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Panel: Establishing and Maintaining Industries

Steve Dickman Denzil McNeilus Rusty McKee Steve Blackburn




  • February 9, 2018
    10:00 AM


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So the first thing this morning I want to do just so you know where we're headed with this and hopefully we can work together to gain as much as possible in our short time together I want to set the stage for why we believe this topic is important. And we've got the next two seminar periods to kind of drill down into investigating how we can better. Do. Industry in our institution and so we'll use that time Secondly in just a moment I will give an introduction to our panel members that we haven't by to become helpless with. But before I do that I just want to set the stage by same industry is a part of God's plan of education and I want to prove that to you this morning before we start by reading one verse of scripture. I only need really one verse of scripture to substantiate this now we should never make a doctrine out of one verse of Scripture right. But this verse of scripture sets the stage for education and it sets the stage for education in such a way that it talks about industry now you might not have known that this verse is in the Bible but it is and so it's found in the very beginning of the Bible in Genesis chapter two and verse. I see Genesis chapter two and verse fifteen and this is what it says in fact the entire plan of education is in this verse so you don't need to be ever confused somebody ask you but what does the Bible say about education say go read Genesis to me that's what it says about it occasion in the beginning and the word God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it so school happened. God was the teacher Adam and Eve were the students so he had the Word of God He put them in nature and he gave them useful work to do so the concept of industry comes to us as a God ordained institution from day. Well seven maybe six. He created the garden you know he was in the process of creating the garden from day one so you could say he was creating the industry now we have a school from Romania here this morning and they created their industry before they started their school and that's the biblical model God created the garden before he brought in the students OK. So if you're thinking about which Baker family I want to call them out but they're thinking about starting a school right and we were just talking together last night he's looking at me with his eyes wide open I did this guy just say that. Well we were talking about industry as a foundation OK So God we're doing this from the very beginning to have useful work and industry associated with education so this is not a foreign concept don't think you're off on another planet somewhere you are right on target with God's plan for education each day where does he say fit in this why are we even doing this because we believe in the model of education that has been given to us in the Bible in the spirit of prophecy and has has as fulfilled or as best modeled for us through the Madison school Madison booth right over here you can research that to your heart's content there's a lot of stuff out there at one point in time Madison had twenty five twenty six industries in operational functional making money for the school helping the school giving places for the young people to be trained and providing services to the school and the community and functional industries. Yes we do I say on our campus that we've got. Three But it's really only one honesty of a nursing home we have a farm with a bakery and a radio station so it could be four but really there's only one industry that provides most of our substantial income because that's the nursery OK So just that's the states that's why we do this that's why Ysaye is here Ysaye was developed by the supporting ministry schools to help preserve the Madison model of education and carry that to the world and so we're here this morning our topic is industry in schools how do we do that how do we market that how we talk about that we've got the director of education from the inner European division is that going to get it right here with us this morning we've got schools from Romania here we've got people that just thinking about starting something we've got institutions that are more mature collector how long so something educational over one hundred years wow you know so there's there's that right on down to the world we live in today where people are saying I want to start something I just returned from. Brazil where we did the O.C.I. conference and people Charles star was there presenting the history of the supporting ministry work and people were coming up and they were saying we want to start something so he's gone you know. They said we need some help and he said well praise God. When you say spread kind of then right now we will help you in any way that we can and so this morning topic industry in the setting of education we have three panel members that have been invited to help us dental McNelis right here then so would you just share with the group what is your connection to. This organization where how did you I mean you know. Oh so we have a graduate of one of our suborning Ministry School right here. What how what impact did that experience have on you and your life. Oh oh yeah we're recording so I'm sorry OK try to keep your microphone Various that I receive Lucrece I use that continuously there's always the things that have gone on the. Record. And so how do you put a value to that plus I mean I went there. OK. You know I don't know what I don't know how you could if you could. Wonderful experience that I had. Heard I mean thinking I mean thinking actually so I I'm not a banker looks at the present find the dark clouds blue sky we're always looking at what the hell where we can get in trouble and it's going to be it look at why this is fail and I said that a lot of time on that and make sure that quiet when I'm looking at loans and new opportunities and and so that's what we spend our time on. That's how we make a living we want to do loans and that's where we get our income. So just a little more background. And so you were involved in a different kind of industry before you got in the banking industry. What kind of industry just help little bit about our family are built concrete mixers and garbage trucks and. We are blessed we started with my father started with nothing sickly. Came to earth with the newspaper said that he wanted to wait three people he did tell the newspaper that one was in. And started by the stretch of imagination a ready mix plants concrete and it's a long it's a kind of a it's a one story but we started he started to use truck business that when it's a new trucks and then couldn't get Marv's was or Bill or. Then you couldn't get product so it started to miss on concrete mixer and through that we were really less orders and back from the world. And then we got to we got almost eighty percent of the U.S. market and. Then you know you've got to diversify you've got to grow as a company can never stays the same it's going to continually grow and so we look at what we know how to do one of the problems is people jump out a lot of industries and think only thing about it and they usually are here I mean they lose money and go broke so we went into things that we used you know we had Rolex trucks so we started building garbage and got involved in government truck business and we were then we sold our business and we were also in the finance business we did finance you know. A mixer for us and that's where I got to understand a little bit about banking and look diversification and walk a little bank and in the side it was just about side of town and. You know what that we were at. We bought it was twenty six million ounces today we're three hundred seven S. So we've been really blessed by growing growing well. With one office to the nines So we we've gone through a lot of different. Businesses things like that so thank you dancehall that gives you a little idea of the level of expertise of the people you're talking to so rusty. You come to us from just a little bit north of here not far out tell us about your background in industry. It's also told the history of that and then for those who might not know who are part of a family that is incredibly health nuts we haven't make a lot of cookies and cakes so let's go back into history it's very interesting that back in the thirty's when my grandfather was going to Southern Junior College here in college still that. Him and many others recognize that in those years he didn't have plastic plastic when the belt until the fifty's or someone that Bret is so brilliant still pretty quick morphing pretty quick so there's the daily bread which is you know. Who connection to grid. So those a dozen were breadmakers trying to make bread every single day. Those you when you're sat with a young girl sugar to it made a dessert Also you can every day of rest and oddly enough I have about two pages of a two page spread sheet with literally a couple dozen seven they have his own sweet goods sweet bakeries that were commercial These are large commercial bakeries that existed in the forty's and fifty's and since then there's not as many as they used to be. And so that's a little bit of our history a lot of folks don't realize that's how a family that's hashed about the health message of this of them stores. And this is where he's been there ten years and that he weather's. And then. And then Oh but you know it's interesting you mention about the struggle over getting somebody who's really has been about what they understand I draw links still talk about. For Mike my grandparents. My grandfather was passion about selling you know it's new or baking. Nature My grandmother was like a business mind behind an operation she wanted to be a teacher she never got to be what she wanted to be that she needed help support has is she was gracious in doing that but they went twenty seven years never going more than two years. In the black before going into really good so they knew anyway they fail fail fail every other year every third year twenty seven years of. It really wasn't until the. Around one thousand six hundred that several things happened during her brain and the family pack at that point you know would have individually wrapped products in a carton all together. Created profit sharing for all employees not just salary but hourly case they had a profit. And the most powerful thing was when my dad and this my grandpa if they made a profit. That he that the business not just personally but the business will pay a ten percent time. And from that point on this. Making took all of. Her during the seventy's especially dealt double digit growth just phenomenal. And so so we do say the Lord's blusters many ways the best blessings ever given is one cool Gotta love your ways God and so care concern and was in vigil for safety said. And you can stewards and. So get this kind of feeling you know we make a lot of cookies and you are crazy about it. The rest I don't think if I remember correctly you didn't want to be supporting ministry schools but I know you've seen them in operation over the years and. Been very passionate about seeing education happen just tell us a little bit about your passion for education your mission welcome all the one aspect about and he's or I should say Mr Dia with a little creek OK so we would go up and visit a little tree growing it was good and it was neat to see how all the students were they had a job on the farm of gals in fact that's where my first count was a little bit right now OK. There. Is I want to go back to this Bible verse in Genesis that you gave is so when was it that God put Adam and Eve in the garden to tins and the work was that before or after said before the horse and where in the world in academia can you learn the hard work. You cannot learn the hard work I think in academia with books in the classroom the only willing to learn the hard work I think is the work and so my passion for Arsenal supporters schools especially is that we never give up the opportunity of allowing our students to learn that we sing them or nowhere else in life is the work and if we can make work fun that's great and sometimes work isn't. A matter that's true all right anything else rest you want to share about. So Steve you come to us this morning as the business director for C.F.O. or College Hill Academy and tell us a little about your history in the work of education and helping to manage the business side of. Thank you it's it's good to be here. Actually I went to community college not Washington Adams university not a product of the self-supporting schools I graduated Shenandoah Valley Cademy in Virginia and actually when I left I dreamed of going back to work at my Cademy my folks had met there. My children in a bin or generation. And so it was home for me in a lot of ways and the war didn't leave me there for a very long time but when I finished that coming in college I had been given an opportunity to start working in the business office and. State six years post-graduation working for my alma mater. One of the Finance Committee members owned and operated a captive insurance company which is kind of insurance administers management as a captive insurance company for the seventy seven church and he offered me an opportunity to leave. C.C. and start to work with him as his C.F.O. I was very difficult choice for me because I had envisioned a life working for the church and is very much enjoying the ministry mission and emphasis that we had there. He had left the don't conference and started this company and so helped me in that transition and I spent fourteen years there actually as he retired I was able to take his place as the C.E.O. of this insurance company. I thought I was set I thought this was the trajectory of my career we were very involved in church ministry from outside of work and as our kids started to get towards that high school age we were struggling with what to do and what would be our next step we had we were my wife and I were lifelong Washingtonians and so there were a lot of choices we had to decide in and I remember my wife saying one evening you know you've always talked about going. Back to work or economy that would probably make this decision a lot easier maybe we should pray for that and I will tell you that while I had never felt a. Weakness in my faith for my passion for the ideas church not sure that we believe that the whole handwriting on the wall happened in these last times that that that was an Old Testament story and in that we were you know. Not doomed but destined to use our faculties to make choices and the Lord open closed doors that often wasn't clear you just had that great of you done the right thing and so he said well you know I've been out of the church for curve fourteen years. They've forgotten me I'm not getting called anymore you know there's there's none of that kind of connection maybe maybe we should pray for that if we got a call that would certainly be something that maybe we would pick up for years and say that something that maybe the Lord is asking us to do took three days and we got a call to Shenandoah Valley Cademy is the business manager which was my fantasy job I didn't have the I don't have the teaching bug but I passionately to Taishan believe in it's a painless to school the opportunity to mold his was just something that I felt strongly about so I left my company called my board chairman told him I was retiring to a rural community working my way down the corporate ladder and he was very supportive because family is you know family in ministry is important so I spent some years there and that's where I got. Reacquainted with industry the work opportunity you know I was fortunate even without a background in in the self-supporting side to come up through the school system in the seventy's when work was still a component when work was still an important part I remember I needed to work it was the only way we could order my family for me to stay at the school so we requested realizing how much it changed in twenty plus years and how culture it started to infiltrate that whole idea industry and work. I spent some time there had an opportunity to join adventurous management back at your conference building because the. Insurance background that I had was something apartment well and there were a lot of insurance questions that actually worked for the church and so I used that opportunity again every time thinking that that's where I'm going to end up finishing my career. My kids came to Southern They settled in this area once married and and we were feeling that distance and they called us one day and said you know the greater cultural school system C.F.O. has just decided he's leaving you've been bugging us to move your direction maybe you should move here and again we went through a season of prayer and say you know education draws me back every time I leave How about we and it's just that passion for being on humans and so we put our or our paperwork through in doors opened in the back here my four school year here in College Dale first time I've lived in this area for some of the more than two hours away from the Washington D.C. area so it's a bit of a cultural change and it's a lot hotter than I like I would prefer the cooler side of things but. That's that's what brought me here in the school system has about seven hundred fifty students at skate as well as well. It's very different animal than university or boarding school you know Day School constituent church members and lots of things to learn but that's that's an Securitas route right here so you can see this morning that we have wide diversity of experience represented and if we went around the room this morning here we would even add to that level of experience with people who have been engaged in school industry some for a few years some for it longer and the experiences they have had so as we talk about this topic we want to engage you as well so if you come to the point we have a microphone here if you have questions. We want to consider those questions as a part of this discussion today because the objective is very practical today we believe that industry is a part of education and it's given to us in the Scriptures from the beginning we live in a very complex world today but how do we still do industry and have it be a part of education in the way that God would have us to and so that's what we're discussing today I'm hoping and praying that as we discuss it has got impresses you with a burning question that you will ask it and feel free to ask it and we can journey through this together and learn something that we can take home and put into practice not just a theoretical thing but some things that we can actually take home and put into practice now as we begin this morning I want to ask Rusty a question and pick on rescue this morning because he shared something with me he said I brought some gifts this morning and rescue you brought a piece of paper and you showed me your piece of paper and he said maybe we can pass these out even before I want you just to talk a little bit about why did you bring us this gift and what does it mean to you in the context of education industry. OK so I have a comical side to my personality and so as I walked in and I was telling the gentleman I said you know I don't think I have to have this conversation but I brought some gifts so at least I'll leave something for somebody but I do have a passion for for this this naming year because I think so often in our church we get so easily distracted that I think it's important to remind ourselves why we exist and so here's a statement it says in a special sense seven PM of us have been set in the world as watchman and white bears to them has been intrusted the last warning to a piercing world this is the last warning there is no warnings after this this is it. And yet Lord is what intrusted my question to you and to myself as should the Lord have trusted us in the first place probably not. Is their time to regain that trust absolutely on them as a shining wonderful light from the Word of God that one right there I passionately again because on him is the sign wonderful life and the Word of God there the Israelites here they say they have the truth. Yeah but were they like those in the sense that were falling me so many ways on the Israelites on them on earth does is this shining wonderful light in the Word of God kind of like the moon how much light does the moon give off. Whatever it reflects it just reflects a dirty old rock up there in the sky in many ways the Israelites and the way we. All been is fall and we're just a dirty stone but the beautiful things God has his uniform shining light that reflect all of us if the Israelites only maintain these words right here and maybe not we got the real heart they had this so distracted nothing special about the special about does just that message the truth is they have the given to work of the most solemn import. A Proclamation of the first second in what third in just message and then the next two lines just really strike me so strong to the heart. There is no other what work so great in Orton's they are to laugh out of nothing else to absorb their attention so when you think about all the things that as a church we get distracted with how often do we come back to the parent nation of why we're or we're here I get a bit further off track. And I can easily do that that's why it's easier to meet better passes somebody else of. Have you ever seen the Beverly Hillbillies like Mexico. You know we don't want to middle doing we don't want to admit it oh um long story short I found the Beverly Hillbillies Bible studies it's a three series looking around twenty five pages and I've sent it to a few people and we kind of snicker you kind of laugh you watch a twenty minute sitcom black and white it will have beliefs then you go to the bible studies what was judged character life she had plenty of it was a trustworthy and seems a nice we don't want to miss it yeah he was trustworthy It was a con when you consider it was a pothole you know honest so somebody will look through that Bible study again it's a great recipe but it doesn't have it doesn't have this one coming across and have the three hundred messages and have seen that it had the sanctuary in my next question for them is it last year how many summers did you hear it was specifically on those four things five things you just mentioned my response is You must be going to Beverly Hillbillies some of them start. How often are we getting off track because so many the Dawkins' of this turd perfectly aligned to the first second for ages now if we would get off track. Would be carry on we're gonna trust is a myth. So I happened to have such a passion happen to have them there's a lot of the books I just got a new book. Robert Grenier in St Paul he's not sure this one here screened is one message by John T. interest and Interestingly each of those you present enquire first including innocence and only using the Bible he knew this any person who believes the Bible is truth is truth and the whole person needs and that's why I think this. Is a thank you rescue appreciate that so I got this record so. So this this morning though you have brought us back to track because when I heard you saying yes we have a message for the world that was given to us by divine mandate just like we have a planet cation that was given to us by divine man the plan of education is actually to prepare young people to share this message with the we're so these things are just all high tech gathering don't try to tear apart separate if we do not prepare a generation of young people who can share this message with the world we have failed in our mission and following God's plan for education is the only way that we have any chance him and plans it's done we're toast it already if we will do our best to follow God's plan we may have at least we have the confidence knowing that it's not our problem at that point. So. It fits right with what we're talking about we have institutions and industries to train young people to take this message to the world and my passion is to see it happen and this generation because this is the generation I love it and I want to be alive when Jesus. And so thank you Rusty for sharing that with us. We're going to really get to the topic now maybe. Maybe we're on the topic. You know maybe we're on the topic already but we're going to talk specifically some now about industry itself then so you were raised in an institutional setting. At Little Creek with your schooling there how did industry work on that campus because I for one I have a lot of confidence in Professor strong who ran for Brook is a great man of God who I want to tell you know experience I had with him he came to our institution one time for some kind of a seminar we were doing and he got out his book I was immediately. And what he was about to say and but what I was trying to figure out how he could even use. It was the book education and the pages were literally coming out of the book it was not like OK you know you had to be careful with this book and he opened up his book and it was there were no pages that didn't look like they had been read they were marked they were highlighted there was no there was I think there's a couple rubber bands holding the book together so then so tell us what was the what was the concept the idea of industry that you went away with from that setting first of all I think. And I'm sure some you do this in your schools but our first English class was the book education they missed drug taught us was education those the first thing we went through was education as fresh and that really had an impact on you back I could still to this day. Memorization that I learned from the straw. What industry did is it needed need to get what I believe were rounded you point of the world because I was able to go to different industries back then we had no more than two per Bacco the number in industry we we work a half a day went to school happen day we work six hours on Sunday. And and it was a real blessing because and the other part of it was you couldn't get the same job twice every semester you switched jobs you always went to different industries and that was such a blessing because I got to learn how to work in a dairy and learned I never want to work it. But I also learned how to plant wheat and I learned how to harvest the we learned how to grind the week we learned how to bake bread you know so. Process all the way through you know we had we had a dairy we had a chickens where you got a work in that part you know my rows were definitely not straight you know I learned how to do bakery learned how to work with concrete which every knew from my own business but I had to do that I learned how to plumb you wiring I mean we roughed I did all those those work worked in a nursing home here in this we call the back then love that work. So I had a really rounded education and you can realize I came from a factory background so I was used to dealing with people that were you know that worked worked hard for a living when my dad calls it a working man. And you know and you know they were nad then it's OK we're not as a lot like and like we said they know every four letter word except so. And but these men were really hardworking nice gracious they were they really were really want to cure their family that they were and I talk about factory workers I worked with. Manufacturing at that time were just building parts but I'll never forget I was with up straw and I remember we're doing supply me and I was just him and I working together double and I remember a paper it slipped and I needed he is need and I mean he did I mean he started two years coming down as I guess with her without her and I never were so impressed because every time I ever heard that from any place else I heard a whole line of back adjectives that went on forever and here. Is the earth and all he just says tears running down his eyes that her that really hurt and walk around you know to get the pain off. That had such an impact on me as a student that I just I've never seen him so eventually I hear you saying several things I hear you saying the impact came from teachers working with students Yes And I think that's a foundational principle that we need to do better at as institutions honestly where students and teachers are working together every day I hear you saying that there was a variety that you learned not just one thing but a number of different skills during. A very interesting. So I want to take into this now and I want to go to Stephen I want to ask you Steve you've been in the business side of book keeping side let's make it work financially side and you seen school industry more from that perspective maybe share with us today what do you see. And I know that the school you're working at right now does not have an industry base necessarily but as we're talking I felt your passion immediately to say yes I believe this should be and when you said you were shown to do a valley What do you see as some of the criteria that maybe they did were missing something because it's not prevalent in most of our schools and even the ones that we do have we're going to be very honest today most of our industries that we do have are struggling that's the reality what are we from your perspective what are we missing what are the things that you would say are key to this that maybe we're missing a cog years well it's I think each decade each generation. Gets more challenging from from a number of perspectives popular culture and expectations that families have for their children. Regulation things that we didn't maybe deal with in the fifty's or the seventy's or you know. My experience with the industries that we did have in order to catch me we really struggled with. Work walks enough time because of the requirements of the academic side and I'm sensitive to what Rusty said which is that we learn in so many different ways academia is important in the textbooks and the reading is important but we. Gotten out of balance with that as the state as different educational associations require more and more things even between two children that were three years apart my son's high school experience was so much more academic than even my daughters simply because they added another science another history these are not important subjects and anyway but at some point the daily schedule becomes so jammed with academic that we struggled and again this is now fifteen years ago we struggled with trying to get enough time set aside for a student to actually gainfully in work how do you how do you how do you go out by the time you prep and you get started and then an hour later you're stopping and you're shutting down and you're moving you know I had the opportunity to work a printing press I work with in a press shop and well before the ease of the computer side of things and this is going in the ink in the press making metal plates you know I learned from them thinking about what I learned from the mistakes I made. The grace that I got from Mentor supervisors the times when I didn't you know in you you kind of went back and said OK I want to be that kind of supervisor again. Where. If I don't clean the press if I don't refer to try to take some shortcuts way tomorrow it's going to be gummed up and it's going to be worst and I'm going to pay that price literal things I was able to learn just in that one I had a couple of different opportunities. But that took a lot of time I couldn't go over there for an hour between classes and then jump back when you were hours and hours to get set up run a reasonable run of printing and then clean up and go back and so I think as parents more and more of us expect our children to be professionals they have to. Study for the S.A.T. they have to make sure they're going to succeed get in the best you know schools the best colleges the best and and that starts to compress what parents and students expect of their work of their day and I think work has been one of the casualties of that because I mean we routinely would talk with families that would come in and some of them were able to put down a year's worth of Jewish and their argument was I don't need my child to work. Because I want them to study I want them to do well I mean you know they're going to be a professional and we would say you're missing the opportunity you know first of all it wasn't by policy allowed and that was a real challenge when you have families that have already paid and don't need the income side he said you know there's a there's a discipline there's a responsibility that they learn. We really struggle and again this is fifteen twenty years ago. Now we just have that many more requirements that make I think the work opportunities much more difficult to manage from the from you know from the management side then you add regulation and you think of child labor laws you think of what some of our boarding schools are going through right now that are trying to you know they had that reproach patient where they work in the morning school need afternoon and I believe Georgia is really really struggling because you know child labor laws don't allow fourteen fifteen year olds to work during the school day well how do you define the school day by the public school structure it's everywhere. And so you know we're we're our model has become uprooted by regulations now is that the devil work it's not that we're not in the child labor isn't you know that wasn't maybe abused years and years ago there were there reasons for some of these things. But we're you know current throw the baby out with a bath water here we're losing focus on the intent of the law the intent of the regulation and the you know the following that has made it much harder than now for us to use our models that we're used to so how do you run an industry that starts at three in the afternoon how do you work through the things that they can no longer do that we were able to do when perhaps we were younger I think those are some of the challenges from the business side that that every industry faces I want to go to Rusty because Rusty employees I'm going to say ten thousand maybe wrong six thousand people so six thousand employees at the keep a company OK that's a lot of people so I think Rusty you could give us a perspective on we're talking about what I hear say that what I hear you saying Steve is that we've been torn apart by the academic pressure and the imbalance in our system possibly We've been torn apart by regulation we've been torn apart by risk we've been torn apart in a number of areas that's caused us to in essence to a degree of Bandon that very important I think we're talking before another issue and I think you mentioned it even there briefly was that there is family pressure the families are really has attempt to have their students engaged in that way but I want to ask the rest of you hire a lot of people. What characteristics are you looking for and your employees and I want you to take the whole spectrum you've got some people that their job is to take one box from one place and put it in another place you've got other people that are highly skilled in a certain area that you need them to show up in and perform that skill at a very high degree what are the kinds of things that when you're thinking about hiring somebody what are the what are the elements that you are looking. So from the manufacturing stand. Today you have you know he was talking about all the different walls rules. Any of your tests any of your interviewing type of. Things you have to fill out an. Especially kind of test has to be validated because if you're given a test and you can't show that Apple perfectly aligned with the job your heart and you make decisions on it you can Legian to a lot of legal issues so the past dozen years or so or a couple dozen that's been really hard and lot of money to go through in validate or testing processes for me to factionalism happens woman has continued to prove that working next period is infectious which they can take this. Wouldn't. Realm Koehler objects. Back and forth and Tigers fans do you can move these. Items into the right code. Area or shape points or into. And so that right away just fills. Actually got things are moving pretty quick and you pass a test and handle most any kind of cookies in my mouth now it was an issue. Of Well oddly enough if I was going back you know. And I like doing orientation. Oddly enough the number one reason why employees lose their one that is what do you think. Yeah hardest just not soon to work on time in the most foundational basic thing you could imagine him he thought education showing up on time to your classes and that that should be taken very seriously he can show up on time for class your and your students not. Prepare for the world in the future. If they are distracted by other interest outside of class and dismiss the whole class that they're probably going to do very well in the real world. So that's that's just some of the foundational things. Other things we hope we've done a good job is in our inner validation process is those that will align with our culture and culture in every single business and so you're very very. You know you heard me mention the word before. You know here concern honest. Trust. Your integrity. Those things cannot be taken lightly. So those those would be the family so so this is what I'm hearing you say and I'm just repeating what I'm hearing to emphasize to our group here today I'm hearing you say the person needs to be able to show up on time they probably need some dexterity skills I'm hearing you say you want someone with character you want them to be honest you want them to be. Transparent you want them to be you want them to have really if you you probably would really like all your employees to have a godly character because that would answer honesty integrity truth all those things right it's true we are equal opportunity employer. So you have atheists agnostics we have every single religion the religion you can imagine but just like Jed Clampett Jed Clampett still had this foundation through six so I want to go to now I want to go to the statement that we have alluded to the greatest want of the world. Is the want of men and women who are what some help me. Not to be bought or sold going to stand for the truth of the heaven Spalding to be as true to duty as a needle to the pole and we can list that if you had today an opportunity to hire fifty people with that kind of ethic would those be good matches for you or yeah you know wasn't it ever OK. Then I want to ask this question you've traveled the world you've been from pole to pole. And you've done it in the context of mission mostly and I know done so well in that step down or. OK you took some penguin pictures in Antarctica for fun OK but I know Dan So when he travels OK he comes back with a report about what God's work is doing in a certain part of the world Vineyard because he shares those reports with us and some of the committees and stuff and I'm always encouraged and I just love to hear those reports so Denzil I know that even though you're not physically out there living in the mission field today that you've been to see ministries in every corner of the globe what kind of people what kind of characteristics are those institutions looking for and do you see as bringing value to those institutions. The same characteristics as Rusty mentioned you want you want integrity you want seen here you also need someone who has they have a have to have passion one thing rest you mentioned earlier is his his grandfather had a passion you have to have passion for what you do in the ministries you know you you were alluding to your heart reveals and I was thinking about that you know you have your brother that runs his passion is running. Nurse You know you know I visited with you knows that industry he he he lives that reason and you have to have in your ministry in your industries you have to have people that are passionate for that because I always say you have to have a champion I remember when we started we started the vision of building concrete plants OK And so we built concrete plants we can sell and we hardly sold mall so what we realized we didn't have a champion so I hired a person that he made his living on concrete plants he did not make his living if he did not sell concrete plants and he lived or died on that on that product and we started getting involved and we got the largest plant made factor in the world that talked to but the point was that we had to every time I developed a new line or a new product system I had to have a champion a new company you have to have a champion who runs it let's it because if you don't it will fail so we've added passion to the list of things we're trying to bring to the table now these are the reason we're talking about this is most of these things are learned more effectively in an industry setting than they are in a classroom I had people a bit affiliate associate with people who could talk me under the table regarding the world of Agriculture and brother deicing are here has some experience in that I had a guy come to our campus he just was the expert I mean he had all the presentations he had just everything crossed the boards beautiful and he said I would. Feel like this is the perfect fit or whatever he said. You know it's there for a while I said Can I use a piece of your ground here I still have to salute absolutely let me just show you a piece you can have and do whatever you want with he ended up growing some tomatoes and some vegetables that could not be eaten he knew the theory but he couldn't produce so I'd like to add the word a producer to our list OK he knew the theory but he couldn't produce even the best that he knew the thing he couldn't produce we didn't produce I say that I know he could not but he didn't in our set it so we have a need for these characteristics to be trained we have a need for the passion to be given we have a need for a level of production real kind of production in the industry setting you could have the most beautiful equipment your plant but if it's not actually producing something you could talk about cookies all day and you could have beautiful pictures of cookies all day but if it was not actually producing cookies you're out of business right. So that's another industry foundational idea but it's also like you study the Bible but how do you really learn your By sharing. The same principle why your Sherry Sherry what you learned one of the other things that principles that I learned when I was a little creek that really impressed me was when it was strawberry season everybody went to pick strawberries there was no I mean I'm talking about from the president on to everybody went out schools canceled we want when we pick strawberries we went to school was not canceled No no schools here I looked at as a kid I preferred to be out in the strawberry patch it became evident. That was. But it was a cancer is what you were you were getting an education right but if you cation the education I'm sorry the education was that we were able to that when it was struck had his druthers you had to work you had to do whatever it took to get the job done at the time to get it done you couldn't just think about it because you didn't that. You knew why you were there you know you talk about passion and that's not just from the leadership maybe maybe that's where it starts but every single person in the process that's what you're leaning towards passion from the from the entry level to the to the C.E.O. because when they know why they're doing something when they know they're part of something bigger you know I mean we would have students that would work in industry and certainly they needed to be there to afford to stay in school that I was a driving force for them. But when we could really talk to them about how they were a part of something larger than just earning a few dollars to stay in school when they were you know I'm going to Coggan the wheel not the negative way but they were important you know every spoke in the wheel makes the wheel stronger when when they were part of something they became more passionate about their little piece. And that changed them and changed the leadership you know the the difficulties you have with perhaps managing these kids. When they started understand that they were part of something bigger than just showing up and earning a paycheck that's where passion came from all right I'm going to pick one is a question it's not really a question Is the comment you know it really resonated with me when dentals said passion somebody who has a passion and as I was thinking about that now and then as I've studied about Madison that was one of the things that happened to Madison. Students. Started a lot of the industries that Madison hat because they had an idea they had a passion and and the administration now we're dealing with a younger set of students but. You know I think that that could be engaged. To create even more passion for an industry if you could engage students in helping to make it real. I believe that today your students have a greater opportunity than ever before because if you can give a student the desire to know how to add how to you know with their head instead of trying to put it on a computer if you can give them wanting to show up to work every day when wanting to to do an industry or a trade or just educate him there is so much opportunity out there today because all these kids out here are educated in things that are worthless. Ya give a perfect example I had had a lady who young young lady who worked as a receptionist I thought she was going to go to college I said all that's great I'm glad I can go to college so she went to college four years later I see her on one of our teller ones working and she got a four year degree in petard or free she got one hundred sixty thousand dollars in debt and she was working for us as a teller because she couldn't get a job as a dog. I like Tiger for his hobby he chemical live in it it's hard to make a living at it so you know the thing is that we're educate lot of kids today are educated on things that are not valuable everywhere you go there's help wanted signs for industry for learning how to do things you do for example I was just with a customer yesterday this week and they they're needing mechanics there were they're doing signing bonuses for mechanics they said we'll even train you training on how to be making if you just show up. We'll give you the skills and I mean we're talking these people who are making seventy to ninety thousand dollars a year as a mechanic and he started thinking about industry and traits you start going to the education of and all the cost of education today what are they if you look at your payback period where are they in their sixty's for the break even you know so I mean there's there's a lot of opportunity today with young people I think more than ever before and I think if we can instill that in our institutions in a work study program where they are an industry and get that practical skills you're giving some invaluable tool to the to them you know I can tell you a story of that that I think directly ties to that in you know the schools are you know one of the areas where there can be a problem if they're not focused on the things that are necessary but I think. You know again they're operating within a They're not operate in a vacuum often they're outside external pressures that make that harder I mentioned you know family and cultural demands on I mean I wish I was sure students knew what important looking for you know they commune expecting. That the resume and the clubs that they were president of and all the leadership things are going to and those are you know not important but. They're looking you know you're looking for somebody that comes in that's passionate that has integrity how do you test those things you know that's the hard part I wish our kids understood that we we lost the industry that we had when I was when I was there in China though we ended up with was about eighteen months in between trying to find another business partner that would you know provide the opportunities for our students who were you know when you talk to Major business and you say your primary resource is high school students you know they run right out of the room missiles carry form because there's so many things that come with that and they just don't understand how that could possibly work during that period time we had a couple of warehouses You know I don't know how many tens of thousands of square feet that was empty We're still kind of pain in the building and utilities were trying to figure out how to use this we had a group of Master electricians plumbers contractors in our rural area that said you know we're missing something in education who we've we don't do our mechanics anymore we don't you things that you know I was like that I grew up and we had a welding program and about five or six kids every year wood would graduate with their welding certificate and I we have an industry right now our area that will pay I think sixty pence sixty seven bucks an hour because you can get welders nobody nobody will weld and they're desperate for welders. So these guys came to us and they said you know we're missing the boat we need to start with a vocational track a an area where kids can learn these practical skills and not not for the ones that are going to go to college on earth are you know on the side part of our educational system and my principal and I have it we just we embrace that So that's that's absolutely a great idea of course a boarding school has thirty periods in a day so you have lots more opportunity on learning that they school you know everything's more compressed but we worked you know ministration on realigning the academic day trying to fit OK tional opportunities in their home improvement these huge warehouses we could build walls and run wiring and plumbing things and all the stuff that is practical that we need to do in our own homes and. The parents scream bloody murder they've just fought us tooth and nail because our children they're not going to be they don't evoke ational they need to study for their I mean you hear you know you hear the same post-traumatic stress here they're going to study for their tea they're going to study for their you know they that's that's not what our children are going to do they're going to be doctors and lawyers are going to be you know professionals you've heard me say that now and it could not get off the ground because the the outside pressures and again the cultural requirements they didn't understand that and I use my my uncle my grandfather was a house builder my uncle grew up. Can you know he got the call for pastoral ministry when they build something out of the church he's the one up on the roof you know doing the work and. He went back after married and had a couple kids went back into school but he worked his way through school as a mechanic as a as a carpenter he knew those skills he didn't come out with the Course you didn't come out with loans like that back then but the idea that you could perhaps go through school working in a trade that might minimize some of those cost one hundred sixty thousand come out when they could not grab that concept and it it was the most frustrating experience in the world because we had opportunity we had people that were there that were volunteering they love the school they were going to volunteer their time we had worked it all out just part of the culture and we you know in that there in that little window of time it was very very difficult to get out the outside pressures who allows you to move forward and you know to this day there's still what I know of that school there still you know struggling to get how do we get any kind of autumn can't any of these kinds of classes back in. OK so I'm hearing something that we're still talking about a topic was brought up sometime earlier how do we deal with this tension between the practical training and the academic side because we have the parents that are calling us and to this equation and saying I want my child to get a full ride scholarship on a thirty six score a.c.t it's true we have that full. On the other side we have a model of Madison and the need for people that industry is crying for to have those basic foundational concepts of how to show up on time be honest all those basic things that can be taught very well and the industry side of education and Ysaye is here at this juncture in time our mission is to promote this model of education. Not another model of education our mission is to promote this model and we have a passion to do that but we live in today's world where parents are crying for this and there's this tension between the balance how do we do this and still maintain and go to the future and so I think that. And I want to check with one on schedule let me just ask you Are you OK without a break or just go straight through are you WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE a break because I think we're probably at a point where we should pick it up we've got about another hour and a half. OK. All right. Break or no break those who think we should take a break raise your hand and do those who would just like to continue just raise your hand OK all right if you need a break let me just say this if you need a break just take one just just go and you know what you need to do to do it otherwise we'll continue straight through and try not to lose our momentum here but so we live in this world where there's tension the only thing I see you've all heard of the famous chess player Bobby Fischer you know how you beat him don't play in chess. You don't you go again play the game you can win you know you think you have a you have a unique product you know haha business our success was through their niches you have a unique product that you want to. And just focus on what you're good at and be the best you can be at that what you're doing you know you know if you want a person that I always said you know if I wanted to send my kids to the most academic school in the world I would have sent them to Harvard or Yale or something like that but that wasn't why I sent my kids reason why I said my kid's school was number one I want to have a relationship with Christ Number two I want to have it pointed at this mate and number three I want add this friends and number four I want to have good education OK we try to make number four number one but that's not what we're about and so we've got to constantly remember what what we're good at and it's just reinforcing that I think it's very important you know you're talking about a work study program or an industry that is such a key factor so parents that want to go you know that want their education you got you there's a lot of people out there look at where I'm I'm on the supply on the business side of and. Talking to add this layer people out there looking for schools that can give their kids that practical experience you know that because that's we talk about a lot and so you know that's an important is that you get like when I want to look it didn't matter whether you were the wealthiest person in the world or you're the poorest person in the world you had to work there was many days there was no options you picture you pick strawberries my daughter my wife who came from a poor family I mean she because she was able to work she was. Here by by the by working in the school and it was such a blessing to her and you can listen to you know she's a nurse today because because of her part that you got heard so I mean it's I think you have to remember what you're what you're about and don't get sidetracked on some of these other issues OK. I just want to make a comment on what pick this question follow up here Denzel just gave you don't know if you wrote that down but he gave you a marketing principle because one of the things we're talking about today don't try to be who you're not if your mission is clear in what you're doing and be who you are and so I push each of grayness back to that concept let's not try to be who are not but let's be strong it. Who we are and this balance education model that we want to follow Let's not get as distracted me as we could. So there's that's a good point that was made about the work study and the difficulty with parents when Madison started it targeted the poorest of the students which means you wouldn't have the parents complaining about that sort of thing now it's harder if your school is already established you really can't it's that's that's hard to deal with once the school is already established but doesn't it then stand to reason that there needs to be an education of the parents for what the school's principals and purposes are about so they can be in alignment and if they're not in alignment then they can make other decisions but basically you're here you know you kind of said hey this is the deal rich or poor you're here and this is what we do here and that kind of has to be establish this is our purpose here and if you don't cooperate with that purpose then maybe it's not a good fit for both of us because otherwise that attitude pervades and then your school doesn't have that purpose anymore right it more so. Targeting the right people and educating the people who are involved is probably very important to making it work what Rusty told in his business when he when he was talking is very critical that you didn't hear was the fact of culture and you got to keep culture of your school same thing as a culture of a business you know and he hits on the soul port most people don't realize you know as I look at businesses and look at emerging and I talk to financing businesses that you know buying people things like that we do it all the time I really sit there and you look at the numbers but the numbers only gives you so much you've got a culture of because that is something that can make or break a company more than the numbers ever meet. So it's very important to keep that culture go in the same years you know of your go. There that's very special and that culture is maintained and that people know what that is they expect the product that you get which is. You know really really you know it really makes a statement as time goes on and. She has to start where my brother talked about with the region cation a parent. Might have some background in public school and the students who work with. Community were and one of the first things first off at school we dealt with the parents we even have them to find we explain what the program is going to be and they have to find that you are willing to support what we're doing throughout the school year there's the education of the parents an invited them and because we realize we have the students for only a certain amount of time but they go back to their families and so we had to educate parents because there would have been asked to how to support what we're doing in the classroom all day long so I think we need to think about that as we're interacting with our parents because even if it. Dorm setting and not a day school kids go home on breaks and it doesn't matter how much we're doing with fam when they're with us for these little periods when they go home they get reimbursed in toward totally different culture it's basically a taking them several steps back and then they come back and we have to make up that ground before we move forward so there are the educational reeducation of our parents are very important. Again what he mentioned about. Sometimes it's not a good fit we're looking for students to come we want to take everyone but sometimes there's just not a good fit so we need to pretty much explain this is our niche This is what we're about we're going to try to do this this and this but our focus we want to prepare your child to meet Christ. And if that is not your priority maybe you need to look at something else we would really love for you to choose his this is what maybe you need to pray about and feel there's something else but I want to go back to what I think it was Steve was talking about the different challenges that are out there and it's real because yes we might understand what we want to do but if you're just constantly hitting a rock and trying to figure out you're going to just kind of go into what's easy it's every day you've got to do something and you kind of fall into the easiest path and what I hear and what I'm working my brain is the importance for us to make sure we're aligning our practical and our academics there are ways to integrate to help us at the teacher is and. To recognize that. My math class may not just always happen in my classroom how can I work along with the baker or the gardener to continue my math lesson with what he's doing there and to make sure my student understand that my letter didn't and when I stepped out of my four walls my class is continuing because that is the model that we have theory and practice and so if I'm doing as theory and artificial problems and I'm not using the real life Haldeman's like this is the math that we're going into the garden to do our measurement because we need to plan to grow potatoes or whatever it is and them seeing the real my application creates that hash and that they're not getting into I don't have to work I don't have to pull the lever out of the ground they don't think any practicality and we need the why not just for the students but also for us and the teacher before we're going to have that house and to be able to explain to our parents that going into a garden is preparing your child to take the a.c.t or to do the F.A. T. if we don't understand it ourselves we cannot project that passion onto our parents and definitely not on onto the students in my grandmother's. Was she's passed way no you know master quilter I mean just incredible. You know how much geometry goes into quilting. My father in law was in the military and plays really mean. You know much geometry goes into billiards you know kids who go to learn geometry or waste of time I'm never going to use it again we. Algebra we use and you know I love math we use these things in such ways and you're right we don't talk it through and I'm going to remember the Beverly Hillbillies church for a very long time I that's phenomenal because. I don't want to indict anyone segment of our community we've seen the enemy it's us you know we're parents we we probably you know put some of those same pressures on our own kids if we weren't careful. How many education sermons are we hearing how many we have an education Sabbath we have a teacher appreciation Sabbath once a year it's exciting. But why isn't that part of one of those tenets that is just constantly reminded to us that our education system that has the balance of life you know that's what that's what Ellen White was about was balance you know it wasn't all of this and all of that but it was it was finding that balance and are at a better or the purest part of education system finds that balance but we're not talking about that hope that you know it's I mean I'm blaming the parents a lot I'm beating up on them but I'm saying they're not hearing those kinds of things they're hearing the popular culture which says how do I score that thirty six and how I you know how do I succeed and so I think it's systemic we started to lose track of it from from hope and from from our parenting perspectives from the schools if we're not careful we forget our niche we take what's easy and we end up you know with with you know the Securitas river that's just part of the impact so when I see him and you know something or things in young lady and gentleman here into signs. If people understand the purpose of education reason. Really interesting it is for them to you know he's prized in his. He's all his knee is all about servant leadership and having him A So the leadership you mind if you learn how to deeds of that are more him. And then more complex I mean if we think before said God said we're going to work in the garden in the nick said and then you take that for eternity are we going to be working about eternity Yes. What kind of work is it going to be in high rise office does no harm. It's going to be working it's going to be trades it's going to be using our bodies are made to move. And so I am glad Denzel share his experience I had libertarian to be an hourly employee for seven years in manufacturing when I go the work every single type of job in higher organization example in the A list truck operator. I'm also wondering I think I've figured out why. But they also know it also include being a plumber well. When they see these alerts but you know the nice thing is not only to learn new skills but I learned to identify and connect with people oh it's a boy and I will live it never lose that I still have those are some of my best friends at the bakery when I see him I dismantle I love this see how they're doing and that's what's life and that was eternity. It's also about the friends with. All right with wonder. And then I think that Richard had a question and then going over it. One thing that is I'm I think maybe we've hinted at it we haven't come right out and said it. Education in Adventism has changed I think a couple of you talked about going to conference schools that had worked programs in the work programs of kind of died out I think mentioned how the education just between two of your children was vastly different that is a product of a series of actions by the U.S. Department of Labor where they have fined arse our schools millions of dollars because they think they don't believe in the Madison model of education and they think that you know we're not teaching that we are working them so that kind of came to a head I think I feel in a lawsuit against Laura Brook Cademy which they won but. Yet that's I'm sorry your broken won the lawsuit but it defined it defined the way that we can do what we believe which is different from what traditionally we have done in that we are teaching a vocational program not a work program which means that there has to be intentional education and vocation there has to be rotation and the the elements of doing that kind of a program. Undermine things that are you know like a cash cow if you have if you have a factory where you're doing the same thing every day in that factories making lots of money for your school that doesn't fit that model and and so our struggle has been to find. Vocations that are profitable because we are we are teaching we aerate is we're teaching a variety of different vocations but ninety percent of our income is tuitions and Steve said you know ski made the point that. His institution has one big cash cow you know that the nursing home to others to make you know a small profit and you know so the question that we face is where do we go what kind of we kind of industry do we do what can we do that we can have a model puts more like the Madison model has in in Madison students when they graduated they got a paycheck you know because they had been working and they worked their whole way through school and the school owed the money for their work but the school was profitable and and so you know with the challenges of the changes because of labor laws. All the schools. Conference schools have been losing their numbers of students because only certain people can afford to go there and the same thing for you know ourselves boarding had of these we've all been challenged by this and so we're we're still searching for a solution. You know just that the nursing home used to provide and. You know the nursing homes are not as. Yet there's highly regulated as well it's more and more difficult to run these things so this this is our big challenge and I wonder if you have any I'm counsel for us. OK I'm going to take a minute on this question before I go with these other questions OK because I think this is bringing us back to a very central question of why we're here and I could comment you know I worked in a factory because we built concrete mixers and that and oh you know when I got one home for school I watched a puddle is what I call the nose welding I weld you know and so I'm well section and then when they get done well that section of all the other well the other. I will tell you that was a great education for me because my dad said if you do not get an education you can get to that figure is your right. And I didn't want to do that. So I don't think that just having young people do something over and over and over again is not a great education because a lot of times people don't realize that you reason why you want to better yourself do what you get in education is you can do something you love no look Iraq you love watching puddles that's wonderful but I'm just saying that. Repetitive things is an education you know. So we we heard from the lawyers yesterday that I said they did two things to us they enlightened us and they frighten us. But it's true we had this tension that exists but in the context of knowing the world we live in and I'd like to address that question for a minute before we move on and that is share with us you know the you know the schools you know the environment we live in and work in and I preach H.D. video you had risk management experience been cleared. Praise God you're here with us. Well I say. OK we got to the clouds to rest you know be the sunshine in the middle. Of it. All right but when you're experiences that God has brought into your life at this point what counsel would you give to the institutional leaders sitting here today what would you say to them that would help them to go home with maybe an idea or some kind of. Thinking that yes there are still opportunities or just share your wisdom and your experience with this group today related to that question which as I understand that's question let me repeat it make sure I have it right we live in a complicated world we need industry on our campus we don't have in this being a campus that meeting meets those criteria that's producing caching gives those kind of experiences to our young people what can you tell us. I'm very I'm perplexed you know it's after a couple of decades of you know working in this environment and watching it evolve away from the model that we're trying to accomplish you know what what the world that that Madison was created in is very very different post-industrial society and I believe the devil is in some of this because all of the stuff makes it harder for us to follow a model that we know is successful and we know prepares us and and and that's the devil at work because he may not be able to get to us in certain ways there's a back door and maybe it's regulation and maybe it's shadow labor laws and it's the things you know I wonder in the factory would I don't know how old you were when you were going home and doing that but they were they probably Well you know I was saying you broke laws then but it probably you know that's what. It is no matter and so on the risk management side obviously is for sure sure. You know I think the I think service areas may be an area that we can because manufacturing production there's there's chemicals there's there's machinery there's the warehouse itself I mean when we were houses we had we had a we had a good relationship with our local you know labor inspector but they would commit a check with Windows now because with kids in these factories adults don't need Windows but kids need windows you know and they think perhaps just since she was down since she was down and and I wonder if maybe service now you know you mentioned I'm only in my fourth year of college. And. We have a we have a program I don't know if you call it exactly work study but I don't know you guys for me with P F E R two for turning it in the system. I never heard of it happened in between when I was out of education and and I was just intrigued because we have a purpose for the work that the kids were doing they were getting a financial aid kind of meant you know some sort of manifest of financial aid because of the higher pay that would come from these grants and you know our school had been using that as a tool for those that had plenty insulated needs and so it was very limited that we weren't we were a little nervous about before I got there about the matching part could we really match the twenty or the it's now thirty percent of of the fund raising things of that nature that made the school a little bit more narrowly focused on who could use it well Mr ation and I when I got to look at it I remember we walked out of the first orientation and said That's our industry we just found our industry at least for now I don't know what options I may have over the years I've been there long enough to you know change major culture but I remember walking out thinking OK I don't have an infrastructure that I have to build which is often one of the challenges I mean our schools don't have reserves they don't have resources how do you build the infrastructure how how do you wait long enough for the Rate of Return to start coming back around before your You've gone bankrupt or you've started to affect the school operations in a way you know our industries are sadly often brings to our to our you know primary goal of education and I don't know if they are now separate the two and I should but I'm I know that I walked out there thinking you know maybe more of the service sides of things because there are going to be child we still have child labor laws you know in regards to even the P.S.S. but it's much much easier than a welding shop as much heating in French shop and I wonder if maybe some of the service areas are going to be the developing and that's where our society is developed you know we don't you know we don't do as much manufacturing more of the service side. And I'm perplexed so I don't know that I feel like an expert in that but that's an idea. OK rest break in your thoughts we're talking about that question what kind of recommendations can we make to school people sitting here today that would that would help to send them in the right direction knowing we need industry knowing that we live in a complicated world yes all just other kind and what Steve just said is that the only time I got to work in the factory was when I was eighteen one was around lift truck you just cannot have anyone some tear younger here in the of having said that the nice thing about. The unities that have industries nearby or in God service industries is over the years I've seen how or built into open schools you know that early in Egypt you're already sold the so call it in those earlier days we had to call the box factory we needed labor in labor was is it more and labor from students was a perfect fit for recycling or boxes and we've sent to a pacing a product out and that pays him back they have the sorted into the rights right he says and we took those cases back he was effects and we've been recycling back from the sixty's a hoarder recycling was cool. And and that workmen in it for many years but lo and behold all sun the price of part of a cardboard case is hip hop and so low it was cheaper for us to buy new cycle cases and it was to you this whole process sort of over of and so what I've seen since then is in a week when you have shown go a bit it really hurt till the schools hey we're sorry but this is we're we've got to be good stewards of our employees it's through the communities so we're running the business be successful for the long term. And so we had that we had to tell the school sorry we don't have a job. So what's in it you want to jump in the well as they say yeah I was there and we had a it was a tremendous. Process and I give kudos to you he corporation because the transition was as smooth as could be expected and and we we've often from that side of the community you know talk about how as as sorry as we work to see the baes of the box factory the transition was done extremely freshly and very fairly and very equitably for helping us make the transition you know you talk about the. The need for student labor it was interesting because one of the challenges in an industry is how do you deal with intermittent labor so you have you have school breaks you have summer time so it's a little forced disappears how does the and or the partner and maybe that you have the key partners or we look at Walker Muckler we look at all kinds of packaging you know what we look at and intermittent labor is a challenge so my box factory manager would you know come Christmas time she was dying because the trucks are coming in every day we would have just trucks lined up back there waiting for the kids to come back and I'd say you know he's back in one was doing what we commotion you guys you're too slow. You know adults are a waste of time the kids are like machines are like robots in there and you know that goes back to as you look at your industry you know how do you incentivize the kids were incentivized immensely because it was peace right and the faster they work the more they work we gave and here's how we embraced that in the end Ross I didn't know each other back then. I've been there six months and we got a letter from the he said they were innocent people coming by to visit we just like them chat and both my principal I went oh this is this This one sounds good and you know like I said it was it was a it was a great tradition in that respect. But yeah it was it was an import it was it was hard for us to get the labor force you know how do you deal with the again the piece rate was great how we incorporated our relationship when we did a word chapel where they do all kinds of different you know math club all the different awards boards and here we have a word for the student that had earned the one two three earlier in the in a man industry man so that so that we I mean we had a kid and he was that he was a village kid. That earns I don't know ninety nine almost ten thousand dollars in one year working at the box factory you know I was in a rural communities were not wealthy quotes and even though day school you know tuition did include the room and board that was a family the only reason was there was because Mr and he was tremendous and he and like said he earned or it was almost ten thousand dollars in one year that's you know from from an industry partnership and we made that an important part of the word chapel so kids on the campus understood we're also recognising that expertise and how important that is not just the high score in the math club and so recognition for hard work and go recognition for hard work how about those things piece work and now actually look at a student work hard in many times aligns the harder we work with many of them and that's not a bad thing that else you would do what you just try to do with that building as well and just very quick on the piece rate I know that our manager Wendy she would you know all of sudden she'd say hey guys we got five trucks out here if we can get those five trucks down everybody gets a you know ten dollar bonus on their you know today and she was a master motivator and and these kids were just I mean again my daughter worked there it was gone by the time my son came through sadly. My daughter worked there and in it was very helpful to us in on on wages you know we ended up that's I use that story we had about eighteen months of empty and we tried to vocational things try to use that opportunity Walker muffler was down about eighty miles away we went down and worked and worked with them because all that they were doing packaging if we could just ship the stuff up to us we could we could shrink wrap it get bail I mean get on the pallets and move it on out just couldn't get over the hump we ended up with Rubbermaid corporation Rubbermaid Corp was and I after I left it it's gone every every has a life cycle but we we took in all the returns for Rubbermaid corporation from the east county eastern half of the United States so Cosco would buy a thousand one hundred thousand trash cans and they would sell ninety thousand of them so they got ten thousand and trying to return to Rubbermaid you have no idea what condition the boxes are in maybe that boxes have been crunching the interior stuff the shed has fifty thousand pieces and three of them are missing for the box corner without all of that came to these warehouses truck after truck vervet and Rubbermaid distribution was in Winchester only about you know an hour north of us and so they would come in we would bring the boxes off opened up make sure everything was good put it back on the trucks to Winchester and then they would be right back into their rushing cycle. I believe they closed the West Coast and started to utilize us towards the end for everything and so it wasn't as easy the piece rate didn't work as well because you'd have a great full of egg. Or ice cube trays. You've got fifty of them in their car and you have a shed that has again I wasn't pieces here and you try to wade through that kind of side making a piece rate was much easier with the box factory but we worked we tried to do the same kind of provide kids an incentive for the harder they work faster they work more if they want if they're on time they stay focused on the you know problems quite that bad back then but they were on their phones texting all the time and it was a model at work and I think they had some great years and I've lost track of. What we do right now. And then and in the Arkansas plant again it really hurts and take that box factory you know so I can put it away so then the. What the school has done since then is they work work with companies and recognize that the students in retail are not real attracts not really quick and behold there's an underground I don't know several have more students who work in the retail outlet right there next to school so I don't know the school drives them over his prime how they get there but also we were thrilled to house this in the thrift store so it's because why have an opportunity not only lose money. Not. Only opportunity to earn money for themselves but they're also an opportunity to learn the real world is like and what's really cool like it's being kind I contact smile into the customer. Problem how I can't how can I help you that's all courses are leadership and learning in the real world and recognizing if we weren't sure that this person getting back to their pain for the education of we also open up opportunities for jobs around the areas don't have look to us don't have put in doing things like dumping them. Cold. Programs and food products and stuff to his the floor you think with you got to get off the floor and we saw that picking force a different wonder why in South he's big or crazy about the taste of it I think so there is so much sugar. So here's the stairs we're coming into the plane as you know fifteen years old I think we're fifteen half there's something in sixteen seventeen that they get to work in a real real planet and as long as they fall this route and do the same task that you'd be done not hard very basic. In a not around they all meet in the cool thing is that the school does not have to worry about only needing regulations were the ones that they were. And so while talk about an opportunity to provide employment or the students in not having the bog down the fear all the walls in the business unit from retail for me to factor in so it was opportunities that we have to look outside of work and still is a great opportunity. And so I'm as a banker what I like to look at is more diversification and not have an industry that is a one one one legged stool I would like to say to me I'd like to see a lot of different industries because you are going to have your peaks and valleys you're going to have your peaks in your valleys. In different industries you're going to have the pluses and minuses but if you have several industries then you don't then you can you can have one of them down the other ones are up and you know. Through the cycles is there are cycles in all this. So as a banker I'd like to see more industries and have more opportunities and have smaller I'd rather see a have. Six small industries than one big street. I will speak to that from an institutional standpoint that it is a little scary when you're getting most of your. Student labor and income from that from one industry so if you're thinking about what do I very much concur with that when take a couple more questions now we have Bridget and then Bill and then Wanda Sorry Wanda. OK. The industry thing I need I'm co-founder of the school that started three years ago and we have a very specific niche market we work for those who have learning differences for those who are in homeschool and also those who are in here and sell their comparable other countries ne need to learn about God and they need to learn language. And I grew up on bass Academy bass memorial Cademy and Fletcher Academy and understanding that work was really important and I worked all the way through his gate Cademy and I value hard work went through southern got my education degree and there was a period of time I moved to the Melinda and started working for Job Corps which is a vocational training program for at risk youth and I was so amazed by that program it was like so administrate not. Come to find out and actually their academic side they actually used some of that I'd been a smart oh what we would send over to our missionaries for their curriculum but they didn't have any actual Bible classes but they taught kids how to to have hard work and to value that and then I started my own business as. A tutoring center and I did that for twelve or fourteen years the co-founder of Beacon Academy also has her own business Tiffany brick and we both value hard work we're trying to figure out how to put industry into the school but in order to do that we have to first change the mindset will we have a couple things One is we don't own the property that wrong and that that makes it more difficult because we're limited by some of the things that we can do but what we're doing first is just working on trying to change a mindset that it's not a mindset of entitlement of let's just do a walk a thon and ask for money but let's rake some leaves and earn some money and it's challenging because we really don't want to just ask for money now we've been very blessed because to date we have not asked for any money. We did a yard sale over the summer to finish. We had to find women it is about three thousand dollars and we're out there really working hard but it was donations from people who brought items from their house and we sold and we made about three thousand dollars and then we had this bed. Sale that we did and we've brought in about four thousand dollars and that was the one thing that one of our teachers had recommended so and it really really well now obviously that's not going to buy our building. Nor pay our rent during the summer and there were there were times I was really stressed but I didn't say anything and people would bring a check by and say I just felt like you needed this and those checks scheming came and now we have one hundred forty thousand dollars and I am just so. In all but I still want to have that industry not to float the business not I mean we're still like you we've got about. It's more than ninety percent of our it's tuition and we don't have worthy student loans so you know we're talking to people right now who. We're creating work for them over the summer so they can help pay their bill you know for the next year but we're trying to work with them on on a mindset so what we're continuing to do is train the kids character building in fact them using the social skills the taters guide from job where to go over you know how to keep a job how to have a job I'm also creating a mindset for this the students that this is what I expect you to do you're not doing it yet but it's soon as I get the opportunity to do it you know as soon as your port team you could be gainfully employed and I'm setting little things in there that this is important this is important so small business mindset is kind of where we're going for our industry which is not one thing most recently. One of the things that that we've done is one of our kids has designed a T. shirt and he's you know we've kind of put him in charge of they're going to have to they can use their funds for their class trip but they have to sell well what do you want to price it at you know and who are you going to sell it to How are you going to you know so we'll help them run it but they're going to have to come together and actually create this little business. Another thing that they're doing. Is we've got them learning about other industries we actually had McKee transportation. Person come over Larry Coon and Perry Wilson it been talking to our kids about the freight industry and some other jobs that are available to them and the skills that they need. I've been working and trying to find small business community within the College Hill area that will start to eventually next year be able to talk to our students about what they need to be successful in their job and maybe find little entry positions for them we're going to run a small business fair hopefully next year most recently we've found out that Walgreens. Gets rid of their stuff at the end of the season and so I got an in with one Walgreens and I thought well there's a lot of Walgreens around here so I create I cooked in about five or six thousand dollars worth of product just from Christmas stuff and thankfully Tiffany has a warehouse. But it's in my living room right now but. It's Christmas comes they're going to run a seasonal store or come think giving and so then we'll be able to start selling some products and that product will be able to go back into the studio either Bill or whatever but are there laws are there reasons that I can't or there are regulations is there something that's going to stop me because I'm seeing all these opportunities but I. What what am I missing I mean isn't there a nation small business and turning these little these students into entrepreneurs. Because I'm having a harder time going to some of the bigger businesses because they are a little bit nervous about the regulations and they don't want to hire my students yet although I'm getting there. Well I think actually the point you mentioned is a very good one and that is change of mindset. Or business idea especially if you're setting. The mindset the philosophy that when behind this before we started the school I read the Madison Project and I read the book of education and it was those two things in the Madison school that I realized that they took what they had around them and then they just made it something that would work in benefit the local community the very the community and so that that's kind of the principles behind what we're needing to do but I just I'm wondering. What's within our scope can we do that and use that what should we expect to spar as a percentage and it we're going to tilt up a garden this year and I had mentioned that I kind of want to make money will when I say that I want the kids to be able to make about twenty dollars a year so that they can pay for their Compassion International kids that were sponsoring I want them to actually feel what it's like to sell produce I'm not thinking three hundred fifty thousand or the one hundred thousand but that I'm like maybe that on paper building so I did get those ideas but but originally I was thinking twenty dollars per kid you know I want work values I want them to be out there managing it but what should I expect what's reasonable for an industry on a to an athlete or you know fifty fifty five kids is what we've got right now but what should I actually expect with that's not high and sky and actually feasible OK how is it would have a response what should she expect. Room in in a room in her father's business who had a plumbing business and. Of course I don't advocate what what business she went into she was busy making jewelry and making it different than anybody else and she built it into by the the time she graduated she had a store and she knew that into three stores. So Bridget what I guess I guess what I would say is that I think what you're doing is very important on an individual basis you know I think that the idea that. I labor for something I earn something I use it for something you know and that it's not lining my own pockets is even you know more I guess that service side is a good thing you know I'm not sure that those models are going to support institutions obviously doesn't mean they're important I think in fact they're really important as a beginning point so that the individual student themselves learn what we're talking about teaching them you know that may not necessarily like I said support and lower tuition at the school but that's you know that's that's how we train. These human beings in a price character and they become then successful themselves whether that's success turns around and you know three sixty degree thing but I think it's important what you're doing I think there's probably some regulations and probably some sales tax and I mean I'm I'm sure there's quite a lot of layers but I think individually it's a very productive thing to do OK we're coming to you. Sorry for the delay you know it's OK if you don't mind revisiting something that let's do it from a little bit before. I am originally a math teacher and we were talking before about the vocational education and. The challenge sometimes of convincing parents of its value when they're wanting to stick to the books because they've got to get the I.C.T. score the S.A.T. score and so forth I gave up personally as a math teacher. Pretty early on in trying to convince my students of how they would and I always use the analogy you're not going to use this going to the grocery store you know because I was teaching things that were beyond basic arithmetic and basic cation. Teaching concepts that you're not going to use They're in just every day Monday life said you know a lot of you are never going to use this particular skill so I stopped that and I started changing the mindset we're not teaching you necessarily how to do this very thing we're teaching you how to think or teach you how to problem solve so that's in the classroom but that's not really where I learned that skill I also had the privilege of going to little creek academy for one year in my ignorance I left of my own choosing but I've often thought was that the right decision I think it probably was not but the Lord has his way but my experience there I've contemplated. The the exposure I had to work the exposure I had to things outside of the classroom the things that I remember working with. The Dell dimming and I worked with him just me and him for a whole semester and then from there I went to cleaning the dormitory and working learning how to clean toilets and showers and that type of thing I worked in the garden I saw a vivid memory of picking potatoes one day we had to get them all out of the field because they didn't sunspots we didn't and it was late they it was horrible it was of use but I was out there in these potatoes up and thinking this is the most miserable I've ever been in my life and I still have that memory. But it was just that those those experiences were invaluable to me. The other experience I had that I think has shaped me I've probably more than anything else a little creek was working with Bill Foster he if some of you know him he was he taught us woodworking at that time I had an hour I know it seemed like two hours a day maybe an hour and a half I don't know was a long time four days a week the freshman worked with him building things that I would. And it wasn't so much this skill he taught me at that time because it lay dormant for many years and I've since been back up the hobby of woodworking and and found great joy in it but it was the the idea of if you can think it you know you can make it if you run into a hurdle we're going to work around it you know I'm going to come alongside you and I'm going to assist you and we're going to figure out a way to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish it was that the idea that as a come to things in my life that are challenging I'm going to. Stop I'm going to patiently ask for help and I'm going to get through it I'm going to problem solve how many times you ever worked on a car and it went just like it did on that You Tube video when the guy showed we were just like the instructions said you know some bolt won't come off or something messes up you break something and then you have to work figure out how to fix it you can either stop and give up or you can continue on and as I think about the people that attended little Cademy and other institutions like this you know they've gone on to do amazing things both intellectually in the academic world and entrepreneurial in that you name it because they have an idea that that we can work we can accomplish the Lord will come alongside you or somebody else come along so you will will a system will get through these troubles that like brings us and that's the intangible then if it over occasional education program it's not that it's going to make you better at mathematics particularly or history or I can't use everything from the classroom or the high school level and apply it to being in the garden or working at home you can't you can apply some things but not everything but my goodness the value you get in that just surpasses all the book knowledge could ever have in my opinion so delivering that message sometimes is harder without testimony you need testimony for people that will say this is what it did for me that have already gone on to show that they're successful by the World standards in life and why do I would I treat my success to not to getting that high C. three score and it's to having those experiences that that made me persevered become successful. Thank you Phil I think that's. That was a good. Expression of just one year just one year in that environment. So it's impacted your whole life just one year and those experiences at that point your life kind of changed who you became to a degree want to. I think I'm going to throw a little tension into the conversation right ahead to speak up when you do hear your. You know I'm going to go back to you know we're talking about different kinds of industries that we can do and many of them you know considering service and I think these things are not an important OK I think they are. Questions that I ask myself because I think you have to look at a broader picture as well I asked myself you know how long can a country sustain their themselves economically and service based economy I don't think this POS and so then if we if we heavily focus on just teaching them service oriented things then when it collapses what skills do they have to be a blessing to other people in prices these are questions I ask myself when we start thinking about moving away and I think that's the blessing of the fact that we have training programs and we try to fight and spend money lots of money in the courtroom to maintain that right to have a training program so we can teach them how to use things at younger ages. Yes we need to be careful and everything like that but if. If we don't in any kind of shift away from that where did they learn those skills to be able to be a blessing when the prices comes that's my SO I want to just take a one to said little bit and say this that one of our objectives is to create missionaries right missionaries if any of you have ever been to the mission field like I had you know you have to have practical skills or you will fail on day one two or three you might make a day for but have a bully not the first couple of days you're going to be in a situation where you do not have what you need to make what you need to succeed OK and if you don't have that mindset I can take what I have and find a way to make what I need you're done OK that's the mission that's the real mission and I think it was one of the beauties of the Madison Program they hardly ever had what they needed they were always taking things they had though and making what they needed and creating so that mindset take what you have create what you need and solve the problem and move on is essential and I think one is right you get some of that the service industry but it's still you you need that practical hands on Face the problem figure it out and go on with using something that yeah thank you OK. I just have a question in that. Knobs of ation need some help and that. You know I've got ads out for folks that I need help with the hostile Islam or campus or until he was unable to still be and we miss him terribly Dell is still there but is eighty years old and share along his brotherly. You know when you put. Feelers out for staff members and you've got young kids coming up just graduating from college. You know we all of us here we heard before and all of us also understand this new generation of living else do not have that same mindset you know they're they've come up through a different rank and it's harder and harder to find those that have an education of that sort to be able to continue to train in the way that they have been and the way we've appreciated Dells and the Lees and the bells and Steve's and the you know that we've experienced on our campuses are hard to come by. And and we're struggling you know those are ones we want and it's hard to find a young person and the teacher in the vocational area to find a teacher that has any skill to be able to be in the vocational area at the same time is a struggle we're willing to train them and teach them but then the desire is I don't know that I want the school to learn this you know so it's a paradigm shift as well for an entire generation of learners that were struggling so it's just you know it is so true and I see I have I want to comment on this though and I want to comment from the perspective of my experience in walking into a school in Korea wanted and I were there and our job was to visit a couple of schools and to see what they were doing to see if they fit the Ysaye model and decide if we were going to affiliate with them and we walk on this campus and I talked to this pastor who had been convicted by God to go out and start a school and we began to look around at this campus and we toured the campus and we looked at his buildings and we we we saw all this stuff and he began to share a little bit of story. One remembers this but what he said he said I didn't come here with any skills he said I was a pastor I was a trained pastor I didn't know how to do anything he said he said By God here and I began to learn what to do he said I started taking things apart putting things together I became a mechanic I started building things I became a builder and walk around this campus and you see him out and he said well we can do that and he's putting solar hot water systems up on top of his voice don't because it was costing him three thousand dollars a month the hot water for the boys dorm and you go up on top is building now he's going to put a kind of a greenhouse structure with us would do better in the winter you know with heating or hot water and I'm thinking there's somebody who took what he had he didn't have the skills but he had determination and he had those characteristics that we're talking about that are required to solve problems and move on so we don't have people it's true it's true. Yes And one of things that it's so important today is to realize you can't be an expert in everything so you got to make sure you get it but you need some places like this you need to you need to learn from other people you know when I when I went from my mixer business to banking I did almost everything wrong in thinking at first until I started going to these some in ours school lean and things like that to learn how because banking is the opposite of other businesses so so my point is is that you can't be an expert at everything and just realize that you know your niche know what you're good at you know true manager knows their what they're good at what they're not good at make sure you get people around you that takes your weaknesses but it's also very important to make sure that you when you look at don't be afraid to to look to expertise because in today's world you have to have expertise in lot areas because you can't afford it you can't afford to have expertise in every every department you have to go out and get some expertise different areas of what you do you know one industry that I want to mention that I think is really important is and I know some you do this is the is the book selling business or so and books I mean you want to talk about education how many how many people sell everybody sells. You know you still slightly sold yourself when you got married correct your wife right you're right I did it all she bought him I got the body you know told you how to close the day after it was the day off because the deal but you know that's something that is sold more than that is that young people need to learn and to be. Selling books and selling that you could do it's a it's a great word. And it could be used all over it plus it's possible yeah I mean to me it's a win win win win. Industry and I just want to mention that but if your part they think is important make sure you don't be afraid to ask and get help in different ways you know I know like in banking there is so technical and it's so there are so many areas of expertise I got to go hire experts to me help me because there is no way I can. Say to good points you just made where they ask for help if you need it can't be an expert in everything so thank you OK Go ahead yes it's interesting what. I think was saying. This morning we were talking about the agricultural one how how valuable was it was on the on what we heard yesterday but we confronted that issue who am I going to get to train my sons like that not just going to the farm and doing something but be trained in the area and we're running out of resources of people to train them we don't have that many pastors that are willing to get trained and get the support and do everything what they need. Another thing I think that we need to have keep in mind is one is just I was bringing and putting those two things in balance industry versus service you know what is our purpose of putting our children into the industry field was the purpose of us having an interest in our school is it to make a profit. Or is it to teach skills to our students. So we need to put those two things and balance what is our main objective if we can do both that's a win win sometimes it's hard to do both you know so we need to keep in mind what is our priority is it to teach them skills. Or to make a profit it's. OK. Let's get her a microphone please. We we've established that our primary goal is character development but the bottom line is you don't teach character by teaching character. They teach you teach them character through experience and I believe that's one of the most valuable things that we learn in the vocational training program or vocational education program that's how you teach character you don't teach character by teaching character. They learned through experience. OK I want to kind of shift this now a little bit and the next topic maybe. Was another question OK Who was it. But hear me go. Well I'm I'm kind of solution in sort of base person I get her plus if there's to me problems or not you know I don't know a solution for them and so I've been kind of pondering over the whole what was said yesterday with the lawyer in the what's said today and I'm kind of with him up here like how do we really have a successful industry that doesn't completely go against the law and then get us in trouble so I'm just going to throw out a solution that I have no idea is a solution I just would like and he back. What if we had something like a. A program after say a certificate program or a program that was after grad they would target he's areas it was still a required part of the program when the kids are older and you want them to still be able to get some of these skills but they have to be eighteen or whatever but it was still part of the program somehow I don't know this is. If it's even practical anyway that's what I'm going to ask you so it's a it's a very good question and somebody here mentioned this to me and I can't remember who it was maybe it was one of the there's one school that's now it's in the school in Korea they have gone with a five year program right one of my on target. OK well they've done something. But their emphasis is on training missionaries and they're putting out a lot of they're putting them out into internships on a regular basis. They're they're traveling into the mission field into an interned ship situation as part of their schooling on a very regular basis so I don't know if that's total but I think it answers the question to a degree that yes I think there's some possibilities there and. Post high school program is certainly a book ational post high school program who here knows of a Seventh Day Adventist vocational school post high school but. I know I'm saying we have that layer Vangelis but I'm talking about the practical welding did it is there such a thing. I don't know I mean that was pretty much we've actually talked about that yeah I don't know when that was he said Well. Yeah OK we've got a comment for the back and I would come to purchase. There is a close it's graduation imposed graduation program over at Loma Linda just opened up this past year it's called the salmon Well gateway college and it basically it will bring in anybody who doesn't have a high school diploma helps them achieve that and it creates those health care foundational programs certificates that can lead all the way up to a doctoral program OK All right. Thinking a program and tell point also GMO I go back start of the skull but his is a junior college and so it is a postgraduate program but he does some certificate of programs. Now in California there are are O.T.C. programs regional occupational career programs but they're not connected to the admins didn't think that they would be phenomenal to model something like that because there would be people that was would maybe look at that and I know Gene has gone through a lot of failures before I mean he's learned a lot he's got a lot to share and like anybody who's starting something can maybe point somebody in the right direction if you do want to do more post-grad certificate it stuck. OK Charles a question over here. Oh sorry. Let us not pass you up. As I'm sitting here listening to all of this question stuff you know I just want to encourage all of us Jesus says in the last day he's going to be. For us and the whole goal is bringing souls into Christ right whether we homeschool in our churches with me to the community and so I just want to be cursed because God has a plan all of us what your baby is which isn't open to his suggestions OK Thank you. I've been pondering and asked a similar question you know if we can't do both support the school and train for character development which one should we focus more on and I went back to education you know chapter what is it twenty four on manual training it was just get me through it and I know there's more out there than just that chapter but there's more focus on character development and specifically training them to have something that they can fall back on or use as a self to just support themselves as they go out and do missionary work it doesn't say really much of anything about supporting the school well they're in academy or college so I'm just throwing out there you know what's the balance is our goal to support our Cademy or is our goal to do what God is asking us to do and then see what he'll do with that OK I'm going to I'm going to take off from that here because time is coming down on us but. And here's the pick up and. I'm going to go into failure mode OK this is been brought to the table a very nice way. What's this balance when we're training students so many share my personal experience I'm open to for a little bit to see at what point we draw the line. And say we've done we could this didn't work because Academy bought We purchased a business that was in operation individual entrepreneur had said I think we should supply good healthy food to our community and we should grow alfalfa sprouts and sell them to the community so he started a business in his home in his basement growing alfalfa sprouts and he grew to the point where he was making around selling alfalfa sprouts and he said I'm moving somewhere else I want to get rid of my business would you guys like my business. Is pitch perfect with what we're doing it's agriculture and nature it's relatively simple and we could just pick that up and sell sprouts and we said fine let's pick this up to sell sprouts So we set up a little building we had we changed the purpose the building we set up straw growing rooms and little quit there and we began to grow sprouts and we package them in gallon jugs and we could use even elementary school students to do part of this process because it was so simple just picking up scraps and you putting them in a jug and they could put a hat on and they put an apron on and gloves on and. It was very simple and it was rag cultural and it just seemed such a good and we were selling sprouts for a while and we began to expand or we say praise God we're going to mint this one to Birmingham we're selling sprouts Air Base getting healthy and we're part of that well it worked well for a number of years. And we were surviving we weren't making a lot of money but we were surviving and it was definitely good training and I don't remember what year it was but there began to be some Or if you remember this some scare because there was salmonella that was being on the seed that was being sprouted that was being delivered to the restaurants and people were not willing to buy sprouts any more even the restaurants because there was there was this. And even today when you go to restaurants they generally don't have a lot sprouts on the bar because of that scare and what happened so suddenly our sales began to fall we were still capable of making but the sales were falling and we were paying a full time delivery person to go from harbor to those academy to Memphis and Nashville and Birmingham and anybody who knows what it takes to put somebody on the road in a truck you can identify with me we were in a crisis we were paying people to eat sprouts as much as I love people being healthy. As much as I love the training that was happening as a result of students putting sprouts and jugs as much as it was in harmony with our mission in line with everything we were doing people stopped buying sprouts. The guy had the driver call me one day and he said. I said Praise God. I said I'm going to send I want to send the guys down with the trailer and we'll pick the truck up and bring it home and I'll talk to you when you get here we got the truck home put it behind the shop said a blessing over it and I called them in the office and I said Listen I'm sorry we're out of business we've been paying people to eat sprouts for a number of. Months now almost a year now we can't seem to bring it back we can't seem to penetrate this thing in the way it needs to be penetrated and now Harbor his academy is investing in feeding our community and paying them sprouts. And we can't do that anymore so as much as we love the business as much as we love the training and character development we had to make a business decision that said it's over we can't pay people the it sprouts anymore it didn't end the training operatives on our campus it's got there's still plenty of character development going on everywhere but that's an example of failure I say. However you define it we were not successful in that industry is as much as we wanted to be as hard as we tried as much work and sweat and blood and tears we put into that and we just weren't. So my question to you is when and how do you fail gracefully at what point do you draw the line where you've paid enough people to eat sprouts that you have to say that. You know Michael. I wouldn't to find that as a business failure right that that wasn't that you were incapable of operating the business or didn't know how to do things the economic situation changed right so the product no longer had the value that it had whatever reason and you couldn't adjust your costs to match the change in demand and so that's a business decision and I think that we do have to be prudent that way because Christ did say we need to count the cost right so we're doing things. You can't completely divorce because it's a building from the profit making right a profit making does not have to be excessive but at the end of the day if you put the character building in place and yet the school stops functioning because it ran out of money you've lost at the same time we have to have some faith that if we're doing what God wants. He's going to make ways available it's just not going to be necessarily as clear cut so I think the answer requires a lot of prayer and it requires a lot of attention but we can't be cavalier about the fact that as long as I'm doing the work of God there's zero opposition I don't have to worry about anything nor can we allow the bottom line to completely nominee the thought process in how we offer services OK then so help us here there's a business book out that's very famous as this book is called Who Moved the cheese I think people lot of you read that. And so the question is when you recognize that that's a good question I could tell you most people don't recognize it soon and. That's pretty common it's human nature you always want to try to keep going back to the same spot but things change and that's why I mentioned earlier it's important then age was he had a business he had other business side that so didn't feel there. OK So the key there again going back to the prince what I talked about earlier it's important to have a lot of different industries so that it when when the cheese does move in this particular instance it doesn't hurt your it's going to hurt it's going to hurt every time it's going to hurt but doesn't kill you that's the best it like I like it I like to say things that are you may cause you to chuckle or make you causes and think so so I'm going laid out this next next several words in a way that creates usually spawns the desire to accumulate wealth isn't the original affection of our nature. For a fals. Implanted there buyer Heavenly Father. For Noble Yeah he does oh I just don't get that kind of response are all all there was a lot of times when I'm talking to folks. They first hear this this phrase that is articulate accumulate wealth is a reflection of our nature Well yeah but they think it's all it's always. Inflated by The Heavenly Father they are using it as the rejection. And then as lasting words are not. Our passion and the answers are he's here and make a profit everywhere he. Wants it and. So. Steve I see you just about say something but before you do I want to ask you you've managed industry you have this experience and and I think sometimes one of our downfalls honestly is that we have been poor managers I don't think that's in harmony with got planned and honestly I think he expects us to be good managers but from your perspective how do you how do you see this like what's been said here at the other end. First of all do we know what our niches do we know what we're good at and so often the industry that we partner with especially if we own it is you know it's different when you're when you're partnering with another organization and perhaps you know you're sending your labor force there you know as Rosie said you know there that reduces some of the issues that we can have to deal with but are you good at what you're going to jump into and if you're not you better hire experts that are going to help you understand what you just joined and perhaps see those tea leaves as their start to change as she starts she starts to move you know help you in and out of that because I think so often we have the best of intentions but we don't know what we're doing and and so then we you know we get ourselves you know down this this dead end and yeah it's hard to turn around because if I just do a little more it would just there's you know it's difficult to her question you know what's the priority and I just that's a great quote. Certainly you know when you look at from the education side and that's you know I spent all my time on the inside of this how do you find education how do because the whole purpose of funding education for me is how do I minimize the cost to the parents how do I get that cost down because the lower I can get that not to not do the calculation changed it's ironic to me I keep track of what it costs in the public school system in our area and I'm always intrigued when they put out the statistics to say this is what we spend per pupil now in Hamilton County that I'm getting used to it's X. It's very much like what we spend per pupil and they just have a different funding model that. Conference schools have a different funding model than self-supporting schools in at the end of the day what we're trying to do is get more students into our schools and finances isn't always it's sometimes a crutch sometimes the club that is used there's other reasons but finances is definitely an issue that we deal with so whether it's donors you know you said ninety percent I'm about seventy five percent of ours comes from tuition fees and as a Congress will have other subsidies and things and also in kind of churches ditches that help me with the other twenty five ministry so it's not participate it's also not drink so industry first of all needs to not be the during you know because that's what happens it's so easy for us to. Lose ground and then all of a sudden our tuition is funding. Rolls and those parents are having to pay for something that's going on the other way but I always looked at to say even if we're breaking even you know if if all we're doing is breaking even I've provided sixty thousand dollars a year in free student labor I've put it's like a worthy student fund as long as I'm breaking not so it's awfully hard to make that argument to the board we lost sixty thousand but sixty thousand of it was student labor which came to us and that's not an easy argument I had make that too many times but it's painful when you have to make an argument I think the answer is yes we have to be profitable we have to maintain you know they don't call us nonprofits we're not for profit it's a subtle difference because nonprofits want to go out of business. Not for Profit means that our focus isn't profit we still have to be profitable and we still have to put reserves on the bottom line and so I think you know the goal is to to stay in business as a school and that but I think you can look at it even if it even if the industry isn't reducing tuitions perhaps and making so many dollars that it's helping the bottom line on that side what are we providing Yeah we're providing the intrinsic value of the work and all the things we're talking about that's that's critical but but I know we would we would go to court how many dollars Our student labor was was was generated by this that comes directly to the school and helps affordability and to us that was a profit even if I wasn't above zero. All of the hopes OK Thank you Debbie. One just and here in the conversation I ever resonate so I mean I go to bed thinking about I wake up thinking about it. You know it's difficult in a supporting work to be an educator trying to be a business person and to run a business at an educational institution because they're they can be very times by magically opposed as we've talked about here and I think that what ends will mention and some of the conversation here is it really hit home to me that. I need to find someone who knows how to do what I am needing to do not to assume and I don't know about any other minister here but we have a tendency to wear many has of whatever needs to be warm and think that we can try and do it and fail every time or struggle every time using resources that are counterproductive or are taking from the educational side right for the schools supporting the farm rather than the farm supporting the school and you know I've made all those mistakes and struggle through all that battle and you know shame on me for even beginning to think that I could do what maybe somebody else should be doing and it doesn't mean I can't learn it doesn't mean I can't help but maybe it's not my place to run it and maybe that's the mistake that I've tried to make over the course of the years and trying to make it work that I've. Well and maybe in the words honest you need to learn maybe the words not asking me to do that and instead is expecting me to step out in faith for somebody else to because I feel like I can't afford it right the institution can't swing it really can't afford to hire somebody to do that or you know so we don't and we think that we can do it ourselves and struggle too much so I mean I'm feeling that conviction of this work is we're talking because it's just a constant struggle and you know not the only institution and with me we commiserated together through it you know and how do we make that work I want to residents that you said you know how do you how do you run a school as a business is a business school. And I think it is unique it is different you know if you have a parent that comes in and they have been paying their bill and at some point obviously the other parents aren't funding that parent you know it's all it all comes back down and you're faced with this reality do we let this family go to do the kids move on to another place to go to a public school or they go and the ministry side the mission of what we do in education is conflict with what would be a normal for the rights of the suppliers and you know if they're if you're paying your suppliers pretty soon you don't have any here. You know our supply is is is these families that are struggling and so I think we are challenged because taking a traditional business model into a ministry which is all of our. Puts is a great conflict we have to stay in business he said that if we got a business we've lost our hope we've lost our opportunity and yet. Here we find those and and it goes back to then I appreciate what you said about her earlier from from being inside the school site for so many years so much is often put on the school wire to accomplishing this why are the kids coming out here ready for ministry why aren't they why are they so rotten to the core Why why is this one. You know again it it to me that's a chip on our shoulders from the education side it's an We don't walk right in a vacuum we're microcosm of society we have again I I mean some of the beat up on parents today we have pastors and churches and parents and grandparents and everybody is influencing this thing and so as we as we look at what we're trying to accomplish in industry in trying to make sure that that vocational side comes out we need the entire system to be supporting that not just the schools we need it to come from the pulpit we need to come from. A revival of reading in. The councils that we already have. Because so often we were we feel like we're facing this tidal wave of stuff coming out of this that is not productive or where we're trying and it's it's it's you know it's hard to take your kids you know you have six seven hours a day every day and I'm old whatever we're supposed to be you know in our in our in our education ministry then they go home and if they go home to something that completely turns that around your point you're facing demons that are very difficult the next morning eight o'clock so yeah it we're you know this this is wonderful and from an education perspective I think you know we hold the same oars but we have to get this wider we have to we have to involve the system because it's it can break it down faster than we can build it up. OK I want to take Phil then I'm going to summarize and then I want to ask these three minute gentlemen here to give us their words of wisdom in a couple of sentences their closing thoughts OK so they can have some time to think about that. But we're going to hear from Bill and then I'm going to summarize I've given you fair notice. Of the question OK. I was just going to add on to ski testimony from his school we have a pretty current. Industry or business that we're having to close it's closing Well the projected date is April third and that is the pleasure Valley market bakery that's been there a lot of time. I guess it started as a commissary seventy some years ago and anyway it's always been it's kind of like a miniature the ledge market. But reality has struck it is struck for many years now and they've tried everything conceivable to make it a success just really good made a big push in advertising in really getting the word out there it's been remodeled some years ago it's a beautiful little store but the reality is that she's moved the. Market is not there the traffic is not there the dedication to that small store there and so we realize that this is becoming a drain on the corporation to the tune of close to one hundred thousand dollars a year. In the negative and so yeah we've got ten or eleven students working there but we're paying their wages plus losing one hundred thousand dollars and is that sustainable that's an awful big investment just to give people a place to buy their veggies. But with that comes in it cost. You're you're not going to lose that hundred thousand dollars but you have the negative stigma in the community that you've shot a business down and against the idea that your school is somehow in a downward trend instead of an upward. So that has to be overcome and we don't have a long time overcoming that because with the closing down of one business there needs to be a thought a vision something to expand in another area to take off and I appreciate I don't know how to work but I appreciate sitting through. Seminar because that that's an asset that we have that is not currently being tapped into it's been tried in the past too and that's what's going to make it difficult his failures in the past sometimes prevent us from from going in the future and even though that we're clearly told that's God's ideal for a school so we're going to have to work on overcoming that doing it in the right way but there's another cost besides just shutting the business down it's the perception. That you have to figure out how to redirect and turn into a positive energy instead of just negative. Thank you OK So I'm just going to give you a brief summary of the working points that I'm taking away today so maybe you can pick your way and then last comments around here so. Work and industry is a part of God's plan for education and taking away that one of our major focuses of the program is to develop the characteristics that we want our young people to have as they move to the future honesty integrity. And taking away that one of our jobs is that we want to give them in the process a passion not just a oh ho hum but actually a passion for the work they do and yes there has to be some production or we're in trouble. Service industries are a possibility they may not fill all the requirements but they are certainly a possibility for something to investigate may have value. I like this idea a piece rate work that I heard coming in and I don't think are very many of us that do that where they were packaging boxes on a piece rate basis right I mean so much of box you've done. So if you get so much money hey it's a certainly incentive I pick up the idea that we as institutions need to work diligently to develop partnerships it's important to have partners. And actually. Yeah I'm going to think more about this because having someone else that's responsible for the dirty details is a real blessing OK when I say the dirty details rest the I'm talking about the workers' comp and the right if there's a an industry that works and can manage that aspect in a partnership arrangement be huge blessing we have a great respect and recognition. Personally for hard work but we may not always share that with our students in a productive way and affirming their hard work is important I think I picked that up here. I picked up here that we have sometimes we need to change our mindset about the way things are and the idea of how we balance there's still this huge tension between the. Calculus and. Milking the cow right it's just there we recognize that it's going to require training our parents it's going to require training our students are going to try to training our teachers because many have come through the system where you get a calculus you're going straight ahead. If you can milk the cow Oh well we'll pray for you you know I mean reality but we need to sometimes change our expectations. I like bridges comment small student run things hey let's do let's have bridges show us how to create young entrepreneurs praise God our church needs them are our community needs them we need them. Testimonies that were shared here today about how this kind of thing impacted your life personally that's huge for me Ellie work yeah you know that actually is is a very it's kind of a service industry but it's a very ideal service industry you can start selling books August fifth Payne you can stop on November fifth pain you can pick up on January one you can do a lot of things with selling books that you can't do with any other industry. I picked up that we should be wise enough and humble enough to ask for help and get an expert involved when you need one because he's got they know more than we do that's why I'm going to Romania to get IT expert to show me how to run my greenhouses because when I went there I said there are people that know how to run greenhouses I don't I've never seen plants grow and produce like they produce them praise God That's where I'm going Lord is willing I'm going to bring a Romanian gardener to my campus and he's going to show me how to run greenhouses and then vent train from people so that I can have greenhouses actually producing like theirs anyway so ask for an expert and thank you to our experts today what are your final comments. You know I think we need to we need to decide that we're going to stand for something you know I think deep down it goes to the niche business that you know what you are about or that that the your culture is this and and not if you don't like it go somewhere else but this is what we stand for this is what's important to us. I think we went around the room that line would be in different places for each of us different places on different subjects there are there are certain things that we bog down in schools in our board meetings in our in our over cultural differences over you know rules and regulations change philosophies don't. The cheese is moved you know as as as as impressive as the baddest and. As president hasn't called was it doesn't operate exactly the same way the philosophy is the same but how we do it that she has moved over a hundred years and we can't do education we can't do industry the way we did even twenty years ago because of things by standing up and recognising that the twenty first century has dealt us these cards. This is what we stand for and this is how we're going to make it happen. Use our expertise be humble enough to to get people involved that can help us be successful we want to win kids for Christ we want them in our school system whatever that system is home school to to conference halls when we stand for something you know people gravitate to they gravitate to passion when we're passion about what we are and we know what we are and we stand for it families will find ways donors will support we have enough resources we have kids to fill our schools to be successful we need to be I guess I think I just say stand for it stand for something be very clear and I believe then the resources will come to finish his work. So in all we do you will to the Gloria. So we have students who excel in excelling credibly well in some of their classes those same students put so much work to make great grades the parents who are here at this high school or see and yet somehow we've got to connect the dots that when our students out of pool and we should excel in how they're pulling as we health me they did it how well the routes to the bottom of that we are picked up and that that's a loss it's never changes and that's for all students and so how we got to connect those dots because that is where your in your heart is or it's everything second thing is as what what what another component of what we are a bell Is it relates to a career in the real world is something that could be sold in the street. For potential businesses to employ students and that is your passion for truth or has her trust trustworthiness. If I have someone come to my business and step on the way one of our one of the highest character traits we're on our top of the list of top ten top five whatever is trust we're going to offer you the top five students who have who have learned those who got us there. And we and we surely you can trust them why would employer doesn't want to have their own nation this year and somehow if you're able to capitalize. What a beautiful thing that you have and so want to rinse off slightly a little bit on that. Business philosophies is a phrase that is often shared family business family don't hire family you can't fire things. So when you have these classes and you see a student that is not being honest or struggling with cheating or what is it that is a an adjustment of pain if the pain is high enough you can correct a behavior and change a life or a life that goes back a relationship and then the sense is second in. The third on. The last to last in this year is I'm not aware of any successful long term business at doesn't have at least one or more leaders that this is their passion or their lives they measure every bit of their own self-worth sure on the other foundational things as Christians but as a as a as a prophet a body productive a productive life everything surrounds that operation and and and and there's no business that doesn't have something like that that's with. And. Asked for expert place like the one I think of the most is what my uncle told me one time he told me he couldn't he knew how to raise everyone's children except a zone. You know when it comes down to it there's only two ways you make you can make money. You make more than you spend or you spend less and you make. Shrine not to do things so complicated try to bring things down to the basics in what you do I'm in banking I lend people money and they pay me that I go through all the details all the stuff that goes on you bake cakes you know it's simple and there's a lot to it but the basics is he's a baker so just make sure that when you're looking at your business you're looking at what you're doing go down the basics of what you do and then grow from there because you get caught up in get so overwhelmed with all the things going on you start cavity and that's that's a problem i know i do it all the time and I've got to remember to go back to basics my dad my dad used to always tell me that let's go back to basics back to what's really the whole nation and build. And so you know as your as your church struggling with your businesses I know it's a struggle you're right though your house just remember though that you know the foundation what you do is you're changing its life you know if I'm in a site organization of passion yes I because I think that everyone has an opportunity to witness you're creating young people that's going to have opportunity when this matter where they go you know I'm a banker but my real job as Tony's But she's right so just just remember what real passion your basics of what you're doing and the and celebrate your successes don't always look to failures to celebrate your successes too and remember that if you do that. And what they're doing when. We're here your school is an institution it's a very valued you know yours and the other side. You know missions inside all the others other parts but I listen to lay people and they talk about their children that's gone through your schools and and the education that they've gotten then and it's a real value and it's a real need and and I just want you know we appreciate all the work you all do to make your part of the gospel for the world because your. Region. Reporter Mike. I'm going to ask this to stand and I'm going to ask Morris if he would pray for us this is the education director from the European division thanks for being here pray for says we close out today I hope this has been a blessing to you and may God help us. Thank you to follow it all the best opportunity to. Be here sharing the same passion you and trying to put all into the out of the challenge to train people and to show them and plan to have them thank you for all the time we turn from each other as yeah looking forward. To and accomplishing plan according to weigh in. And as we have already discovered to us we humbly lift up our schools. Even if you know home schools or home like schools churches schools relief to help the kids in need as am looking for opportunity to be better train really stopped our teachers and our offices on the station the stuff of school. The FOS the blessing of receiving the Holy Spirit's power to use it or good education. On tea and we'll meet you which. You. Just do. This media was brought to you by audio first a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio or if you would like to listen to more sermon leave visit W.W.W. dot audio first dot org.


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