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Veils ... Because of Angels

Clinton Wahlen

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Clinton Wahlen

Associate Director of the Biblical Research Institute (BRI) at the General Conference of SeventhdayAdventists

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  • June 20, 2017
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Well last time we looked at Paul's description of church organization and 1st Timothy and we noticed how it is based on the rules for the Christian home that he gives in several places including fusions chapter 5 and 6 as well as reaching back to the early chapters of Genesis Chapters 2 and 3 and the man woman relationship both before the fall and after the fall. Well today we're going to look at 1st Corinthians 11 and 14 in which Paul tries to correct as he does in a lot of 1st Corinthians inappropriate conduct by men and women in the church and especially during the worship service so we're going to begin with the obvious question Does Paul really teach that woman women should wear veils and remain silent in church what does he mean that this is because of the angels 1st Corinthians 11 verse 10 What does that have to do with it now as we have seen scholars of the Bible have frequently used the gender lands when reading Paul's writings in their minds 1st Corinthians 11 and 14 are prime examples of where we need gender lands in order to understand because clearly this is not related to us today. So if we put on the gender lens for 1st Corinthians 11. We would understand that Paul's reasoning is colored by a patriarchal culture that was oppressive to women and simply doesn't apply to us today they argue that those who advocate a plain reading of the text are inconsistent. Since they say pollen sis that women wear veils at least when praying and proper science why don't advocates of the plain reading of the text insist on women wearing veils today and when we come to 1st Corinthians 14 the gender lens says we need to again move beyond Paul's patriarchal based arguments and they hold this passage up to as an example of inconsistency on the part of those who would suggest we should maintain a plain reading of the text they say to be consistent plain reading advocates should insist that women keep silent in church because they're subordinate to men and that if they have any questions at all about what the men in church are teaching they should ask their Houseman's privately at home and then they accept whatever they say is that really what these chapters are teaching are they inconsistent with each other what can we learn from a plain reading of the text it's not that difficult really to understand as will see 1st Corinthians 11 has been widely misunderstood because not only has it been read sometimes through a gender lands it has also been often read even more often through a cultural lens assuming that this is all cultural and it doesn't apply to us today even by some who would reject a gender lens reading a plain reading of the text on the other hand allow scripture to interpret Scripture and it shows that the guidelines Paul gives here in 1st Corinthians 11 and Chapter 14 apply across cultures and times and are still relevant for us today and you might wonder how can that be well just hang on for a minute we'll see but as we said before you understand any text in the Bible what do we need to see 1st. We need to see the larger picture right the the big picture what what Paul is doing here then in 1st Corinthians and if we look at the larger picture we understand purpose turn with me to 1st Corinthians Chapter 1 Verse 10 it's interesting as in 1st Timothy also in 1st Corinthians he gives right up front the purpose for writing 1st Corinthians Chapter 1 Verse 10 are you with me If so say amen All right good verse to now I plead with you brother and by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you what all speak the same thing and that there be what no divisions among you but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment OK So the purpose clearly that Paul has for writing for screen thins is to unify the church there were factions divisions and points he goes on to detail those in this chapter and Paul is writing not only to teach the truth but to correct church members and leaders in the local church who are causing division and he corrects those problems by answering their questions and giving them further instruction unlike the pastor of pistols of 1st and 2nd Temple and Titus which were written as they suggest in the name pastoral epistle suggest to you know pastors who had a wide. Range of work in lots of different areas and applied widely to many different churches 1st Corinthians was written specifically to a local church the church of Corinth and. The many of the things that Paul addresses seem to be unique to this church. We need to keep that in mind it was written to address these specific issues and questions Paul answers question after question you know that they have raised to him as we go through 1st Corinthians Now the 1st verse of Chapter 11 is actually very important verse in this context 1st Corinthians 11 verse 1 it kind of encapsulates what Paul has said already and it prepares for what he is about to say in Chapter 11 and it in and say it's a very important principle he says imitate me just as I also imitate Christ and I don't know how many of us would feel comfortable saying that but Paul was exemplary in his following of Christ and he urged others to follow his good example so verse 1 shows that Christ is the had and we as believers are to follow him and to imitate him and then others will be able to follow our example of course this is especially important for those who are leading out in worship which is what Paul addresses here in 1st Corinthians 11 those who are praying and prophesied in worship and so he is dealing especially with conduct of of leaders in the church those who are leading out in worship which suggests that there is no ban on women leading out in church worship in praying and prop a sign that they had a part to play verse 2 indicates that doctrinally in terms of the traditions or teachings that Paul delivered to them the true Krinn things were basically OK we see this also from the 2 A pistol's he wrote 1st Corinthians and 2nd because primarily it were that they were the practical questions. They're being raised how do we actually put into practice these doctrines or these teachings and that's seems to be the source of most of their problems now the church has a clear principle of church leadership according to Paul notice what he says in verse 3 but I want you to know that they have every man is Christ the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God I like how in these 3 spheres that he describes he begins with Christ and he ends with Christ and the man woman relation is sandwiched in the middle that's. What is sometimes called the casting organization where it's a mirror of the 1st and the last marriage other and the 1 in the middle then is the 1 that's really key very important that of course is the man woman relationship that he begins to discuss here in the 1st 16 verses of this chapter now unfortunately there is in recent years especially if some modern confusion about what Paul means when he talks about head the word head now it's a very common word actually throughout the Bible it often refers as you might guess to simply what is on attached to my neck OK the head of a person very literally. But this is a metaphorical use it's a symbolic use here in this verse and so the question is What does it mean when it's used symbolically and some would say. Actually the conventional. Reading that has been pretty standard through church history including admins history is that it refers to authority that the head is a represents the authority of. The person or the kingdom or. The church and then so if we look at. Other others who suggest another meaning they suggest well know here in this verse it actually means source source now it's not easy to find passages in the Bible where head means source there's 1 or 2 that it could mean that but basically if we look at a few verses I think it'll be very clear So let's look at. A few of these verses here in 1st Corinthians 11 Normally my wife helps me a lot she is not here this morning at least in the beginning and so I'm skipping through some of the slides. Some question as I said whether it means had as authority but they suggest source So let's look at a few of them Genesis 315 already going back to the chapter we looked at in Genesis 3 I will put enmity between you and the woman between your seat and her seat What is that enmity mean what does it mean so there's a conflict opposition right so there's a struggle going on conflict anger enmity struggle so between your seat and her seat he shall bruise your had unusual Bruce's heel is speaking to the serpent so there's no one's going to be they had the other is going to be the heel going to be crushed it's a struggle over authority struggle for power who would be the head who would who would crush the other that's the actually the issue here so had means. In an extended sense authority power. And of course existence ultimately. XS 29 verse 6 you shall put the turban on his head speaking of the high priest put the holy crown on the turban so why do does the High Priest wear the special turban and crown it represents what the High Priests authority OK symbolizes authority. Because 1621 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat confess over and all the iniquities of the children of Israel and all their transgressions concerning all their sins putting them on the head of the goat and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a settlement man so the High Priest confesses the sins on the head of the scapegoat representing symbolizing Satan in order to really represent that he Satan bears responsibility for sin ultimate responsibility OK So authority responsibility this is symbolized by the head Deuteronomy 28 verse 13 and the Lord will make you the had and not what the tail you shall be above only and not be beneath if you heed the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you today and are careful to observe them so clear isn't it that head means 1st and chief and it's used here in contrast to being last some 18 verse 43 you have delivered me from the strivings of the people you have made me the head of the nations a people I have not known shall serve me again here head over the nations who would serve David as king of Israel power authority. Responsibility all of these verses underscore that meaning for had noticed this passage in Matthew 21 verse 42 Of course he was quoting from Isaiah Jesus said to them Have you never read in the scriptures of the stone which the builders rejected has become the. Chief Cornerstone literally head of the corner the chief head here means Chief Cornerstone this was the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes Matthew 21 verse 42 acts 18 verse 16 but when they opposed him and blasphemy he shook his garments and said to them your blood be upon your own heads I am clean from now on I will go to the Gentiles so here Paul speaking refers to the guilt and responsibility of rejecting the Gospel and the guilt of sin and crucify Him Jesus would rest on them and so it would be on their heads blood on their heads meaning means being held responsible let's look at fusions 122 and he that is God has put all things under his feet Christ speak and gave him to be the had over all things to the church what does it mean that Christ is the head of the church now some would say well it means he's the source of the church he created the church he founded the church but if you look at the context in the fish and fusions $523.00 it's the same meaning as we've seen all the way through the Bible for the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church and he is the savior of the body in what way would the husband be the source of the wife doesn't make sense does it. Husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church clearly it's the same meaning of responsibility authority. That is meant here the husband is the sortie in the home as Christ is the chief authority in the church and just in case there's any doubt let's look at collage since 2 verse 10 you are complete in Him speaking of Jesus who is the head of what all principality and power clearly referring to him as ruling over them he is in charge he is the authority over all the Prince polities and powers now I should indicate that this not only has significance for the topic that we're looking at here whether we translate head in the sense of source or authority but it also affects our view of prophecy think about the prophecy of Daniel 7 and this dreadful beast that had 7 heads and 10 horns actually Revelation 137 has 10 horns the dreadful beast had 10 horns on this head. But Revelation 13 points back to these beasts of Daniel 7 and throughout history. I'm want to go to Revelation Chapter 12 which is the beginning of Revelation 13 another sign appeared in heaven behold the great fiery red dragon having 7 heads and 10 horns and 7 diagrams on his has of course it goes on to say that he stood over the woman clothed with the sun on her head a crown of 12 stars again had there representing power and authority in terms of the woman and the leadership that it refers to. But here this dragon is opposing her wants to devour the child as soon as it is born referring of course to Jesus who is successfully caught up to God and to his throne the dragon of course a Revelation 12 describes as that old serpent of the devil and Satan but in this case he's working through as he did in the serpent in the Garden of Eden he works through earthly creatures earthly powers and so in Revelation 12 this represents. Pagan Rome because what happened as soon as Jesus was born who wanted to destroy him who was it Herod who was king of over Israel he was appointed by Rome as king over that terror over the territory of Israel and so the Roman Empire in the person of Herod tried to destroy Jesus course Satan is the power working behind him in this case then the 7 heads representing the kingdoms 4 kings of Daniel 7 that we see. As well as we could name them. Pagan Rome and then Papal Rome which Revelation 13 introduces and United States figures in prominently. With the union final union with Babylon and Revelation 17 so these heads represents kingdoms that of of the earth that is used by satan to accomplish His purposes. And the 7 heads then represent kingdoms as it has also says in Revelation 17 and 7 diadems on the heads represent the power or authority that they exercise so many crowns as on the head as a symbol of authority that's significant for especially 1st Corinthians 11 because in 1st Corinthians 11 the issue is 1 of authority it's mentioned actually in verse 10 that the woman has authority on her head we'll talk about that in a moment but coming back to 1st Corinthians 11 and verse 3 let's read it again I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ the head of the woman is man and the head of Christ is God since Paul is speaking of authority here when he refers to had not just anywhere but in the church we could paraphrase this verse the following way the authority the head the Doherty of every believing man is Christ the authority of the believing woman is the believing man and the authority of Christ is God It might seem surprising to some but actually when Paul talks about head coverings in this chapter it it's not actually a noun that refers that we could translate veil it's and it's not translated veil and there's another word clue mma which is used in 2nd grade at the ends chapter 3 where Moses puts a veil over his face that's the word for veil but that's not used anywhere in this chapter it doesn't occur and so when Paul talks about men and women praying and prophesies. We should not think that he is trying to distinguish them by 1 wearing a veil and 1 not wearing a veil as if the women should wear veils and the men should not there is no indication that the covering Paul refers to means anything like a veil or physical covering that someone puts on their head rather the word here in Greek is Kalu though notice verses 5 and 6 let's read it together verses 5 and 6 but every woman who prays or prophesies with her head on cover dishonors her head for that is 1 and the same as if her had were what shaved for if a woman is not covered let her also be shorn but if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shave let her be covered so what is the covering connected with here the woman's hair clearly it's connected with the woman's hair and if we look at verses $14.15 notice what Paul says does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has what long hair it is a dishonor to him but if a woman has long hair it is a glory to her for what her hair is given to her for what a covering a covering So Paul the actually defines in this chapter the covering he's talking about he's not talking about veils he's talking about hair care now in verse 10 Paul says For this reason and we'll talk about the previous verses in a moment but I want to make this point for this reason. The woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head because the Angels now the word symbol in my bible is a tele sized because it is not in the Greek text literally it means for this reason the woman ought to have authority on her had authority on her head in Palos is referring to her hair being her authority or her glory as verse 15 refers to it her glory now what is this referring to because of the angels What does that mean now maybe you have heard some people say Paul really doesn't know what he's talking about how can an angels be connected with this at all well the same word caught to collude for covering is used in Isaiah the Septuagint of Isaiah Chapter 6 you remember that Isaiah was caught up in vision and he saw the throne of God and Sarah fem each 1 had 6 wings verse 2 with 2 he covered his face with 2 he covered his feet and with 2 he flew so Paul is referring back to the covering of the angels in the presence of God in worship they go on to cry out to 1 another holy holy holy is the LORD of hosts the whole earth is filled with His glory and the angels then are demonstrating the appropriate added to it of reverence in God's presence in his in worship in his presence. And so they model for women the appropriate modesty that should be had in God's presence in worship and Isaiah serves as a model for the men you will remember that he said whoa is me I am undone I am a man of unclean lips dwell in the midst of the people of unclean he also was was extremely overcome by his own sinfulness and in God's presence humbled himself so in different ways humility in this passage is modeled. By what he says and the angels by what they do in covering their feet and covering their face so in. First Corinthians Chapter 11 Paul says that men and women in worship have appropriate way of expressing modesty and humility angels model reverence for worship for women and Isaiah serves as a model for the men now what does Paul base this on if we go back a few verses earlier because verse 10 says For this reason well what are those reasons that's very important notice that there is never any cultural reason that Paul gives in these chapter in this chapter for what he says they're always biblical reasons that's very important but notice verses 7 to 9 that he goes back again as we saw in 1st Timothy 2 he goes back to creation notice what verse is 79 say for a man indeed ought not to cover his head since he is the image and glory of God but woman is the glory of man. For man is not from woman but woman from man nor was man created for the woman but woman for the man what chapter of Genesis is Paul referring to chapter Chapter 2 Thank you I want a little more certainty there Chapter 2 because the woman was made from the man taken a rib was taken from the man and made into a woman and she was made as a helper for him and corresponding to him as we saw and when we looked at Genesis on Tuesday so Paul. This. Important reason the way God made man and woman in the beginning was this before or after the fall before the fall of course and so the principle is 1 that applies whether we're living in a sinful condition or not the principle still applies and it's based actually on the way God made man in the beginning of male and female and we see this in Deuteronomy Chapter 22 Deuteronomy 22 verse 5 notice what it says a woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man nor shall a man put on the woman's garment for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God This verse actually was quoted just recently in that statement that the general conference voted on transgenderism this spring in April of this year at the spring meeting and you can understand why it might refer to this verse and also why transgenderism is a problem. Because you races the distinction of gender that God made clear in Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 that he made them from the beginning in his image made human beings in their His image male and female male and female so now I should probably add that the statement is very carefully written in case you haven't read it it is available on the Adventist dot org website if you search on transgender you will find that statement I think very quickly on admin a start or a G.. But it also makes clear that God loves everyone so this is not a condemnation of any individual. We all are born into a sinful world we all are born with sinful tendencies that need to be overcome and so. Whether it's heterosexual dependency or homo sexual tendency or transgender tendency or a bisexual Tennessee L G B T whatever the tense you might be or heterosexual as I mention these. Need to be in accordance with God's Word it doesn't mean that we should simply. Exercise our our feet rest on our feelings God's word is our standard of what is right and what is wrong and so. Through creation has established a specific order that we need to pay attention to especially in the church and especially in worship and so Paul in 1st Corinthians Chapter $11.00 begins to unpack how that can be expressed clearly. We don't know exactly the problem and in Corinth that was trying to be corrected but what is clear in this case is that there was a race scene of the distinctions between men and women and Paul wants those to remain in place in especially in worship and those who lead out in prayer and prophesies Let's come to verses 11 and 12 now. I'll read verse 10 so we pick up the context for this reason a woman ought to have authority on her head because of the angels Nevertheless neither is man independent of woman nor woman independent of man in the Lord for as the woman as woman came from man even so man also comes through woman but all things are from God noticed that as we saw in a fusions chapter 5 Paul balances this instruction he has within the larger picture of church and family order an organisation a system of mutual. Respect and submission to authority so the authority is not to be abused so men in the church should remember that they. Their origin was from God and through through birth through childbirth and so it's a reminder that this authority that God has given them is not to be abused Paul then. In verse 14. Refers to nature does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a dishonor to him but if a woman has long hair it is a glory to her for her hair is given to her for a covering So notice the basis for Paul's argument Scripture how God made man in the beginning in Genesis chapter 2 that we are made in His image Genesis chapter 1 and also the way nature works because we all come through childbirth into the world and these distinctions are to be preserved and nature teaches us that and then finally he concludes If anyone seems to be contentious We have no such custom nor do the churches of God So there is a clear indication here that this indeed this situation in Corinth was not like the other churches that Paul is giving what is amounts to a corrective church code we have a more general picture of what that is to be in 1st tempi chapter 2 and 3 and later chapters 5 and 6 as well as Titus chapter 1 and other places but we have in Corinthians 1st Corinthians Chapter 11 a corrective church code the other churches do not have this aberration and he is encouraging them not to be contentious not to have different customs than the rest of the of the churches now we now to come to 1st Corinthians Chapter 14 Paul lays down another corrective church code this set of rules deals with disruptive speech in the church. And if we look at the 1st few verses it becomes clear that Paul exalts the gift of prophecy above speaking in tongues because he says in verses 4 and 5 unless it's translated the language speaking in a language foreign language doesn't edify anyone notice what he says in 1st Corinthians 14 verse 3 he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men and of course we could say more broadly this rule applies not just to prophetic speech but to any speaking we might do for the Lord including preaching and Prain it should edify the whole church provide comfort and encouragement and edification most of this chapter up to verse 26 deals with the speaking in tongues circumstance that was getting out of hand and how and we know there was rivalry in in Corinth because as we saw in chapter 1 there were various factions in the church that were competing with each other and so it seems as though they were even using spiritual gifts as a way of competing with each other and vying for authority and prominence just the opposite of what the gifts were intended for and so Paul lays down a series of rules for maintaining order in the worship service in exercising spiritual gifts and while many people have focused on verses 33 to 35 that refer to women and their speaking in church and Paul telling them to be silent it's important to recognize the larger. Context in this chapter that there are actually 3 groups that Paul addresses and tells them to keep silent because they were disrupting the worship service and the word here for silent to keep silent is different than the 1 in 1st Corinthians chapter 2 that we saw. When we looked at that passage yesterday that word. Means do remember what that means. It means to be peaceful the adjectives used in 1st Timothy 2 Verse 2 to be peaceful to be to be in harmony and that's the that's the emphasis in 1st chapter typically 2 that the men and women are to carry forth the service in harmony with each other there not to the women or not to usurp authority that has been established in the church but this. This word in 1st Corinthians 14 for silence is a much stronger word Seagal and it means really to stop talking stop talking be totally silent and it's important to recognize that there are 3 groups that are disrupting the worship service and 3 groups that Paul says to stop talking to be silent and that these disruptions were caused by men as well as women now if we would understand Paul's prohibition for all women to keep silent What about the men shouldn't we be fair and say All men should keep silent also but that would be a very quiet worship service if we all went in and we just sat there in silence I'm not sure too many of us would stay very long so let's look at these 3 groups very quickly. In verse 28 the disruption is speaking in a tongue or a foreign language without an interpreter who can explain what it means and Paul gives a very clear explanation or rule for maintaining order in the worship service he says in verse $27.00 notice if any 1 speaks in tongues let there be 2 or at the most 3 each in turn and let 1 interpret OK So only 2 or 3 are to speak and each is to speak in turn there not to speak all at once and there must be interpretations so that people can understand the message that disruption number 1 group number 1 group number 2 prophets were not waiting until the 1st prophet was finished speaking they would start already and even then erupt the previous speaker and Paul's rule given in verse 31 says For you can all prophesies 1 by 1 that all may learn and all may be encouraged So again 1 by 1 let each in turn speak of this is not so difficult to understand so now let's come to the controversy part in verse $33.00 for God is not the author of confusion but of peace as in all the churches of the saints let your women keep silence in the churches but that for they are not permitted to speak but there to be submissive as the law also says and if they want to learn something let them ask their own husbands at home for it is shameful for women to speak in church the word their. Asking questions up to sun means 2 can keep asking questions persist be persistent in asking and persistent in speaking both of these these words used here on asking and speaking refer to continuing to do so and so it seems that the women were behaving in a way similar to the men who were speaking out of turn or interrupting each other and not waiting until the other was finished before they would begin or they were speaking in a way that could not be understood of course of people are speaking all at once that makes it difficult to understand and so Paul's rule is that they should be women who are causing disruptions should says let them be submissive by asking their own husbands at home by asking their own husbands at home now this is. This is clearly. Something that refers to all 3 groups these these rules he's not singling out any individual or any class of those in fact who are causing disruptions in the worship service he's not contradicting what he said in 1st Corinthians 11 verse 5 because there he said that the women. Should be covered who pray and prophesied so he's not forbidding all speaking in church or in the worship setting. And this rule in 1st Corinthians 14 should be understood as some pluming team that more comprehensive instruction that precedes it I notice that before we go much further here that in there are several other principles in 1st Corinthians 14 that Paul brings out that are helpful. For us to keep in mind verse 32 the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets so if someone has prophesied and if someone is is teaching and speaking God's Word it will be in harmony what what the prophets have said already in Scripture they will be in harmony God does not contradict himself he never changes so true prophets will be in harmony with the Word of God spoken through earlier prophets and it's not there what false prophets know what Paul adds in verse 37 if anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual or have a spiritual gift let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are what what the commandments of of Paul of the Lord that what Paul writes here are the commandments of the Lord it's not just his own instruction it's not just the word of Paul but the commandments of the Lord now are these instructions in 1st Corinthians 11 and 1st Corinthians 14 still the commandments of the Lord. Something to think about sometimes we limit the commands of God to the 10 Commandments and clearly there are more important because they were put inside the ark of the Covenant in the most holy place but Paul's instructions here also called commandments of the Lord and it's because it's based on what God says in Genesis and that's why verse 40 Paul underscores the main overarching principle of both these chapters Let all things be done decently and in order I want to conclude with a statement of and there are many such statements from advent of pioneers because Adventists because of Ellen White who can often spoken and preached in church they were accused of violating scripture in fact these texts that we've looked at in 1st simply chapter 2 and in 1st Corinthians Chapter 14 that women should be silent so how is it that we have women speaking in our church and even preaching from the pulpit How can that be and this was a question that was continually raised by. Opponents of some day adventists so many articles are published and this is just a representative 1 and there's I'm only going to list quote a very small part of the article it was published in the review in herald of 881. Actually June 14th 1881 page 372 carrying over to 373 notice what and J. Bowers wrote about this passage Paul is correcting wrongs and irregularities that existed in the Corinthian church there were times in which it was out of order for the men even to speak 1st Corinthians 142728 those are the verses we read already then there were occasions on which they were to keep silence in the church on which the man was to speak to him self and to God This was of course not general so in the case of the sisters both prohibitions had a special application only Again the main point Paul makes is let everything be done decently in order he has to say that because they were not being done in an orderly way there was an order as there should have been in the Corinthian worship service and so this is a corrective church. Code of of rules for maintaining order so OK you might be thinking I I get what this chapter these chapters are talking about. But maybe we're not asking the right question sometimes we know clearly what the Bible says but if you think back on the very 1st presentation on Monday there are some passages that we just don't like we just don't like as yesterday my my wife mentioned about efficient 5 you know these were these these were parts of Scripture that took time. For us to work out what they meant for us and how to not not what they meant so much but how we should how we should obey them there was no question our mind that they're true the question is how do we actually put it into practice it's like 1 person said to me when I was passed green in Northern California No everything's all true where there's not anything I can point to and say No that's that's wrong in scripture or in the spirit of prophecy but it's not always easy to do it it's not always easy to do it the main the main question I suppose is am I willing to obey what God says Am I willing That's all God needs he is our willingness nothing more than that we show that we believe God's word as we surrender our will to hear us in obedience we also show others that we believe God's word as we surrender our will to his in obedience so I would just like to conclude with 2 questions for us to think about Question number 1 am I willing individually willing. To obey what God says. And number 2 are we willing. As a church. To obey God. This media was brought to you by audiophiles a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio version or you would like to listen to more sermon leave a visit W.W.W. dot audio Verse dot org.

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