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True Education and the Agrarian Life

Pamela Dysinger

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Pamela Dysinger

Bountiful Blessings Farm

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  • November 30, 2017
    10:45 AM
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Let's just begin with a word of prayer Father in heaven I want to thank you so much for the opportunity that we have to look at some practical applications of education and I pray that you would. Just be here that you would and not my words and give me the words to say in Jesus' name amen I'm I'm actually very glad to see that this is a small group you know why because we're here for an agriculture conference and education is just simply a natural byproduct of of Agriculture. But I'm glad to see that people are are focusing on agriculture but I'm here to focus on the agrarian life and what. I would say what I have seen 1st hand the applications and I wished that I could have seen it all in reverse you know if we could have just seen to go back. I'm a teacher by training and so I came at the Home School model very much as I I was taught to teach and God had other things he wanted to teach me because he made my time and ability so limited to teach in the way that I would have naturally done it that he forced on me true education if you can say that it was sort of forced on me and I resisted it for many years and kept feeling like I was robbing and depriving my kids but time and time tells the real truth and the real truth is that an agrarian life gives the best and the most balanced and the most whole education. That I believe 1 can have I have a story I want to share with you from this marvelous book called councils on agriculture. I wish that this story had been available to me years ago but I think it has particular in interest to you because it happened on this very soil in Australia. It's about a brother Colston and I might be pronouncing his name wrong I meant to ask somebody 1st how would you pronounce this but that's all I'm pronouncing it so this is when Mrs White was actually here and her son Willie William was with her so let me read this to Debbie you see why I saw Brother Colston a new convert in Australia. He saw his necessities and borrowed 8 pounds from our blacksmith and loaned it to him that he might make a beginning so just get that picture Willie White goes to the blacksmith to borrow 8 pounds to give to Brother Colston so he can have a new beginning and all are glad and more than astonished to see the beginning he has made about 12 acres have been cleared and planted with sweet potatoes and field corn the sweet corn they will eat and the field corn they will sell the vegetables that have been grown help a great deal and supporting the family the little lads are working with their father like little farmers they are so earnest and full of zeal that it is amusing to look at them and see how happy they are in their work. They have not so much society because of their own families because of their own family connections but they are in the very best school they could be in a magine that I love that these little lads with their dads they're so full of Xul that it's amusing to look at them I can picture that it goes on to say we feel thankful to God for what we see and we shall encourage those who come into the truth to take up land which they are can cultivate and so sustain themselves wow if I could have been encouraged with those words 20 years ago I wouldn't have tried it so I wouldn't have resisted so much the agricultural life sorry. But you have to start where you're at and isn't that wonderful that God takes us from right from where we are so true education and the agrarian life why the garden God knew what was best all along the garden places you and your children where you are surrounded by God's creation that is just the the simplistic perspective why the garden I have to work to these things I guess here education means more than the mere study of books it is necessary that both the physical and mental powers be exercised in order to have a proper education. A quote here I forgot to delete that part. You think they would make it intuitive to delete that when you put a quote in. Anyway that's from signs of the times education means more than the mere study of books. We've seen that. Here's another 1 when in council with the Father before the world was it was designed that the Lord God should plant a garden for Adam and Eve in Eden and give them the task of caring for the fruit for the fruit trees and cultivating and training the vege vegetation useful lay for Labor was to be their safeguard and it was to be perpetuated through all generations to the close of Earth's history isn't that interesting when I was when in council with the Father before the world began so the garden has been something that God knew we needed from before time began and there we see to the end of Earth's history so that's a little bit of why why the garden why but I think why the garden is because that's the place that we can commune the most intimately with the Lord and I can say that whenever I lose my my inner peace my spiritual equilibrium the place that I go is to the garden or if I don't have the garden I go to the beach. Your beach is amazing here we live very far from the beach cell that was that's a very special spot all right. So I just want to talk about some of the practical the practical wise. In the garden you naturally learn the balance between faith and works you don't even have to try if you don't do if you don't plant the seed you're not going to reap the harvest if you don't cultivate you're going to have weeds you just naturally see this co-operative work and when you see it in nature then you can apply it to your spiritual life God can do nothing to save us apart from our effort but we can do nothing to save ourselves apart from his powers so it's this beautiful cooperative work that we see in the garden that then we can apply to the spiritual life the results of neglect or forgetting are quickly seen. So I could tell you a lot of stories about this 1 I'll share 1 of our boys and I think it was Joshua who is he's our farmer This is him in the picture. He decided he was going to grow tomatoes starts and we start them in a very small soil block and we use kind it's kind of like a little incubator you put a lid on it and you water them a couple of times a day and they kind of steam and it just gives them enough heat and moisture to get them started early this is before summer so he was starting them in the late winter early spring you know they have to be watered twice a day and they're such tiny little plants that if you forget there's not much recovery which is just what happened you forget. They were forgotten for a whole day and John noticed to them the poor little plants are all just laying flat out you know you can come in and you can try to revive them and the most resilient plants will truly revive but most will not but again what a spiritual lesson people to some are more resilient Some can handle more neglect or more hardship. And others can't so the the line or the connection between While that's a huge fly between cause and effect live very close in the garden huge. So we just have to we we can learn we've had many experiences ourselves where we neglected in the early years and where we rate wrapped the we reap the consequences of our neglect Another time our boys decided that they were going to grow corn and just as it was ready to harvest. The record found it I know you don't have records but you have possums there records found it and they took it out while the boys were protecting it they actually took the dogs and they were going to you know do the March around the field and keep their crops safe while they fell asleep in the dogs fall asleep and the records were very quiet and they made off with most of the crowd. So another practical why I don't nest isn't an option. When you are in an agrarian life there is always it if it's not seeding it's weeding it's not weeding it's harvesting it's not harvesting it's marketing it is not marketing it's putting it up because you can solve it market so there's just this never ending perpetual need of working which can get old but we've also learned that it's OK to throw things on the compost. Because sometimes we need to slow down wherever it is possible I guess I need to move you to hoops and move myself. All right this is Caleb when he was little See we start I'm young that's a that's a little gator we call him and it has a little dump bucket on the back and he's carrying strawberries from the field to the barn now do you imagine that that was very helpful to us no but it's. He was hoping we taught him young you know you need to learn to work so you learn from a young age that life is about learning to enjoy work and for boys that means that they have to have some. Mechanized contraption to help. I know because all of my boys are in the similar so if it takes a little something to drive the strawberries from the field that's all great so another why is that it just it keeps the family together the agrarian life is a huge blessing to the family wherever it is possible parents should have a piece of land connected with the home that the children may learn to cultivate the soil how. Many beautiful and valuable lessons may be drawn from preparing the ground sowing the seed and tending the growing plants so it's not about farming for a living but it's about the fact that everyone who's a parent should have a garden where they can connect their children with the creator life skills boy this is a big 1 the life skills and I just have a short list the life skills that can be learned from an agrarian life are on that number of bull and I'm sure I haven't even realized all the things I mean it's a very common thing for me to say to our our young men how did you learn to do that I mean how did you ever think to do that or how did you ever think you could do that so 1 of the 1st things is common sense you want to learn good common sense get behind a hoe it's a wonderful place to learn commonsense and I've seen it young people who grow up in the garden have a real common sense not to say that others don't I think common sense kind of tends to go naturally with some temperaments whether they grow up in a garden or not but common sense can be learned in the garden I would say that common sense can be learned in the garden logical concrete thinking you know so many times there is a need for OK how are we going to solve this how are we going to figure this out how are we going to conquer this how are we going to accomplish this. To think that farmers don't have to use a lot of mental abilities or mental have a lot of mental faculties is a very big mis understanding logical concrete thinking are learned in the garden reasoning cause to effect already kind of mentioned that you know if you don't do a you're not going to get be our 1st star break crop when we did not we did we that was a very hard cause to effect a lesson that we learned and I could tell you of many others as well we've we've not you know. Cause and effect lie pretty close in the garden but it's amazing how resilient plants are as well here's some more skills this is our oldest from the time he was big enough to use a screwdriver or. Pliers or anything tool related he was. He was doing it and he was creating So this is 1 of the early things I think he was 8 and I was in the house doing dishes and he went flying by on with the lawnmower and you can't tell from the picture but what he had done is he had a truck that he had taken down simply to the chassis the 4 wheels and the flat top so no he had taken off the front he had taken off the bucket and he had created for him what we call in the States a sulky which is what you stand on when you're riding behind a mower and most of the time a sulky is attached to the mower so that they kind of flow together but Jonathan had created this was a self propelled mower so if you hold the handle down it would mole but he was hardly tall enough to hold the handle down. And so he had created this sulky which he was riding on and I tell you moaning became a whole lot more fun for him we had a large yard this is before we started no this is not before we started farming we were farming already but but he has he did all our lawn care from the time he was well from the time he could stand where the 1st bar is we kind of jerry rigged the mower so that he could push from the lower bar so efficiency this is a definition skillfulness in avoiding wasted time and effort this is where Jonathan our son has excelled and God has taken those gifts and blessed his business. More skills ingenuity the power of creative imagination while I think that picture really fits both of those creative imagination OK so you have to mow the lawn you have to do this work how can I make it fun he was always about fun too how can I make it creative he wasn't thinking about creative it's just a natural byproduct. More skills working together recognizing that everyone has something to contribute Of course you can learn these skills elsewhere it's not like the garden is the only place and an agrarian life is the only way but. That's what we're here talking about so we're looking at the benefits of that type of the skills that you can learn so what about academics. This was a hard 1 for me because I just had the the mindset that we needed to do all the academics that we would typically be doing in the school setting and it was impossible for me as I said in the beginning I really. Was forced into true education by the Lord I didn't study yet I had read the book education but it was like 10 years prior when I was studying education. And so I was I was seeking to follow the councils and I was reading but there's still a disconnect between reading and applying I was reading it but the practical application was really hard for me and the Lord put in my life. Fortunately some very dear friends who are. We're also educators but in some ways kind of envied the education that our kids were getting from the farm and a couple of them in particular would often encourage me often remind me that the education that my children were getting from useful manual labor would be to them a great blessing in the future and so I kind of hung on to their faith and at times thought Yeah but your kids are. Are doing better in school than my kids and you have more time and you know but there was just this this come Rothery between us it was actually someone that I had been teaching with years before and so we were able to encourage 1 another. But there's a lot I want to tell you there's a lot of academics that happen without effort in the garden and it's been interesting to us as we have had apprentices come through and all of our apprentices are 18 or above it's been interesting to us to see that you give them a simple mathematical something that they need to figure out pertaining to gardening OK we're going to put 44 rows in this bed and they're going to be and this bed is 30 feet long and the plant spacing is 6 inches a plant how many plants do we need run to the greenhouse and get them and it's been amazing to us to see how many with higher education in math are stumped at the simple How do you apply it right here OK we need this simple thing done. At a young age our kids could apply the math that they were learning. They might never have done algebra 2 or trigonometry or calculus but when you have mastered the basics then you can take those basics on to whatever whatever my son is programming a milling machine I have no idea even how much math you have to understand in order to program a machine to make small parts blows my mind how did you know how to do that how did you learn. When the foundation is solid God can build any kind of house on it that he wants that's an amazing thought so let it take some of the pressure off so math math can be learned in a very practical way in the garden now it's so easy for parents to do the math but I want to encourage you put it to your kids yes it takes longer but you know I'll start small we have a 12 foot bed we're going to plant these and sorry I'm just using feet and inches because that's what I know but you know what I mean so you know we have this 12 foot bed we're going to plant them you know a foot apart how many plants are we going to need you know and can you go and get them and bring them. Science again even apart from a parent's effort your children will learn so much about nature. The trees I did not teach my child I mean I wished I could say I taught them all the things I wished I had had a a unit study on trees and we had learned all the trees that's the kind of teaching I wanted to do and that's a good kind of teaching Don't get me wrong OK but it was just never in my abilities so you know. But guess what we did we did a lot of cutting wood because that's how we heat our home and the boys loved it they would help us well guess what they learned all the different kinds of trees just from cutting wood or from seeing them fruit or from looking at the bark or from whatever observation is an amazing. Teacher And you know John would share or others would share or if I was there I would share so it wasn't like they didn't have him put like they were just thrown out to to learn it themselves but it's the natural learning about the cycles of cicadas I don't know if you have them I don't know what you call them here but Caleb found. Since we've been here a high tree where there were lots of skins you know he had them all over his face like a mom. But you know then you can talk about the life cycle you know the Internet provides a wonderful tool a resource for parents yet we go to the Internet let's learn about them you know it doesn't have to take a lot of time and it's not like I planned a lesson on the study of that certain thing we seize the moment we just had a an amazing solar eclipse in the U.S. this summer you would never studied eclipses but as a family we went online we saw some Me You Tube videos on solar eclipses and we educated ourself and we really enjoyed the solar eclipse so there's a lot of science that just is the natural byproduct of an agrarian life. Bible is an obvious 1 and you know I don't feel like I had to hammer it into my kids I think that when you're surrounded by nature you just sort of start to. Well and I just read a quote in the in the previous seminar I did and she uses the words imperceptibly when you're in nature you are imperceptibly changed into Christ's image it doesn't happen quickly it happens very imperceptibly that's a slow process it's not like we wake up and say oh wow i'm perfect I've arrived you know I don't believe that that's how we will ever feel but imperceptibly. When we study nature and the Bible we are imperceptibly changed and so the lessons that you can learn about the Bible the let the spiritual lessons that you can learn from the garden are everywhere I'll share 1 with you that I've learned as a parent and I wanted to have a picture of this but I had some some challenges with my pictures I am often the 1 who does the trellis thing of tomatoes now the way that we do we do it because we grow them in a greenhouse or in a hoop house a covered space we trust them to a wire above so in the ideal world we start from when they're small and we start clipping them and they never we never let them get out of control. You just let them and it's very simple super simple when you do it right well we're often too busy to do it right and inevitably I end up in the tomato house with the tomatoes that are sprawling now I have to go in and sucker them cut out all the excess foliage and when I'm left with just 2 leaders they're called then I have to clip those leaders Well let me tell you there's a lot of damage that is done when you don't do the job in a timely fashion and some times I've had those. The stem of the tomato so stiff and you're trying to bend it to go up a wire and so you're trying to figure out OK how can I like bring this around and clip it in a way that it's not going to cause a lot of pressure and then I maybe clip it up this way and sometimes I've broken the top off if you break the top off that's a bad thing you know but I've I've been known to carry Band-Aids in my apron and kind of wrap it around and try to to heal it you know to keep it together long enough for it to to reconnect the parenting lessons that we can learn from trellis and tomatoes don't wait but if you've waited and it's later. You still can keep guiding But the way you guide is has to be more gentle when the plant is already bent on this direction you can know we're going to come back this way but you know you got a really tenderly carefully patiently work with that plant to bring it back and clip it and you know it's amazing sometimes I'll be out of the house for a week and when I come back I'll see the tops of those tomatoes just straight up thank you you know a daily observation a lesson in what God wants to do in our hearts what he wants us to wants to do in the hearts of our children so when my guys are doing the tomato Charla sing they might not be as intentional at thinking those lessons but I really believe that imperceptibly the lessons are just internalized and the foundation is laid firm practical skills again this is 1 that could be very lengthy and I I haven't begun to really get into all of the practical skills but here are a few that if you're in an agrarian life this doesn't mean that you're farming but it means you're living on the land you are you know you have you well I'll say this 1 thing that we haven't kind of mentioned is that this type of life necessitates learning to live on less you cannot have the same standard of living and there are people out there who are. Promoting something different and they have high standards of living and they're doing very well being very successful farming for a living but for the most part I think it's safe to say that it's important to be willing to have your standard of living reduced significantly especially to get it going. Whether that's a move to the country or that's a change of occupation so here are some things that I think you kind of have to you have to do or learn to do in order to save money so building. We have built 2 homes. The 1st 1 we built before we were farming and. A different story but at some at 1 point we we changed locations on the farm and we built in the barn so we have an upstairs house in the barn Well our boys were Jonathan as are all of us he was 11 when that happened and Joshua was. So he would have been 9. Those boys had a part to play in every part of the building process every part were things done as well as they would have if we could have hired someone to do them of course not but it was a barn and nothing was straight or square so it was a great place to learn and I can remember I inspired the boys that they could we were going to have a sink that I just wanted we had some tiles some old tile and I said OK I really think that you can do this OK It can't be that hard you know so you just. Build a wooden box that will cut a hole into drop the sink in and then just you're going to put this tile on this sink and we're going to mount it to the wall it was all my ideas and I believed they could do it and they didn't think they could but I just kept saying I know you can do it I mean how hard is it mud tile OK just put it on put it on we'll put the sink on it'll all be good we had 2 wooden posts in the front that hold Well I mean we've been in the house I guess 11 years and that sink is still standing has not fallen down. It reminds me of the skills that we enabled our boys to learn by allowing them to be part of the building process plumbing and electric not just in the house but on the farm there's a lot of plumbing and irrigation that goes into a garden or a farm. Mechanics if you don't have a mechanical mind you and you don't have kids then you just pray that God will give you 1 with a mechanical mind and that's what he did to us my husband is a man of many talents but because I believe because he grew up with. His nose in a book and in the academic world where he excelled he was the cookie cutter kid who fit in perfectly in that environment he didn't do a lot of the practical things so when we when we launched and we started farming he had never built he had never done any construction he hadn't done much plumbing he had done a little electric but he hadn't done much real mechanics except changing the oil maybe. But he has become very skilled at so many things now he still very much dislikes mechanics but we have 2 sons who are very good and very mechanical and they have been a tremendous blessing to us here some more skills. Use use of hand tools. Whether it's constructing building whether it's farm tools whether it's whatever there is there's a learning to manage tools we told our boys they could run the chainsaw at a younger age than most people would feel it was safe or wise we said this you have to read the manual and you have to understand all the safety precautions and of course they never use them alone John would always go with them but they did it at different ages our oldest was all about tools and so he was 12. And hated reading when he read the manual and got the the freedom to use a chainsaw and he and John did all of our wood cutting for so many years our next boy he didn't feel the need and he's not as much about tools so you know he might never have met read read the manual he might have just become old enough to be wise enough to handle the tools and have watched his dad and brother so use of hand tools equipment maintenance and repair there is no end to maintenance and repair of equipment on a farm whether it's lawn mowers or tractors or weed eaters or whatever. Another skill and I put this as a skill because I think it really is not afraid to tackle new things so even if even if a young person hasn't learned how to do something if they grow up really kind of connected to nature and connected to an agrarian type of life they're on daunted by new things whether they've tried it or not they're welling willing and ready to tackle it so we're winding up and we will have a few minutes for questions the most important why is because our faith is stretched and strengthened by working with God in the garden I don't know if you have monarch butterflies do you have them here you know in the US there they're becoming very scarce. It used to be that this time of year which is fall for well. I guess we're past fall now but in the fall we would often find these on our farm. Just as they had spun their cocoon and many many many times we would bring them in and. As you see we would tape it to 22 jars Mason jars and suspend it and watch that amazing miracle of transformation I can't think of many more object lessons in nature that show a more remarkable transformation than the the butterfly and so we would you know we would see them in the garden as you know just the worm so to speak and then they spin that could but then we we got to the point where we were so familiar with the cycle that we knew when it would emerge and that's an amazing thing to watch and observe so again it just takes us back to the things you learn that's amazing spiritual lessons and amazing science class firsthand I love this quote This is from the chapter on the life of Christ as a child which is 1 of my favorites when it comes to parenting this is where the our parenting motto also came from this is child guidance but I believe that the original source is desire of ages he his Jesus education was gained from heaven appointed sources Isn't that amazing heaven appointed sources from useful work from the study of the Scriptures from nature and from the experiences of life. God's lesson books full of instruction to all who bring to them the willing hand the seeing eye and the understanding heart so I think that kind of summarizes it do you see anywhere where it says OK the appointed education means you need to sit behind this desk for 4 hours today so that I can mark off that we've done that now Heaven's appointed sources of education are useful work useful not just busy work useful work the study of the Scriptures and the study of nature and the experiences of life if you give your children a full life the experiences of life are going to teach them numbered lessons then you have this foundation you know if God wants to build a different kind of house on that foundation you have the foundation for whatever house he wants to build if that's a house service in tool design like 1 of mine great or in you know videography great he can give you whatever skills and I love when when the children of Israel were in the wilderness and they were going to build the sanctuary the Bible is very clear that God gave Basil. The talents needed to craft the sanctuary in the wilderness. He didn't come into the wilderness there's nothing that gives us the idea that he came into the wilderness with the tools needed to construct the Ark I mean not the ark the century but God gave him the tools and so I really believe that if you if we follow this and you apply it in the context of the garden that you have a very well rounded education for your children we have time for just a few questions if anybody has otherwise I know people wouldn't mind having a little extra break. This is a lot and he questions comments OK good question so she's just citing Solomon who says there's a time for everything a time for you know everything has a season she's asking how how many hours did you really devote to book work you know some much depends on the age of the child. And even some of the aptitude of the child you know some children catch on to things very quickly academically and some catch on very slowly academically and so I really think it's important to be in tune with where your child is at. At an early age. C.N.N. depends on what you think of as book work. Because I think doing the dishes after breakfast is school you know it's not school it's life we live a life of education we live a life of learning. But I I always was faithful with the 3 R.'s reading writing and arithmetic and if you were faithful with those 3 R.'s during the elementary years all of the rest will come like we would read together science books we would read together social studies books but I never just like put those in the hands of my kids and said Here read it it was more something that we would do together and meal time I mean we talked about meal time this morning mealtime is an educational time my husband loves words so if some different word comes up or if he uses a word that nobody understands it's not unlike him to pull out his phone and look it up in the dictionary and OK here's what this word means or we talk about some place in the world so it's just about the fact how do you how do you pull together you know how much time learning is happening learning should be happening from the time your child wakes up until they go to bed sitting down and being in the books is going to vary but I would say 2 hours should be sufficient for most young children and and it might be much less than that or it could be more it just you know some kids love the books I mean it was a struggle for me with every 1 of my children what my my 2nd born when I told them we were going to start school and he was almost 8 or 7 I mean he just cried and said this is going to ruin my lawyer. You know it it's. It's. And it's not that there wasn't learning going on but at that point I was saying here's some books that we're going to go through and. Yeah so I don't know if that answers but but I think for the elementary years between $2.00 and $4.00 hours Max music might be part of that meal preparation might be part of that you know whereas gardening fit in gardening needs to be a part of that but we didn't like assign it as school it was just life and there was book work we had to do the book work that was the what we had to do anybody else any other launching questions mine are launching So we have chosen I wouldn't say we've chosen we have we have seen the wisdom for ourselves in owning our own business and have encouraged that bent with our children we never told any of them that they couldn't go to university but we were also not pushing it and from a young age we encourage entrepreneurship I'm going to be speaking a little bit later on entrepreneurship have a real passion for that. So all of our children have chosen a road less traveled but. Interesting that the skill set that they have I think is so much more than what I had and I went through all the system through my B.S. degree my husband through his masters degree but I see them as so much more well rounded and so much more capable and very sought after for. Their skills their skill set whether you have the paper or not is not so important as the foundational skill set that you have yes yes so the question is are there comment is just that in Australia here there is a requirement to register your children and they require a certain amount of book work. Do they call it book work. And do you show them your textbooks. The textbooks are being shown so let me just give you a couple of thoughts there from a teacher's perspective from a teacher's perspective when I was in the classroom we were also given our curriculum but the curriculum is never to guide the teacher is to guide and you don't push the curriculum in the classroom Yes you have you do have you know you have superintendents who are over you who want to know how far you're getting in your book and I think there are some requirements that you need to get this far but even as a teacher I was 1 and I think it's true a good teacher is going to pick and choose they're not going to think that we can actually go from the beginning the front cover to the back cover it's an unrealistic expectation because sometimes if that's your goal then your goal may not be learning your goal may be accomplishing that text so that's 1 thing even though you have required texts never forget that you are the teacher and you set the pace according to what the child can handle. We also have to be registered we're blessed in that there are registering organizations that we can use in the U.S. and I mention that there are here as well that are Christian based and we have 1 actually that's in Tennessee where I live and they have been very influenced by Raymond Moore I don't know if any of you have read Raymond Moore's books better late than early they are very influenced by him and so for example ice I counted Joshua 4. For 1 credit of Agriculture and I listed all the things he was going to be responsible for managing the market managing all of our wholesale accounts. Being the Harvester manager I just listed all the things he would be responsible for and when I when I sent that into them they sent back and said for all that you've listed he should get a minimum of 2 high school credits for this thank you we gladly take them you know so we have been blessed in that so I would just say this too and I don't I think it's important to be under the law and to do what's right by registering but even in a classroom if you take a field trip that's counted as class time in the U.S. In other words your $180.00 days you might include a trip to a farm or you might include so what I'm really trying to say is be broad in your thinking of education books are a part of education but books are not education does that make sense OK this will be the last on our US OK Very good yes so and so it was just mentioned that and I think it's a wonderful idea educate. The the superintendent of schools or your inspector share with them help them to understand your goals of education and never forget that you are setting the pace for your children's education and do it as closely as you know you be your under the law but with as much. Freedom as as you possibly can all right thank you for your time let's just close in prayer Father in Heaven you are the master teacher and we recognize that the place that you seem to come closest to us is in the garden and so I just pray that we would each 1 be encouraged to press forward with our young children or with our older children to a higher standard of what education really is education is not just an accomplishment of books education is learning how to learn education is learning to know you and to know your will and so may we never forget that true education is coming to know you. Great and Mighty and was. Jesus' name. 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