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03- How to Navigate Past Brick Walls

Sebastien Braxton
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In our third podcast, listen in as Shauna Chung and Esther Louw discuss how to overcome failure and disappointment with Sebastien Braxton. Sebastien’s perspective is down-to-earth as he describes practical lessons from his own life. In this lively discussion, Sebastien addresses practical tips for overcoming failure as well as encouragement for pursuing the passions and dreams that God is laying on your heart and life. Join us on the journey as we travel with Sebastien from the projects of Chicago to the jungles of India.

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Sebastien Braxton

Co-Founder, R3

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  • February 12, 2018
    10:00 AM

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Failure is a town that everyone visits, whether you're trying to get a ministry either off the ground or you're simply trying to move forward in your experience of God. You're guaranteed to come across obstacles that are there to bring an end to your plans. In the book Christ Object Lessons, the author states that “whatever is to be done at God's command may be accomplished in His strength. All His biddings are enablings and yet despite knowing this, it's easy to become discouraged, when we can't see God working through us.

 

In this episode, Shauna Chung and I talk with Sebastien Braxton about how to navigate past brick walls. Sebastien speaks to us of personal experience. As a child growing up in the projects, he learnt to move forward even when everything seemed to be going against him. Later when he joined the Marines, Sebastian came to recognize failure as a challenge rather than a discouragement. Obstacles were the things that pushed him. Today, Sebastien is an entrepreneur and a radical preacher as well as a former program director of campus on the Founder Stride Public Campus ministry treating programs in Michigan and Boston. Join with us in our conversation at GYC conference in Phoenix in 2017.

 

Thank you so much Sebastien for being here.

 

Thank you for having me.

 

And for talking about how to navigate past brick walls. What is, I guess, your personal experience with obstacles?

 

Well, when I think about my personal experience with obstacles, I imagined that my life kinda started off with every possible obstacle. You know, my parents divorced at a young age. I was born out of wedlock, grew up in inner city’s, single mom, government funding, didn’t have money, didn't have Christmas presents, didn't have foods sometimes, then you have gang violence, then you have school violence, then you have younger siblings you have to protect, but your mom's working 16 hours. So I didn't get to get piano lessons and you know different things. So you, you know, much of my life was a fulfilling a promise I made to my mom, you know, when I was a kid that you know, where. There was a night when my mom had gotten her check and our government food stamp funding and so she was like “Oh I’m like stock the fridge and I’m gonna have all this food” and my mom is all about creating these experiences and so we had the food stock and we're all “Oh, we got this for the very first time” and like these, like Flintstone pops whatever, and so we went to bed and in the middle of the night, we just heard a crash, right and then this crash was like “what was going on” and so I get out of bed because I'm a little more, you know, rushed towards danger not stay at the bed and then eventually my mom comes and basically, you know, long story short, gang broke into our house, took all the food out the fridge, all of it, I mean, all of it, freezer, fridge, fruits and vegetables, everything and I just saw my mom, just slowly, you know, sit into the couch and just cry like just so frustrated, and so I remember as a kid, I was like “you know, mom,” you know, one day, when I can be poor when I was like 7 years old kid, like, “you know, mom, we’ll be rich and I’m gonna take care of you, were gonna do all of this kind of stuff” And so then, for me, it just became this thing that obstacles were kind of my encouragement. They were my impetus. They would have things that push me because it was like “well ,I've been through worse.” Then one of the most profound thing, as my dad said to me, was that, you know, there's a good thing about being poor. And he says, “A good thing about being poor is you know what you can live without. You can still move forward without all of these things. You don't have Nintendo, you don't have games, you don't have all this money, you don't have new Nike's, but you can move forward. And I think, for me, obstacles became more opportunities, like they became moments of innovation, like when we were poor as kids, we can't afford checkers, and these kind of things Monopoly. So we would take like, you know milk caps from different colors, a whole milk is red, two percent is blue and then we would save up enough caps and draw our own board and we could play checkers. And we can’t afford monopoly but our apartment building had like a sidewalk that went all the way around so then we just took chalk, it was like three bucks, right, my mom bought it for us, and then we just drew the spaces of the Monopoly board on the sidewalk squares. And then we like created our own money from like some different paper that we had and we like cut it up and we put the amounts and like we had Go, we had Park Place, and like all this stuff and so then, we used our bikes as kind of like our pieces and drove around, it's like, you know, so it was like, we created our own monopoly.

 

So to me my experience what obstacles really always converged on looking at the mass opportunities; but also things that push me to get to innovation, to like well maybe I need to do it a different way, because, in my mind, I should have money. I want to have money. I can get these new shoes and then I can become cool and everybody will like me and the girl in the cheer leading team is gonna pay to attention to me. And so that's kind of where I framed obstacles. It's like “Oh, it's an opportunity.”

 

So you're talking about having a background of just obstacles in your life you have no control over. How about once you became a Christian and having this, you got into ministry, did you find yourself approaching obstacles in the same way? How did you relate to obstacles in ministry?

 

Of course because when I, when I came into the church, I was in the Marine Corps as well. And the Marine Corps just kind of takes that mindset to like “the next level,” it’s like there is no failure. If you're a Marine it’s like. So, you know, when I , when I was baptized, I was still a Marine when I was baptized. So, to me, that military mindset of failure is not an option and obstacles are basically like the difference between you and greatness. That's how the Marine Corps looks at it. Right. The ones who are remembered are the ones to conquer obstacles; the ones who are forgotten are the ones that look at them.

 

So, essentially, when I came into the church again, right, I didn't have a Christian, Adventist background. I didn’t know all the hymns. I didn’t know all the Bible texts. So, I remember my first time being asked to teach Sabbath school before I was baptized, actually. So, I'd only started going to church, the second Sabbath of January 2002. This was the first Sabbath of February.

 

Oh, Wow.

 

Right. So, I'm there at church and this girl at my school, because I was baptized on the secular campus. She didn't know that I was Adventist or that I was going to the Adventist Church and I don't know she was Adventist. And she was clearly worldly in not living a Christian life. So when I found out she's on with the Sabbath School. She's like “your Adventist?” “Your Adventist?” “Yeah, I go to this church.” And so she got the youth director to invite me to teach Sabbath school. The crazy thing was, I was so overwhelmed with the idea that I didn't have the background in the Bible and all these doctrines, so I memorized the whole lesson like the paragraphs, the verses, everything. So I came to teach the class and everyone's like I'm fielding questions, I'm answering them from memory. So where does, you know, that, I remember the lesson is on the armor of God, and so they're like “ah, many thanks, it a great job” and come to find out the youth leader was actually there. And afterwards, he's like “Yeah, man, so how long you've been Adventist?” “I'm not Adventist.” “What” “What do you mean?” And it was like I actually just started going to church 3 Sabbaths ago. “What?” And so he's like, “What are you talking about?”  It was like, “so you raise a question only” “No, actually I wasn't?” And you just get these constant shock looks, you know. So for me, it was like the fact that I didn't know the Bible, the fact I didn't even know what the books of the Bible were, I didn't know, if you asked me who, you know, Job was, you told ole Saul, I didn't know there were two, right? You know, those are things I didn't know. So I used to study, you know, seven, eight, nine hours a day in the Bible because again I come from the poor background and the Marine background which says “here's an obstacle, so guess what, I just gotta study and catch up to my knowledge.”

 

I really admire the journey that you’ve taken and the fact that you've used obstacles as a catalyst to improve something or to create something. For those who see obstacles as debilitating, right, that they're unable to get past it, to see if anything useful in their life, what kind of response might you have that situation?

 

Well, to me, I mean, you definitely have to start with mindset and perception first, right? You know, you, you recognize that I didn't, I wasn't born that way, right? There were circumstances where I had to make a decision and a lot of times when people think of obstacles, they are, what they're really think about is crises. I don't want to be put in a situation where I have to be, have to make a decision, that's what a crisis is - have to decide between this or this. You wanna make it, so you can just use your own time and when you have time to review things and get a good feel of it. So to me, when a lot of people feel like they're stuck at an obstacle, what they're really stuck at is a crossroad where they have to make a decision that may not be popular or preferred or whatever.

 

And so to me you first have to take your mindset to say “Guess what? Making decisions is a part of life and I can't be afraid of where this is going to take me.” The second thing is that once you get the perception piece under control, then you have to recognize that obstacles may take time to overcome. You know, some people they’re “I'm trapped” or “I'm stuck” is not really “I'm stuck.” It means it's not moving fast as I would like, right? It's not going away when I wanted to go away. But the reality is, is that, when you know, “I need to finish school, I'm not going to finish my medical degree in two years,” right. It's just not gonna happen; but it's an obstacle. I have to overcome it. I'm not going to baptize this person by next month, like it's not going to happen. So I have to accept the fact that there is a process, there's a time and that's where you know, we get to the third element which is when you involve God in what's happening, then you also have to take into account that these things that are coming up before me, there are allowed by God. So then the question becomes “What is His purpose in allowing the obstacle to be there?” Paul prayed three times to get that thorn removed from his flesh and God said “My grace is sufficient.” He didn't say “I'll take it away, just give me some time.”

 

Right.

 

You know, versus Daniel prays three, three weeks of fasting and God says, “Oh Gabriel, well with the prince the devil was basically fighting and I had to send Jesus, Michael, to come and to deal with it.“ So you have on one level, you were praying and fasting which was anticipating the success of overcome any obstacle versus the other one it was like I'm never going to remove it; but you have to trust that my grace is sufficient to carry you through. So I think those are three things I feel, when you feel stuck, you can have to keep in mind.

 

Yeah, that's powerful. You know, we're talking about obstacles and what I've seen and a big obstacle can be like a fear failure or failure itself.

 

Yeah.

 

So how’s a great attitude or way to approach failure especially if you’ve done it over and over again so that you can get beyond it.

 

You know, failure is some that, the fear of failure is definitely something that constrains people, right? There's no question on that. It's probably one of my most exciting things to address with people. And the reason for that is because when you sit down, you ask them a set of questions. Things begin to emerge a lot clearer in their mind. So they say well, what's wrong, “I'm afraid I might fail.” Ok. Do you fail now? But you still live life, right?

 

The truth of the matter is fear of failure to its logical conclusion leads to life paralysis. If you're really gonna live that way, you'll do nothing. “Well, If I go and get this degree, what if I never get hired?” “Well, if I become a medical that? What if I don't go into the rotation I want?” The fear of failure is always there, but somehow you're able to transcend it and bypass it. So to me, you have to step back and ask yourself this question, right?

 

The fear of failure is what constrains us from living a meaningful and passionate life. The things that are exciting in life, where your purpose lies, think about every single biblical character who was called into a great work by God. He or she would have never experienced what they experience of what God was willing to do for them if they were constrained by the fear of failure. Noah build an ark. Well, if you’re afraid of failure, you will never know his name. Abraham, David, you can go from person to person to person. So in every single thing that we find ourselves saying, “Man, I'm afraid to fail,” you're only afraid to fail primarily in a Christian worldview because you think it's dependent on you. But you look at Moses, you look at Joshua, you look at these people who had faults, and yet God was still able to accomplish His purpose. So that lets me know that God can still work His purpose out through imperfect me and still fulfill His perfect plan. So that helps me to see that failure, for me in a Christian context, has always been this thing that “why would I be afraid of failure, if, number 1, would God is calling me to do is what He's calling me to do, right?” This is what I'm doing. So it's not like David, right? He wanted to build a house for God. And God said, “No,” but that's because it was, it wasn't something God had commanded David to do.

 

Right.

 

But when it was something that God called David to do, He was always guaranteed success. So that removes the fear of failure. But then let's say you're doing something God called you to do, like evangelism.

 

Right.

 

And you say, “God called me to do this.” Well. And why would God tell you to do something you were destined to fail? Ah. So that's where we have the whole point that all His biddings are enabling. So, if He calls you to it, He'll bring you through it, He’ll give you the skills to do it because He called you to do it. And guess what? When you do it on His command, He's responsible for the results. That's a military concept, right? If you send 50 men/marines into a territory and they die, it's not on the sergeant. It's on the commander who sent them. You lost fifty troops because you were the one who commanded them. They were going on your orders. So in this sense, when we look at failure in this sense, when those marines fail, it's on him, not the marines. In the same sense with God, we go when He commands, it's on God, it's not on me. And I guess, on a little more lighter sense because I know, I'm a lot more edgy and you know, rough with it.

 

So I also want to speak to the fact that I do have a tender side and then I recognize that there are obstacles in life that are harder to face than others for various reasons, right? Emotional reasons primarily, right? You, we, we don't want to face those things because for whatever reason, there's some emotional barrier or baggage to like “men to face this thing is like you just can't see yourself emotionally surviving it,” right? And so, I think in those circumstances, it's, it's something where you can't marine your way on it. You can’t just say, “I'm going to push through it.” It's gotta be something where you accept that this is gonna be a journey of a thousand steps and I just gotta start by taking one. And I just gotta move it, just a little bit, just move the needle a little bit, and I think for those kind of obstacles for people who are like “I feel stuck”  and “I feel constrained by that fear of failure,” like “why even try?”  You know, I think we address that; but I think on the other side, it's not a “why should I try?” It's more of a like “if I try and this happens, I don't know if I'm emotionally ready to deal with that.” Because the truth of the matter is we can develop cycles of life where, you know, we get the pink elephant syndrome, right? The elephant with the pink string, so you have the fact that because he was always chained on his leg, right? when he grows up, you just need to put a pink string because the chain has moved from his leg to his mind. In his mind, there is a chain there; because every single time, he's trying to kick, he couldn't get free. And I think for a lot of people they are living the elephant with pink string experience where this obstacle and there has been here for so long, I don't even try to break free.

 

Wow.

 

When now you actually have the strength to break free.

 

Yeah.

 

Because the chain is moved from your leg, from your finances, from your self-esteem, from your family to your mind. Before these were the barriers; but now you've grown out of this. You're big enough. You’re full grown pachyderm, you can break free of this thing. But in your mind, you can't; so therefore there is no reason to try.

 

Yeah.

 

I think when we bring the principles or these conceptions of failure into ministry or to the spiritual realm, there's a tendency for things to kinda be overshadowed by spiritual language.

 

Yeah.

 

I think that we don't oftentimes see the parallels between the failures that we've been discussing this entire time with the failure that is oftentimes experienced in ministry. And so for those that are, I guess, they feel called by God to do something and yet,

 

 Yeah.

 

They're experiencing is failure after failure after failure and it's just like “God is calling me to do this,” how, how do they, I guess, retain their motivation to keep going?

 

You know, I had a business mentor of mine say something that helps me address that point, as an entrepreneur, because entrepreneurship is all of your ability to sustain failure. And he said, “You know 80% of life is showing up” and when you think about the fact that for a lot of people who are like “I'm doing something God called me to do but I'm failing and I'm failing and I'm failing” and what they fail to realize is that God didn't call you necessarily to success tomorrow. He just called you to do the act. I am successful because I'm fulfilling the command. And for a lot of them, it's just showing up. Because if you think about Joshua walking around Jericho, he's training his army for this immense battle with this immensely fortified city. How to climb walls? How to do what arrows fired? What/how to build your armor like? These are how Joshua's training his army; but then he goes out, he's like “all right guys, all this hard work and push ups and like running, the Lord has called us to walk.” “What?” “He wants us to walk around a city?” Yeah. And then what? “We're gonna go home.” Just once. Just once. Musicians in the front. Musicians. Like if you think about this idea, right? I’m a trained soldier and my general says, “We’re going to walk around and go home seven days in a row.” “What in the world is this? But you, you recognize the fact that you are not called to go into Jericho on some hero mission through the windows into Rahab’s secret passageway and conquer the city, you're called to do it, God's way, in God's design.

 

You might just be act on---

 

That's right.

 

And you gotta accept that, right now, you just walk around the city. And you could perceive that as failure because we have not conquered.

 

Omm. Wow.

 

So in a sense, when people say “I keep seeing failure, failure,” we have to recognize that we do what is right because it is right, we leave the consequences with God. Success is faithfulness to the task.

 

Yeah. Okay.

 

But then, you come around to say Jericho gives us the hope of like “eventually the walls are gonna come down” and you're gonna say “now, its time to fight.” So that training you did was not for naught. It was for this moment.

 

So, let's say someone who think that they failed and failed and they haven’t vision and they're not getting anywhere with it and they keep persisting, how do we know whether our vision is worthwhile? If you keep trying or we should actually give up.

 

You guys saved all the hard questions. Haha.

 

So, when you think about having a vision and it keeps not working out, I mean, it's a very good question, I don't know if there is a textbook answer or a clinical answer to that question, if I'm to be honest; but I do believe there are concepts that speak to that experience. You know, one of, you know, the sermons I preached in the past is Unfulfilled Dreams which partially addresses that question, right, which is should I even dream at all? If life seems to be a continual story of unfulfilled dreams, it's a phrase I borrowed from Martin Luther King Jr.

 

So when you look at the fact that, I sat down with a man in India and he had not heard the sermon and so we were sitting in Bangalore, India and he was a doctor and he went out into the bush with his wife and his two kids. I'm talking like deep in the woods which is run by like gangsters and marauders like every night they would fight with the government and like local people and all these stuff. People get injured, bloody. He's a doctor. He's living in this hut like there is no security, right. There's no video. There's none of this stuff to protect him. They break into his house in the middle of the night and we're kidnapping him every night for ten years. And say, “look,” they will blindfold him, drag him through the night of the Indian jungle and say “listen,” put a machete to his neck and leave someone on his house and say, “look, you either heal my friend or your wife or your kids are dead.” So he would perform medical procedures like “guys, I need supplies,” right.

 

What a pressure?!

 

What do you need? So then, they would go and steal the stuff that he needed. He would be operating and helping restore these people and he is like “Lord, you call me out here,” right? So he was telling me the story and when I went to India at that time, he had just returned from this whole experience, right, he was now back in pursuing a different vision. Him and his wife and while we're sitting there talking at lunch, you know, he said, “Sebastien, I just, I left and not one soul, ten years of that.” “Wow.” And then, that's when I told him those words that, you know, I said, “David, it was in the heart of David to build a house, Solomon said, and God said to David, “you know, you're a man of blood, so you can’t build me a house.” But he said, “it is well because it was within your heart. So in God's mind, it was in your heart.” And he said, “hmmm.” And I said, “Now, the true depth here is when you understand it in the light of Christ, that it was in the heart of Jesus to save all men and to lead them all to the truth and He's gonna to go to heaven and there's still many people outside the city. And He's going to say, “Father, I wanted to save all men.” And God's gonna say to Jesus, “It is well because it was within your heart.”

 

And I mean, this man just broke down and that study always makes me cry personally simply because I understand the feeling, but I also understand that it gives you a different insight into Jesus’ heart. Because even Jesus experiences guaranteed eternal failure.

 

Wow.

 

And yet, He still did it. So when you talk about having a dream and a vision is like “how do I know to persist?” You know, I think for those individuals who go through those things, right? There is a. I don't think there's a clinical answer, but I think there is something in the fact that when God is laid upon my heart. You know, I have to be comforted by at least knowing that God is saying, “look, it's well” because at least it was within your heart to do it.

 

You know, in the words of Dwight Moody, someone came to him and said, “How you are preaching with your broken English and Dwight Moody said, “Well, I'm out here winning souls in my broken English. What are you doing with your perfect English?”

 

Because the point is like “I'm doing something.” So, to me, when you have your vision and your dream andyou're trying to build something for God, God is never the author of confusion, He'll let you know when He wants you to deviate. God does not operate in nebulous spaces. “This is God talking to me?” No. It's our own minds, right?

 

Notice when they came out of Egypt, “Is the Lord among us or not?” “What?” “What are you talking about?” You just crossed the Red Sea. You want cloud by day, pillar of fire by night, manna in the morning. Is the Lord among us? Brother what else could there be?

 

And so, I think that we have to put those things into context that these situations in the Bible are usually acknowledged those moments of confusion in kind of a nebulous thought like is this…It’s usually in our minds. It’s usually our lack of faith, but in other times when God did not want David to build, He made it clear to David, you know. And that's what I believe God loves us too much to be confusing. And, yeah, you know bread crumbs and Hansel and Gretel us to the woods of life and say hopefully you'll arrive at the destination I want. Why would He send His Only Son to die for us and make it confusing to fulfill His purpose? You're my maker, so why you make it difficult for me to do would you make me to do? At least to know it because I'm an intelligent being. And this is the same God that is saying, “Come, let us reason.” All these different things.

 

So, I just don't buy into the idea that this question which is really undermined by ‘how do I know God's will for my life.’

Yes.

 

Right?

 

Right.

 

Its. It's always reeks of that concept that God would literally make it difficult for you to know what He wants. No one who is in a loving relationship makes it difficult for the other person to know what they want. You just don't do that in life. And so for me, it's “I just don't see that question being fully accurate in its presuppositions” but I think I understand the pains and the experiences of it and I think I go through it as an entrepreneur. “Am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing? Is this distracting from preaching? Should I just quit this thing and shut down my business in just… Everyone go through that. But that's when you have to kinda go back and look at the Red Sea and the pillar of cloud and all those different things and be like them.

 

I don't need to wonder if the Lord is walking among us. I have plenty of evidences.

 

Well as we were talking about everything. I think one of the aspects of moving on or growing and learning from failure is learning when to let go. And then when you actually let go, have you kind of pick yourself back up and keep going?

 

Oh. Resilience. You know I. I found for myself that we sometimes as humans expect ourselves to be superhuman. We expect ourselves to operate mathematically. I subtracted this, therefore it is no longer part of the equation, we move forward. In life, this does not work that way. You know, logic cannot codify everything. You know and I think that's why I changed my major from math, right, when I was an engineer because I saw that there's certain things. Numbers in math cannot explain and cannot quantify.

 

And so, I think when it comes to resilience and recovering from circumstances, right, there is this concept that they call, you know, synthetic happiness, where you're constructing your happiness from “the situation of the guy who was supposed to partner with Ray Kroc and didn't and he's like best decision of his life. You know, the guy who spent time in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The evidence released him and he said, “You know I feel just as happy as ever.” And you expect these people to be biter, to be broken, but they were able to recognize that life has its highs and life has its lows. And they gave themselves time to come to grips and to accept what they had gone through, what they had lost, what they had gained. And I think a fundamental change that, you know, concept that helps us to heal is the ability to accept good and bad. I think sometimes only do the “Let Go dance,” it's gotta be all bad, right? There has to be nothing good about my ex-girlfriend because I had to end that relationship. My ex-boyfriend was a complete jerk, you know. And I have to say the negative things because how can you justify leaving a perfectly good Seventh Day Adventist young man. It's like “this makes no sense,” as I know because as my father used to say, “You can do everything right and still lose.” It's one hundred percent possible that there is nothing wrong with you. We just don't fit. It’s just doesn't work. And we have to accept the fact that, you know, in those, in those circumstances where I'm looking at, you know, letting go of a situation, it doesn't always have to be drastic or disaster driven. It can just be whatever it was and I can accept that she was a nice girl, we had some good times, I grew in certain ways because of her, but I need to move on. And I think for a lot of people that's a part of emotional maturity, that's a part of adulthood, that I'm able to accept good and bad. I don't have to criticize my girlfriend, my ex-wife or whoever in order to justify my decision to let go. And I think that helps with resilience.

 

You know, kind of recently was a counseling young woman who came out of a relationship and she's like, “Yeah, I don't know what to expect and I'm afraid. The last time I ended a relationship, I kind of stopped going to church and stop studying the Bible and just became emotionally distant.” And she was kinda like, you know, “I want you to hold me accountable, you know, to not do that. So this was a Sabbath afternoon, I was at my church and so week later I called, I said, “Hey, how are you doing? What’s up?” And she said, “Actually, you know, it's crazy, I feel perfectly fine and like I think I'm ready to talk to him and dadada… And I said, “whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Give this some time.”  And, you know, then she had an instance where I told her, when you have a relationship, you had a pattern of life. When a person is removed, when those patterns come back around, then it starts to hit you emotionally and through that she understood it because of a circumstance that came up where she was used to being involved and she was in that pattern. And now he's not there and that's not happening. So the letting go, you know, my argument is always you have to give yourself the time, the space to process. There's no rush, you don't have to be debilitated, but you also don't have to be like “Oh, everything’s fine.” I think you just have to accept that there's good, there's bad. Some days are gonna be easier than others. And this is my process. And whatever I need to do to go through my process to process that, that's my process. It’s my journey because it's my loss. And you don't have to compare yourself to others. You don't have to live up to some, you know, amorphous expectation floating around, out there in your mind or in the minds of the peers around you. You can just say, “Well, this is my journey, this is my I world.

 

I think that this is the perfect way to end this episode. I think that kinda wraps everything that we've been talking about, the fact that there are highs and there are lows; because looking outside of ourselves and transforming the pain into something productive and proactive.

 

Agreed. Agreed.

 

Thank you very much for your perspective.

 

I do my best. Thank you for having me. These are very deep questions so I hope that I did them justice and you know I think there is a lot more that needs to be explored on this topic. A lot more talk about, a lot more vulnerability from these heroes and so-called icons of communities and churches, like, you know, people need to learn from failure and see that there is a way back from failure and to recognize it's a town that everybody visits.

 

Special thanks to Sebastien Braxton for sharing with us. I hope you have been challenged to move past the obstacles in your life and to view failure not as a debilitating experience but as a motivator, an enabler for achieving success.

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