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And Some Fell Among Weeds: Different Techniques for Weed Management

Edwin Dysinger

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Edwin Dysinger

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  • December 1, 2017
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All right I'm going to go over a few a few additional you know using these different tools that's 1 weed control strategy. I'm going to go over some other weed control strategies that. We have or are musing. That. The 1st 1 is called the stale. Bed. And I'm hoping I can have 1 for you. At least after lunch. So. The idea on the stale see that is it's recognizing that you have this bank of weed seeds in your soil that whenever you work your soil. Those weeds are going to want to come up and so when you do this this is this is particularly the place we use this as 1 of her wanting to direct seed that's this is that this is where the strategy works. So well what the idea is is that you you prepare your bed how you want to prepare and then before you see it you sprout we. Either watered the batter or maybe you make the bed right before rain supposed to come and so you you. Let them be water and you sprout those seeds and then. You can. You can either use the colinear hoe or something like that just very very shallow only take out those seeds that just germinate a word we're dealing with the mental light thread stage. Or if you if you're a little more. Than a little more serious farmer and. More advanced. There is something called the flame. That. You can you can use to. You know it's like a it's got a number it's. Take a while of gas it's a. Sudden there are some that you just have a gas tank on her back and it's like a torch just going. But then my and my nephew as it has come up with 1 that's on wheels that will straddle a 30 inch bed and House I think 5 torches underneath that come down and see you can you can just claim your whole the once 1 house. You know that a bell kill your seeds on the surface and then after you've done that you can direct seed in the bed and your weed pressure will be reduced significantly it's not going to be eliminated but it will be reduced. But you know you can just do a shallow cultivation and intake that is. C L And sometimes when we know that we have a really heavy we pressure in that soil you might even do it 2 or 3 times to before you actually plant your seed sell there's a timing issue on that because you've got to wait about 2 weeks you know. Somewhere around 2 routes between when you prepare the bed and when you can do that cultivation of white bread stage. These 2 moves that. You might think yourself a month out if you do it several times on that. Well that's a good way of taking care of reduce the weed pressure on direct seeds and so we particularly highly recommend this for carrots. Carrots or germinate slower slower than most other seeds. If you have heavy weed pressure and lot of carrots that you just you. Can say. Yeah. Yes. You can. Yeah. Right you can do that and there's a there's a trick that you can do that will what help you you know to to assure you that you're doing it at exactly the right time now to this you just take a small glass and lay it over her where some of the carrots have been seeded. Because it's under that glass will come up sooner. Than the ones that are in the open and so as soon as you see carrots coming up here you have to immediately go out and flame weed and then you can. OK. Yeah. Right. Yeah you can do that I mean what we will do that for the character. For the whole bed just to help keep that one's Well that will put a cover over well water and then lay a floating row couldn't. I have I'm not sure about combine. You know I'm not sure how that would work with that because that will bring all of the heat and everything that is. OK. Right OK yeah. Yeah. We've met him yes we use that I'm going to I'm going to tell about that. OK So the next the next strategy for we is. As we've already talked about mulching a fair bit. Of. 1 way of mulching that is you know if you have 3 months or so that you can how to do this. It's we call it on him or. Or for We've heard or it's not it's not just we've mulching it's for preparing a garden bed. Where you can do is. You take. And later you can just lay it directly on the ground whatever you have you don't have to take out your grass or anything that's brewing on the slate the cardboard on top of it. And then. Then you put a layer of. Straw or hay or something like that. Of leaves on top of it probably 3 or 4 inches and then and then you put a layer. On and then you can put another layer. And actually get a little work really it'll work about it. Down before the cardboard so that the cardboard will keep out the. It'll it'll kill any weeds that try to grow and it'll kill whatever vegetation is on the surface of the soil by a by preventing it from. Receiving any light. But then. You know it'll kill those things better over time the cardboard will break down. And so that's ways that you you need time but if you give yourself at least 3 months. You'll be out the place where you can plant directly in the top of this bed. You'll have a fantastic soil you've just made some topsoil there on top of your ground. You could or. You could yeah. Yeah I mean you could think of all kinds of different applications for it but. Thats it. It's a good way to make yourself a good soil if you don't have a good soil. So I think a time. So. Yes. Well. At least Yeah. The weeds. Vision Yes Shouldn't be much of a problem if you know this is 1 you know that the truth is if you're using hang a Hakan can often how wheat seats in it and even STRAW Well how you know I think it's wheat straw the yellow often how we see things in it and so that would be the main issue there. If you. If you can get Hayes from a field that was that was mon before you don't in spring or this the plants went to seed that's the ideal is. To where. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on my right. Yeah. And also if you know for a year you know we were talking about. The rooted thing you know that that habitat group are running routes this will help to eliminate down as well oh yeah where. Are. There. Yeah yeah. That would probably work. Well you know the thing is you don't want what you put back on the bed won't be weed 3 you know the soil that you put back and you might you might have some of that creeping gross even in that. Right you know that's. Right. Me it would be worth a try you know I've not done that so. You know. We do. Are we have a a grass that's called the Johnson grass when it's when it's mature it'll be called like this and it has a. Fairly large root runner about that size that it will run underground and we know it'll be there it'll be 2 or 3 feet down in the ground. And then coming up of course but it's out of all the different levels of the surface all the way down. And so for us if we just scrape if we scraped up the top foot chances are really good that we would have some Johnson grass in there if we put it back on you know we would be saving ourselves from the Deep Ones. The surface and. So that's that's the. Method of bad making we call it but it's a kind of more than. Another you know we've talked about wood chips and straw or hay and leaves. Another another kind of mulch that is used a lot is plastic. That's you know farmers on a large scale particularly used out for I mean the thing we use that the most for strawberries. And we. Started for me before I did. Is our time I'm. OK. All right so if you want to take a break or just continue for another hour. OK. All right so. For. We use that the mulch for strawberries we know we have a. Player on the tractor and we have an implement that makes a bed and lays them all but we have done it by hand you can just buy the plastic roll them and lay it out and just use a spade or a shovel to keep some dirt on the edges. You generally will want to go down once heap the dirt on 1 side so that you can pull it tight on the other side to keep the other brother working your way or you can you can't wait to get home the bad beat you need to. Do keep going back and forth if you do that. We. All. Live in a. Red. Light and what generally you. Go here. Are. Some of the most layered behind the tractor does that is it that good ol with a desk in the family just that through the back on. Yeah. So. This. When we 1 when my brother John started growing strawberries he he really disliked the idea of using plastic that's the standard for all strawberry commercial strawberry growing US but they say that. There's enough plastic you just growed strawberries that you could round the earth several times. And you know it's this plastic is a you know it's it's a it's about environmental you know how do we get rid of it when we're done with it and you can basically only use the plastic 1 year and you have to redo it so. Vertically. You know. Or oh. OK. OK I did see that sign. OK. So anyways John said I'm just going to do straw and so he did a strong will and. Basically they didn't help him very much on the reeds and all like I said you know you target you you almost have to come behind and pull all the weeds rather than using the tool so it wasn't successful so then he said OK I'm going to use the. Weed matting. You know because it's a woven patch and it's breathable and usable. And so so he could prepare. A lot of us. We've met in. Our the beds of the strawberry field were about $200.00. 50 feet long. And he burned a hole. In in a row where the truckers would be so that you could put that on the truck. And he did that the circle here is and was doing that when I when I joined him on. But after doing it for several years. He began to get the sense that maybe that we'd manatee was harboring the disease. And. So we said OK let's So the next year we said let's do 1 better with this with the plastic mulch and we'll do the rest of the field with. That bed with the plastic watch. It just stood out from the rest of the field the plants were bigger better. You know why were they bigger and better just with a difference of mulch. You know that's. You know nobody really knows exactly. How to. Possibly get I mean they're both black so they would both generate heat in that way. But the you know maybe that the man who is because it's breathable maybe it doesn't quite as much but 11 hypothesis that. Some people have pointed out is that you don't hear. As who said the soil the school of life. And that life is is living breathing. Right and so it's. All that life is is generating carbon dioxide you know it's breathing oxygen and generating accept just like we use and of course that's what plants. Grew right and so 11 of the hypothesis has been made the. All day all apartment. Here. Up a hole and so the plant is getting a concentrated source of carbon dioxide. I don't know have. You yet using you know that there's a drip line we go to underneath that plastic you laid out 1st underneath the plastic. And you leave that group so yeah I mean no it is true that is it's not just Dr Berry is that people have noticed the plants seem to do better with a plastic watch than without. So anyways after that out when you hear we said well you know we have our ideals that we're trying to make a living and. We better just go with the plastic even though we don't like it because it just works better. For. You know. OK. You're. Right. This ours is not now that they have come out with some biodegradable ones some munchies like this so they're out there it is an option they're more expensive. I'm not sure if we could use them that you know. As of a year or 2 ago they were not the biodegradable ones were not accepted by the U.S. organic standards which you know I would think that the but I think they were concerned they were concerned about some. Tiriel and even though it's I think it's corn based mostly. But for some reason they wouldn't accept it and we were certified organic We just last year we dropped our organic certification so we could within Julie use that now. Although we're not trying to we don't want to you know we didn't drop it because we want to change our growing practices we just drop it to the house and keep it. At our customer base is for the most part buying directly from us. Having organic certification is useful primarily when you're whole selling you know because people don't know who the former has they know who the farmer is and they trust you we were that's what we're trying to do is build that trust Still we didn't really need the certification why. For the structure is reusing lock that we have been tomatoes and will leave his white 1 in the hole because they're you know it's hot and we don't want to. Be Thinking. So that's that's. Plastic mortgage. You know as much as we don't like it it does have a place. And all of that then the other thing I wanted to talk about was that we Mattie. That is something that we have just started using it on a larger scale and. Not with our so you know we stop using it with the structure is good we've started using it in the rest of our car and. There are. A couple of ways you can do it. When you have a government like that as these are your bread and then these are the aisle and. Outside I said. There are 3 inches here. So what's up how many theaters that total. Are. That's 4 feet yeah so are that's the problem here to here right so 1 of the 1 thing we have done is. We've now the comes in different now you can buy it in 3 foot with forklift with I don't know what else but there's different with the comes in so we bought we bought 4 foot We've Matty and 4 for crops that we plant a single row down the bed so these would be things like melons and sweet potatoes. Crops like that out we. We have a single row down the. Line and we what we get is great we've got a 4 foot weed matting and we place my name here. OK. And that work nice you oh there you are you were you are right yeah yeah now I'm right how do you how do you hold your weed melody down on the ground. You know. We could hear her. State Yeah. OK you can do that. We have of what we call around staple so it's it's. It's about that why it is the top I mean it's about the size. And it's maybe 5 or 8 inches long. Yeah it's metal it's an arm staple and so we we use that to the whole the edges down so I put 1 every. Obviously at least every 2 feet. Yeah of course you don't want to do it right where the plant is it you'd want to put them in between the plants that yeah. That is just with. Me We don't we don't put them here we just left the fabric on our beds or you know we don't we don't intentionally Well sometimes we do make and intentionally make raised beds but for the most part we're doing them flat on the ground but just the fact of loosening the soil makes them come up a little bit this is a little exaggerated you could read the height of. The. Truth of. The yard. Yeah it really. Is it is a rotary hoe what you what we call rototiller yeah OK we do do that occasionally but we we try to minimise the use of the rotary hoe. It will cover eyes with soil and. Pain right so the the the application where we feel good about using a rotary hoe is if we have if we've had a green manure cover crop and we're wanting to work it into the soil because the other the other thing that the hole will do it besides pulverized the soil if it stirs everything up and so it's beads up become bastion of your Haneke matter so it's specially if you're in a hot place your organic you know your organic matter is just burning not quickly because you're in a hot place anyways but when you run over it with a rotary hole. So it just speeds it up even more it's like stirring up your 5 you know the embers of a fire. So we we don't want to burn up our organic we are places hot in the summer where we're just fighting to keep organic matter. And so we don't want to burn it up but if we're if the reason we're using the rotary hoe is to put organic matter in the soil and we feel that's justified sell well with at the most we would we would do better a field not more than once a year. Down so that the main thing we use to to loosen the soil is is. A spade a fork and 2 or broad. Brush for that. We have sitting out here so it will it will loosen the soil with a spade a fork if if the soil hasn't been worked and then and then ever after that that's just the 1st time then ever after you can do it with a broad floor and oh that's a lot easier on the soil yeah. Yeah. Let I just want to make 1 work on comment on the air the other thing is that the rotary hollow while only does a shallow cultivation and with that abrupt Couric and. Speedy work we can get quite good we can get. You know almost a foot down in the ground so those are the reasons we like to use what 1. So for sweet potatoes. You're saying they say they make a amount of them plant and then yeah. Oh really. You big brute. You. Know I don't know that I'm going to try that. Now. Right OK. Yeah I do know about eating in the sweet potato chips Yeah. Well. Well well do you know do it with a broad corkscrew it's deep and I guess for that reason I haven't felt that it's so important to make a pile because we've made the soil lose the. Well it would be about at least you know it inches to a foot. Hold it right. Behind the hole I have. Here you can. Go to. The machine and leave the hole OK. Yeah but you could afford 1 of those maybe you could go down. Right yeah we use a Yesterday we showed a. Better preparation and it showed a speedy. Rotary speedy machine to good behind the tractor we like to use down rather than the rotary hole. It has. With a number. Of. The down. There on. The Shot. Is. The shout. Really. Good on. This. 1. Yes. So that is that is easier on the soil than a rotary hoe. But it's it's it's pretty slow. And it has it you have to you have to get the tractor is when when John 1st got it you have to modify the tractor that creeper years now we have some transmissions that just you know that. Changes you go see if you can you can set up whatever speed you wanted You're just creeping along very slowly about this speed. It's digging the thought you know it's turning the soil but it's not pulverize and that's the that's the good thing about it's not. On the other the other. Way that you can use this. Is my. My nephew John's son he's he has a business selling someone farm implements for small scale farmers answer he started dealing with it in the weed matting and he you tell him what space you want to hold someone your fabric and he'll put them here put holes in it and let you. And household work. Wherever you wanted them so. There are there's the TO does option here works if you're just having a single plant you know now 1 thing I or I have a father I try the whole bit is yeah here you know. Those that have been there for a week. Try using 3 for. 3 man with them with like 2 rows of kill some of the kale with what's coming up here right right next to her. Home so there is just a space between the kale and that space once the kale has started to shoot out the weeds that space is going to every meeting with growing so you just have to cultivate that space once probably you know. And then you don't have to worry about the rest of the oils or the sides of that so that's another option too to think about the 3. And the nice thing about the weed now that is that it is reusable. Then the the final strategy that just in the last. 2 or 3 years we started using quite a lot on our farm it's using. Silent tarps these are it's a fairly heavy plastic that's white on 1 side of black on the other side. Because it's a fairly heavy plastic you can reuse it for several years and. What we'll do is well we'll lay it on the ground. While it never works somewhat like that lasagna meant that you know we've really talked about the car. The weeds will will try to come up and grow under it and died because they don't have light so the. The thing is if you you can there are 2 different applications for 1 is if you've got a lot of we in an area that you want to kill. You can cover them with the top end and come back. 3 weeks or a month until the dead. Then you know you'll have to take them off and prepare your ground another another application for using that is is to to prepare your bed and you know get it ready for planting and then cover it with that tart and let the weeds sprout you want to water it 1st so you prepare your baggage and water cover it the weeds will will be all happy because they've got watered and no germinate and members no light and they'll die so if you give yourself you can. At So it's similar to the stale see that method. And. Your. You probably need to give yourself about 3 weeks to to make sure you've accomplished I've tried it you don't you not all we germinate at the same time so there are some fast ones at 2 weeks I've taken care of the fast ones but there were other ones you know they were still coming up so. And I I try to you know I told you we have this Johnson grass that house runner is deep in the ground and what it what I had I had a large field Well it was about a 3rd of an acre it's not really large but I I covered about 2 thirds of that in there tarps and I started my garden in the in the 3rd that I hadn't covered and the idea was that then I would keep working my way up you know with the new findings and take the tarp off is like 1 and I have a wheat free area to take up so by the time I got. You know towards the top of the garden. And it was it was about 2 or 3 months. By that time the Johnson grass had been killed under it. You know it it was trying to grow it even to the top you know pushed up the plastic trying to grow. But it is edging out even down here. You know you. Well. Yes. This is it. See the flame weed or. You would have to do it very very slowly and the way it's generally used to not killing any weed seeds it's more mature if you do. Write it off well if you're if you kill weed seeds you're also going to be killing your your microbial life going to announce exactly. What's. Right you know you can if you if you if you do kill those things by heat and I'll tell you enough at doing that if you do kill them that way you know you can reoccupied your soil by adding compost and. We're talking about a Kashi that you know countless tea or things like that you can really not leave your soil without which it you know you've got to really get through you more if. You if if it's a if it's clear you could do that we we have not done a lot of for a Geisha. We mostly just use as we do have the ability to do that we just. Watch. So but what I want to say is with these tarps you're you're not killing the weeds because of heat. It's polite the absence of life that's that's doing the killing but there there is a there is a method of killing. Killing not only for weeks but also the whole life in your soil called solarization and there are there are times where you might want to do that and I'm thinking particularly if you have a persistent soil borne disease in your in your soil. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm thinking more of a fungal disease you know that that's soil borne. Sulfur really good. Yeah I think song right. Yeah. Right so. This is the solar radiation a. Violent way. Most. Most harmful organisms in your soil. Will be killed out about $130.00 to $35.00 degrees I was sharing that yesterday that's current height and. This got a calculator here OK So that's that's $57.00 degrees centigrade so that bell most harmful organisms will be killed at that temperature most are but but the beneficial organisms are not killed until you get up to about 71. So you have that that window there if you can keep your soil to that level you you would take out here your harmful organisms and keep your beneficials So we guess today we were talking about that in the context of compost if you if you bring your compost pile up to that heat. You'll do that. So it's a little harder you know you can you can control your compost pile a little easier to keep it in that temperature range and I think you need to keep it there for about 15 days to actually accomplish that but it's easier to manage or accomplish pile for those temperatures than it is your soil. So this method of solar is ation. You you take up. A large area that we don't need in and who thousands doing it for the whole who palace at once. Just cover. Your soil with a clear plastic so this other this other method was well I guess it could be any kind of plastic but on a clear plastic who's often easy if you've got 2 Powells and just you know you have to change the plastic every few years and you've got. You don't throw it all out you've got some scraps that you could use for this. So. You know you can either frozen soil that you have or type underneath there and I'm all. It would be really good if you could. Run some subject lines underneath it. If you can't do that you want to saturate the screen with water to smoke it really well really wet but if you can run direct lines under then you can water it while you're while you do this process and. You know I think actually your plastic does need to be clear. I'm thinking about this because what you're doing is you're loading the sun come through that plastic and heat your soil and I was I was attending a conference where they were describing. I think. Trying to remember the duck. I think it got up to I think it was getting up at around a 150 in the 1st inch or maybe that was the top half inch so you know again that's 1130 Fahrenheit is. What you need to kill most harmful organisms in the beneficials to survive more than that I mean it was down to about an inch and a half or 2 inches it was still 130 degrees so if they would dig they were using that to kill a fungal disease in the soil. And they felt. That would be successful in doing that. I think you need to leave it for about a month. And so the secret is you need it the soil needs to be more iced because that that will help carry the heat you know needs to be wet. Not just more ice where because that helps to carry heat down in the soil. But it you know they they said it didn't only kill the phone got to hit it kill them but we see it's. The surface of the soil. So we have tried this a few times a lot. OK. So I want to talk about. And before I get directly into that. I want to. Want to give a little around. Thoughts what what I'm dealing with here is different paradigms different ways of looking. And. As I recognized as I recognize that they apply to not just your garden but pretty much the whole life thing. You know they definitely are. All feel. In lots of other areas as well so but I'm going to present. The article. Model. Maybe you can see how I want to place other. Elsewhere so in paradigm number 1. You have an insect past. And that's the problem. It's because it's damaging your plants it's its we do see your expected harvest. It's got to be dealt with and so how do we deal with it. We've got to we've got to kill it right. Let's get rid of it and so and so we search for something that's going to kill that pass through that disease. Speaking diseases are usually living organisms also wanting to kill them so. Our focus in this paradigm is how are we going to get rid of how are we going to limit this pastor disease if in paradigm to we we look at things differently we see we see a pastor a disease in our garden and we say. That that's an indicator that my plant is getting stress. And I need to figure out what can I do to eliminate that stress from my plan. And so and so my focus is on the on the health and well being of the plant and Kerry so I'm trying to find out what's what's causing the stress. Just it's kind of an interesting note that most of the time not all the time but but the majority of the time. The problem is going to be below the surface of the ground at the root level. There's there's there's usually a minute the simple 1 might be water stress too much water or too little water. But there's you know there's interest in all issues and another other things that can stress the plant. Up a level below the roots I mean if the whole plan to stress the problems is a roof if she in the ground oh so but you know it can be too much sun or too much heat or or you know other other things besides the soil issue. So my and my focus in this paradigm is like I said how do I improve the well being of my plant do you use any application of these 2 paradigms on other levels. Scientists in. Europe. OK good very good and you know. That. Yes yes. You know 1 thing that that really opened my eyes it regarding organic agriculture was. Before I started farming I was John who had started for me and we were visiting we weren't living there you can't do this it and he said you know there's there's going to be. A farm show you know that the state Agriculture Department was doing a farm show and they said they're going to be on they're going to have a little bit on an organic. They were going to be talking about very production strawberries and other berries and a lot of other things but he said they're going to have a little organic in there as I think this was just the beginning. You know where they are just started condescended to do a little organics. So I said Yeah I'd really like to go so we went and you know I don't know how those farm days are here a bit there and then they loaded us into a going behind a tractor and then they took us to visit different demonstrations you know a number of different demonstrations different crops. Squash a lot of different things and I was just I was really really impressed you know we went to to each demonstration and they said OK here's the crop these are issues that we face you know seizes or other things that we face with the past that we face with this crop and here's the product that you can use for it we go to the next 1 here's the crop so we grow up these are the diseases and the issues we face and here's the product to go with it and there's actually a rope there. And suddenly the whole tour was like that you know 1 after the other I thought wow. You know it's so you know my my dad is a medical doctor and the medical field is exactly the same 1. Who yell and that just opened my eyes so why I think so. So yeah I think I think you can guess we we like paradigm too you know and that's that's where we want to work and so are. We don't like to focus on pests we don't like to focus on diseases. Our focus is on how do we have healthy plans what what can we do to provide the environment that is going to make those plants flourish. This is you know how can I be life giving. How can I give. Now I do want to be clear that that Biddy vides between these 2 paradigms is not the equivalent of the Gulf divide between conventional and culture because there are a lot of organic farmers particularly conventional. Large scale organic farmers commercial we're going to plant workers who are who are using organic products in a paradigm number 1 method. You see them so you can operate in paradigm 1 organically. And then. Yes. Yeah yeah so that you know that I think it's really important to help that theory and mine just because you're organic doesn't equate that you are operating in her to you. And I and I think I should clarify when when we're when we should talk about the organic substances that are used in paradigm and even at paradigm you know well yeah and so. What's the difference between those substances and conventional you know why or why with organic be better in that case. The primary difference is that organic poisons are naturally. Not manufactured in they might be extracted in a lab or processed and that they are. Come from natural product. Because of that they generally degrade rapidly so. When a conventional farmers bruises crop with a fungus or a pesticide generally he would like that. You know effective plant for a bit of time. When you use an organic product. That product is good. For choose. Almost certainly when it rains. So there's a much shorter window of time or. You. Will. Be. Either I think they don't recognize. You. Yeah. Right. So. You know so we prefer paradigm too but at the same time you know we've got to be practical. You know my plants got stressed but that's my crop right now you know a lot of times if if my plants are stressed and I get. Pests. I mean there's not really any way to rectify that situation until I grow my new crop you know if I figure out what what was causing the stress you can't a lot of times you can't rectify. The mistake or you know what was there you've got that crop now and you've got to him a lot and so. I'm going to talk about a number of. Organic ways that we try to manage pests and reduce pest pressure. And even you know some some poisons that we use now. On our farm we are are very very reluctant to even spread organic pesticides you know 1 of the 1 of the strongest organic pets pesticides is is wrong and we very you know it's it's once every number here is that 1 of these that. We very rarely use it because. The thing has in nature you have well you just don't see. US and disease running amok in the bush on here with 1 exception. And the exception is something that's that's been introduced OK but in the in the natural setting without doubt exception they're not running amok Why is that. Part of whatever. Yes that's right so for every every insect past there are predators that prey on. The diseases the same the same thing. And so that's why you know they're there in the bush they're the past and there are the predators on them and that's how nature works so it doesn't get out of balance where it gets out of balance is where and when past is is introduced that has no predators or diseases introduced that has you know nothing to keep it in check that's that's when it gets out of balance so. On our farm our goal is to not necessarily eliminate pests and disease our goal is to keep it in check. And you know if we if we use something like pie rethrow for example it's going to kill everything it's going to kill my my past and it's going to kill the predators that program past and so that's why we really do not like to use something like that. Even if it's working because you know he was more. Of a sheeple as. You know a lid. On the night. That you read that. Will. You know yes he has got the. How this stuff the more story. While they are. Young all. Of that stuff and all. The usual if. You go and you become. You know and it's because all that like you know. In the. Country Yes. That's true and there is this. There is a certain amount of it in the U.S. at least there's a certain amount of. Awareness counter that and. So people who are wanting chemical free produce are recognizing that you know if if there's some imperfections on it that's it's almost like a a badge or a signature that this is. You know we have more assurance that this really is organic it's not. Bad but it didn't happen here OK but it but it takes it takes on awareness raising and education and opportunity to help people see that. You know better. That is a big drive I mean that's probably the the biggest driving force in using chemicals is to help. Appearing. Piece of fruit or presence and. So I want to tell you about well I'm. Just as as an illustration of this concept Eliot Coleman. He's a he's a organic govern writer he's written several books that we really appreciate oh you tell the story of of visiting in Europe he'd like to go to Europe because the Europeans are trying to be a little more advanced in small farm techniques and technologies than we are in the states and so he was visiting. In France and he came to a town where there was this man who had. Trying to remember how. I think it was almost a couple acres under under glass it was a very large. Greenhouse and what was really neat is that he had that he had a store you have a storefront where he was selling his produce. Things that he grew and you could walk out the back of his store front into his. Greenhouse And so there was a direct connection and. Eliot Cohen said that he went into that green house and he was this he said he had never seen such diversity things growing together in 1 place so you know he had that he had the. Peaches. And. You know all growing together underneath. You know every kind of vegetable you could think of you know both the cool seizing on the warm season all of growing together at 1 time and he was just astounded at the diversity. Is all very intensely cultivated wrong. But it really blew him away was he. In the center of his greenhouse this Manhattan area where he was he was reading. Past. You know the insects that. He was actually inside his greenhouse. And Elliott was saying what are you doing. Or are you doing this and. You know because in America I'm sure it's here to. Get real commercial greenhouse you have to go through a sanitary process to go into it and he was saying this guy was just fearless you know. What what he said is yeah I'm growing these because I'm also growing the predators that prey on them and they have the predators have to have a food supply otherwise they won't remain here you know they'll disappear and so he was he was keeping the balance going inside an enclosed environment like that he somehow worked it out. So that's that's just a whole different way of for most agriculturalists. Going to. Help all of. You know. That. You all yes. Have to. Be. Healthy. All right. All right. And. What you. Get Yes. You. Become more. Or. You. With you. Yes. It is. All in the. Road. You will hear. The. Yes Will. He. Be the right no he will think yeah. You know the I guess the wave the way we're approaching out is that we feel that well for 1 thing the only way we see that we can make it financially. Is to sell direct to the consumer because we can we can sell for a much higher price and we have found that we have to we have to sell for a premium price to really make it worthwhile for us so you know we go into our high end nothing heard of Whole Foods but we go in and see what they're selling for and we match that price or make it a little higher. And that you know I'm always wanting to give people a good deal that I can survive if I don't do that and so we're we are selling to a population who has been educated and who really. Who really highly value is our product. Eve. Yeah. Well yes it is. The whole life. Yeah you know and it was it is changed completely the way I think when I when I when I shop when I when I see some produce for. A really cheap price the 1st thought in my mind is really some poor farmer got a raw deal to you yesterday yeah yeah so. If the. Example of the. Oil out of the. Heat Yeah. You. Are right and 1 thing right. If you. Have. Yeah. Yeah. You know. That it will. Bring people into the store. Yeah but what if you think. That. Yes. People will yes. So anyway as. You know where we are we're just trying to grow for the market that we can find that we can sell direct to. And and hoping that you know we can do our part to to make this kind of food more available and and to educate people and the more people we have doing now the you know maybe we can we can start shifting you know that. In America. The organic food sector has been growing steadily at about 3 percent a year there's there's no other sector in the food and beverage realm that is that has grown so consistently and so much over like the last 20 years and and that is is forcing the major manufacturers who who said you know who wrote organic and wouldn't even give it a 2nd thought. They are being forced to reconsider and now the Major a number of major. You know food consolidators and. Sellers are buying organic line. You know they're starting to get into that. I mean even even Coca-Cola and Pepsi are buying organic beverage companies as part of their product line now. Yeah. So you know if. It is if it's not it is a shift that is not going to take place immediately it's something that we have to work or. So I think our time's up for and and when we come back. We'll go into some some specific. Ways of controlling. This media was brought to you by audio 1st a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse if you would like to listen to more sermon leave a Visit W W W audio verse or.

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