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3. Reformation & The Remnant

Adam Ramdin
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  • March 20, 2018
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Reformation and. The remnant. Is about as we start with a with a prayer Father in heaven we pray that you would bless us and speak to us. And be with us here in this place at this time we pray in Christ's name Amen as I mentioned on Sunday night the big three questions we have in life is where do I come from. Why am I here and where am I going. And those are the questions that challenges the various times in our lives sometimes we're not really bothered about one of the questions but there may be another one that's really bothering us and maybe when you're coming up to the end of a high school or college or university and you really want to know where you're going with your life in the immediate next two three or four years future where do we come from why are we here and where are we going you know we feel just look at your family there on the screen is my mother my father I cause mother and father and one hundred one year old grandmother on the far right hand side. Strong in health living on her own in a right mind and make their own breakfast every day. Now it's important for us to know maybe where our family's. Personal family where we come from. When we look at our ancestors our parents our grandparents and sometime we ask questions about our parents and about our grandparents or great grandparents and we find out who those people are it can explain sometimes who we are today sometimes traits of character we can understand when we know that our grand mother or father wasn't like that. And that's an interesting study to do I haven't gone back too far in my generations. But it's interesting to know where you come from it was Edmund Burke who said those that don't know the history are doomed to watch it to repeat it and unfortunately in this world we have seen history repeats itself on numerous occasions and it's often the negative side of history that gets repeated when we're filming for lineages is one story that does stand out not for the good part maybe I shared the story with you we were in Cambridge at the ways of the house myself and Clive and we were going to film in the building just next door to it which is Jesus College part of Cambridge University and on our way there we stopped and saw this building there it says Wesley House there on the thing so we walked into it into that doorway and a lady came out and talked to us and she said you know what are you doing we told her we were just looking around and then she proceeded to tell us that this was Wesley House said and she went out of that or that other and then heard what American in America the did you say this lady you working for the institution named after him was telling us that he was from America and he was an American we very carefully made a slow exit and then as we got to about the pig point where I took the photo we had we both. Laughing We didn't have the heart to let this lady know she told the so confidently that's kind of like going for a tour at the Ellen White a state. At the General Conference headquarters. And someone who works for the Ellen White estate. Then tells you all L O Y She she comes from Hungary and she was on Garion. They say history is linked to identity and if you don't know your history or your family then they question why. When we look at the Reformation and we see where God lead his people over the years this is a photo taken inside John Wesley John Wycliffe church soaring John Wycliffe church in Luxor worth England and then you can go there today you drive ever driving down the M one motorway on your way to London or or somewhere else in the south you get to junction I believe is junction twenty if you take junction twenty is no more than half a mile from the junction you will run if you know where you're going to John whereas John Wycliffe church you can't miss it it's on the Hill you just literally drive towards what you can see and then you've got John Wycliffe church he was the first person who translated the Bible into the language of the common people translated the Bible into the English language and then his church stands the day he translated the Bible and you can see a copy in the Old English just the what the bible looks like these men are some of our spiritual heritage Ellen White writes a whole chapter in the book great controversy about John Wycliffe and she says he was one of the foremost of all the reformers in breath of in selecting firmness of conviction except she says he was one of the best performers that ever was coming after John Wycliffe you had this woman here you can go to Prague today that's the old town square and they're looking down over the old town square is a statue of John Haas or as they say in Czech Republic yon horse he also had gotten a copy of John Wycliffe writings and he was starting to to preach the Bible in the language of the common people there in the Czech Republic and slowly the dominance was being peeled back then a hundred years later Martin Luther was on this very spare case it's one of the most authentic places in Rome if you go to Rome you get get a tour guide they tell you about they tell you lots of stories that you question the historical authenticity of much of the stories but if you go to this place you know for sure that on one of those steps. Martin Luther was on his knees and then he stood up when he heard the verse in his mind the just shall live by faith. Like on those staircase that's the case he had in the piff mini of understanding about the Gospel and got up and walked away you can go to Wittenberg Germany and they is the door it's not the Ritz literal door because the door has been removed it was a wooden door and it's been replaced with a metal door but it was on these this door here. Where he nailed or probably used some candle wax. Which doesn't sound as remarkable as nailing a ninety five pieces to the door but either way he posted his ninety five Theses to this door in fifteen seventeen on the thirty first of October the five hundred anniversary was last year these men. These people who went before us they left a legacy if you go to Westminster today. You got Westminster Abbey on one side and then just across the grass you've got the Central Methodist all. Which stands as a legacy of John Wesley's work here in England and America and in other parts of the world this here is the Reformation monument in wombs remembering the reformers like MOTs and Luther and some of the other ones this is Constance Germany remembering the spot where John was and at the stake that stone there on the right is the very spot where he was burned and after he was burned they dug his actually is and just to make sure they got all his ashes they dug the mud up under the action is as well and then they walked to the nearby river Rhine and dumped his ashes in the river Rhine when you read these stories you realise that men and women stood for something in an era when it was not popular it wasn't normal it wasn't the thing to do. The statues of various of these characters dotted around Europe. And Steph Jews are built on the the courageous stand that they made in the statue of John Wesley on the left William Tyndale on the right it's right outside the Ministry of Defense overlooking the river Thames in London right there is a statue of John Knox up in Scotland and the one there on the right that you can't quite know what that is at the top right that's a cross on the ground in Oxford that marks the spot that Lattimer Ridley and crime and. At the stake on that very spot you know why they were burned at the stake you know that meant this what do we understand will be the end time issue or one of the end time issues that we may have to make a stand on that will. Be Done a viable study on the market at least you understand a little bit about that we understand the Sabbath this is more than just a day of rest but one day and even today it is also a test. Of your faith and trust and relationship and got you know why these men were burned back then at least the Oxford motus What was the issue that they were burned over it was the issue that we sometimes take for granted today we sometimes skip church over it just good we don't like it and our feet wet the sure that they burn for was communion. The question was is the bread the body of Christ. Yes or no was the answer to the question. The answer to the question is No it's not the Body of Christ. But the belief was that the bread is the literal body of Christ that when the priest prays of it converts miraculously into the little. Flesh of Jesus and the wine turns to the LITTRELL blood of Jesus and if you deny that will kill you that was a life and death issue it was different variants of that the Lutherans came up with kind of a hybrid version and Calvin came up with another version SWINGLER he was the one who came up with what was called Memorial ism which is basically the Adventist view we hold today that it's simply a symbol of what Jesus did and nothing more it's interesting to know what was a life and death issue back then. And what's a life and death issue today you see the spiritual lineage that we come from is two thousand years since New Testament times. If you think about it Christianity went from being a Middle Eastern slash African religion then went to being a predominantly European religion. It then went to being worldwide Christianity went from being a persecuted religion when it was illegal it then went to being a popular religion it then went to being institutional and you could argue today in secular Western Europe and America and so on. That it's just and in different societies Christian. This been turning points in history the translation of the Bible John Wycliffe was a turning point the translation the Bible by William Tyndale was a turning point the protest of the princes in Martin Luther's day when they stood up for the liberty of conscience and for the separation of the civil power and the religious power that was another turning point the break away of the Protestant groups so to speak was another turning point of history where you went from having just one church. Just one Christian Church that was Catholic now people broke away and said no we're going to be Lutheran no we're going to be Presbyterian we're going to be Anglican we're going to be a Methodist and Christianity started to get fragmented. Lutheranism Calvinism Anglicanism Methodism and then the rise of America as a nation in general it's been a significant turning point in history and it had been since we understand a significant turning point in our history for our church was founded. In the United States of America and then from there spread all the way around the world we think of all these different churches the Church of England that was started by Henry the. Kind of. An interesting history of the Church of England the Methodist Church in the seventy's and eighty's the Lutheran Church in the fifteen hundreds with the Presbyterian Church who started that one John not on. Church of Scotland series which really comes from the Calvinist roots. Baptist Church Church of God. These were different movements that started. And still continued to this day and each one of them started when they rediscovered or they discovered something about the Bible that other people hadn't heard or seen for several hundred years these are some of the beliefs that were discovered in the Reformation that essentially if you summarize the Reformation it's a discovery of two things Number one they discovered who Jesus Christ was number two they discovered who the Anti Christ was and they discovered they were in the Anti Christ and they discovered who Jesus Christ was meaning they discovered writes this way faith is going to justification forgiveness repentance etc they discovered all these things about Jesus Christ that they saved by grace through faith that communion is symbolic not literal that God's word is inspired and should be freely accessible that God's word is understandable to all baptism by immersion in the priesthood of all believers the link between faith and works in Christian living these are just some of the beliefs that will rediscovered in the process of the Reformation because the word Reformation literally means to do what to re for then after this you have the Adventist Church founded in one thousand nine hundred sixty three. Officially. That's the official incorporation of the church was eight hundred sixty three though Adventism kind of predates that time it's hottest You know yes that was the information corporation but it was really just because they need to incorporate the Herald that they actually did it on that day and that year they were already meeting before that. With Out of interest beliefs even having conference sessions and what not before that. And the formation of our church was kind of in process. What is the uniqueness of Adventism what makes Adventists it's unique in our identity is that our belief in the second coming increasingly it is with all the secret rapture stuff going around. But I will give that as a whole mock uniqueness though it is an unnamed seventh day what Adventist it is very unique and even our understanding of how the second coming happens that the resurrection happens at the second coming that's unique for the most part. Is that our belief in the state of the dead is that unique to us. Not one hundred percent because the the the Jehovah's Witness hold a similar view that we hold on the state of the dead. Is a Sabbath unique to us yes or no. No it's not. In the strictest sense it's not but I will argue later on that it is. In the strictest sense it's not because you have Jews that keep the Sabbath you have seven day Baptist and other churches that do keep the Sabbath but I would argue that our understanding of the Sabbath is different to everyone else heavenly sanctuary is that unique to us logically. Largely tithing is that unique. Is not unique is it good you know quite sure. That type month health messages that unique I would I for the most part yeah I mean other people do live healthy lives but I would say I argue they live for different reasons the connection between the spirit body mind etc as we understand. The reasons for it. In some ways our unique spirit properties that unique No not really. I mean L. a Y. is unique but the belief in prophecy and the gift of prophecy is that unique No that's not unique but it makes us unique to even have to be unique and human we should not be ashamed of. Who is this guy William Miller or you know about William Miller. Good men. Keep the Sabbath. Will William Miller be in heaven. Figure that one out for yourself. Will twist your mind up a little bit William Miller you go to his house today we went there earlier last year late last year the birthplace of Adventism in America it's quite fascinating to go to his house and this is his room it's his bedroom and then in his bedroom you can see his Bible and his concordance and then you can have a look and see where he studied through his Bible systematically from Genesis all the way through until he got to down your chapter fourteen and couldn't quite understand what that verse meant he stayed there studied it and came to an understanding it wasn't a complete understanding it was possible but he still came to a deeper understanding then he started with. He discovered. What the Bible verses men around the year eighteen sixteen Why is that significant He studied it over and over for two yes. I'll get my dates right to eighteen eighteen settled on his view that Jesus was going to come in approximately twenty five years and then did nothing about it told his wife. Own kids. And that's what he did with it. Later on a few years later he did write a few articles in a local newspaper. Almost to ease his conscience. But he kept hearing this voice there said Go preach go preach the Sonoma Fama go preach Norma Fama go preaching on the Vama. And then you probably know the story eventually one day his nephew knocked on the door and said Uncle William can you come and preach please he stormed out the door and he went to this grove of trees where there's a sign that says he went in a farmer and came out a preacher because five minutes before the nephew not clean the door he said to God if I get an invitation to preach operate ch then we knew that was safe because for the last fifteen years he had never been invited to preach so a kind of a safe place to put out to God go to what you say Well Lord you know if you want me to go as a missionary then have the mayor of Manchester come and tell me that you've given God an impossible fleece almost But you know it's never going to happen. Is not quite the same but he never had been preaching a point for the last fifteen years he thought it was safe he kept his vow and he started preaching he started preaching the soon return of Jesus and there were many of the people that started to preach a soon return of Jesus as a chapel on his property and so by the year eighteen forty three and eighteen forty four there were some historians estimate two hundred and fifty thousand Adventists waiting for Jesus return in the north eastern part of America alone. William Miller himself is a credited with converting forty thousand Baptist forty five thousand Methodists. Eighty five thousand. Now there's an Adventist evangelist today and they baptized more than one thousand they consider pretty good if they get to the ten thousand mark they are like once in a generation evangelist William Miller eighty five thousand just in the Baptist church and the Methodist church because there was a lot of it is church and the revival was multi-denominational. They waited for Jesus to return and Jesus did not return then what happens how do what happens in the history of Adventism. Well there was a great disappointment can you imagine what it was like a way in which Jesus the richer and Jesus doesn't come Adventism was born out of disappointment and why was it born out of disappointment it's almost like God wanted to kind of what would the would be. Filter shake the church is two hundred fifty thousand people way but Jesus returned but how many are really that serious. OK there's a disappointment now what happens well what happened over the next six months is something that. Is quite interesting the movement filtered down to the course of Bunch of a bunch of theological split within the church Firstly there was this distinction between mainline Protestant mainline princes and bridegroom Adventist mainline Adventists where people like Joshua the Heinz and William Miller those are the two compadres bridegroom Adventists were Ellen White and Joseph Bates the historians say it's roughly seventy five percent and twenty five percent when you ask what's a mainline Adventist this is the mainline Adventists they abandon the belief the October twenty second one hundred forty four was a prophetic day and they look for new dates William Miller was in that camp initially he was bridegroom then Joshua pulled him back in and. Set a new date. So they went for the much of eight hundred forty five in the October eight hundred forty five. It fizzled over time they became the advent Christian church of which there are twenty five thousand members today and the split of the average Christian Church is the Jehovah's Witness If you go to New England today we went to the time that Rachel Preston is from and there in her town there's a really nice out of a Christian church is that a few of them there around like many only twenty five thousand but they're around. What's a bridegroom Adventist where they maintain their top October the twenty second was a prophetic day they couldn't understand why Jesus hadn't come but they said that is so fixed it show twenty five percent. Then what happens if you summarize it mainline Adventist said we got the wrong date but the right event right groom Adventists another no we got the right date but the wrong event. Now this is happening within the church when I say church I'm talking the great walls of the church and there's a shaking going on this is like in the five months after October twenty second then what happens there was another split. You had the spiritual eyes this which were ninety percent up to twenty five percent and then you had the literalist and you can probably work out based on that description what those people believed. Spiritualize this abandoned by the end of eighteen forty five these are the people. And this is all happening around forty five Joseph Bates and the whites were literalist What do they believe literalist Well the spiritualized believe that Jesus had come in eight hundred forty four but it was a spiritual return that of a woolly airy fairy belief it's very easy to hold on to such a belief for too long and so that fizzled by about six months later. The literate still believe that a literal interpretation of the events they preach about there was to be another split. You know splitting splitting is part of our heritage and no one said Amen you have the warm day view. And you had extended view the one day of you believe that October twenty second was a literal day they believe in a literal interpretation of the day but the one day view said that on October twenty second Jesus began the judgment and he finished it within twenty four hours one day the extended if you said no. Jesus started the investigative judgment on October the twenty second and that extended through time I will extend through time until just prior to his return which is what we believe that I am and. So. On October twenty second eighteen forty four the Adventist who were gathered on ascension walk in other parts of New England they had a partial understanding of the prophecy in the next one to two yeahs the believe us would study the Bible together and through a series of kind of study and splits God would refine and shake down his people because all of those two hundred thousand they had to be some kind of refining process it's interesting to know. That all of our pioneers come from that strand there all of them who later became Seventh Day Adventists I think it's interesting the humble origins that we have you know. The Bible says the eyes the Lord are into and through of that the whole show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is one perfect towards Him God never looked for the biggest or the best. You've got this small group of believers in northern New England they don't have ordained pastors they don't have. Ministers with doctorates or Ph D.'s or whatever you've got farmers you've got you've got sea captains studying their Bibles and coming to conclusions and just sharing it with other people. What is the uniqueness of Adventism. Is it the century posh really let me show you a little background on the Sabbath there's a guy called. The track No it's what the name of the tract is traction the seventh they should be observed as the Sabbath instead of the First Commandment going into the commandment by. His tract was sent to a man called Joseph Bates Joseph based on ha that's true I will keep the Sabbath his truck also went to Jane and to the Andrews was fifteen years old at the time. It's a fascinating story we cover that one of our lineage episodes the truck went to the home of stole the stall home stole picked up the tract and said. Put it down his fifteen year old daughter Marion picked up the tract read it and said I will keep the Sabbath to me that's fascinating the parent rejected it and the teenager accepted it she then shared it would have seventeen year old brother and he said I will keep the Sabbath to they then said Judge John Andrews John Nevin Andrews he lives just up the road let's share it with him he's very intelligent they shared it with Jay and Andrew's he was fifteen years old fourteen seventeen fifteen he read the tract and said Yeah that's right it will keep the Sabbath It's a fascinating account of where the youth were leading later on the parents then sort of a Wilkie and all the parents joined or kept the Sabbath two and a powerful and that's where the reviewer and I would magazine started in Paris Hilmi. Review and her magazine probably wouldn't have started in Paris all main If that fourteen year old daughter didn't read that track and be convicted that that was a Sabbath you can go to this church here in Washington New Hampshire is the birthplace of the some of the Adventist Church. Joseph Bates he got the tract and he heard of some Sabbath keepers course I responded with and Frederick wheeler and he went to their house and together they study the Bible and then they form a Sabbath back to where they all said you keep the Sabbath yet you keep it here I keep. It. And they formed a pact and it was after studying the Sabbath with those two men you heard the story when Joseph Bates went home and was walking over the bridge that was the next day and someone said What's the news Captain Bates. And he said The news is seven days some of the most I got. Was after he studied the Bible these guys Ellen White. Wrote about the Sabbath on Joseph Bates don't miss that. Ellen White read about the Sabbath from who so why didn't God given away a vision she was getting visions at this point a White was receiving visions from eight hundred forty four so now we're now talking about eight hundred forty eight Why didn't God just be like. Ellen is a vision. Why did L O Y I have to study Joe's of Bates tract to keep the Sabbath I for profit profits had like a little extra privilege and they don't prophets have like extra knowledge from God. So why did Ellen why you have to study a tract that Joseph a DRO and printed to keep the Sabbath she didn't accept the Sabbath and so she read that tract and God didn't tell her about the Sabbath until she read that tract why it's a key point it's a key point in our heritage as Adventists the answer to this question very key point because you as a sense of the Adventists will get accused by some of your friends at work and friends you have who go to other churches that don't worship on the Sabbath day they want to cues you openly. And say you just believe what the prophet tells you. You heard that so why is it and this is a key point Don't miss it why is it the end when why. The Sabbath because she read a tract and studied the Bible by Joseph Bates Why didn't God give her a vision question Did Ellen White get a vision on the Sabbath Yes she did she got the Sabbath Halo vision when she saw the Ten Commandments and a halo around them before. But the key point is she got that vision after she had studied it in the Bible and already made a decision to keep it this was the house you can drive by it today it's owned by. Somebody it was under a tree in the front garden with jewels of Bates studied. Now Joseph Bates wrote this track called the seventh day sabbath the perpetual sign. And. He was the first person. You asked what is the uniqueness of adamant ism Joseph Bates was the first person. Who. Was the first person who connected the two doctrines of the Sabbath and the century us was so unique as about images we don't time to go to these texts one of them talks about all the temple of God opened in heaven the temple of God is open the Ark of the covenant the Ten Commandments of the Joseph saw the sanctuary he saw the holy place the most holy place he saw inside the most holy place the Ark of the covenant he saw inside the ark going to come in the commandments you saw a sign becomes of all commandment. Joseph Bates was the first person who connected the Sabbath with the same tree what do I mean by this Joseph Bates was the first person who understood the sap birth and its importance in the context of the sanctuary or let me rephrase that another way he understood the Sabbath in the context of its end time significance it's. What makes your belief on the Sabbath different from a seventh day Baptist the seventh day Baptists just sees it as a day of rest and it's part of the commandments we also believe as part of the commandments but we also believe it's part of an end time test God will give its people we see the origin of the Sabbath in creation but we see the importance of the Sabbath magnify. In the end times the uniqueness of Adventism I would argue to you it's not the Sabbath and it's not the century but it's the Sabbath understood in the context of the sanctuary meaning the Sabbath in it significant So it is prophetic sig so that's the uniqueness of adamant tism moving ahead points what's the uniqueness. Correct theology drives our mission. It was around eight hundred forty eight that you had the gathering time when all the Sabbath conferences took place across the New England states and God was gathering his believe I mentioned on such a night back together again and the doctrine that gathered them together again was the Sabbath. William Miller farm is called the birthplace of Adventism it's Edson Hiram Epson's bomb as I mentioned in the Q. and A. Reformation distinguished churches Adventism Joseph sorry William Miller is far and higher ed since Bon. There's your heritage a farm an A bomb and it was in higher ed students bond with the Sabbath keepers of Western New eastern New York came in conflict with the sanctuary believers of western New York and the Sabbath in the sanctuary come together what's our uniqueness these two doctrines the Sabbath rest on the test and Christ priest in the Heavenly I think three the last thing I want to share with you before we finish. Is understanding that question I just mentioned earlier why is it that a white study Joseph Bates tracked to understand what the Sabbath is and why didn't God just give her a vision surely she should add the IP treatment from the throne of God Let me share with you about the Sabbath. Maybe you know this maybe you don't. In one thousand and forty eight the Adventists were wondering the question when should we keep the Sabbath when does it start so they weren't quite sure when it started they weren't sure the debate was do we start at six pm and go to six pm or do we start six am six AM That was the debate. Amongst the Adventists believers in about eighteen forty and eighty forty nine get this Golden Gate L M Y A vision. To answer the question to help answer and God said to the White from even to even Shall you celebrate as obvious so she shared that with the believers and they said. Well there's the answer. Six pm You know it's possible that God can give us an answer and we mis understand his answer. Is a possible. And so that means six pm So from eight hundred forty seven to eight hundred fifty five the Adventist believers kept the Sabbath from six pm to six pm. During this time period of time to go through all the different facts of the history that there was different letters written by certain people and etc etc and so forth but John Andrews and James white one happy and James one in particular wasn't quite happy said this issue can I can see it becoming a bigger issue again we've really got to got to got to get this down as the James White wrote to someone and say can you study this that he never heard back room so then he was in Maine and J. and J. Andrews at this point in eight hundred fifty five let's work it out in eighteen forty forty six he's fifteen. So how old is he now is about twenty four. So James why asks. Jay Andrews who's twenty four or twenty five let's give him the benefit the Dow to study how this deep theological question and present a paper to the general conference session and you imagine the general conversation asking a twenty five year old to write a paper that the world church makes a decision on it back then when it was only the word church back then but anyway interesting fact so he presents a paper he writes he wasn't even there to present it he just sent it and someone else read it. That's how good it was. So he made six points he said The day begins that night according to the Bible he says that they cannot begin a sunrise he said the evening meant sunrise dividing the day ours was a heathen custom He said twelve hours of daylight changes throughout the year and he was arguing for the point that we have to keep the Sabbath from sunset the sunset and these were his arguments and his sick game in which I think is kind of the icing on top of the cake that there was no what she is or timepieces before sixteen fifty eight so how could we have kept the Sabbath up until sixteen fifty eight we would never have known what six pm is. Therefore His conclusion was the Sabbath begins at sunset now get this and this may kind of get inside some of your heads. They took a vote. And everyone voted to keep the Sabbath from sunset the sunset except two people Joseph Bates and Alawite it passed by a majority. Of those US. People who said if I get in your head maybe I did maybe got in my head when I read it for the first time. In this. Well this is the reason why Joseph has voted no and this is the reason why and why voted no they both believe that when God told them nine years ago from even to eventually celebrate sadness and they concluded that meant six pm They believe that was about speaking to them six pm. Six pm God already told us in eight hundred forty seven but everyone else said no. This paper was pretty clear three days after this God gave another vision we call it a correcting vision where he told her that the vote that was taken at the General Conference was the correct vote. And the president all right the question is why did God Wait why did God not correct the believe is an eight hundred forty seven Why did God Wait till eight hundred fifty fine do you get the point. Because all the Adventists were keeping the Sabbath as we would understand today wrong for eight yes why why didn't God correct them in eight hundred forty seven and this point use fine repeated over and over again in the formation of our church and I'm using the Sabbath tonight as an example to show you how doctrine was formed maybe one might well use the Holy Spirit that was interesting to hear is the point when we keep the Sabbath is far too important an issue to be settled by a vision I mean. This issue must be done by Bible study why is it that God didn't give Ellen White a vision and say keep the Sabbath. Instead she had to read attract and keep the Sabbath herself why because off funny mental beliefs must be verified by the Bible and discovered through the Bible and when you look at the history of Adventism it's a history of Bible study. The prophetic gift would enrich or confirm them but never for. A fundamental belief yes we've got some gems from a why Amen health message and other things in light sinning on this. Practice or lifestyle or teaching but the foundational beliefs always came through bible study is the point God is more concerned that we believe the right thing for the right reason though we may be wrong for a time this is good parenting. Rather than we believe the right thing for the wrong reason. He was content to let the advent believers be wrong for nine years. Because he wanted them to come to the conclusion by the right process you know when you were taken math in school. All those many years ago or right now if you were in school. Let's just say you've got a complicated. But you call it. Multiplication and let's say you get the answer right because you looked across and you saw your friend with the answer and you answered it and you just copied it. But in order to get You'll know when your math exam or class in your test the teacher will not mark you correct just on your final answer they want you to have the process of how you go there as well the process is more important than the answer. You can get the answer but if the process is not correct you get mocked wrong. Goal. In how we came about was Adventist was very concerned that we would get the process right. Because if the process is right the conclusion one naturally come we came to an understanding of our doctrines through bible study amen the Sabbath is one example he example. But there are many many other ones never doubt for one second that is a Seventh Day Adventist Christian faith is not a Bible based faith. Then maybe people in church I'm talking to some of those who are younger. There may be some in church who are older than you that cold themself learned but all the time they quote from I Why. I'm not saying we shouldn't quote from a white because I believe we have a great gift that we should use as much as possible but when you are defending your fundamental beliefs know what the Bible says. Be able to give a Bible study on the Sabbath all the century all the state of the Dead Know what you believe from God's word because when our pioneer has put together the found brick of our church they did it through bible study don't doubt for one second that we have an identity now we. Don't doubt that we do not have an identity. In the Bible we do it rooted and grounded in Scripture. When even the prophet. And the follow study of God's word to come to the understanding of the teachings that you and I hold as sacred today. May God bless us and guide us in our just. As we continue heritage these men and women that before us. 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