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Agriculture in Our Soil

Thom Mayer

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Thom Mayer

Little Light Ministries

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  • January 17, 2019
    9:30 AM

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Dear gracious Heavenly Father Lord we are in need of your wisdom. In need of your counsel and your guidance and nor do we ask your Holy Spirit to be here with us we realize that we are all students in the school of Christ in order we pray that as we move forward especially in the realm of education. That you guide us in the direction that you would have us go we ask these things in Jesus name in man courage acacia and so basically the 3 educate the 3 questions we want to answer about Tridge occasion are what is the aim of education how does agriculture help to achieve that aim and why is our culture important anyway and I'll start with the 1st paragraph here from the book education our ideas of education take too narrow and too low a range there is need of a broader scope a higher aim is true education means more than the pursue of a certain course of study it means more than the preparation for the life that now is it has to do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man it is the harmonious development of the physical the mental and the spiritual powers it prepares the student for the joy of service in this world and for the higher higher joy and wider service in the world to come Isn't that amazing we're going to be continuing to serve in heaven so we better learn how to do that here right. That's that's the important part here. My grandmother recently died and we've got a bunch of her books and this was a book by Haskell the story of Daniel the prophet and I was just kind of glancing through it before I came and I came across this this. Quote here taken from Page 1718 says God had an object in calling the Jewish nation to separate themselves from other nations of the world it was that his people might stand before the world as light bearers as a beacon set on a hill Israel was to send beams of light to the world the plan of Education made known to Israel through her prophets was the means of keeping that light burning when this God given plan was neglected the light as a candle deprived of the life giving oxygen burned dim then it was that the nation was pressed upon all sides by the foe there is a Hebrew maxim which says that the Jewish Jerusalem was destroyed because of the education of her children was neglected the prophet or the prophecies of Daniel and the connected history prove the truth of this maxim. It may be added that the Jews were restored to Jerusalem as the result of the proper education of a few Hebrew boys. It's pretty sobering story the story of Daniel and his 3 friends and their stand in Babylon and that whole I mean this the whole story is absolutely amazing to all of us right and I really believe as I have been more around this I'm only my 4th year at Daystar and. I'm not saying I'm an expert on these things or anything I feel very humbled that the admin to set our culture Association asked us to share some things that are happening there Daystar. But I really believe that agriculture is one of the best analogies for how we share the Gospel God works through types and symbols does he not. Right pictures and parables right Jesus spoke in parables and really we have one of the best analogies for how we are to share the gospel. As farmers right we sing the song. Odell's a soldier and he had his hands on the gospel plow and one day got all the Can fighting where we said Stand up what and fight anyhow fighting as this is this battle song right but the weapon in the hands is a plow that 2 edged sword is there in the soil and what is this will represent the hearts right the hearts we are all we all have a field of influence it's all the people that you come into contact with I love how he brought out last night that the gospel is about relationships right that's what it is you're building a relationship with the soil you're going out in your field in your understanding that you're going back and forth and you're working with that soil you don't just go out there and plant seeds the Bible tells us in Jeremiah for 3 to break up the fallow ground and to sow not among the thorns there's a lot right there in that one sentence is there not because this quote from Christ's object lessons she says the sowers of the seed and she's not talking about farmers here she's talking about gospel workers. The sewers of the seed have a work to do in preparing hearts to receive the gospel in ministry of the word there is too much sermonizing into little real heart to heart work there is need of personal labor for the souls of the lost in Christ like sympathy we should come close to men individually and seek to awaken their interest in the great things of eternal life relationships. Their hearts may be as hard as the beaten highway and apparently it may be a useless effort to present the savior to them while logic may fail to move an argument be powerless to convince I may have been in an argument over spiritual things are trying to convince somebody else you know God even exists or whatever it is you're trying to convince somebody of. These things are powerless but the love of Christ revealed in personal ministry may soften the stony heart so that the seeds of truth can take root you see there's a science to sharing the gospel. We don't just go out any old time you know month and we just plant whatever we want do we not it's it there's a science to it there's a season for it there's a preparation of the soil if you want to be successful in farming there's a whole progression of working with that soil and soil testing and breaking up the fallow ground before we even bring out this amazing bag of seeds. But it's what's guiding us the whole time I mean the plow the gospel plow it's it's it's you've taken those seeds by faith in the your heart and they have grown something in you that then you desire to share that with others a myth the plough. Education Page $125.00 the plough the gospel is the central theme of the Bible the restoration of God's image in the souls of men that's the purpose of the Gospel and really the purpose of education you'll see here as we move through this is the same. Because really this is this is just a bag of seeds you know we can know this thing forwards and backwards we can speak with the tongues of men and of angels but if we don't have what love we're claiming symbol sounding brass we're an annoyance to people if we don't have that love it's like you're going around your field with only one hand on the plow 2 handles there there's a balance that God is wanting us to bring to the presentation of the Gospel in Matthew chapter 13 right Christ goes down on the shore of the of Galilee there and people are pressed around him and he's fed thousands of people with just a little bit of food and he's raised the dead he's done all these amazing miracles and they're like This guy's going to lead us out from under the Roman oppression right any steps into a boat and he hasn't pushed away a little bit in the 1st things that come out of his mouth are a so are when to so see he see God wanted to come and he wanted to implant his character into the hearts of humanity that was the purpose and he did so at the good seed is the Son of Man Christ is our example and we're all called to so that seed no matter what our age is no matter what our occupation is this should be our focus so if we're not training our young people to be mission minded not career minded then we've done a real disservice and agriculture is one of the best ways to do that. What's represented by the plants that grow if we're talking about spiritual things here in the Bible the Word is the seed is planted in the heart what's the result what grows what are you growing. What are we attempting to grow in the hearts of our students character. I'll give this another quote here from Christ object lessons page 38 every seed brings forth fruit after its kind so this seed under right conditions is the science the preparation of the soil knowing the season when to bring out a certain truth to somebody and it will develop its own life in the plant received into the soul by faith the incorruptible seed of the word and it will bring forth a character and a life after this similar to the of the character and life of God It's amazing right when you really think about it because we all want to bear fruit. And what is the fruit the fruit is really a blessing if you remember what we called to be what was Abraham called to be a blessing. God said get out of your country from your father's house go to a land that I will show the right I will make the a great nation and I will curse them the cursed you know bless them the blessed sea and in you all the nations of the earth shall be blessed were called to be a blessing the fruit is a blessing is it not the fruit really and what's in the fruit the seed 305100 fold blessing that we can share with those around us we have this on a board I should have just taken a picture of it in our in our ad building and. This is taken from education page 15 and 16 to restore in man the event of his maker to bring him back to his perfection in which he was created to promote the development of body mind and soul. That the divine purpose of His creation might be realized this was to be the work of redemption this is the object of education the great object of life so that character development what we learn in the garden is teaching us how to develop characters my last slide here them and handed over to Brian Dunn he's our Bible teacher and he's going to continue along this same vein here that this is the last quote only and with daring Greenfield shared with me this quote and it has been I think one of the most exciting quotes that I've ever read in the laws which God gave for the cultivation of the soil he was giving the people opportunity to overcome their selfishness and become heavenly minded Kanan would be to them as even if they obeyed the word of the Lord through them the Israelites the Lord designed to teach all nations of the world how to cultivate the soil so that it would yield healthy fruit free from disease the earth is the Lord's vineyard vineyard and it is to be treated according to his plan those who cultivate the soil were to realize that they were doing God service they were as truly in their law and place this into this as were the men appointed to minister in the priesthood in the work connected with the tabernacle farmer priest that's pretty amazing really when you think about it but it makes sense right I mean God put Adam and Eve in the garden. Ellen White referred to it many times as the even school. And by the way that quote There is 1st Bible Commentary page 1112. And that's from this woman to pass up to Brian Brian as our Bible teacher he works on the farm as well and. We'll have a time over to him now so yeah Tom just on selfishly offer to let me have a part in this because we work a lot together and so it's a journey we're both sort of discovering together instituting agriculture into the modern school plan is not easy Have any of you found that of any of you experimented with that and my question is why is it so difficult for us to implement what the council say and that's what I'm going to talk about today is a blueprint and I've even heard the question asked is there a blueprint you know and not necessarily asked in a healthy way but like to suggest there isn't really a blueprint and that's an semantics argument to understand because you could say yes it's a blueprint or no it's a blueprint based on your definition of what a blueprint is and so it's an invasive question is there a blueprint of what we're really asking is I mean what's obvious is there are councils and the councils make up a blueprint so they say there's no blueprint is not true it may not be like fleshed out in every way that we want and so that's why some say it's not really a blueprint but it really is a vase of it's not an honest question it's clear that there is while it might be by some I should say I shouldn't judge the hearts but but how I've encountered it it was sort of like a scoff like there is no there is no blueprint Well we look at what there is OK i'm will call it a blueprint tentatively and the other question is What does a blueprint say about agriculture and the other part is you have the advancer I'll try it in this one seat of work the other question is why is this so difficult why is this such a challenge why is it that it's so difficult to implemented because let's face it we have struggled as a church for years to hold on to. The proper implementation. Of the blue print that Alan White the guidelines that I might lays out and that we have to Sutherland. And again see if it works. OK so why so much resistance in implementing and implementing it how many of you know a little bit about the history between Battle Creek. And manumission college later and then or the struggle they had between Madison and. General Conference education have you looked at that at all this terrible resistance that was there and the question I have to ask is why now I was raised. A Roman Catholic and my mother decided not to send me like my other brothers I was younger she decided not to send me to the public schools because the public schools in our land were encountering the same problems as the public schools in the U.S. there was no moral compass whatsoever you know it was very secular. And drugs and immorality were rampant my mother recognized this we moved back to the city I spent most of my life in the country as a young boy but moved back to the city and she was terrified to send me the youngest to the public school after what she saw was happening with my 2 older brothers and so she sent me to the Christian Brothers School Now does anybody know what a Christian Brothers School is to be you probably know right Christian Brothers they're an order of Catholic celibate men that dedicate themselves to education in the counter-Reformation they recognise quite quickly that Protestantism. Was a danger this idea of moving back to the Bible as a base of her Christianity was a danger to the Catholic Church because it had built its religion from multiple sources. Bible was one flavor it was like Baskin Robins at all these different flavors of ideas and to make it an empire religion they had to blend all of these different ideas and call it Christian because Christian was the unifying glue but what happened to the Christian element was that when you unified it with all these other concepts such as Plato our Stossel SOCRATES And all of these other concepts of our world it polluted it now of course money Roman Catholics don't see it that way they believe that it's a good thing to blend everything together and they'll tell you if you read in their statements of doctrine they don't believe that the Bible is superior to the authority of the church fathers and such and tradition you know they believe that God gave it to them and they passed it on and they interpret the Bible not the Bible them you know I'm saying and we know that but they saw that Protestantism this idea of the inspired word of God being the source and driving force behind this movement they realize that this was a great challenge to their system and they immediately set about to Ignatius Loyola in making an educational system that would counter it right here where that in our history. I'm going to look a little bit at my my query I guess is that that system formed the educational basis of European education and we know from Sutherland's book that it it permeated into American education but in the early years of American education I'm explaining why such resistance. There were too many others who wanted the European system they liked it they knew it they thought it was better they didn't like these new on trite ideas of Protestants and we'll look at some of those ideas of a different form of education so we had 2 competing forms of education what prevailed in America walked the veil in the US the European system prevailed our major universities followed it. There's different individual Southern mentions at 1st through Jefferson and others they tried to build a barrier to the papal system of education which was basically coming from the pagan system of education Greco-Roman and they tried to build a barrier to it and what we do in our schools and what we have from Alan White are the elements that create that barrier to Papal education to the mindset which really comes from taken ism and creates a pagan worldview is it doesn't why such resistance because it's permeated in our society it's permeated in our culture in our social structure education is so. Central to the way we think it's incredible Obviously it's not just education that happens in school but it's education happens in the home but you can see other 2 are linked because the parents if they're educated in the school they raise their children according to the principles that they learned in their school so it really does it's the cart before the horse thing you know and all that so why such resistance one of the reasons why there was such resistance in the Battle Creek ideas was because they were acclimated to a Greco roman model of the world now they recognize Advena strews because they're awesome you know to know that you sleep when you die it's a no that crisis coming back to this world in real flesh or at least this world will be remade and we'll have a real flesh existence in the new earth and all of those wonderful things I found out when I became a sun The admin is all of that's wonderful but it's it's almost useless are worse than useless if you just attach that to a graying greco roman mindset of the world so I'm not just talking about doctrines I'm talking about the way that we think OK so why so much resistance because it's permeated in our culture it's the way we're used to being have any of you got favorite foods. Your favorite foods right and you know how hard it is when you go to another culture and all of a sudden none of those favorite foods are there and you have to eat these other foods and what do you normally think about those other foods maybe one or 2 of them are nice but a lot of them are weird right and you use crave your old foods you know after you've been there a while though and you force to eat other foods off each develop an appetite for them it's much the same with our traditions and the way we think you know the Bible is not our natural food it's something that comes from other worldly sources so we naturally militate against it in our normal nature on till we get this grace from Christ to see it that is a better food anyway and move on so why so much resistance. And I believe they're still resistant today I don't know OK But let's look at the the elements of the blueprint 1st it is God's plan that agriculture shall be connected with the work of our sanitariums and schools our youth need to be educated the education to be gained from this line of work it is well on more than well it is essential and you repeat that it is essential it's not something that's time based it's not culture based right it's just essential you kept that a pen of inspiration that efforts be made to carry out the Lord's plan there is a blueprint in this respect you can see the reference there OK. This can be made available to you also. Now remember the warning from Scripture we wear lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit after the tradition of men after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ and also Matthew 15 Jesus addresses this it's probably from there Paul gets this warning you know in vain to you were should be teaching for doctrines of commands of men this was among the people of God He was warning OK so what we look at in the Bible. Think of it in this way there's 2 different social models there's the Cain model and the Abel model if you look at Genesis it's 2 different social models as soon as Cain moves away he sets up a society and it's a different social order than the people of God And so the sons of man on the sons of God are 2 different from the same race but they're 2 different social orders that we find at the very beginning. There's 2 different faith models in the world in general this Bible and papal papal really has Zorba all other faiths ideas in the world besides the Bible because there's only one truth. The PE papal because it was a Christianity that blended into paganism it becomes the most incredible deception because it says it's Christian but it incorporates everything other than the truth right that's why it becomes in Revelation it calls it that power that comes out of Rome is the mother of harlots and cause the kings of the earth commit fornication 2 different education models pagan and Christian I didn't include papal there because papal basically is it's it's there are many Christians in that movement but the model is pagan because it comes from Plato our startle Socrates whatever through Aquinas and origin and Augustine OK So there's a great controversy going on between these 2 systems OK And what we're really talking about to put it mildly is a play tonic or a thought in social order Plato had a whole social order and it evolved Education It involved in an academic elite which suddenly and speaks of and the system of the separation of class into the scholars and the laborers you understand that's the way Plato sought and secular educators today place all their faith in the play Titanic model that's they think he was brilliant and he's the mastermind of codifying paganism into this brilliant and intellectual system brilliant but deadly OK And then you have the holistic Bible order God centered so one is man centered the Greco-Roman the other is God centered and this is why Alan White's ideas are so different for education and why he had so much to say against the the current education even that our own schools were adopting from looking outside is they were man centered she was God centered and God had a lot to say the extent of pagan influence how wide is the extent of pagan influence in the end of time and you still isn't for me. All nations are something to do it. For all nations Thank you good man he knows his Bible Moses you are Moses after all right for all nations have drunk of the wine of the Ross of our fornication and we know who this is Speaking of because it's speaking of the Roman power again so the greatest sin of Christianity is to blend with paganism pagans to a certain extent are some was not innocent but in ignorance but to take Christianity and blend it with something dark is the greatest sin in God's mind some Revelation speaks of this system and it represents as a woman writing this beast and we know what that represents from the symbolisms there's enough consistency in the prophecy to know what it is but notice how many nations all nations it says in the Bible right if you look it up Revelation 138 so that's why it's so pervasive when we're trying to set up an avid educational system in our work all nations have drunk that includes us right we had drunk of the wine of the Roth and so we're trying to set up this educational model that doesn't follow the police tonic model which separates class you have the academic elite and you have the labor class right and so if you want to be among the academic elite you get out of the labor and you get into the books right OK I'm not against books but follow me. So Plato Aristotle you know Plato emphasized the logos which was not the God we know it was pure knowledge really and this is where we get this idea in education that if we just keep doing higher abstract subjects we'll we'll become brilliant and we'll be like God I mean that is in the secular education system it's not based on character it's not based on morality it's based on intellect salvation by intellect and unfortunately as Christians we've often follow that model of thinking that if we just put all our energy into making them intellectual they'll figure it out and become good that was Plato's idea that salvation by works and it doesn't work OK It's part of the salvation by works error and it's from straight from paganism which you know the basis of paganism is salvation by works by innate abilities right OK so where does agriculture come in. And so we have the Bible example of the Eden plan where God set man in the garden and he was to learn of God directly from nature 1st didn't have a Bible because the Bible was imbedded in the perfect reflection of nature after the fall we have the Israel plan all families were to have land that affected their social structure in terms of independence and an and T. a barrier to corruption to centralization this is part of the plan that God had if each family had land they had a vote they had power they had independence and then notice what's changed in our American society we used to be here we used to have the Israel plan most families in the US had a land that was what drew people you could have land you could gain a livelihood you could work hard and sometimes it meant a trade but in most cases it meant land on a trade and then of course we have the schools of the prophets example in the Bible and they in volved labor and agriculture you have Jesus' teaching of the power bills in nature which keep telling us something that hey the revelation that I'm trying to tell you is in nature already you need to keep that connection and in the Psalms we have that so the Bible gives us lots of general indicators of why agriculture and nature should remain part of our system the Spirit of Prophecy reasons or money I won't go through that right now give them enough time but I did want to talk about this I've gone to the elements councils and try to enumerate or identify the different titles of the things you know those categories of quotes that she gives and when I'm looking at a school and saying you know do I want to farm at that school I don't just see if I have a farm because you can have a farm and not follow the council. My question is are you following the council regarding how far to be integrated into schooling right so here's we're going to look at watch she actually says how many people know the A.B.C.'s quoter of ever heard of it raise your hand. OK There's a quote that says this working the soil is one of the best kinds of employment one of the best kinds remember that calling the muscles into action and resting the mind study and I agree culture line should be a B. and C. of the education given in our schools that comes from an old Greek expression the Alpha Beta Gamma the Greeks use that basically it's the tallit So it's the most important and it's the basic element of which everything else comes right this is the very 1st work that should be entered upon how many schools that you know have started their school by developing a farm 1st mostly only in self-supporting work not in a regular education system OK this is the very 1st work that should be entered upon our school should not depend upon important here's a reason why important produce for grain and vegetables and the fruit so essential to help our youth need to be educated in felling trees tilling the soil as well as in litter literary lines so again the pagan people system of boy did this because that was for the lower class the upper class were to gain their education from literary resources alone right and she says no that's not that's the place that really is a play tonic model it's a Greco-Roman model it's not the Israelite model it's not God's model from the beginning and we'll see why so number one it's it's really important in the set up and foundation of the school and next thing she says is a portion of labor a portion of every day should be spent in labor every institution of learning should make provision for the Study of practice of agriculture on the mechanic arts I'm rushing sorry competent teachers should be employed to instruct the youth in various industrial pursuits as well as in several branches of study my question is are they competent teachers if they don't have this. It was like I'm confident in English or I'm competent in the sciences but are you competent in a practical trade because in her view that's not a very competent teacher if you're just a bookworm you need to have a skill this was a plan of Israel every even the richest farming families were to have land and they were to have and means of sustenance besides their head knowledge this is a Christian ideal OK And so if we're training teachers to only be teachers and this is I've gone I have 3 degrees higher level degrees and I realize only now what I don't know from those degrees as I read the Bible and I'm not boasting I'm just telling you that's what I did I went through 3 different you know education fine arts and theology right and mostly in our school systems one outside what 2 outside and 2 in actually 2 different times no 2 outside and one in Yep and anyway. To be competent really means that we should be able to have a skill or at least be willing to learn a skill and the other thing we're going to look at so that was a quote that talked about you know the need to have a scale for teachers the this one is the subject the method the order of importance if one is neglected is that heading for young men there should be establishment where they could learn different trades which would bring into exercise their muscles as well as their mental powers if the use can have but a one sided education and a disaster which of which is the greater which of the greater consequence which is of the greater consequence the study of the sciences with all its disadvantages to health and life because you're pouring over books in a lab all the knowledge of labor in practical life we on the hesitatingly say the latter if one must be neglected let it be the study of labor. But honestly how many of you would have thought of that how many of you from our modern education viewpoint with think that way you know that Labor is just for stupid people you know they just they need some effort you know like that the slave idea and the smart people are the people who read a lot right now I'm for reading and I have to read a lot to present this I do a lot of research but the way that the mind is affected by only taking in information dead information does not make an intelligent person knowing a lot of data doesn't make an intelligent person in God's definition of intelligence you understand what I'm saying because Labor involves critical thinking problem solving involves a balanced physical system right it actually does the mind is developed to work in a healthy body not in an unhealthy one and the workings of the mind in an unhealthy body tend towards They may be intellectual but they tend towards immorality OK the working of the mind in an unhealthy body that's wilfully unhealthy tends towards immorality it develops areas of the brain maybe you might be great at mathematical equations or something but it doesn't develop the moral capacities which are the highest capacities of the mind remember reco Roman education doesn't look at that it looks at purely the intellectual capacities as education we're looking at the moral capacities as education and the intellectual follow as a servant only right OK Satan is very intellectual by the way books superficial thinking and education drive chiefly from books leads to a superficial thinking practical work encourages close observation independent thought you notice a lot about this in educational literature I have a masters in education they talk in the secular world a lot about these things trying to bring them in to study in books but she is saying the Christian viewpoint is that the only way you're really going to get them is in a practical useful setting. Right you can do all of them a little bit from pure theory but it's still pure theory unless you actually do the labor which is unselfish labor which draws away from self. Otherwise you become puffed up tall is a lot to say about you know have you not noticed how not many high and mighty are called Not many scholars are philosophers are with us in the Christian fold because the Greco-Roman model didn't favor the Christian model they are opposites now they're overlaps obviously rightly performed it tends to develop practical wisdom which we call common sense have you ever had somebody in a job placed over you had a lot of degrees you know I'm speaking of you know I've been through that myself I have degrees but I don't really have some value but not a whole lot I've learned a lot more from God and from the Scriptures but the question is asking everybody ever had somebody set over you who had a lot of degrees but no practical experience and you had practical experience and what was your what was your experience in that anybody it's very frustrating because they don't know the reality of what you're trying to do they only know the theory and then they feel intimidated because you're trying to tell them this isn't going to work you know and human human personality gets in the way and you get this conflict of ego battles and stuff like that but it's very hard to have somebody set over you as learn theory from the books and you're actually having to do it and you're trying to tell them this won't work and they say no you got to do it my way because of the authority struggle there you know and sometimes you can bring it around and course you know working as in a crisis like way you can help them to see they need the advice of somebody who's actually done it right but we're talking about common sense here it develops ability to plan and execute strength and courage and perseverance and calls for exercise of tact and skill so what are these qualities are they intellectual qualities or are they character qualities. Well they have some intellectual elements but they're mainly character qualities that that we're developing here and this is what's lacking in our pagan school systems or the pagan school systems. Now she also mentioned independence and being able to provide her own food if you look at the great churches of history that were wilderness churches the wall Dench's in the early Celts like I'm Celtic I come from there but I don't get it by genetics I have to get up my face so being a Celt doesn't help me unless I give my heart to God but they their system if you look at it as anybody seeing the series a lineage journey. Very good series 5 minute bites of history made by young people in north England conference I pastored over in Northern Ireland for the British Union conference and I was really happy to see stuff like that coming out of the North England conference it's it's a story of our church history it sort of follows B J will be G. Wilkinsons through triumphant and great controversy look at upline a journey but they talk about the early Celtic missionary they weren't monasteries they were schools of training that became famous all over Europe people were sending their children to them this little island you know Iona off Scotland and in Northern Ireland and places like that and if you look at what that series or any other series are true triumphant one of the major things that they did was they had agriculture and trades and then they copied the Scriptures and they were training missionaries it was like an 18 year course by the way that they had 18 years really thorough and those that small little group sent out missionaries all over the world and they turned the world upside down so much so that Columbina says one of the later Irish or Celtic missionaries made it all the way to the wall the engine outs he's now canonized as a Catholic saint by the way even though he spoke out again spoke out against the Roman bishops and their excess of wealth and you know impracticality he was a practical man he was a great builder he could train while out animals they said to labor somebody had his gift and he basically met with the Italians who were fleeing from the Roman corruption the Christians that were in the Alps which later we know is what you are the well then genes what do we know about the wild engines another thing that said about one of the princes the papacy was trying to wipe them out as a people because they claim the Bible in the Bible only one of the things that. That they. Were known for was their ability to make the land fertile where nobody else could the wild engines so you see this all the way along they were practical tradesmen they were brilliant scholars even though they didn't have the training of the Roman scholarship they could take it on and some of them actually went to Roman colleges to. That's my wife working with the students so agriculture was a major part of Independence specially to agriculture and other trades building and other things were a major part of the wilderness church always that's how they survived and were able to survive outside of the control of the centralised Greco-Roman system so you can see why we at the end of time are being counseled to have the same thing we don't want to be dependents we want to be independents are our missionaries need to be independent faculty and staff should work alongside the students I'm running out of time but you can see the quotes here and manual labor is the general heading but then she says I'm culture sort of king of the manual labor so if you're not if you're only going to have one have agriculture but then add the others OK the other manual trades but you see teachers themselves need to access how many schools do we have where the teachers work every day with the students even our school we haven't gotten to that point yet but it's in the councils My question is why aren't we following the council's. Well it's sort of hard and I've looked at it and the reason why is that we have adopted the Greco-Roman model of society and our teachers are educated in that and even though we have this outward veneer of Adventism our life is modeled after the Greco-Roman model which is you know buy your food at the grocery store that's what Romans did they got their grain supplies in there from Africa and everywhere and they live like Romans and they went to the theatre and they had the leisure time and they sold their vote to elect politicians and that was their life they were not involved with their land the knish really if you anybody read a T. Jones much more time to have how many body read the 2 republics by 80 JONES He mentions how Rome fell apart and it's a really valuable book I love to read all of our pioneers writings obviously the spirit prophecy is my main one but I love to read what those men were writing those men were the impetus to the educational reform actually the $800.00 messages lead up to the educational reform and there's a grace link there that's very important to plow the Thomas talking about but in the 2 republics he mentions a Roman its constitution had a plan for citizens the common citizen to keep the land they were not the aristocracy was not to buy up all the land rights they recognize that for the for the success of their empire individual system citizen was important they were far from having the freedom that we have but they did recognize the aristocracy should not be allowed to create a monopoly and buy up all the land and guess what happened in 80 Jones book he records the history the aristocracy found corrupt ways around their constitution they broke their own constitution the light that God had actually given them. And this is the beginning of their fall started very early on and they bought up all the land and all the people were crowded into the cities of citizens and the only thing commodity they had then was their vote and they were on the socialist system where they got food and theater and you know what was that saying famous saying Give them bread in theater and we can rule as we wish something like that and that's exactly what they did so the aristocracy basically bought up all the land so now you and then they had more slaves and citizens in Rome and so the common person was was disconnected from the land now does that sound familiar look at the trend of American American thinking and what we have done I think over a 100 years ago 50 percent of our people farm the land or at least had some connection with the land somewhere tradesmen who had some land to love them or farmers who had land there full time summer part time but many people just had gardens where they could subsist like during the Great Depression where people in the country live like kings in comparison but what's happened in America what society that we live in today is it more like the later Republic of Rome or the earlier. And that's what he Jones' point was we're transitioning just like the early republic from a independent citizen to a centralized system where we're dependent on a small group who have all the power so we it's not necessarily an aristocracy but it is an elite group right that that control the one percent of farmers now we have one percent or some say 4 percent somewhere between that is tiny percentage that do the farming very easy to rule a nation the way you want in a sort of dictatorship style when you have the control of that you know and when you have farmers that are hooked into that system they're not independent either because they have to do such big farms that they're totally dependent on subsidies and grants and also huge things to make artificial system work which would normally work because God's system with smaller farms with independents right is not a huge corporate farm system so you know we might be we might be capitalist who may not be communist but really no matter what political system you have they're all capable of the same level of corruption and doing the same thing. So we know that communism has done the same thing. A student should learn good business sense another one of the points farmers should not think that agriculture is a business that is not elevated enough for their sons agriculture should be advanced by scientific knowledge farming as we pronounce some profitable people say that the soil does not pay for the labor and on and she says yes it will if we if we face it approach it in the right way if you read the rest of that quote OK so. So this is got called in modern education integration or what say the word interdisciplinary. So you want to learn science but what we learn Greco-Roman science style methodology where you categorize isolate you put everything in little boxes and it's not connected to your real life at all right that's Greco-Roman. It comes from our study in thinking which the particulars breaking things down into little groups and you find out about everything from this little focus on everything and that's not holistic it's not God's approach God's approach is science is if you learn science it should plug into the real purpose which is to provide food to provide sustenance if you learn math that you'd have to do it building or you know and yes we favor the abstract use of subjects rather than the concrete use of subjects that's another reform we can make in our schooling interdisciplinary and integration into the subjects that really are practical so the math and the science ties in with that right and you can actually learn it while you're farming you can do the math we have to do math and we farm we have to do science and we farm right Tom and Tom uses it in his value out of products distilling and all sorts of stuff OK so the Bible should be integrated with nature this is Jesus' lesson to us all the time because the eating plan is unchanged Ellen White says it's still the plan that God or Danes it doesn't matter that our culture has changed yes it might be harder to implement but we're about faith not about oh well it's too hard faith doesn't say well this is too hard should I do it or is it too hard faith says yes Lord right it's very simple. So anyway God makes a way where there was normally no way so I can read all these but basically. Even though the Bible is 1st place nature is is right alongside with it right and primarily that is in the cultivation of the soil not in sports because they always get about nature and they play sports in the grass Well when you're thinking about scoring a goal you're not thinking about how beautiful the grass looks you're thinking about dominating somebody you know and so and the same in I mean I I grew up as a distance athlete a runner I was out in nature a lot but most the time my thoughts were funneled towards my glory my conquest and it took me a while to get out of that when I became a Christian realize that the focus was robbing me of the benefit of actually being out in nature and like wow God made all this for us he loves us he has something incredible in store for us there's a message in all of this you know and it's not about being better than somebody else it's about actually realizing my humble position in all of this that we're all codependent to one another we we need one another right and so sports was a Greco-Roman way of getting the exercise in into the into the education and it was also a way of getting the Roman mentality into the education which was conquering dominating others that was the whole role and that's why it's called The Beast in red and in the books of prophecy the beasts a terrible B. system right because it was really looking at its own survival and not living by faith. Direct contact with nature and nature's God So the way that we interface with nature is important you know just having an outdoor ad program. As good as they might be is not enough it has to be the cultivation of the soil what she's talking about it's not enough to just climb a cliff and say I climbed it gets into the same conquering mentality but you know to stop and look at that rock and say wow this rock is impenetrable reminds me of Christ or this rock teaches me something about the need for a foundation a solid foundation right in my spiritual life so how we interface with nature not that we don't have fun in nature we can do that but it shouldn't be the main aspect of outdoor education the main aspect about your education is working in God's system I really encourage you to read Sutherland's work Sutherland's work is basically a synthesis I can't read this but I'm looking at Suttons book talking about manual labor and its importance in the Protestant denominations. And how that before the advent movement God was moving Protestants to try to incorporate this but you know those great resistance and the great resistance came from the churches attached to the schools from the Christian nominations because they were Greco-Roman in mind set Christian in the near Protestant in the near on the outside but they didn't have the understanding Sutherland studies in Christian education and what's the other one's broken cisterns living through fountains of broken system is a subtle and you can find him on Ellen might argue dot org to have the P.D.F. and everything in there this media was brought to you by audio to a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio version or if you would like to listen to more sermons Please Visit W W W dot audio for.

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