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Tough Questions About the Godhead- Part 1

Cory Herthel Darryl Bentley




  • June 19, 2017
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Our loving Father God It is truly a privilege to come before the throne of grace and Lord we just thank you that you are the God who hears you man that we do not pray to gods of wood or stone or we put pray to you the 1 true God and the father we just asked that she would please drop close to us by the power of your Holy Spirit Lord we only want that you would be honored that you would be glorified in what we would seek to share today and so we just pray that those that are with us those that are watching those that are listening they could be blessed by the things that are shared and learned we know that while there are tough questions in this world you are the God who also have it has answers and so Lord as we explore some questions please give us your answers that we might have your understanding for this is our prayer this is our hope in Jesus amen name Amen. Well as to hurtful as we're considering the Godhead as worse considering what some might even refer to as this concept of the Trinity Trinity Of course not a word that we find in the scriptures the word Godhead is found in the scripture but Trinity involves this idea of a god that is 1 God that somehow exists in 3 different persons and I think that it would be fair to say that we're not going to explore everything that there is to know about this it would just be impossible to exhaust the subject well I would say so because we actually have counsel that tells us that in dealing with the nature of God and the personhood of God we're going to spend eons into eternity going on and on and on studying this particular topic and with a finite mind we're not in Heaven yet are we I hope this isn't heaven yet but when we when we get to heaven we'll have those mines which are then perfect unable to grasp and comprehend and absorb so much more information right now we can't do that so now we can only see what scripture reveals to us about this particular topic and we could spend hours upon hours upon hours just on this particular subject and we only have $51.00 hour series so we are going to have to make this thing practical we're going to have to go through Scripture we want to do it efficiently but maybe a little bit quickly will in any 1 encourage our folks to you know maybe take notes even That's right here that's right and I really appreciate the fact that you brought out we are going to a try to attack this thing in a very practical way a lot of folks might try to say well let's go the scholarly approach right let's see how many scholarly minds that we could employ to exhaust the subject when really if we simply stick to the Bible and to the Spirit of Prophecy we really have everything that we need for the average Joe the average Jane so to speak sitting in the pew to be able to understand. On this subject as it's presented from Scripture a man but we need to understand also who has authority that's right is the authority the final authority is that with the church is the final authority up with up to the individual who may be reading and has an idea and says this is what I think it is right right is it the individual reader is it a local pastor is it is it me or you as a pastor ultimately I think we need to understand that the the authority lies with the Word of God and so friends that's why today we want to start out discussing biblical authority and you'll see the other word there that's on the screen this is this big word that gets bounced around in scholarly and theological circles hermeneutics you know what not what are hermeneutics what is they hermeneutic And so we want to explore some of these things today kind is that the foundation because if we have a weak foundation then we have then we have a weak and we have a weak stand what's so great is when we have a solid foundation as you say pastoral then we can actually build and get some place we can get something out of it and that's that's a good thing if we can narrow down and locked down and say the authority is going to come from the Bible number 1 number 2 it's going to be supported by the council we have the Spirit of Prophecy and we say that's where we're going to focus our attention that's where we're going to focus our energy through the seminar then as we go along it's not going to be about Pastor Daryl's position or your opinion it's not going to be about Cory's position or his opinion because really ultimately not neither 1 of us died for anyone sends him and nor did any other pastor or church leader and so that's why when we do our program it's so important that we come to this particular point where we're dealing with a sound hermeneutic words sound method of Bible study let's just jump right into our 1st tough question perhaps and there are people maybe maybe not here today but others that might hear this maybe there are some here today that are wondering how can we be certain that we can trust the Scriptures. I mean how many people have you heard say well the Bible you know it was good for a season that was good for a group of people but listen that's an equated that has been that was for people in a time span yet was dispensed to just 1 era and once that once those people that generation was no longer we no longer need will sometimes it's either a portion of Scripture or it's the whole thing that people say they don't get the discarded in part or total And so we're going to start out with this question how can we be certain that we can trust the Scriptures and I want to I want to start out by saying this is well there are at least 2 sources of evidence that give us some understanding about whether or not we can trust the Scripture and when I say to sources let us define them number 1 there's internal evidence and so that's what we would go in and we would see what does the Bible say about itself what does it tell us about itself and what does it tell us about the overall context of it so that's exactly right and will define that a little bit further put it on the screen for you as well but also you have not only inside the Bible you have outside the Bible so we have that external evidence well and it's important because if you go to find any book on the book shelf and so you go to the library and you're looking for something to read and you open it up and the the preface of the book says No By the way everything in this book is going to be absolutely true and good and you're going to want to read and absorb everything that's in this book well the book's not going to tell you that it's no good right and so the Bible tells us in various ways that we can trust it however we need this other type of evidence which proves and makes the Bible tried and true for us so that internal evidence we're saying is what the Bible says about itself but let's say this though if you have a document like the Bible and I am and I'm talking about a document when we consider the canon of scripture OK but when you have a document if that document disagrees with itself. It does destroy the credibility credibility is gone right so it least if a document is going to be considered faithful issued at least agree with itself I think that's fair don't you seems fair to me all right but external evidence it's what other sources outside the Bible would say about the Bible and here's 1 of our internal evidence says all Scripture according to 2nd Timothy $31617.00 is given by inspiration of God and he goes on to say it is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness verse 17 picks up and says that the man of God may be complete thoroughly equipped for every good work you know what I love about this passage Pastor Corey the word that we have translated here in the English as inspiration is actually that Greek words they are news to us they know of course coming from meaning God noosed us from NUMA meaning breath and so literally to strum the Greek means God breathed and so the scripture is not just some regular document it's not just a book that we would pick up from in tickety it's something God breathed I mean how does that strike you when I think of that so if it's something that's breathing breath if something has breath in it it's alive it's it's moving it's progressing and so when you come to scripture as pastoral said it's not something that we just read as a novel it's not just a bedtime story but it's actually a living word and I believe there's a really good scripture in Hebrews Chapter 4 This says it will talk about that when and yeah I will be jumping ahead but it talks about God's word being a living word and that it sharp it has the ability to cut and divide and to bring about new growth Well let's look at the next part of the verse not only does it say that it's inspiration of God right but it says it's profitable now if something's profitable profitable it's valuable it's worth some it's valuable it adds to me that's right right it. Isn't take away from me but it's profitable for what doctrine reproof correction and instruction in righteousness and really each of those is kind of saying the same thing in a different tone because doctrine is teaching L.B.J. talked about that the other day I believe that the Ordination Service doctrines are good word Amen that's right somebody should say men it's from doctrine is a good word we want doctrine the Bible tells us that if we don't have the doctrine of Christ then we don't have God and so the Bible tells us everything that comes from the will of God and it tells us everything about who Christ is your member when Jesus talked to the fairest seas and they were so sure of themselves that they knew the scriptures they knew the Torah forward and backward they knew the prophets forward and backward and Jesus said you read the scriptures you study them for in them you think that you have eternal life to turn a life and then he says but really what you've missed is that these are they which testify of me so everything which is actually the source of eternal life their salvation in Christ that said it all comes back together to a center point look at this next part to reproof correction we live in a world today that doesn't not like that does not like to be reproved it does not like to be corrected No it's unkind it's not friendly Well it's in that you referred to as being judge mental Yeah if you point out the facts of sin in someone's life sometimes it's referred to as being judgmental but notice it's for instruction in the righteousness so the reason God wants us to have doctrine the reason he wants to reprove us the reason he wants to correct us is that we can be instructed in righteousness in other words knowing how to live rightly for God It exactly what Remember that phase that went to that fat I guess you could say that happened about 20 or so years ago with little bracelets and everybody was wearing the W W O O what would Jesus do and it's all the bumper stickers on the car and you see all these things but yet people would wear these things and they'd have these things but if you watched a lot of these individuals from the far. I don't think that their life answered that question necessarily And so the Bible tells us and answers that question and like you said instruction in righteousness God wants us to learn what does it mean to be like Jesus what does it mean to live for Him and to live under his will and ultimately we're going back to our question can we trust the scripture Matt Well if if the scripture Scripture is God breathed if it's something that comes from God and it is profitable for all of these things to instruct me to instruct you to instruct all of us in righteousness and then notice verse 17 that the man of God may be 1 that complete complete perfect perfected nothing is left out and I like this next part thoroughly equipped for every good word and so I love that we do have this internal testimony this internal evidence that the Bible is trustworthy because it is a source that comes from God And what's so beautiful pastor Darrell is there is no other book that I've ever read in my life that when I finish reading the book I can say this has completely changed who I am as a person God's word the words that God inspires have a life changing influence a power a catalyst if you will to make you a different person what comes to mind is 2nd Corinthians 5 in verse 17 if anyone be in Christ is a new creation is a new richer each year and so when we come to Christ and how do we come to Christ I've met I've never met Jesus walking on the street have you I'd like to and I would but I haven't done that yet I've never shaken his hand but the way that we fall in love with Jesus the way we get to know all about him and who he is and what His will is for us and how much he loves us you know that song Oh how I love Jesus because He 1st love me how do I know that it's because I've been instructed in righteousness through the Word of God and it's through that word that I get to know who my savior is and though we're talking about right now internal evidence how. The scripture testifies of itself that really isn't how my life has been changed by God A powerful xterm no evidence a man let's keep looking here is some more internal evidence how does the Scripture testify of itself and so now we come to 2nd Peter chapter 120 and 21 I've really been appreciating the Sabbath school quarterlies name in talking about Peter's writings the 2nd Peter 120 and 21 knowing this 1st that no prophecy of scripture is of any what type of purpose interpretation private private interpretation will come back to that just a moment but for prophecy never came by the will of man but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit so so want to go back to this that prophecy is of scripture is not of any private interpretation what does that mean what is private interpretation. From the perspective of the scripture here well I believe what Peter is trying to tell us is that it's not up to us to play the role of the Holy Spirit It's not up to me to take the word of God and to read into it my own philosophies my own opinions now I might come to the scripture and I might have some preconceived notion because as I grew up I might have heard something that was away at you know I might have heard something was this way right my entire life. And it's OK to come to the scripture having those understandings but with the attitude of Lord if you reveal to me something from the scripture that differs from my opinion I need to be willing to adapt I think you're exactly right and my mind goes we don't have this on the screen but my mind goes back to Isaiah 118 yes the Lord says to there he says Come let us reason together so God is not opposed to us coming in asking questions that's right God is not opposed to come in us coming to him and saying Lord I don't get this this doesn't make sense to me Help me understand this and the beautiful thing is how many of us here parents I know we've probably got parents in the audience here with us. I always like to say God our Father is not a just because I said so God he's very transparent right he doesn't have to be he doesn't have to be as a beautiful thing he doesn't owe you any that's right he gave you life he gave you the opportunity to live so he doesn't owe us anything but yet he condescends and that shows us that shows Aslan's internets of who he is and so he's willing to be transparent to reveal to us his purposes his intentions and so that's why I believe Isaiah $0.10 that because he's talking about their sinfulness right and these are your sins because it's Arleigh to be as white as snow and so he's dealing with their sinfulness and he's calling them to repentance and in that call to repentance he's offering them the opportunity to ask questions and to understand why God do you want it this way Rahman let us reason together what a beautiful idea it really is and solicit go back to the passage 2nd Peter 120 and 21 we've read both of those verses but with we've come to this idea and remember we're asking the question can we trust the Bible Well Peter is telling us prophecy of scripture is not of any private interpretation then he tells us why it can't be for prophecy never came by the will of man in other words are we God know it we're the ones Are we the ones that are given Bible prophecy and we can't just dream these things up no so if we're not the 1 giving it how can we be the 1 to say finally what it should say that's right we can have the final say on it he says prophecy never came of the will of man but holy men of God spoke as they were moved in in a and I love Again you know not here to be the everybody up with the Greek or the Hebrew or whatever but this word moved literally means carried along by the Holy Spirit the Holy Man of God spoke as they were carried along as they were moved by the Holy Spirit for me that's just a powerful thought because I know now when I come to the Word of God 1st of all it was all God breathed it was all given by. Inspiration of gun now I don't have to depend on private interpretations I don't have to do it to depend on this this opinion that opinion that opinion I can simply come and let the Word of God speak that's right and let the Word of God be the final arbiter it comes about through the 1st thing we were talking about when we said we have to build a solid foundation and not only build a solid foundation but we need to stick to that foundation because when you start going here and there and everywhere you can have opinions that differ from 1 end of the spectrum all the way to the end then there is no absolute There's no doubt there's nothing that you can definitively anchor to and say this is what it is so you have to have that standard you have to have that that foundation Well and what's the old saying about opinions they're like noses everybody has laid all mellow That's right so let's stay away from opinions running well to keep going here. We've talked a little bit about those those those internal evidence is and of course again we're not trying to exhaust the Scriptures here but we're trying to give an overview but what about these external evidence as well 1 of them that I don't have on the screen that I that I wished we had thought of earlier was like you said a changed life that's right no 1 can come to me and argue about how the word of God has changed my life Amen it's the best sermon there is watching a life that has been transformed and I think our hymnal to page 251 he lives you ask me how I know he lives he lives within my heart and so it's this it's this again this catalyst this thing that has changed us and you can look back on the person pastor Darryl you and I have shared our testimonies on strong tire radio before we've shared them with 1 another extensively we know our background you look at who we were before we came to know who Jesus was wouldn't you say that there was a catalyst for change somewhere along the way well let me give you just a little insight I'm not a big Facebook person. But I remember years ago when I 1st got a Facebook page some guy that I went to high school with and I'll not reveal his name to protect the guilty OK but he sent me a message and he remembered me from high school and he saw that I was now a pastor and he asked me this question How desperate was your church that they ask you to be a pastor Yeah but what that's a testimony to how hard God knows what a rascal I was back then and so I wished we had that 1 on the screen but thank you for bringing that out powerful powerful external evidence includes a change of life but also archaeological findings no 1 of mine in your favorite professors Dr Michael hostle So they're not going to university he's the chair of the archaeological in department there we took our 1st semester Hebrew from Dr Oziel I know that he would agree with us and be able to show I wish he were here today to be able to say to us look at what archaeology has shown us to substantiate the claims of the Bible and so archaeological findings again we don't have time to get into all of that but it is 1 of those external evidence is that tells us that the Bible is trust well because you have you have tangible artifacts that show that what God has revealed to us in the scripture are things that actually came to pass and you can find historical documents you can find those historical. Pieces of what I want to say artifacts again these are things tangible artifacts that show the dates and so forth and it's pretty awesome when we when we look at those Arca we have to get Dr Oziel here some yes he'd have to help us well another evidence external evidence would include contemporary writings and we're not talking about contemporary to our day we're talking about contemporary to the Bible writers of the day and so these other writings will include bits and pieces of things that God said would happen and we find in their writings that they substantiate that they verify that it actually did happen so can I just throw a wrench in real good passenger you know I like to do that from time to thank you for that yes you're welcome How do we know then how do we differentiate if we have contemporary writings to the Bible how can we differentiate that those particular writers are not also inspired if they're giving the same stories if they're recounting the same things that took place how do we know that the Bible is what's inspired those books that we've included in the Bible as opposed to what this other contemporary this this this other person that wrote and supports what the Bible says what makes the difference 1 of the biggest things that we see is agreement among the writers of the Bible now we have 66 different books of the Bible. Written over a span of estimated about 1500 years and somewhere between 40 to 42 Bible writers OK on several different continents the different continents in the 1500 years that I mentioned that you are a few 100 years different levels of education rather different backgrounds different cultures are so huge 3 example of those things but what we find is those writings that claim to be from God bear certain traits where there's agreement so there's sort of like a silver needle and a golden thread that weaves all this stuff together and ties in it that it really is that's 1 illustration another that I like the way the old evangelist. I would say was the truth is that you find in the Bible you can line them up like fenceposts right and when you look down that fence and we know about putting up fencing here you can't meet him would you write these guys worked tireless putting up all the fencing and making sure it's straight the truth is the same way you can line that truth up when you look at those fence posts and if there's something you look down the fenceline there's a post way outta line over here something's wrong and so we see in some of these writings that are contemporary writings but they're not inspired writings they may have some of the story of the scripture but then their way off on a tangent someplace over here an example of some of those writings would be the Apocrypha and that's why you'll see in most of our Bibles today probably most people are carrion they're not carrying bibles with 1st and 2nd McCabe's right these other books they're contemporary writings but they're not inspired and they're not necessarily bad writings to take a look at just for historical or or even for study you know to to get yourself culturally and historically can text to allies to what's happening so that's another external evidence historical documents and we're not talking about this time just contemporary writings we're talking about actual historical documents maybe from a government source maybe from you know some sort of archival source but these historical documents verify Let's go back to archaeology 1 of the ways that historical documents they were actually inscriptions upon stone and I remember 1 of the most fascinating discoveries and you'll have to forgive me I don't have all the details again we'll have to call Dr hostle but 1 of the most fascinating discoveries is you go to Daniel Chapter 5 and in Daniel Chapter 5 you've got this king that's reigning Delta Shaz or rye and people said oh you can't trust the Bible because there's no record of this belt to show as Or he was not officially listed in the historical documents the historical inscriptions as being the king over Babba. On at that time well praise God for archaeology because what they found out was there was a system that was taking place at that moment of CO Regency in you had the actual King who was kind of functioning in exile he was the actual Regent listed in the succession of kings but then this archeological evidence that was found actually mentioned Delta says or and so the Bible was validated in vindicated once again and again I wish I had all the details will call Dr House and ask him but what else do we have historical fulfillment So not only documents that told us these things were going to happen or they mention them but then we see they actually came true and that's the best part of all when you can actually look back and you can pinpoint through history how the Bible timeline fits with what actually took place in the world you always like to say someone to steal your thunder on our program almost every time pastor Darryl likes to say we have to remember that the things in the Bible did not happen in a vacuum a vacuum they did not happen in a vacuum there was there was a world that was happening there was life that was happening the recall tears that were taking place there were people living upon the world there was work happening there were things being built cetera et cetera and as the Bible is being written the folks that are writing the Bible are living in and around all of these things and so you find references in Scripture to that and then you can look back on the history and see those things but what's the best part of all is when you start reading those prophecies especially the ones that as we as Adventists love so much like Daniel Chapter 9 we see the fulfillment of the 2300 days coming to fulfillment in Christ and so we see we see how that came to fulfillment so we know for a fact if that came to fulfillment so perfectly that gives us that extra trust that extra measure to say well whatever hasn't happened yet because of all these other things we can be certain that the Bible hasn't failed yet and it's not going to fail in the future like that old saying you can take that to the bank you can you can take it. So the bank Well you know this is just a small spattering we're going we're trying to ask the question how can we be certain that we can trust the Scriptures Well I think these evidences both internal and external point to the fact that we can trust the Scriptures we can know that the scriptures are trustworthy so let's consider another question if we may now Christ's right at the point you know he goes through this mockery of a trial he's brought before pilot in pilot asked the question. What is truth and it's interesting the pilot asked the question after he had asked Jesus are you really a king in the know Jesus didn't say a whole lot through his trial right he didn't say a whole lot he basically kept quiet most of the time but you notice that he spoke up when it came to defend in the Father or defending so to speak or validating verifying what his role actually was that God was calling him to do so he speaks up before a pilot asked this question it is true I am a keen for this I was born this I have come and then that is truth Jesus says and then pilot not accepting what Christ has just told him asked the question what is truth and this question gets repeated over and over and over in many circles because that's what people are searching for how can I know how can I trust what is the truth and in our society pastor we talk about this a lot in our society and there are many versions of the truth aren't there you know so many people have their idea of what truth is and again it's because we don't stand on 1 solid foundation you know my mind goes back and to a gentleman that attended the church where you're a pastor in who had been to this denomination that denomination human were brother Dan and he had gone to how many different churches several I mean just over not just in this church that researched this church and what was he looking for truth he was looking for truth and I remember you guys recorded his testimony and I remember watching that video but but then he was answering the question he found truth by study in the Word of God a man he didn't find it listening to this church preach this dogma this church preach another dogma and dogma is different than doctrine right doctrine is established from the Word of God that dogma are the thoughts and ideas of a particular group of people that's right and so he got tired of dogmas. And he wanted doctrine to know the truth so pilot asked the question what is truth I'm glad the Bible gives us an answer doesn't the Bible always going and you know passing through OK so every time we do our program we talk about tough questions but we always like to say you know the questions really aren't that tough if we go to the source of all the answers Absolutely and so we let the Bible tell us and friends if this is not as plain to you as it is to us than I would ask you to pray about that and let's think that let's think about this Texas real quick let's let's just paint the picture for just 1 moment what is happening Well these are just the 17 These are Jesus' words Jesus where is he in this moment he's in the garden of get Sammy he is awaiting to be arrested and he's praying he's already started out I mean we read in other places that praying so fervently that that capillaries burst and blood comes through his pores he's praying and he's not praying in this moment for himself as he in this moment he is praying for the people that have been called out of darkness into light and in the 3rd section of this prayer he's praying for those who would believe as a result of the work that has been done in his in his ministry and right in the center of this prayer we find the thesis statement or we find that the main idea of the prayer and that is that Jesus wants the people to be same faces sanctify them by your truth your word is truth he's asking God the Father in this moment Lord the only way these people are going to be saved the only way there is hope for them is if they can be set apart sanctified made holy set apart from the rest of the world and the only way that can happen is if they are anchored in the truth in another sort of a counter text to this we find Paul dealing with people who are being shaken out of the faith in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 and he gives us the reason for this shaking and for people to follow way is because they didn't love the truth so Jesus is. Ring so fervently here in the garden before his arrest not saying Lord I'm scared and I need help which he did do that he did pray and say if this cup can pass but in this moment he's praying for his people because that was the whole purpose of his ministry in the same thing was happening once to see them say sanctify them by true he does in the same thing was happening 2nd Peter chapter 3 Peter said in the last day there will come scoffers everything where where is your comments for why of things not you know why are things not moving forward and Peter says I command you to get back to the Scriptures and get back to the prophets Peter understood the same thing noticed again the can grew its notice the agreement the unity that you find between the Bible writers you have Paul as you pointed out Jesus giving this testimony and Peter in full agreement with that saying it's the truth it's the Word of God that really has the power to change lives Amen I want to hinge on the word that you choose struck on the air and it sanctify. You know when we look at the Sabbath there are 3 governing principles as it relates to the Sabbath 1st of all God rested right God rested from the his labor his creative need at rest because he was tired right when he was changed or he never focus right he was changing focus but he rested he says than that he blessed the Sabbath day right and then he would he didn't so you have these 3 principles of rest a special blessing that falls on the Sabbath but also sanctify and making holy and to sanctify something means to be set apart for God's purposes so Christ is plain sanctify my people set them apart for a holy purpose by your truth so notice what does not go together error and sinfulness do not go together with truth and sanctification That's right so if I want to be sanctified if I want to be used by God in a holy purpose I have to embrace his truth in Christ is very clear in case you don't know what truth is let me tell you that's right your word is truth and so it's just this very powerful very impactful statement that God's Word is the only source of truth and the only way I can have truth is if I'm repeating the word of God that's it and you can ask my church family I often will tell them especially in prayer meaning never leave here saying I'm a pastor Bentley said Yes you know the last thing I want is about it quoting me I want them out in the Scripture I did a baptism not too long ago and the individual that I baptized made the comment during his baptism he said you know for years and years I've asked questions to different pastors and they always give an opinion they always say well you know here's what I believe or here's what I think and he said but when Pastor Corey sat down and studied with me and I start asking questions he said we'll know more about what I think let's go to the Bible and that was the part that drew him in to want to be a part of our church. And I can say that's that's my testimony the reason why I fell in love with this faith and wanted to become an administration was because of how we view the Bible and its authority and how we honor and respect the sanctity of the Word of God and how it has the ultimate say so at the end it's not about well the pastor said this so I have to do it you know I didn't make changes in my life just simply because a pastor told me that's what I had to do to become a member of the church well how many people have you studied with how many people have heard the truth presented to them in a public set of meetings and they get convicted about the Sabbath they're just old fire for the Sabbath and then they go talk to their pastor and their pastor says no the Sabbath was no to the cross all came and then they go back it was just forget about it it is so easily people want to exchange opinions for the truth of God The real number is change but the scary thing about that is and I say this just as a as a reminder to to all of us the scary thing about doing that is when we have been revealed something scripture so many times folks will read something in Scripture they'll hear to learn and they'll say well I don't feel convicted about that yet so that's why I haven't made that change the problem is we don't ever want to base our decisions for Jesus off of how we feel because some days we don't feel so good so we don't we don't wake up 1 day and say you know I don't feel like keeping the Sabbath and so the Holy Spirit's telling me I'm not convicted on that anymore when the when the Bible has revealed to us truth that is the Holy Spirit speaking to us amen and the Holy Spirit speaks through his words so if the Bible has told us something and we can intellectually understand it and the and the Lord has revealed that to our understanding that's conviction and we need to follow through then even if it cuts against our grain a little because ultimately what we're saying when I say that I'm not convicted about something I'm ultimately saying at this moment I like Error more than I like true that's right and the scary thing about that is especially if I say well I have understood like you mention the Sabbath I've gone to these meetings I've taken these bible studies I understand that the Bible says the 70. Day was made holy by God it was done in creation it didn't happen some time later it was done in creation and I see that understand but then I go to another pastor or a church member or a relative and they say all but you know the Bible wasn't the Sabbath was done away with it's not necessary I actually heard had someone tell me 1 time that Jesus doesn't want us to keep the Sabbath anymore and they said it with such conviction and fervor and I said Really please show me that in the scripture and obviously that cannot be substantiated so we always have to go back to you know even if somebody says something very articulate and can wax eloquent we want to ask them take me back to the scripture and show me from the scripture where that is because that's the ultimate what we see in Paul's and Peter's writings as well if they come to you with a different gospel than tell even if it's us Paul says even if it's 1 even if I come and tell you something differently than I've already told you don't believe it if it's contradictory and you need to go away it's we want to make sure that we allow the scripture to have final authority because that's giving God the final authority and list think about what happens as truth is revealed to me and I follow it I think it leads us into our next verse some 1105 a verse that's very familiar to them in these places it's 1 of my favorite to your word is a lamp to my feet and then light to my path and so it it tells us about the progressive revelation of scripture and I love meeting people who have been dedicated Christians in another faith right they've lived up to everything that God has shown them they're just loving the Lord their surrender to him and then they learn about the Sabbath Little learn about the state of the did they learn about the truth of the 2nd coming that Christ is not coming in secret to still his people he's coming in glory to receive his people they learn about the spirit of prophecy just they learn about the sanctuary message and so they're like wow I'm not so excited about this material and so we make a call for baptism and they say well I was baptized before. And I don't want to I don't want to wash away my baptism and what I love to help them understand is listen when you're being baptized into the truth that you've now learned we're not washing away your previous back to this is an extension of your just right we're baptizing you know into that new truth that you've learned and it's just progressively building again comes back to the foundation right what is your foundation right foundations the Word of God And so this passage as simple as that is in women how many of are you sons who are you know is a lamp and it's 1 of those songs as 1 of those verses that we're almost so familiar with that we just kind of pass over it that's right there's some deep 0 knowledge even harmful and I like to look at the symbolism that's in the verse because you have a lamp What does a lamp do it drives away darkness right have you ever woken up at 5 o'clock in the morning 4 o'clock in the morning and you had to get to the restroom because you had too much water before you went to bed you've got to go to the restroom and you don't want to turn the light on because you don't want to wake yourself completely up and your toe finds that corner of the table or whatever it's you know that light would help get rid of that and then you wouldn't have a stubbed toe right and so I love the symbolism that your word is a lamp a lamp provides a light a light lets you see it made clarifies things but it says to my feet and a light to my path it's talking about walking it's talking about journeying God wants to help us journey and get there safely Amen amen he wants is the arrive at the final destination and that final destination is heaven and that's where he wants us and so the only way we can do that is by having our path our journey lit by God's word by the light and if that word is the fuel that is guiding our path it's moving us along then we have a guaranteed successful in your journey M M let's look at this this is a quote from the great controversy and I for 1 am very thankful for the gift of the Spirit of Prophecy in the writings that we find in. Ministry of Ellen White and if this is this is the introduction that's why you see Page 6 there the VI The Roman numerals that shows us that it's in the introduction part of the great controversy but she says the Bible with its God given truths but does that match up with 2nd Timothy 3 amen the God breathed God inspired with its God given truth expressed in the language of Man presents a union of the divine and the human so God uses human vessels in order to well he's working in concert with us that's right it's a beautiful thing God wants to relate to us praise the Lord for that and he says such a year she says rather such a Union existed in the nature of Christ who was the Son of God in the Son of Man Thus it is true of the Bible as it was of Christ that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and she's quoting John 114 so I want to just wrap up this section before we start talking about you know what actually are hermeneutics we're going to transition to that but I love that we have inspired counsel telling us that God's word is trustworthy and she makes it so trustworthy that it's comparable to Christ coming in the flash men that's powerful That's pretty I mean that's a pretty high comparison yes it is to give it that type of comparison that type of association with Jesus was the word we're told in men and the beginning was the word the word was with God in the word what was John 11 and so let's transition just a little bit as in the last 15 minutes or so that we have of the seminar here and we're going to ask the question what are hermeneutics You know Pastor Corey I think you would agree with me that much of the disagreements are many of the disagreements that we see among Adventists today about various topics it comes down to this topic of hermeneutics right and it comes down to a question 1st of all maybe we should define what Herman they want sale so let's do that so what are we talking about when we refer to Herman new tax and. And you can look up your own definitions but basically this is what we're talking about it's the method or methods 1 employees in the study of Bible passages no hermeneutics is sometimes used to refer to other literary you know types of writings but it's mainly a word that refers to Scriptural teaching and so her hermeneutics is this new methods so really when we use the big word hermeneutics we're really talking about what your method of how do you study the Bible that exactly how do you consider the Word of God That's exactly right and so I want to say this to you I believe this is true the same hermeneutic must be used to prove all doctrines or else we go back to what we were saying before you can have 1 opinion over here and 1 opinion over here and 1 opinion over here and you can never build anything that way well but what's even worse this denomination which was formed $1963.00 Battle Creek this to nomination was kind of a culmination of the Protestant Reformation Yes it was right and so you had this particular Protestant group that believed this another 1 brought this to the table these various truths were rediscovered after the Dark Ages and towards the end there but then the 7th Day Adventist Church comes along too they start studying right people after the right disappointment they're like God is coming soon Christ is coming soon but the sanctuary is not this earth so they had that messed up but they kept studying right but they had to have a method of Bible study that was consistent because if somebody came and said whoa hey you guys are keeping the Sabbath and I believe it was a lady by the name of Rachael Oaks who went to Pastor Frederick Wheeler he had been preaching on the 10 Commandments and and she said that you preach in the 10 Commandments when you break 1 every week Absolutely she did so she called him out on it so I want to put the statement on the screen if we use 1 hermeneutic to prove 1 doctrine and a different 1 a different hermeneutic to prove another doctrine there will never be a definitive method to settle. Or to understand potential new light that may come along that's right so if they didn't have a decided way to study the Bible and then Rachel Oakes says hey have you guys considered the Sabbath Well then how do you determine whether or not the Sabbath is something you should embrace That's right what about clean and clean me it's all of these things you know the same short all of it we have to find 1 hermeneutic to decide how we're going to study the Bible and so where should we get that hermeneutic I think has to be the next question. How about this 1 does the Bible give us a hermeneutic is that a fair question that is a fair question and I am happy to say that I believe definitively that the Bible gives us a hermeneutic now we could get all kinds of scholarly books you know produced from Andrews University Press or other places right and get all of these opinions but since if you want something very simple all you gotta look to that it was the scripture the best thing about the Bible is it will it presents questions and then it answers questions and the best thing of all is that the Bible is its own manual and it tells us how we ought to use it amen and where is that found in Isaiah is there $28.00 in verse 10 no friends are going to notice something here you're going to notice some repetition for precept must be upon precept precept upon precept line upon line line upon line here a little there a little know what you're actually seeing is the employment of a Jewish literary device when you look at the you know the way he hit the Hebrew is written there's no punctuation there there's no exclamation mark so the way the Jews would emphasize something the way they would try to drive their point home is to repeat it so when we see this being repeated we know Hey this is important pay attention so the repetition is sort of like their exclamation mark that's kind of what it's been said that's exactly right so let's break this down what do we see here a precept is what it's an idea idea right it's a concept line upon line we're obviously talking about the scriptures right we're talking about this verse of Scripture that verse of Scripture here a little there a little means that I probably should look in 1 location you have to be looking at this location that location the Bible is a pretty big book of several books and so if I go to 1 text and I want to build a complete and total theological foundation off of 1 verse I'm going to miss a whole lot there's potential to at least and so it's so important and again it shows us the beauty. And we followed this particular hermeneutic of Bible study when we build idea upon idea and line upon line throughout Scripture we see then the beauty of how God's word ties together over that 1500 year timeline and over all of those different authors on those different continents and through those different cultures and whatnot we can see that building and I believe that's why God wants us to study it this way because again it strengthens our foundation and it builds our faith in our trust in the Word of God when we can read in Daniel and find the whole story and information and prophecy and then go to Revelation and find the same information that was written so how it matches up so beautiful how it just flows together let's consider this a biblical hermeneutic emerges from Isaiah $28.00 in verse in and what we've done thing is we've put on this we're going to put on the screen for you 3 basic areas 3 basic ideas that emerge from this particular verse of scripture 1st of all we're being called to study as mature Christians like the preceding verse 28 in verse 9 actually asked the question whom will he teach knowledge and whom will he make to understand the message and then it asked the question about to do 2 groups of people will it be those that are freshly weaned will it be those that have just left the breast in other words is it going to be is this going to be something that's understood by those that are child's children in the foot not Child's in the face of the children in the faith or is this going to be understood by those who are mature Christians that's right and I believe that we're being called to study as mature Christians we can't just skim over and take the superficial you know approach barely scratching the surface and that's the danger I hear people tell me all the time allowed to read to my Bible every year. Praise the lord amen talk to me about how often you stopped and studied it that's right it's great to read through the Bible and have that overarching familiarity with the various sections the general themes of the scripture but if we're not taking time to dig in if we're not looking for that pearl of great price that you know that might be buried somewhere in the text string we're really not gleaning everything that Christ would have us to glean from with that because you'll notice and I'm sure those that are here today with this can agree to this a test of this as as you study that we as you dig in and look at the passages as you go verse by verse and consider and then compare them to other verses like if I'm studying on the Sabbath for instance or if I'm standing on the Trinity and I look at 1 area where it talks about God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit It's nice to go other places and see it in as I do that and as I start studying my scripture that way I learn new things even if I've studied that same passage 20 other times and each time I go to it I something the Lord just bring something else out of well in the wind that leads me to the next point. This method of Bible study God's hermeneutic demands intellectual integrity and I cannot sit back with with with with intellectual integrity and come in with my preconceived notions my bias I can't come in and be trying to read the Bible and have my ideas that I'm trying to read into the Bible that's right no we could take the time to share a couple of these fancy terms right when you're allowing the scripture to speak to you the Bible refers to that as biblical XA Jesus XA Jesus XO meaning to come out of there and when I say in the name Jesus were saying Jesus G.-E. S.I.D.S. That's right but if I come to the Scriptures and I'm trying to read into the Bible we have ice of Jesus Christ I'm trying to put my ideas into it that has that's not been intellectually honest that's not maintaining intellectual integrity and that happens so often and that's why we have so many differing ideas and opinions about what God's word says because you have people who will say well you know I grew up and grandma said this and Mom said this and grandpa told me that and the preacher said this and so that's what I believe and I'm going to go find something in the Bible that will somewhat agree to and give me some fodder for that I remember when I was in high school I had a school bus driver and back in those days I was just I was a brand new Christian I'd only been in the church a couple of years and I was really excited about being a new Christian I want to share with everybody I thought Who wouldn't want to know about the Sabbath right so I was trying to tell my school bus driver and she was obvious of a different opinion and we were talking about the state of the dead and I showed her a few texts and she read the text out loud to me and she said I see what it says but I still believe with all my heart that my loved ones are in heaven because she was just determined that that's what it was going to be and I don't care what you just show me from scripture that's what I believe so we would have to ask the question is that intellectual integrity I don't think so because if I show you if I show you proof that the sky is blue and you tell me that it's purple. Then that's not being very I mean that's not good integrity is not a good way to think right and so if somebody is showing you that again it goes back to as the Holy Spirit reveals to you from scripture God wants us to take hold of that and say you know Lord I'm willing to sacrifice anything to false look at there's a 3rd 3rd point here context really is king and if somebody is king They're the highest right so really what this is saying I believe this biblical hermeneutic is say in that context has to be kind of the ruling authority in the fact that we are all called to look line upon line mandates that we consider the 3 fold context that's right so let's let's jump into let's talk about in our last few minutes here what is the 3 fold context Well number 1 there's a literary context the Bible while it is an inspired book it is and it's inspired writings of God It is also a literary work and so each verse right must be considered within the passage that passage is perhaps within the chapter that chapters perhaps within a book and then that book is going to be found within the canon or the total of Scripture because what we have to remember folks is that the Bible was not written in verses and chapters etc It was written in Paul's writings for instance those are letters many of those are just letters that were written and we have gone through our translators have gone through and made chapters and verses and I'm thankful for that because it sure makes studying the Bible easy Amen I mean that is a lot easier than saying go to paragraph 16 and you just you're counting through that yeah it's very nice to have those numbers but that's why we have to remember that these things are not modular and individual we have to put them all together in part of a larger body and it's a continuation of thought it's a continuation of thought and we want to remember that within that literary contact him and secondly we've got to consider the historical count and we've talked about this we touched on this back when we were talking about the external evidence and the vacuum that. I wonder wonder if that vacuum is going to show up there is the Bible was not written within a vacuum the events and prophecies of the Bible unfold and have unfold within the stream of time within the within the flow of history that's how the Bible has happened you know there's a there's a view of how God works called The ism and there are a lot of our founding fathers were deists and William Miller I believe was initially started of an idea stick view India's I'm not to get too deep but basically the basic premises God created us retired kind of set us apart you know that had no interaction since Right so these these miraculous interactions or these the awful appearances of God and none of that stuff really real they would say but we understand the Bible Doug did take place within the stream of time it wasn't within a vacuum it actually happened around regular people and God was active the whole way through him and the 3rd part of context as we're closing up here is cultural context we must ask how the people living during the time of writing would have received these things and I want to be very careful with this 1 yes some people will hear you mention all when you study the Bible you're saying that we have to consider the culture so these writings must just have been cultural writings no we're not saying that the culture determines the Bible principle that's right we're just saying in this Bible principle would have been viewed a certain way from a particular cult and I'm so glad you clarified that pastoral because it's especially in our society today it's amazing to me how 150 years ago and beyond going backwards people had a certain way of just kind of approaching things in the last 150 years we've had the industrial revolution we've had technology we've had all these things and now all the sudden we know so much more than anybody else ever did in this this particular generation and now we say well you know what we have to understand that times have changed and culture has changed so we go to the Bible we have. To fit the Bible into that culture and that change in time but my Bible tells me he rues Chapter 13 that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever he does not change the times might change in the culture might change but the Bible is still just as relevant now the way that we might try to when we preach the word or when we study the word related to people we might use different types of illustrations or symbols to try to help people understand I'm not going to say to say to somebody well the other day I was riding on my scroll Yeah because the other day I was typing an email that's right so there's ways to do that but the principle and the foundation of the scripture is exactly the same as the day that it was originally given and that's the part that we have to make sure when we say cultural context we are trying to understand why the Bible writers relayed the messages in the manner that they did not given the principles if they did well there's a reason that Jesus uses so many agricultural that's for examples and parables because it was a largely agrarian society that's right people did farming for a living and so they could relate to that or you know I'll make you fishers of men right they were fishermen so Jesus used that but the principle there is the fact that Jesus was saying to them I'm going to help you become good soul winners in him and he would have used different language had he told us that today let's wrap up with this we're out of time so we're going to close with this for manuscript released number 39000 written in 100004 so this was of course in the later years of Ellen White's ministry and I just find this to be a very powerful quote We must be careful lest we misinterpret the Scriptures. The plain teachings of the Word of God are not to be so spiritualized that the reality is lost sight of do not overstrain the meaning of sentences in the Bible in an effort to bring forth something odd in order to please the fancy and I love this part is my favorite part take the Scriptures what as they read so we get sometimes we get so bogged down in well let's nuance it this way let's twist it that way let's look further in this direction and we miss the plane thus saith the Lord yes and so friends we want you to understand as we consider later on the week tomorrow and following as we try to answer some tough questions about the God and we want to do it by taking the Scriptures as they read a man close with a word of prayer which is Father God we thank you for this opportunity today to just look at the village in the and the authority in the weight of the scriptures because they indeed are your words we have the evidence as we have the history and of course we have what you yourself said about your word and what Jesus prayed about your word and so Lord let us take that seriously over the next 4 days we're going to dig deeper into the meat of the subject about the Godhead and there's so little as human beings that we know other than what you have given us in Scripture so Lord help us to allow the Bible to reign supreme over the rest of this week or to rebuke the enemy and all of his angels we don't want them here we just want to be able to abide with you in this endeavor and that each person that might hear or watch these things later Lord that there would be a great lesson in that would come as a result of what you revealed to us through your word we pray these things just now in the Jesus name Amen and in. 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