit impossible huge difference and it's not a play on words what the Luther say these arguments of the Scholastic is about the member of Congress and worthiness are nothing but vain figures and dreamy speculations of idle folk about worth of stuff yet they form the foundation of the papacy and on them arrested it's very day for this is what every monk imagines he selling you what I imagine by observing the sacred rules of my order I can earn the grace of congregants but by the works I do after I have received this great I can accumulate a merit so great. That it will not only be enough to bring me a turn on life but I can start giving some of this extra grace I've got to other people as well. There is no such thing as merit but all are justified or justified for nothing and this is credited to no one but the grace of God. For Christ alone is proper to help and save others with the merits and works the works of others are of benefit to no one not to themselves either for the statement stands the just shall live by faith Luther said look we cannot work to earn our salvation neither can we give our grace to other people as they come to believe the priest did so the Roman Catholic view was that you have faith plus works leading to justification the reformation of you was that your faith that led you to be justified. And then work followed for the reformation of you with your works were a fruit the Catholic view was that your works were a pre-condition Don't be a Catholic Adventist today Amen for Rome justification written sanctification for the reform of sanctification flows out by necessary connection justification now just a little kind of modern point here you know today some people say that the Catholic Church has bridge the divide with the Lutheran church and they signed a joint declaration one thousand nine hundred nine to say the Roman Catholics in the Lutherans we all love each other and they sign a new one since one thousand nine whether when you look at the small print and it's honest and direct look at the small print when you look at the small print the small print of the nine hundred ninety nine joint declaration on justification said we still up hold the Council of Trent to your justification so in all the frivolous stuff they said actually our view of justification is still what we said of fifteen forty five hasn't changed you know and why says it's the boast of Rome that she never what she never changes as to whether there's anything in the official common statement to the Council of Trent. Cardinal Cassidy said absolutely not otherwise how could we do it we cannot do something contrary to an ecumenical council there is nothing there that the Council of Trent condemns essentially what I'm saying is they have a change of view. So those if they get the history they're in danger of repeating it now let me share with you another person called John Calvin John Calvin came along after Luther he was in many ways a broader think of than Luther he's part of the second generation of reformers he came after Luther he was an important systemize of Protestantism what I mean by that he looked at a much broader list of topics than Luther did he wrote the institutes what they were they were called which covered a lot of the Creed the Lord's Prayer the sacrament the false sacraments of Roman Christian Freedom Initially it was six chapters but it grew over time to be eighty chapters on a huge spectrum of topics now Calvin was a theological genius Calvin said that everything has to be proven by the Bible and yet Calvin with his view on justification or sanctification is not what we would say we believe is adamant this today but he was a great reformer a man and so when we look at these reformers we have to kind of be able to pick pick out the good and strip away the back because the Lord use them all in a different part of the journey back at Calvin kind of got the wrong emphasis in some areas if you go to arm Geneva today this is a pretty impressive wall you can go to it's called the Reformation wall it's about I don't know about one hundred meters long or so and John Calvin's one of the figures there in the middle John Knox is this one you've got Pharrell and bears a who was Calvin successor there in in Geneva Now Calvin had a student called John Knox John Knox spent close to five years in Geneva he led the Scottish Reformation. And he founded the Church of Scotland or what today would be known as the Presbyterian church you have Presbyterian churches all over the world they're bigger in some countries and others Presbyterian Church goes back to John Knox John Knox was a student of John Calvin. And he passed of the St John's Cathedral in Edinburgh as a St John's Cathedral it's a pretty impressive building inside and out now. This man I don't recognize who this is he's not so well known his name is called Jacob Arminius OK Who is Jacob so he was a Dutch guy with a Dutch pastor he was initially a Calvinist he studied under Calvin successor Theodore I should say Beverly sorry. Apple auto correct he returned to Holland he was asked to refute the opinions of Dirk Korn Burt who was a theologian who rejected Calvinism so he sent back to Holland and I said OK your first job is to study and refute this guy he studies to refute this guy and as he's studying to refute this guy he realizes that that guy was right so he clashed with a fellow faculty a mentor called and Jacob Arminius gave his name to our many years I'm a doctrine that many have considered the antithesis of Calvinism Now what are all these isms the one debating with the predestination takes place because the Bible says as predestination amen there were debating what the basis of predestination is the one of the differences this is why I say as an Adventist we are not Calvin Calvinism is based on these five key things the five key things of Calvinism unconditional election that's another word for kind of what we call today predestination limited atonement what does that mean God to Toman is limited to a certain amount of people total depravity irresistible grace and the perseverance of the saints Calvinism one of the key pillars of Calvinism or if you summarize all this up you get the doctrine that they talk about and it's commonly understood as predestination this man's predestined to be saved and this lady is predestined to be lost. Now Jacob Arminius came along and he said No election is not unconditional it's conditional but his election me you know kind of choosing is conditional there is not a limited atonement from heaven but there isn't limited atonement meaning God's grace you heard a sermon in church God grace is for how many people is for all God's grace is for all it's unlimited as opposed to total depravity they believe in the free will or the human ability to choose instead of irresistible grace they actually believe that grace can be resisted and instead of the perseverance of the saints you can actually fall away from grace now these two columns in which one would you say Adventism fits under more the left or the right when the right side right we believe in the unlimited atonement of God free will in this kind of is to believe in irresistible grace or resists that will grace resistable as good as the grace of God It is you can resist it Amen you shouldn't resist it but you can so we form or under the our many ism line we do fall under here as opposed to this one now different denominations are fit under these so the Calvinism is often called when you see reform churches as a Calvinist church OK Presbyterian Calvinism Reformed Baptist Calvinism United Church of Christ Calvinist and the Protestant reform churches of America they are also Calvinism are many and are MANY them United Methodist Wesleyan American Free Will Baptist. Here Church of the Nazareth Adventism would come under here as well as kind of the they are on the branch that we come from so this is Methodist now Methodism I just share a little bit more a method is a method as and was started by a man named John Wesley if you like and you should all go to London once in your life. At least to visit some of the Reformation sites you can go to this place here this is John Wesley's house you just see a clip of it here and this is John Wesley's church and a statue of him now it's an amazing place it's free to visit there's a museum a Methodism there in the basement it's free to visit you have to pay anything that's the best part there on this statue he's got the words the world is my parish there was an arrogant word why did you say the world is my parish is kind of like the belief we have today that were ever you are you should be a witness for God He said The world is my parish wherever I am in the world i should we witnessing and be a minister for Christ there I can't be on holiday here and be a minister here I'm a minister everywhere I go so he said The world is my parish now this is the home where John Wesley was born in is in a town of another village about what it was a home of the Wesley's John Wesley was a P.K. of what we call today a pastor's kid he wasn't his dad there wasn't a like pastor in this village of Epworth one of his church members allegedly we believe it was one of his church members who didn't like him set fire to his house as you do and set fire to John Wesley's house he was born and he was sleeping in the up stairs room his parents managed to get everyone out the house they forgot about him or couldn't get to him so they had to kind of build a human ladder and they pulled him out the window at the age of five His mother said about John Wesley she would often refer to him as a brand plucked from the fire I believe this had a profound influence on John John Wesley's mind and he believed that he was kind of on this world for something more. Important than just to live as everyone else was living John Wesley. Went to school and this is his house you can see different things there about his house. As a preacher Rohter John Wesley went to school in the town called Oxford of the university he went to Christ Church collets. Excuse me. In his house this is his bedroom you can go to his bedroom it's not his original bed they don't believe. But his bed would have been there there's his writing desk that is a original it original writing desk hero he was a great inventor there's a kind of some electrical machine in there that he invented. This is a chair that he kind of invented It's an old cockfighting chair you see the you would see it you can see both ways you can see it with your legs they're facing that way or you can turn and just never have it as a normal chair that he put this little thing here as well so he could sit there arms on the side and then he could right there so it was a desk and also it was a chair he was quite an ingenious man he was only a short man he was five foot three. He spent some time here in America actually some of you may know he came over here but he wasn't very successful in his ministry here in America George Whitfield one of his companions or compadres was much more successful spent a lot of time in America John Wesley though it didn't spend very long and went back to England after not too long in his house though you can see this room this is two pictures of the same in his house there's a bedroom that you can go through them sort of through his bedroom and there's a room here it is prayer room he built a room on the end of his house just to pray and that's I mean that's profound I don't know about you if you own a house or your parents' own house maybe but today people build extensions on their house to have a pretty house to have a ball in the garden to have a three car garage instead of a coupe two car garage to renovate the kitchen because the old kitchen is just terrible and we need a new kitchen or whatever we spend money on all types of things today John way John Wesley spent money on an extension on his house just so he could have like of three meter by two meter room dedicated to be in his prayer room which I believe was a lesson for us today you can see it there on the back of the house it's kind of a ugly protrusion but many people say this is the power house of Methodism he is buried there behind the building but Methodism goes back to his university here in Oxford he goes back here here at this university this is Christ Church College it's an amazing building but you know what people visit today for this is like where John with a studied John Wesley studied here Charles Wesley studied here profound name studied here tourists go to Oxford today and visit Christchurch college because it's where they filmed Harry Potter. And so goes modern society anyway there's a stairwell there with a film something in Harry Potter but John where John Wesley went here while he was a student here in these halls at Christ Church College very impressive architecture beautiful building while he was a student here at. College they set up a campus Bible study if any of us students here on a university campus whether it's an Adventist campus or a nonevent this campus I would encourage you to get involved while your sweater is not university maybe as high school get involved in a Bible study while you're on campus this Bible study was started not actually by John Wesley it was started by Charles Wesley Charles Wesley started it because he came from a very spiritual home and many Adventists can relate to that he came from a very spiritual home then he went to Oxford University and while he was studying Oxford University he lost his way for some time spiritually speaking as a guy just not really spiritually active so what he did he said I need some friends that are agree with me and we can be accountability partners Let's start a Bible study group together so they started a Bible study group now they never picked a name for themselves but some of the names that they were given by other people was the holy Cup That's the most common one the holy club they never picked out for themselves. That we quite arrogant name to call itself Hey what's your name with all the club and they never call themselves the holy club or the people who gave that to them some people call them the Bible moths. Whatever that is men Sacramento area because they took communion every week or the people didn't believe you had to do it every week and the Methodists the one that struck while they were a school was called the holy club and then later on later on they would be called the Methodists initially as a campus ministry what do they do to be in this camp to be in this group like it's almost like what did you have to do to sign up well they have to every Wednesday and Friday until three pm is a good thing to do maybe took communion once a week as adamant as we do once a quarter but there's nothing in the Bible and I want to say as we do it once a quarter they took it once a week they studied the Bible every night they visited the sick and imprisoned and they would try and live a holy life this is what they would do in this campus ministry every night they would study the Bible together now they called the holy then later on They'd they got called White of the people the Methodists they would call the method this because they lived a very methodical life. They methodically studied the Bible and they methodically did good things people say well it wasn't spontaneous they would go visit the prison on this day they will go visit the poor house on this day of is it whatever on this day it was very much for the call the way they did it both in their practice and in their study but notice some of the questions that they asked the society members they were to about twenty questions that they would ask and here are some of the questions am I consciously is I like John Wesley's questions I might consciously or unconsciously creating the impression that I am better than I really am in other words am I a hypocrite now as a region of these questions I believe these questions in some ways are very profound and the questions that we should ask of our spiritual life today John Wesley and his campus ministry they would ask their members it was like the charter and you guys check it out to you know where are we on the scale you see whereas we came from the belief as we mentioned a few minutes ago of our many as are many ism believes in free will many years I'm believes in resistible Grace are many of them believe that you have to accept Christ yourself and you don't just get it by a birthright and so he says you have to constantly be examining your soul where you stand with God now as Adventists we believe that too you know Paul a text of Paul that we often quote in our churches is I die what Daily Meaning our spiritual life has to be renewed every day just because you went for an appeal or G Y C This morning doesn't mean that's good for tomorrow just because you got baptized three years ago doesn't mean that's good for next year like it's something that has to happen on a daily basis a constant renewing and so these are questions that they would ask and I consciously or unconsciously create an impression about them I'm number two I am honest in all my action words or do I exaggerate some of us are prone to exaggeration them and I were used to work as an evangelist and sometimes as a vendor's would always get accused of exaggerating exaggerating things some of it is always exaggerate or there was one hundred people in other words and it was like fifteen. Well there are so many. And I exaggerate do I confidentially passed on to another what was told to me in confidence I can tell you something our schools our universities our churches would be much more peaceful and righteous places if we followed Number three there's so many church issues and problems and school issues and problems and college issues and problems but down to number three and sometimes we do in a righteous way a slight prayer meeting people read it I can't say anything but we need to pray for someone so but what is it I can say will you just created this huge impression of doubt and suspicion and then you now take the moral high ground but you can't say anything now that was not so bad the one that I really gets me is when people come to me and say hey I heard and then they tell you something about yourself is what really irks me and then you say well who told you this about me and they all can tell you I'm like your gonna take the moral high ground now oh the project someone else while you were gossiping yourself is like a whole contradiction of ethics anyway to a confidentially pass on to another what has been told to me in confidence can I be trusted am I a slave to dress friends work or habits these would be good questions we ask ourselves I wake up in the morning what's most important what we wear what my face looks like my hair looks like or my soul with God and myself conscious self pitying or self-justifying did the bible live in me today do I give it time to speak to me every day you know we can be get so much in the zone of Adventism sometimes that we don't actually actually spend time with the Bible we just spent time around the Bible like let's not be here A G Y C be around spiritual people be around spiritual themes be around the Bible spoken and don't actually spend time with the Bible ourself personally it's a shame when the only time we may read a Scripture is when we turn to the scripture reading on Sabbath morning. If we do turn and ask ourselves the question number nine am I enjoy in prayer or is it a routine and these are like profound questions this was like their standard that they would ask I think if we would ask ourselves this question every Sabbath morning it would be good when did I last speak to someone else about my faith when their last speak to someone else you're speaking about our faith we sometimes have to get ourselves out of our comfort zone and then you know recently we just had Christmas whether you believe in Christmas and I believe in Christmas we have Christmas the world had it and my wife said this year that she wanted to like bake some cookies and give them twenty years and like it's like I don't know big deal baking cookies and give them to your neighbors but I'm like I'm in England we don't do that in England maybe in America they do I don't know maybe you do maybe you don't but like and all of a sudden I start to feel really uncomfortable about knocking on someone's door and saying Merry Christmas here's some cookies we are neighbors you know and it was kind of a shame and I start to think how can I go and preach somewhere to people I've never met and I can't knock on the house across the road and say Merry Christmas to you on the spot every time and I think we have to ask ourselves those questions Am I speaking to someone about my faith or my building bridges with other people do I pray Here's number eleven that's an important one do I pray about the money I spent John Wesley was a big believer in frugal living most of John Wesley's ministry was in the working class communities in England if you know England is very divided by class about working class middle class and upper class and never the twain shall meet or mix or move between and he would minister mainly to the working classes and many people believe many people believe. How to frugally live their lives how to not waste their money on drink and other types of things and how to live these rules in their life. Many people believe that England was spared a revolution in the seventeen hundreds that France had we all talk about the French Revolution England had the same social societal conditions as France had and yet while France had their revolution England had a second Reformation is profound and it was John Wesley's work with the working class communities the very people who would have been the backbone of our revolution for if the injustices of society that England I believe were spared the revolution that would have come. And instead of having a revolution they had a revival and the revival was based on these questions that Methodism was built on that I believe saved England a bloody revolution that scarred France then and still scars it today do I get to bed on time and get up on time Amen as a good one do I disobeyed God anything do insist on doing something about which my conscience is an easy am I defeated in any part of my life Question Number Sixteen am I jealous impure critical irritable touchy or distrustful these are good questions for us to ask ourselves about our current spiritual state as to where we stand how do I spend my spare time that's a key question to ask how to spend a spare time today and how we spend our spare time today in two thousand and seventeen is different to how we spent our spare time in two thousand and seven which was different to how we spent it in one thousand nine hundred seventy and is different in one thousand nine hundred seventy there's a whole different challenges that society has today that just suck up our time that people didn't even have five or ten years ago how to spend us what are we doing in our spare time what is our mind thinking on Am I proud do I thank God that I am not as other people especially as the Pharisees who despise the public or is there anyone whom I fear dislike disown criticize hold a resentment toward or disregard if so what am I doing about it you know in church we have Communion once a quarter and communion is kind of put in there in the program of the church to deal with this one. If there's someone in church you don't like the communions earth you know why so you don't want to free your friend you go wash the feet of the person you really don't like because then you actually build a bridge and is but unfortunately the communion that's the Sabbath that many people like oh OK I'm sick this Sabbath because you want to avoid that and instead of going to the motion we just kind of sometimes their way but is there someone I don't like or dislike I criticize or hold a resentment toward maybe there's someone here edgier I see maybe someone in your church group that you've come of that you just don't like you don't want to sit next to in the many of us who don't want to sit next a meal time by churches are built on people they don't like each other not built for them they're made of people look at the older generation there's all these fights that go on between the older generation says the Son so hates this is so and so and it goes back to something that happened in one hundred seventy two and they just don't like each other now as the younger generation we often just repeat that same think and the church is a repeat of these problems generation after generation these are questions we should ask as a litmus test as to where our faces do I grumble or complain constantly is Christ real to me you know because they live like this that people made rhymes about these guys and I think the rhymes are incorrect but you know they were like by rule they do eat by rule they drink by rule do all things but think and this was people mocking them I don't think if you ask the questions to kill be unloving how do we spend their time I don't believe that is not thinking I believe that thinking about your spiritual life you know. John Wesley. On this statue here by grace are you saved work through faith John Wesley didn't believe in me and working our way to heaven now Adventism today is built largely on a Methodist Armenian heritage OK. We've kind of adapted it some it's not exactly the same as them because we understand the heavenly sanctuary we understand Christ high priestly ministry we understand the Atonement and the judgment there's other factors we understand that they don't understand but we come largely from that heritage not as these verses we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works I just want to close on this one point here in Matthew twenty five you ask these questions then the writer say Lord Lord when did we see you hungered and thirsted or or thirsty and gave you drink when did we see a stranger and took the UN or naked enclosure or when do we see you sick or in prison and came to you and then the king says Verily verily I say into you in as much as you've done it to the least of these my breath when you've done to me OK to the righteous know that there righteousness on them but that is recognize what they did they don't even know they did it is that when do we do that all when you we should not do good as a litmus test and remember every time we did good issue be so much a part of who we are that we can remember is just part of who we are unfortunately though today we live in a very self-help culture where the whatever and we don't like to really help other people and we only want to help other people if we can know that our help for them is going to make an eternal difference in their life I think sometimes God calls us to help these type of people just so we know what it felt to be like Jesus to help people and they don't thank you to help people and you help seem to go to waste notice the Contras Matthew twenty five Matthew seven in Matthew seven it is not everyone this is Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he that does the will of my father many will say to me that the Lord will have been a prophesied when a cast of devils in your name that many wonderful works then will best you I never knew Depart from me you have done iniquity there's a contrast in Matthew seven you've got a group of people who say Lord it we did this and this and this and he says I don't know you in Matthew twenty five they say Lord when did we do this and is it all all then then and then in Matthew twenty five they don't know what they're doing in Matthew seven they remember what did in Q seven this is all public ministry. Prophesies preaching healing in Matthew twenty five that's all the stuff that no one see. Today don't do evangelism because people see it and it's a contrast in Matthew seven is the people say a lot I did every think preaching and healing so I don't know you in Matthew seven twenty five these people have an idea and this is all the private stuff you know feeding the homeless for the private stuff what is shown true religion doesn't seek award true salvation and evidence of Christ living in our heart is not seeking fame it's not seeking the limelight it's not seeking recognition from earthly people it's just doing it because that's what Christ has done for us I pray that we would be Matthew twenty five Christians and that we have a theological understanding as to the inheritance we have from the different people in the Reformation our faith that we have today that God wants us to have needs to be a faith that we really were saved by faith but after were saved by faith we live a life that serves or the people and shows evidence of Christ in our lives by widespread Father in Heaven Lord we pause to thank you for how the progression of thought through the years has shaped. Our heritage and shape who we are today I pray the Lord that you would bless us and not as we look at the different questions that the holy club or the Methodist Church used to ask just over two hundred years ago questions that still hold supremum relevance for our lives today Lord May we meditate on some of these things that stick out in our minds and we ask Lord Holy Spirit would continue to impress us with where we need. To lay things aside with where we need to draw closer to you. Coming to pray in Bless us we ask in Christ human disaster noon our next presentation in this is going to be cold. I hail to die off we're going to look at some of the issues in the past that people lived and died for and then look at some of the issues today that we may as a church have to live and make a stand on that's going to be the first presentation the second one is going to be called the foundation of all freedom and it's going to be as going to look at the progression of belief through the Reformation and the different people on religious liberty and where we stand as a people today and what I hear at the edges so God bless you have a good lunch and hope to see you later. This message was recorded at the G Y C twenty seventeen conference arrives in Phoenix Arizona. She wants to support the ministry of the Seventh Day Adventist Church seeks to inspire young people to be bible be just Christ centered and so when Christians to download purchase other resources like this visit us online at W W W dot she Y.C. Web dot org.


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