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2. The Third Person of the Godhead

Norman McNulty

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Norman McNulty

Neurologist at Southern Tennessee Regional Health System, Lawrenceburg, TN

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  • December 30, 2018
    10:45 AM
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This message was presented at the G Y C to be used in Texas for other resources like this visit us online and she Y.C. Web. Good morning again. And we are going to star 2nd presentation of the series so invite you to buy your heads with me for prayer Father in heaven we thank you for being with us during our 1st presentation I pray that you will guide us as we go through our 2nd presentation on this very important topic of the 3rd Person of the Godhead I pray that the presentation will be clear and that we will have a clear understanding of who the Holy Spirit is so we think you we pray this in Jesus' name and. So this is the 2nd part of the series and the 1st he really kind of got together and we're going to shift us into some different areas starting tomorrow so we dealt with the everlasting sun in our 1st presentation we show that he is a God that when Jesus comes back we're going to say this is our God we have waited for him he will save us we see that he has existed through all eternity the statement was clear that God always has been that's connected to Hebrews 138 Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever we saw from desire of ages that in Christ is life original On Borrowed underwriting and we saw several statements that he is the preexistent self exists and some of the Son of God He does not require the existence of the father to exist himself and so because of that he is a God in the fullest sense and he is the God who came to save us. And we can place our full and complete trust in Him So what about the 3rd Person of the Godhead this is what we're going to look at now this is the Holy Spirit Now again I want to point out this book the Trinity What has God revealed some coupons at the end if you're interested and you can come up and get these for me it will be at the Audie Evers booth but if you want to do some further study on this topic that's an excellent resource now I'm going to go through in this next slide the current fundamental belief of the 70 AD in this church on the Holy Spirit and this is what the this belief says God the Eternal Spirit was active with the Father and the son in creation incur nation and reduction he is as much a person as are the father and the son he inspired the writers of Scripture he filled Christ's life with power he draws and convicts human beings and those who respond he renews and transforms them to the image of God sent by the Father and the son to be always with us children he extends spiritual gifts to the church empowers it to bear witness to Christ and in harmony with the Scriptures leads it into all truth and then you can see a variety of Bible verses that are used and you can find this in the fundamental beliefs book but these are some of the Bible verses that are used to support the statement that is on the screen. Now I'm going to share with you just in a bit of a summary some of the views out there on the Holy Spirit from anti Trinitarians and there is a again a bit of variation among Terence so they're not homogenously group of beliefs but there are some similarities and so at least some of them within these groups will believe the things that I'm mentioning here so they believe that the father in the Son are distinct beings while the Holy Spirit is not being they believe that the Holy Spirit is a force or a power or an influence but not a big itself that it's the Spirit of God coming from either God the Father or the son. So this is where things get a little bit confusing because of elements that means about 3 living persons of the heavenly trio which we're going to look at later so what they say is that there's 3 persons or personalities but only 2 beings Now that's a little bit hard to wrap your mind around. That's. The way they try to explain that statement so now some of them believe that the Holy Spirit is the spirit that exists between the father in the son they call their Holy Spirit others believe that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ who is limited in bodily form now they have a statement that we're going to look at. To support that viewpoint so again some think that the Spirit of God of the is their holy spirit that exists between the father in the Son others believe that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit form of Jesus Christ who is one of that embodied bodily form. They also believe that the current view in the 7th Day Adventist Church in the Holy Spirit and the Trinity is Roman Catholic and the book will they point out to Ellen why it warned of Dr John Harvey Kellogg teachings and the book Living temple contain the also heresies and that's very true she does say that and we definitely as a church believe that Dr Tiller's teachings in the book did contain the alpha of heresies. They believe that the current view in the the church on the Holy Spirit is the omega of apostasy and they urge a rich earned to the Pioneer view of the Godhead. So and again many of the pioneers believed in this viewpoint that they are promoting Now now some of what I'm going to share Next comes from this article on vindicate Khan written by an individual in one will say P. and written July 32017 so I'm summarizing some of his ideas from this article that was written was very helpful so just a bit of sister E. on the Trinity in the 7th Day Adventists movement now William Miller was a Baptist and he was the lead preacher in the 2nd Advent movement leading up until 844 and William Miller was very clearly a trinitarian as the Baptist Church is but the preaching of the soon return of Jesus and of the 2nd advent of Christ attracted not just Baptists but Christians of many different denominations and one of the the nominations that was very much interested in the preaching of the 2nd Advent was the Christian connection this formed a very prominent part of the Miller right movement and one of the key theological teachings in the Christian's connection was an anti Trinitarian understanding where they had the cemetery and view of Christ in this view that the Holy Spirit is an influence or a power but not a person and you had $100.00 Christian connection churches that joined the miller right movement so this anti Trinitarian philosophy became a significant part of the Miller right movement however the lead preacher himself William Miller was Trinitarian but because they were preaching the sin coming of Jesus they were a bunch of anti Trinitarian saying in order to be ready for the coming of Jesus you need to be anti Trinitarian you get the point the Christian connection joined the movement not be. As they supported anti Trinitarianism but because they supported the teaching of the soon coming of Jesus and so anti Trinitarianism wasn't at the forefront or prominent and what they were teaching Now if you asked them what they thought about teaching they would share that with you but their present truth was not anti Trinitarianism their present truth was the 2nd coming of Jesus and so they had that belief but that wasn't their present truth or present truth was the coming of Jesus now some of the key figures of the Christian connection that join the advent movement were Joshua Himes James White and Joseph Bates Joshua Himes never became a 7th Day Adventist he did seem to show some acceptance forward towards the very end of his life as he came to the Battle Creek sanitarium they he viewed the 7th Day Adventist Church as one of the splinter factions off of the mill right movement and never joined it but he was basically the general manager of the mill right movement for William Miller he helped to organize William Miller so that he could be a more effective preacher in New England as William Miller was just accepting preaching invitations to every small little church that out in the calm and Willie Miller said no it's time to go to the big cities and let's get you into the big churches and so Joshua Himes really was an effective agent for William Miller during that time and Joshua Himes was anti Trinitarian and William Miller was Trinitarian But again that wasn't a prominent part of their preaching during those years James White was also anti Trinitarian along with Joseph Bates and then I don't have all the other names up here but J. and left Perot was also you're right a Smith was as well as far as being anti Trinitarian So you know that's where some of this origin of anti Trinitarianism comes from it wasn't something that was discovered de novo. The way the Adding us put together the Sabbath in the same sherry in the state of the dead and the spirit of prophecy in the key doctrines this was something that came in from the Christian connection so this was not a coup or foundational pillar of the faith it just happened to be something that some of the pioneers believed during the early part of the 70 AD in this movement and career. Willing to stand to be corrected on this but if I understand correctly I think James White probably died in anti Trinitarian and 881 and all and why didn't start making clear statements on some of these ideas until the 890 S. and early 1900 because that wasn't really their present sure if their present truth was the Sabbath in the sanctuary in the 2nd coming they weren't making anti Trinitarianism a prominent testing truth. So now we're going to look at this idea of John Harvey Well log pave the way for pantheism and then the omega of apostasy this is quoting from a letter the A.G. Daniels wrote to Willie why on October 291903 and this is a G.-D. and he was describing the view of Dr John Harvey Kellog and this is a statement that man I and many anti Trinitarians used to prove that what hell logged. Was Trinitarianism ultimately and then it led to the alpha of apostasy which leads to the omega of apostasy since this is the statement. By Dr Tiller he then stated that his former views regarding the Trinity that the trinity is a false doctrine had stood in the way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement so in other words now that I'm trying to cherry and I can understand things more clearly this is what he's saying but that within a short time he had come to believe in the Trinity and could now see pretty clearly were all the difficulty was and believe that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily he told me that he now believe in God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Ghost and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost and not God the Father filled all space and every living thing he said that if he had believed this before writing the book he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression of the book now giving us a Daniel's quoting Dr kill log Now here's the interesting thing to consider he saying that the Holy Ghost fills all space and every living thing and I'm going to have an a direct statement from Dr Kellogg where he clarifies this even further. The idea is pantheism is that God isn't everything he's in you and he's also in the trees and he's in the grass He's in everything that has wife and Ellen White says this is the alpha of heresy this will be followed by the Omega. So the anti Trinitarian sees see this and they say See he believes in God the Father God the Son God the Holy Ghost Of therefore the book Living temple with its alpha heresies has Trinitarianism behind it that will lead to the omega of apostasy that's basically how they they get there but now I notice this next statement which ironically was written by Dr Kellogg himself 4 days earlier in a letter October 25 1903 compared to the letter that A.G. Daniel sent to Willie white this is a letter by Dr Phil AGA W W Prescott another early adding a spy and he or maybe a 2nd generation pioneer So those were Dr Phil Ochs is the difference is this when we say God is in the tree the word God is understood in that the Godhead is in the tree God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit where is the proper understanding in order that a wholesome conception should be preserved in our minds is that a nose where is the God the Father sits upon his throne in Heaven where God the Son is also now look at this. Well God's Wife or spirit or presence is the all pervading power which is carrying out the will of God in all the universe so in reality what Dr till August saying about the Holy Spirit is very similar to how anti Trinitarian is the scribe the power of the Holy Spirit so I'm going to now quote a former anti Trinitarian His name is Jola Ridgway who used to be anti Trinitarian now he believes in the biblical position the 7th Day Adventists believe and notice what he says about what to log so there is a kill log really did was just take what many of the pioneers believed to its logical conclusion if the Holy Spirit is the power of God and that power is in us and in creation then we have God in us and the trees have God in them the pioneers really had no ammunition against this teachings and many of them accepted it at 1st but Ellen White came up with the right ammunition she said that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person not of power or influence it's interesting when you look at the dates of Ellen White statements referring to the Holy Spirit as a person they appear at the same time that kill logs started preaching his false theories about the coincidence so here is the thing. Pan on theism that Dr Kellogg was teaching that God is a spirit where yes he is a spirit where he's in us that's true but what's. The difference between truth and their allies so closely together the only way you can separate it is through the Bible well but then to take that one step further yes God is a spirit and yes he can do well in us when we accept Him by faith but then he says No God is in the trees God is in the grass and the sentiments that were expressed in the book Ellen White says are the alpha of heresies and the Omega will follow so interesting Lee if you think about it in that way if you deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit and just say that the Holy Spirit is an all pervading power but not a person my belief is that the that viewpoint is closer to the alpha of heresies a scene in Dr Kellogg's book then and I certainly don't believe that the way it something I've missed the Describe the Holy Spirit as the 3rd person has anything to do with the omega of apostasy So they believe the Dr Hill or killers conversion to Trinitarianism is clear evidence that a belief in the trinity is the find by 70 AD in this is the omega of apostasy in reality. Their view of the Holy Spirit as a presence fits right in with the omega of apostasy and Dr Kellogg top these things in the alpha so I want to go now to show that not all the pioneers believe in anti Trinitarianism especially once L N Y It's started making statements so we're going to get to what the Bible says and what the Spirit of Prophecy says but I'm just showing you that when people say well I believe in the pioneer of you on the Godhead just realize that not all of the pioneers believe that but we're going to get to the sources of inspiration again the only source of inspiration among the pioneers is Ellen why but I'm just showing you that there was not harmony a harmonious homogenously view on the Trinity by all pioneers this is G.B. story written in the union conference record December 31 1906 says we fear that many have tried to receive the Holy Spirit as an emotion or an influence when according to his name and position given him by Jesus in introducing him to the disciples he should be received as a person so here you see a pioneer and in 1000 know 6 this is well Ellen Why is still alive. Saying that the Holy Spirit should be received as a person now here's another statement 1907 by R. a Underwood this is written in the review in The Herald which was the worldwide denominational paper still is. Under the name out of this review now but reviewing Harold Nov $211907.00 notice what he says a personal Holy Ghost in charge of the work of grace under God and Christ as the representative an appointed agent to accomplish the work of regeneration of man's soul body and spirit will be discounted and made to appear only as an influence so he's speaking against the anti Trinitarian view he's saying they say it's only an influence that he says when faith in the trio of the Godhead is this true OID and the one delegated with authority to resist and conquer man's father was rejected as not we are left to the cruel buffetings of Satan with no power to resist our adversary so that's a strong statement saying that when our faith in the trio of The God has the steroid we are left to the cruel buffetings of saving us the belief of our A Underwood written November 21 1007 this next statement as written by our hair in the union conference record July 1900 on I like that day July 19th my birthday so this is a good statement. The statement says from the confusing idea of One God in 3 gods and 3 gods and one God the unexplainable dictum of theology the enemy gladly leads to what appears to be a more rational don't know less erroneous idea that there is no Trinity and that Christ is merely a created being but God's great plan is clear and logical There is a Trinity and in it there are 3 personalities these divine persons are closely associated in the work of God. So. You know he's addressing idea that Christ is a created being and that the Holy Spirit is not a person now again after trying to turn and say oh we don't believe Christ is a created being we believe that he was to be gotten from the Buddhism of the Father but that's really kind of semantics and a son's So that's the idea that he's addressing Now this next statement is from a probably a more well known source to some of you Stephen housecoat he wrote the book The Cross and its shadow he also has an excellent chew part series on Daniel and Revelation that he wrote about and this is what he says about the Trinity the Holy Spirit is represented in the Bible as one of the Trinity of the Holy Spirit Christ so that it proceeds from the Father and He shall testify of me in many instances in the New Testament the Holy Spirit is spoken to by the use of the personal pronoun he and has from this we can would conclude that the Holy Spirit has a personality it is evident that the Holy Spirit is one of the Trinity and fully represents gotten by the way the Bible says grieve not the Spirit of God If the Holy Spirit of simply an influence or a power but not a personality you can't really grieve that but when you can grieve the Spirit of God It shows it does have a personality and a person who so just a kind of sunrise star Underwood here and a house cool statements all occur while Ellen why it was still alive and none were denounced as heresy. Furthermore and this is a part of history E.J. Wagner joined the kill log apostasy and favored the book Living temple Now the interesting thing about killing and if you I mean Ragnor and we saw this statement in our 1st presentation and by the way Ice believe with all my heart that the Lord Almighty says the Lord gave a most precious message to Dr Wagner in 880 I believe that but then he fell away and part of his falling away was his personal life where he went off with another woman and he also favored this book the living simple and so there was nothing wrong with it theologically now he was a semi Arion and not a trinitarian so his Godhead of use did not spare him from joining the off of apostasy you see the SO why people say if we want to not be part of the omega of apostasy we need to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person is an influence but not a person and that Christ has be gotten beginning from the eternity past and that will spare us from being part of the omega of apostasy Dr Wagner who believed those things joined in the alpha of apostasy with Dr Kellogg So just keep that in mind. So now let's go to the truth of the whole about the Holy Spirit let's see what the Bible says John Chapter 16 verse 13 says how be it when he the Spirit of truth is come he show guide you into all truth for he shall not speak of himself but what's there wherever he shall hear that shall he speak and he will show you things to come now here's where things become a bit challenging if you say that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in spirit form if the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in spirit form he's pointing us back to Christ but it says he shall not speak of themselves. So and then the the key point is that the Holy Spirit is going to guide us into all truth so just because some pioneers may have had a certain view about the Holy Spirit realize they brought that with them from the Christian connection and that does not then necessarily make it. A point of verifiable truth everything that all of the doctrines that came in from all of the other churches needed to be retested by the word of the Lord and then we had a prophet known as the testimony of Jesus the Spirit of Prophecy L N Y is the mouthpiece for further gives us clarifying understanding and so the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth I believe that a 7th Day Adventists we are not led into some truths I believe that we are led into all truth and I believe that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and the Holy Spirit will not speak of himself whatever he ever he shall hear that shall he speaking will show you things to come so Holy Spirit guides us into all truth now sadly this is. One of my friends who made this statement they are anti Trinitarian and they said they used to be Trinitarian other anti Trinitarian and they said if I am in error it is God who led me here but the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth if you're willing to admit that God could lead you into error that's a very problematic position it's fanaticism through and through it and you know I talked to one of my friends who's and ministry he said you know when you deal with fanaticism it's Khana like talking to a young person who's in love there's nothing you can say to convince them otherwise. And it's it's it's an emotional attachment to an idea that isn't true so let's go to what the Bible says about the whole is Renate's the statement in Acts Chapter 5 verses $3.00 and $4.00 but Peter said an anonymous why his seat and filled your heart to light of the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land so we know the story of an Ice and Fire They said that they were going to sell their piece of land and all of the money that they got from selling it they would give to God's work but then they kept part of it back but when they were asked they said no this is everything so they're lying and Peter says You lied to the Holy Ghost but then if you go on in the next verse was that remained was it not your own and after it was sold was it not in your own power why have you conceived this thing in your heart you have not lied on the man but under. God So here's the Holy Ghost God That's what the Bible says so and I us and Safira lied to the Holy Ghost they don't lie to men they lied to God because the Holy Ghost is God Now that's one Bible verse we could just sit down right now and be done but I'm going to give you more. More evidence of Peter unquestionably equal it's the Holy Ghost to God Now as far as. The time and eternity of the Holy Spirit us where he was in 914 says how much more shall the blood of Christ who through the eternal spirit offered himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve to serve the living God Here's what we are 7th Day Adventists believe we believe that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are co eternal and co-equal they've always existed they are all eternal and they're all equal the spirit is eternal now I've even heard some anti Trinitarian feats the idea that the Holy Spirit did not come into existence until Pentecost and all of them believe that minute there is a variation of belief among the movement but clearly the Holy Spirit has existed through eternity as well so the it's the the Spirit the Holy Spirit is each kernel. Now we're going to see some other key points about the Holy Spirit we see that the Godhead or the Trinity by the way I don't have a problem using the term trinity people say of the term trinity of Catholic Well let me just through a few thoughts out there for you You do realize that the Catholics believe that Jesus died on the cross so are we going to say that the death of Christ's on the cross is a Catholic teaching No the Bible teaching So the Catholics believe a mixture of truth and error and just because they use the term trinity doesn't mean that we should feel ashamed to use that term when the Bible teaches 3 Co eternal truths and in scripture so let's look at the Godhead present creation of the Trinity present creation and he reached chapter one verses one and he is a God who at sundry times and in divers manner spake in times past and of the fathers by the prophets has spoken on to us by his son. By whom also he made the worlds so Christ made the worlds and so the father was present at creation the son was present at creation but Genesis one verse 2 says the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters so the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are all present at creation and we talked about this in the previous presentation but in the receptor one verse 8 Here we see God in the Son but in Hebrews one verse 8 The father says that the Son by throne of God is for ever and ever so the Son is God the Father is God and we saw from Acts 5 verses 3 and 4 The Holy Ghost is God so all 3 Persons of the Godhood are present at creation because creation was such an important moment in the history of the universe. Now not only were they present at creation notice the Holy Spirit is responsible for the conception of Christ and the angel answered Senator the Holy Ghost will come upon the and the power of the highest will overshadow the therefore also the holy thing which shall be born of the shall be called the son of a gun so the Holy Spirit was responsible for the conception of Christ now if you think that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit of the Father and the Son or the spirit form of Jesus then you start to come to some interesting weird strange conclusions when it comes to the conception of Christ. So just keep that in mine now Matthew Chapter 3 so we see that God had frozen at Jesus' baptism 316 and 17 and Jesus when he was baptized went up straightway out of the water and lo the heavens were opened under him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon him so there is the Holy Spirit and then we see the voice of the father in law a voice from Heaven think this is my beloved Son in whom I am well placed so the Spirit descends like a dove that's the Holy Spirit and then the father speaks with a voice so we have the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit all present at Jesus' baptism by the way Jesus when he was about Thais the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are present and when we baptize new converts we baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost Now it is true that some of the anti Trinitarian say we baptize in the name of Jesus because we can show that from the work of the apostles I believe in the book of Acts but Jesus. Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost so I'm going to take the commission from Christ and say he is my example and he said to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost and of the Holy Spirit was just an influence that existed between the father in the Son we could just baptize in the name of the Father in the Son because we already have it covered but Jesus has no baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost they were all present at the baptism of Jesus and they all promised to be present at our baptism when we are baptized in their name like that so Matthew $21000.00 Go ye therefore and teacher make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost now Samata know all but I've certainly seen this on some of the Facebook debates some anti trinitarians try to discredit the validity of this verse. Now look when you wish a verse was not in the Bible that should raise red flags about your theological position. Man if that verse wasn't there my position would be so much better when we take all of the Bible even if it doesn't fit the maybe we need to go back and relook at what we're teaching if we're disappointed that we find a verse that contradicts our understanding and again I talked about this with M.L. Andrea's and in our last presentation he was convinced to Ellen why did not write the statement in Christ of life original on borrowed and under arrived in he changed his position when he saw the clear statement from her own handwriting OK now here's another concept that I find to be very powerful when believing in the truth of the Holy Spirit. You know the Bible says in 2nd Corinthians 131 this is the 3rd time I am coming to you in the mouth of chew or 3 witnesses shall every word be established so you have 3 persons of the Godhead and they all testify of each other notice and certain Corinthians $1314.00. The various Oh this is very interesting is the same chapter so the verse 14 is the last verse in 2nd Corinthians 13 verse when one is the 1st verse obviously in that chapter and the 1st verse says in the mouth of Chu or 3 witnesses shall every word be established then when he comes to the end he's like This is how we establish this truth the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the communion of the Holy Ghost be with you all Amen so here we have 3 witnesses. The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Now think about this when Jesus came to this earth he came to bear witness of the Father and when the Holy Ghost was said after Jesus ascended back to earth Jesus he will testify of me meaning he's a witness to Jesus so here's the amazing thing though for each member of the Godhead they have chew witnesses to testify of them so the father has the Son and the Holy Spirit to testify of him the Son has the Father and the Holy Ghost to testify of him and the Holy Ghost has the Father and the son to testify of him in the mouth of Chu or 3 witnesses show every word be established so each member of the Godhead has 2 witnesses and the Holy Spirit doesn't say a whole lot about himself he simply talks about the Son and the father at the risk even of beingness understood but that's the humility of the Godhead because they testify of the other. But in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses show every word be established that's the biblical principle that's why we use 2 or 3 verses at least to prove a doctrinal point. And we use that same principle when proving that the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost have witnesses for each other. Now I'm going to share with you. 1st John 57 now many people say this verse doesn't belong in the Bible we're going to talk about this now but this is a powerful verse in favor of the Trinity 1st John Chapter 5 or 7 those for there are 3 that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these 3 are One I want you to open your Bibles and we're going to read actually verses 6 through 8 because that's going to give us a clearer understanding and this is where a knowledge of Greek can be helpful and I'm going to. Simplify that for you here in a minute but 1st John Chapter 5 verses 6 through 8 says this is he that came by water and bloody Even Jesus Christ not by water only but by water in blood and it is the spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth now over 7 for there are 3 that bear record in heaven the Father the Word in the Holy Ghost and these 3 are one and mercy then there are 3 that bear witness in heaven the spirit and the water and the blood and these 3 agree and one now this passage 1st on 57 is called the joke an income a. Because a lot of translations leave it out of Scripture in the just make a little index and you can find it down at the bottom that they say it's not found in the manuscripts that they are using for their translation it is however found in the text this Receptus but not in the majority of Greek manuscripts However it is found in the majority of Latin manuscripts Now why this discrepancy and should this verse be in the Bible let me read to you a statement from Dr Thomas then this is from a book written crowned with glory known Chuck the Saudis as the strongest evidence for this verse is found in the Greek text itself. Looking at 1st on $58.00 there are 3 nouns which and Greeks stand in the neuter spirit water in blood however they are followed by a participant not as masculine the Greek phrase here is or a March around to this who bear witness those you know the Greek language understand this to be poor grammar if left to stand on its own even more noticeably verse 6 says the same participle but stands in the neuter So it's like this doesn't make sense if you have just verse 6 and verse 8 and then he says why are 3 neuter nouns so afforded with a masculine participle the answer is found if we include verse 7 there we have 2 masculine nouns father and son followed by a neuter noun spirit the verse also has the Greek masculine participle lawyer March around to us with this clause introducing verse 8 it is very proper for the participle in verse 8 to be masculine because of the masculine nouns in verse 7 but of verse 7 were not there it would become and proper Greek grammar so isn't that interesting so people say oh yeah 1st John 57 that's not found in the Greek manuscripts so it shouldn't be in the Bible but it's actually found in the Textus Receptus and in the majority of Latin manuscripts and there's a very good reason based on the language of masculine and neuter Now those that are used in these verses in the Greek that 1st John 5 or 7 should be in the Bible so what is the verse again say for there are 3 that bear record in of and and the marginal reading for record is witness So again the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every word shall be established there are 3 that bear record or witness in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these 3 are One I truly believe from buff not a Catholic verse in the Bible that's a biblical verse in the Bible Now what does all whites say this is a very. So Miller powerful verse that really adds a lot of clarity the confort of that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven is the spirit and all the fullness of the Godhead making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive Him believe in Christ as a personal savior and I noticed this next statement there are 3 living persons of the heavenly tree you is that clear there are 3 living persons of the heavenly tree you in the name of these 3 great powers the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized on notice she identifies these 3 persons as 3 great powers for those who say oh well the Holy Spirit is just the power well so is the father in the Son and there are also persons that are powers on their person so those who receive Christ by loving faith are baptized in these powers will cooperate with the obedience subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ I am thankful that I can have confidence in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit to give me divine power to lead the new wife of Christ by faith a man there are 3 living persons of the heavenly trio So the Holy Spirit is an eternal truths and he is God and Ice and Fire lied to and he's one of the 3 persons of the heavenly tree you now notice this next statement this is manuscript 66 to 899 is also found in the book of Angela's and Page 616 we need to realize that the Holy Spirit who is as much a person as in God as a person is walking through these grounds that's very clear the Holy Spirit who is as much a person of God as a person is walking through these grounds so he's not just a force or an influence he is a person now. These 2 statements make it clear that there are 3 living persons of the heavenly trio the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is as much a person as a god as a person now here is a statement I'm going to share with you the anti trinitarians try to use to say that the Holy Spirit really is just Jesus Christ this is letter 66894 Florida soon to come we want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give it is not safe to catch the spirit from another we want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ if we commune with God we shall have strength and grace and efficiency and if you just use that one say me and be like oh well OK but notice manuscript releases volume $2324.00 The Holy Spirit is the comforter in Christ's name he the Holy Spirit personifies Christ yet is a distinct personality so he's not the same he personifies Cross getting as a distinct personality and it goes back to what Jesus says about himself in the Father I am my father or one He who has seen Me has seen the Father but Jesus and the Father are not the same being but they are the same they seen Jesus you've seen the Father He and His Father are one the same thing with the Holy Spirit in Christ if you have the spirit of the Holy Spirit you're going to have the Spirit of Christ because the Godhead is united they have the same spirit but they are 3 distinct persons. Now this is signs of The Times April 3 1884 The Holy Spirit exultant glorifies the Savior and I notice it is his office to present Christ the great solve ation that we have through him in the sacred elevated purity of his righteousness so take of mine and still show it under you the Spirit of Truth is the only effectual teacher of divine truth those who are taught of him have entered the school of Christ how God must this theme the race that he gave His Son to die for them and appoints the spirit to be man's teacher and continual God So notice the Holy Spirit has a specific office to present Christ then what are 131894 Thank God that the world Redeemer promised that if we want to way he would send the Holy Spirit as his representative Now the representative is not the same person that he is representing But he says Representative Let us pray and grasp the rich promises of God that in proportion to our earnest some will supplications the Holy Spirit will be appointed to meet our needs if we seek God with all our heart we shall find him and obtain the fulfillment of the promise and then another statement manuscript releases Volume 2 page 36 The Father has given us a son for us that through the Son the Holy Spirit might come to us and lead us to the father this his divine agency we have as we have the spirit of intercession whereby we may plead with God as a man pleaded with his throne so through his divine agency now there are some attacks on The Spirit of Prophecy Leroy Freeman's person on non-grata and many circles of something into them the claim is that Leroy Froome tampered with the writings of L M Y relating to what she said about the Holy Spirit when compiling the book of vandalism how many of you have heard that you know that's a serious charge. To say that Ellen whites writings have been tampered with especially when you can go back and look at the original manuscript from which those statements were compiled now it is true that free made mistakes in other areas and we're going to talk about that in our 5th presentation my presentation is from questions on Dr and a dozen Ford and we're going to see how does one floored manipulated statements or not statements but headings in his book now the statements are the same thing he Dimon if you lay her writings he but he put headings in there but if you look at her statements and put them all together on the Human nature of Christ it's very clear but if you look at the statements on the Holy Spirit and go back to the original there's nothing nefarious about the Holy Spirit so when we start to say that the book of vandalism is Miss stating the truth about the Holy Spirit now we're saying that the Spirit of Prophecy is not a reliable source. For our understanding of the Holy Spirit and once we start to say that we're made it making her writings of not a footnote a swell anoints and select messages. Volume one page 48 the very last the suction of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God where there is no vision the people perish Satan will work ingeniously in different ways and through different agencies to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony and so one of the ways he's working ingenuously as a say Well my view which is a pioneer a view of the Godhead is correct and the book of Angelo's them is wrong because it's been manipulated but the reality is you can look up all the original statements and they all say there are 3 loving persons of the heavenly tree of the Holy Spirit is as much a person of God as a person and you're running into trouble when you start to say things about her writings in that way so it's my subtle conviction that Satan is working through this movement to unsettle God's people in their confidence in the spirit of prophecy and I say this and also in Syria the claim in the elem why it's writings have been tampered with shows that they have the part of from the faith given he disabusing spirits and doctrines of doubles Now let me read some more statements this is councils on health page 222 the Godhead was stirred with pity for the race now look at the Son the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan it was decided that Christ the only begotten Son of God should give himself an offering for sin what lines in measure the depth of this love God would make it possible for a man to say that he could have done more with Christ he gave all the resources of heaven that nothing might be wanting in the plan for man's uplifting here is love the contemplation of which should fill the soul with inexpressible gratitude Oh what love what matchless love the contemplation of this love will cleanse the soul from also fishnets it will lead the disciple to deny self take up the cross and fall of the Redeemer So let me show you that again the very 1st line of the statement that God was stirred with city for the race and the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption for the Holy Spirit was part of that conversation for how humanity would be saved souls. Testimonies I am 6 page 99 the fact that you have been baptized in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is an assurance that if you will claim their help these powers will help you in every emergency again all 3 powers are there to help us selected messages Volume one page 344 Christ our mediator in the Holy Spirit are constantly interceding a man's behalf but the spirit please not for us as those Christ who present his blood shed from the foundation of the world the spirit works upon our hearts drawing out prayers and penitence praise and thanksgiving the gratitude which flows from our lips is the result of the Spirit striking the chords of the soul and holy memories awakening the music of the heart so you know we always know that Christ ever lives to make intercession for us but here we have the Holy Spirit is interceding for us also but in a way different than crisis so here we see a distinct work for the Holy Spirit Now this is a statement from manuscript 139 written in 1906. This is though and why in the sermon that she gave now a little point as the Saints in the kingdom of God are accepted in the Beloved they here come you bless them my father and here at the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world and then the golden harps are chuch to and the music flows all through the Heavenly Host Now look at this and they fall down and worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit God alone is worthy of worship so the Holy Spirit is a God So Jesus is worthy of worship the Holy Spirit is worthy of worship and the father is worthy of worship this is from inspiration now this is not I don't know the all anti Trinitarians believe this but I've seen this stated clearly by some leading anti Trinitarians on Facebook some anti Trinitarians believe that worshipping Jesus or the Holy Spirit is breaking the 1st Commandment which those that have no other gods before me because they believe the father is the only true God and that we have one Lord Jesus Christ and the spirit is just the spirit of either the father and the son of the spirit of Jesus so they're saying you're breaking the commandments by worshipping the son of the Holy Spirit elements as we're going to worship the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. And then Jeremiah it sentences that the Lord is the true God He is the living God and an everlasting thing so he is worthy of worship as well now let's just go through a few things here anti Trinitarians claim. That their view of the Godhood Now again this is some I think not necessarily everybody believes this but there are certainly many who believe this and I was just talking to one of my brothers in between sessions who has also been told personally by anti Trinitarians that he will be lost if he doesn't accept their anti trying to tear in view and Trinitarians claim that their view of the Godhead is necessary in order to experience righteousness by faith and they received a lot of rain sadly they have fallen into the trap of many other fanatical movements such as the 2520 movement keeping winners dates that is the Church Triumphant movement which is the Jeff pope in your movement who basically say our truth is the testing truth for this time and if you don't accept it you're not going to be saved and you are going against a clear biblical and spirit of prophecy teaching that teaches otherwise so no notice own Y. has a statement about people who make a false US them give a false loud cry this is volume one of the manuscript page 27 written in 884 Letter 2884 God is raising up a class to give a loud cry of the 3rd angels must the judge of your own soul shall men to rise speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them know that verse was applied primarily initially to the church of us but Ellen White makes an application to the sun and the administration is she saying from within the church men will arise speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them souls. And you know if it was just something those people kept to themselves I'll be one thing but a lot of times they are agitating and pushing as they want to gain a movement of disciples who are following this idea it is Satan's object now to get a new theories to divert the mind from the true work and genuine message for this time he stirs up minds to give false interpretation of Scripture a spurious loud cry that the real message may not have its effect when it does come this is one of the greatest the evidence is that the loud cry will soon be heard and the earth white and with the glory of God So I do say this the one reason I give thanks that there are heresies like this in the church this tells me that the real lot of loud cries about to come but I can tell you anti Trinitarianism is not the loud cry and the $2520.00 is not the loud cry and the just happens or movement and the feast keeping movement on the Lunar Sabbath and those are not the loud cry moments for Adam to them at the end of the world the the true loud cry movement is when God's people have Christ in them the hope of glory Christ in us where the character of Christ is seen so that the earth will be alumina it with the glory of his character that's what's going to lead to the outpouring of all out for I and I will have Christ in me when I accept Him as God and when I believe that the 3rd Person of the Godhead the Holy Spirit will empower me to receive Christ so that I can be a representative of the character of Jesus that's the true Freud Now if a few other statements letter 249003 those who seek to define God are on forbidden ground we are in to enter into no controversy regarding God what he is and what he is not he the omniscient one is above discussion and those who express such sentiments regarding him show that they are departing from the phase that's a strong statement those who try to define God are departing from the faith now I say this and all of. But Romans 1617 says now I beseech you brother and mark them which cause the visions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them here's my advice to you today if you are to run into some of our brothers and sisters who want to push this don't argue with them so waste the time the Bible says mark them and avoid them and I say this in all charity but I'm going to do my best by the grace of God if all of us Council on the seminar is over. Because I've studied this issue already and all these reams of quotes that said just to the anti Trinitarians otherwise do not fit within the wider volume of inspiration that shows clearly the doctrine of scripture on this teaching stay away from their meetings and this fellowship those in your church who are agitating this issue. You know sometimes I hear people say well how come the church doesn't deal with this division or the union or that entity and then on their own church they're allowing their children to commit adultery and not face consequences for and they have people teaching doctrinal heresies that are dividing the church and they don't have them face consequences for laws and we need to be consistent starting our own local church don't allow these ideas to come into your church and to become agitated it's one thing again and let me be clear if you have a brother or sister who quietly believes this and isn't agitating the issue don't go on a witch on not saying that but if there are agitating and they're bringing up in every Sabbath school class and they're wanting to be sure from the pulpit and they are trying to draw people in the church away into that belief that is disruptive behavior in the church and it's a heresy that needs to be addressed. Now Ellen White so this in early writings page 104 God is displeased with us when we go to listen to Air or without being obliged to go like hey I'm gonna go check out the anti Trinitarian meeting and see what they have to say No God this please when we go to hear that from us he sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will he will not keep us the angel ceased their watchful care over us and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his in will angels and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness so don't go don't engage Don't say OK sure you can come over to my house and give me a Bible study as to why you believe this because we already see clearly that the Holy Spirit is God There are 3 living persons of the heavenly tree of the Holy Spirit is as much a person as God is a person and when you start to tell me that I'm part of the omega of apostasy because I believe what inspiration says that's a major problem and I see that as the work of the enemy not the work of Christ now a few concluding thoughts well just not be confused over such a basic bible doctrine and clearly define truth. Let us focus on receive in the Holy Spirit so that we will receive the true lottery in May we be part of God's closing work in which the 3rd Person of the Godhead fills our lives so that we can eliminate the earth with the glory of God's character and I want to close with John Chapter 16 verses 8 through of and I invite you to turn with me to these verses John Chapter 16 verses 8 through 11 and here the Bible says and when he the Spirit or and when he is come see them and when he has come He will reprove the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment of this is the cup for spoken of in verse 7 of sun because they believe not on me of judgment or of righteousness because I go to my father and you see me no more of judgment because the prince of this world is Judge listen it is necessary for the comfort of the Holy Spirit to come because Christ went back to Heaven and when he has come he is going to reprove the world of sin and listen friends I want to make a personal appeal to you I need the Holy Spirit the 3rd person of the Godhead and my life because he brings conviction of sin to my heart and when I diminish his power I am opening the door for the devil choose to create doubt in my mind to all of the power that God has given to the Holy Spirit who is the 3rd person of the God and the Holy Spirit is going to lead me into all truth he's going to convict me of sin he's going to show me what righteousness is and he's going to show me of the judgment because listen friends of something else we are living in the judgment our of Earth's history since $844.00 and I knew the Holy Spirit to point out sin on my wife so that I will confess that son repent of it and receive Christ righteousness by faith so that I will stand faithful in the judgment. That's the work of the Holy Spirit and that's what I need at this time and that's what we as a church need so again I want to remind you this book on the Trinity by Glenn Parfitt you can get this at the booth I have these coupons in my hand if you would like to get one you can get a discount at the Audi averse booth but I want to just encourage you to follow God completely follow the 3 living persons of the heavenly trio and when Jesus comes may we be found faithful and a man was closer to the word of her father in heaven thank you for being with us over these 2 hours we pray that the heavenly each of the Trinity is understood more clearly and that we can have confidence in the 3 witnesses of this trio the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit who all to us the 5 each other that in the mouth of cheer 3 witnesses they establish each member of the Godhead May we faithfully follow you made the Holy Spirit bring conviction to our hearts in our minds of what son is and when Jesus comes may we be found faithful I pray those in Jesus and. This message was recorded at the G. Y.C.. In Houston Texas. Supporting Ministry of the 7th Day Adventist Church seeks to inspire young people to be bible based. And so Christians. Purchased other resources like this visit us online she Y.C. would have.

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