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Introduction to Market Gardening - Part 5

John Dysinger Pamela Dysinger

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  • January 16, 2019
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This is kind of for those of you who may be just starting to think about market gardening you know all the place you need to start out is with an income plan how much are you. How much do you need to make on the farm you know do you have is Is your spouse working off the farmer or do you have savings or you know how much obviously I think you realize it's going to take you a year or 2 or 3 to get up to speed with this you're not going to just boom start in the 1st year be making a $100000.00 as just not realistic so can you can you handle a few years of less income while you're you're building your infrastructure and you know this is something this is a burden I have for Adventists is you know we should be having generational farms like the Amish do where where you're handing your farm off to the next generation that's our goal you know Joshua Knowles and Caleb I think is going to end up on the farm you know it's hard you know trying to push but trying to encourage. It's their farm you know when when we're gone assuming the Lord doesn't come we hope he comes long before then but that's their inheritance they can take it and run with it you know Joshua. Joshua and Kelly Well you know we'll throw out a few numbers just. Just to be real with you. Jim. Our farm has has made I think the highest grossing we did was right around 150000 a few years ago that was actually with my brother working with us we've we've cut way back as I talked about as far as land producing and then there have been extenuating circumstances which have brought that income downs last year it was around $120000.00 that was. With 6 apprentices over the summer we do an apprenticeship program intern program that if any of you are young and free and able to come I think it's the best way not that we're the best teachers or that we have the best farm but unfortunately there's just not a lot of options in Adventism at this point if you want to come and learn on a farm so we're what you got. But certainly hands on is the best way to learn so we actually the honest truth is that we figure our premises are actually kind of a wash you know the amount of time in energy we put into the training covers. Well they the additional labor covers the time and energy that we put into training so we're not sure that our apprentices really put us that far ahead so don't think of it as cheap labor. But hopefully they pay their own way so to speak but interesting Lee enough Joshua and Kelly this last year made $60000.00 just the 2 of them on. On. What was it 6 tenths of an acre. I mean they had a little bit of help here and there but it was mainly just the 2 of them so that was actually quite amazing to us because I don't see Joshua and Kelly here. So I can talk about them a little bit. They did not work full time on the farm this year and that's OK You know they just got married we wanted them to have a little more freedom so we didn't really push them at all but they're very fast when they do work you know I would say just from my observation of how much they were on the farm I would say maybe Joshua was working 30 hours a week I don't know maybe I'm being too hard on him but. You know in Cali she also so those Harvester baskets for the quick kind of harvesters or she needs to have a morning or 2 to do that week so you know I would I would estimate maybe half the time so anyway you know those are just some numbers you can look at but for yourself you've got to figure out are you trying to support yourself on the farm and as we talked about this Smorgon ing net income is usually between 40 and 50 percent of gross. So if you're running the numbers you know in our society I think somebody earning 30000 most people would think that was pretty low. You know if we are in $30000.00 a year we're feeling like we've done really well and. And because we live simply because our expenses are low we can live like kings and queens on $30000.00 a year so you know that's I feel like that's that's realistic. Obviously you can earn more and we're hoping this next year you know with the paper pop plantar and some of the efficiencies we've worked on over our sabbatical you know we think we can bump that up you know I'd like to get back up 215-0000 at least. But how much can you live on into me this is another part of this you know is learning to live simpler so that others can simply live I don't know if you're familiar with that concept but I think that's part of Christianity living on less so that you have born to give. So let's just do a hypothetical case study you have simplified your needs and want so that you can you think you can make it on 24000 a year. So what are you going to need to earn you're going to need earn at least 50000 to give these that 24000 right. So how are you going to do that how many heads of lettuce is that. You know we get a good price for a nice head of lettuce we can sell for 3 dollars a head so what's 50000 divided by 317 A Yes 17000 heads of lettuce but can you sell 17000 heads of lettuce. So that's where you've got to diversify now you know if you're starting out you have no idea how much can I sell stuff for how much do I need to grow how much will fit in a 100 foot bed so that's where it really helps to have information like this book here The market Gardner there is is a chart I'm going to show you here in just a 2nd that is worth the price of the book in my opinion and you're not going to get the kind of results you know I'm talking about 150000 there. And let me do you know I said we'd make a 150 or we've made 150000 but that was that was pretty much year round you know 10 months J.M. is doing it with about 6 months of marketing. You know he doesn't grow all winter I appreciate his balance he said you can't you can't keep up that pace year round so with us it's really ideal with 2 families you know Joshua does the fall and winter are C.S.A. spring summer goes from the beginning of April to the end of August and then we have a 2 week break because that's kind of the natural you know summer stuff Well let me say fall stuff we can start having by the middle of September so would take a little break and by the middle of September Joshua comes back with the fall and winter stuff and he goes well this year he quit early because he. He did all summer as well. They ended the end of December usually they go to fill February and then we take a couple couple months break because we're wanting to take all the stuff out of the hoop houses and get you know spring is our main season and that's when we earn the most money everybody's hungry for fresh after a long hard winter and if you can have that stuff early in the season Man you can sell a lot of produce in the early spring. Always best to start small and make small mistakes you know you're going to make mistakes it's just par for the course you know we started with $17000.00 strawberry plants and man we made big mistakes and so you know we'd love to spare you the pain but that may not work now your I don't know how well you can see this how good your eyes are but this is a this is a great chart he left this is J.M. in jams book you know his main crops total sales over a year or so. And then his price per pound or per unit and again he's not getting you know really high prices to $75.00 a pound for tomatoes that's good but not outrageous. Number of beds per season these are 100 foot beds and so you can see 4 beds of tomatoes brought in $35000.00 that's amazing. Revenue per bed per 100 foot bed $8800.00 again you know you've got to be careful with some of those numbers because that's that's that's amazing. We have never done that well and to maintain those course were were in Tennessee word tomatoes are a lot easier to grow He's in Quebec so that has something to do with it. As his top Well he gives a number of days in the garden remember Joshua talked about that this morning rank sales that's just you know. From the top from most money made to lease money but then the next column is really helpful as well rank revenue per bed so. How much did that crop make per bed and then he kind of lumps it into profitability high medium low and that's going to be you know it seems like no matter where you are in the country it's pretty similar and tomatoes are big salad greens are big. And then the other things carrots you know everybody loves carrots. The other things can have some regional variation but this is very helpful information for giving you some kind of idea well how much can I make on a bed of lettuce $500.00 per bed for 50 for mesclun mix. So that's about right you know $300.00 heads per bed getting $3.00 a pound you know they're not all going to be marketable so $500.00 a bed I think is a very reasonable return for a bed of lettuce that makes sense so this is where you start just kind of crunching some numbers and saying OK well how much do I need to grow here is you can see a little bit here those totes that we were talking about earlier. Notice we threw in a few flowers just for this was early spring the. What do you call those flowers Narcissus we're in and just add some beauty and fragrance to the box so if you if you say well we're going to do a C.S.A. although we kind of have discourage you from doing that starting out you're going to charge $30.00 a box you've got $26.00 weeks that's kind of a fairly normal C.S.A. length so it's going to be $780.00 per share so how many shares Gene need to make your 50000 it's going to be 65 shares will get you to the 50000 mark. That's that's a lot to bite off for a new grower you know one thing I'll say about C.S.A. is. You will have sleepless nights before your 1st C.S.A. box of the year where you wake up in a cold sweat where you say what am I going to put in these boxes. It can have some stress now obviously the longer you do it the more it's like it's amazing how the boxes fill up you know in the early spring we have water crest in our creek you know just growing wild we put watercress in the box and we've got mint and and you know radishes and lettuce we can have all that out of the box I mean out of the who pals is so. There is a certain level of stress with you know we've told them they're having a box this week and we've got to look at make it look good and pretty and make them satisfied that they're getting their money's worth although honestly many of our customers I feel like never equate the box with money it's like you know just sign me. They're not worried about money at the market it's like you know they don't they're not looking at well wait a minute I think you overcharge me for this they're like OK 20 bucks or. Farmer's Market option so you know you don't want it you don't want the commitment of C.S.A. So what about Farmer's Market. So again in now this is going to vary probably on where you are in the country but in our part of the country the. Normal farmer's market season is made to end of October. So again that's 26 weeks. Again you know we have produce beginning of April so that's why we started the C.S.A. then and then by beginning of May we're full steam ahead. So divide 50000 by 26 that's 2000 just under 2000 a week. If you go to 2 markets a week then that's a $1000.00 a market. You know it depends on on your region of the country and how good the market is you know that could either be a good market for you or that could be a fairly poor market for us at this point with our market you know a $1000.00 is not a great market it's an OK market in the spring we can we haven't quite broken $3000.00 yet a couple times we've gotten really close to the 3000 mark. But you know probably over the course of the whole season I would say average sales is probably $1200.00 a market what happens after spring the sales drop way down and that's a challenge as my wife talked about. So you know that's that's doable as $1000.00 a market but again starting out that may be a bit challenging So how about if you split it up some so you could do 40 C.S.A. shares and 800 dollars a week at farmer's markets that start sounding a little bit more reasonable 40 shares if you have 2 deliveries a week that's only 20 shares. Each time so you know again this is just kind of throwing out an example to to help you to see the kind of mental. Mental gymnastics you need to be doing so then once you kind of come up with an this is what we feel like we need to make then you have to come up with a garden plan well what crops do you want to grow how much of each crop do you want to grow the number of beds number of plants number of seeds and this is where I think you can see it gets quite I mean I can still remember very clearly the 1st year we started doing this and it was totally overwhelming you know I opened up the Johnnies catalogue in my eyes are just glassing over and it's. What do I do you know there's 10 different varieties of green beans how my suppose to know which one to buy and how many pounds of seed do I get and. It comes with time when do you need it for the market so so you kind of have to say OK well I want lettuce by the beginning of May So when do I need to plant it and you've got to work back and I wish it was just a simple as you know you've got to figure 6 weeks or whatever but as I hope all of you know and we'll talk more about in the winter gardening seminar Friday. That day linked to maturity is very much on a bell curve and. In the wintertime and in the early spring the days to maturity is not what it says on the packet. And Les you figure that out quick you're going to be in trouble because all your produce is going to bunched together and you're going to have this excess Oh. So you've got to work back and say OK well I need to see this much lettuce on this day and this much on this day and so on so this is called the crop calendar and here is a simple example again this is from Jay M's book and this is another reason why I recommend this book because he's got so much practical information in there so you see the 1st column of course he has the crop and then the 2nd column this is when he wants the harvest June 16th for spinach So when does he need to seed it indoors and now he notice he's transplanting his spinach here so he needs a seated on April 22 which is going to give him a transplant day of May 9th and he's doing 2 beds and so he's got another chart that tells him OK He's doing it at this pacing so 2 beds is going to take this many plant and so that's what he's got a seed on on May 9th that makes sense and so you go through each crop figuring that out now of course that's for for harvest on June 16th but then you've got to harvest on June 25 and then July 2nd and yeah yeah you've got to have this stuff coming on every week so I I don't want to scare you but I want you to see that this is not just well let me plan a future raise lettuce and see what I can do with it. So then once you've got your crop calendar then you make a garden plan. And let me just stop and say this J.M. is very much a planner he's very detailed in his crop planning and that's not a bad thing at all in fact I would say it's a good thing but different personalities handle things differently and concrete more is very much more laid back in his planning. He kind of just plant some stuff every week start some stuff in the house and. When he's got a bed that sympathy he looks in his hoop house and you know this is this is ready to go so he puts it in there and he ends up composting a lot of transplants but in his mind and I would agree with him seed is cheap you know even even when you're paying a dollar a seed for to make greenhouse tomatoes That's how much you have to pay for some greenhouse varieties of tomatoes that's a tomato you know one tomato So yeah you think that's a lot to pay for seed but it's all relative. So. You may and as my wife admitted We're not super you know I try I've tried so many times over the years to get really detailed about this but. J.M. and you know. What I like to have is just the simple and again it's easier for me because I've done it long enough but you know I just know. First week in February this is what I need to plant this many trays of this this many trays of this. And just have a list by the week of what I need to plant and then a general garden plan OK this year are brought because they're going in this pad you know you work up a crop rotation so my planning is not as detailed as J M's and that could well be why I'm not making as much as. But again you know some of it's personality if if if you lose the joy of it. If it becomes a burden then you know why not do something else which you can make more money at it it's got to you've got to wake up feeling excited about getting out there and working in the garden and if you lose that something's wrong. So you can see here this is one plot he has 16 beds per plot so he's got to have 2 rows of sprinklers per plot by 8 rows 8 beds per plot you can get by with one row of sprinklers down the center. But here's his early cue Khirbet and brought us a cup last he's planting 3 rows 3 beds of broccoli maybe 15. Well then he's got. 5 MORE May 20 he grows a lot of broccoli that's it's kind of amazing even though broccoli is kind of a joke among market gardeners because it's such. Such a low return perscribe. And you know it's pretty much a one time harvest. But he's he's got a large C.S.A. and so you need to grow broccoli OK where are these crops going in your garden how long will they stay there you know I mean it would be easy if you could just fill a plot and take it all out at the same time that would be easy but it's not that simple because you've got to keep that succession planting going which means they're going to be coming out in succession and. Yeah it gets very complicated how does it fit into your crop rotation Eliot Coleman talks a lot about crop rotation. What I will say regarding that is that as the market gardening world. Matures maybe you could say there seems to be less and less emphasis on crop rotation and the reality is especially if you're growing year round you can only rotate so much your winter crops they're basically all brushed because. Lettuces which is Aster a CA or Shanna Poti a CA which is your spin it just Swiss chard. Beets you know those 3 families make most of your winter crops. Soul you know having a 9 year rotation or a 10 year rotation like Elite Coleman talks about becomes challenging and then of course you're dealing with multiple crops on the same bed in one year so you know the long and short of crop rotation is just don't try to plant the same thing in the same place. That that's really simple and if you want to get really complicated with it you can just try to to vary it as much as you can and Eliot would say even go so far as you know if you can if you can't move it around that much just if you planted romaine lettuce there next time plant bid or you know even a different variety of lettuce you know because they all have different growth habits and so on so you're just trying to vary it you're not mano cropping. Ways to collect your data if you're good at spreadsheets you can do it there you know you just get a good spread sheet and plug it all in some people just use a notebook or clipboard you know Eliot I mean he has no books and no books and no books of plant records through the years. AG squared is another option there's a new one that Aubrey mentioned tend to tend dot com I think has. Some improvements over AG squared but basically it's online software that. You know rather than insuring the same data in multiple places you know you've got your crop plan and then you've got your garden plan and so on it integrates all that seamlessly in so you put in your information this is when you want to you want to plant it but you know how it goes you know sometimes you don't always plant when you want to so you can just slide the bar over to when you actually planted it and it's going to just automatically as to when it thinks the harvest is going to be ready so you can look into it they'll give you a 15 day free trial you can get it and play around with that. 10 T E N D 10 dot com it's there they seem to be really trying to cater to the needs of the market gardener and continually adding stuff and you know taking a lot of the the. The WORK OUT OF PLANNING like for example you know you put in this is your plug trays you're using since we don't use plugs trays I'm not real familiar with them but 70 eight's or something is there's 70 Tuesday OK so you're using 72 plug trays and you're you're planting this many trades well. You know you just say how many beds how long your beds are and the spacing and it'll tell you how many trays you need how many seeds you need to buy and so on so it can be helpful in taking a lot of this headache out of of of the planning so AG squared and tend to that I'm aware of OK the. It is important to keep track of dates for planting transplanting in harvesting because without that information you're not going to you think you're going to remember it all but you know there's so much going on in your mind that you never remember it you know you do all these little trials OK Will this I did this way in this I did this way if you don't write it down you come back and harvest OK I know I was doing something here but I can't remember if it was that those plants or those you know so the more you can the better records you can keep the more you're going to be able to next year say OK. I was a little early on my spinach I need to to push the planting date back a week you know my my lettuce clumped up here so I've got to spread out my my seedings a little more. So so that information is really helpful water your yields per bad you know I showed you the chart with J M's yields years maybe better years maybe worse. So you can measure yield per bed per 1000 square feet or per acre or come up with your own measurement but you want to standardize it so and I think J.M. has kind of standardized it on a 100 foot bed which is really simple so all his calculations are done per 100 foot bed the thing about a 100 foot bed is it's manageable we use to have $300.00 beds and that is not motivating to harvest crew $300.00 bed it's. I've got to go all the way down there whereas a 100 foot bed you know that's that's not much I mean that's about the width of this building here it's OK I can see that and I can make it there and it motivates your crew to work better. Varieties notes concerning variables as to performance cetera you know the more details you get with this the quicker you're going to achieve economic success I think that's fair enough to say you can use the notebook AG squared so here's a few metrics. And again you don't want to base it totally on this but but these kind of help you keep track of is this crop really making money can I should I keep growing this so one way is. Dollar value per container I'm going to see if I can quickly find in the lean farm book here we go approximate dollar value per 14 gallon tote So he has a range of ginger $360.00 per tote. Down to watermelons $20.00 per tote So if your market garden or China maximize your space which are you going to grow you know it takes the same amount of labor toting that thing around you going to grow $20.00 worth of watermelons or $360.00 worth of ginger. Let's look at some others garlic $325.00 salad mix $80.00 per tote onions $30.00 per tote you know there's there's reasons why market gardeners focus on certain crops it's because those are where you can make your money you can also look at yield per square foot you know when when we 1st started winter growing Eliot Coleman had kind of set a metric of $5.00 a square foot over the winter that's what he wanted to make and so that was kind of set that as a goal so you've got $3000.00 square foot hoop house. That's $15000.00 per winter off here who powerhouse How much does a hoop house that size cost if you put it up yourself. It'll run you right it $10000.00 depending on the trade rate with China and the tariffs you know Steel going up. How many other investments do you know that you can you can pay off in one year and actually make a profit on that. There's you know who pals growing has tremendous potential and there are many people making with much more than $5.00 a square foot it used to be $20000.00 an acre. You know was considered a minimum Korean I think I figure a good yield of corn will give you maybe sweet corn maybe $12000.00 an acre that's doing well. That's just not enough you know most crops you want them to be yielding at least $100000.00 an acre. Even if you're not growing in acres worth of them you know you figure out that's that's what she would get another 5 metric to kind of play with is how much are you making per hour in your harvesting. Can you can you harvest $30.00 worth of produce an hour that that was kind of the old metric but Conor Crick Moore says you need to be making a $100.00 an hour in your harvesting so radishes are $3.00 a bunch so you need to be able to harvest and wash and pack. $3030.00 bunches of radishes an hour. That's not impossible although I mean it depends on we pressure and the health of your radishes how much how much selecting you have to do but if you've got a good bed of radishes and you're just you know bunch picking him and punching him washing him off. But that just gives you an idea OK Well can I can I harvest $100.00 worth of strawberries an hour probably not actually Harvey strawberries are a great crop to sell but they're actually quite difficult to grow so I'm just going to mention a few things from Ben Hartman's lean farm book BEN HARTMAN are the lean system talks about the 5 S's actually some have added a 6 asked Jonathan my son who does farmer's friend he's big into lean manufacturing and so I'm learning from him and he brings in people who do training on lean lean manufacturing so the 6 S. is safety but the nice thing about 6 asks is it's a lot like success successes the successes that she want to have. Sort ruthlessly eliminate anything not absolutely necessary for your production system one of the big challenges of small farms is too much junk you know too many tools that you're not using So get rid of all of that stuff that's cluttering your progress that you're tripping over only keep those things that are actually going to make you money. Set in order is the 2nd S.. In my son Caleb and I have been working hard on this. In our barn you know we've got a big old tobacco barn that we've renovated and you know we are making a place for everything that can hang out and we're labeling it so everybody knows where that goes and so it's never a question of where is this or what am I supposed to do with this well just go look and put it back where you got it from you know you would be amazed at how many hours are spent looking for tools and. It's ridiculous you can't make money wondering around your farm looking for tools. You know set it in order and again put your tools where you going to use them as close to your going to where you're going to use them as possible that's another thing on our list of things to do we're going to put 2 tool walls we have a tool wall but it's up at the bar and we're going to put 2 tool walls by where our hoop houses are so you're only ever you know 20 paces from the tool you need rather than walking all the way up to the barn. Shine You want to keep it clean and well lit standardise. Standardize everything you can don't have a bunch of different odd containers around to figure out which containers work best for you so they all stack. This is huge tools you know do you need 5 different cultivating tools or can you standardize down to 2 then Hartman uses one harvesting knife you know rather than a bunch of different kinds you've got to figure that out but the more you can do that the more efficient you're going to be sustain little attentions often repeated for us this was a step we took quite a few years ago Friday is not a normal work day on the farm we do know normal Well I shouldn't say I mean there are exceptions in rare cases but for the most part Friday is a day to sustain to do the cleaning that didn't get done during the week to put away in any tools that are where they go to do all those little things that make you more efficient through the rest of the week and of course for us it's also preparing us for the Sabbath which we can enter into much more at peace and rest you know I know too many admin is far Murs right don't know too many had been a smart arse but I I I wish I knew more admin is farmers but there are too many people I know of who enter into Sabbaths it's like OK you know they're they're putting away the last tools and they're running inside the wash their hands off as the sun's going down that's not God's plan I don't believe. So again the 6 S. A sustain and here are 4 principles of establishing lean habits from the beginning these are things that. Hartman talks about putting your 10000 hours or any of you familiar with the 10000 hour I guess what was the book there was some book Tipping Point OK So the idea is that to really master something you need to do it for $10000.00 hours. That's a little discouraging but hey it's there's more truth to it than you might want to admit. You know the more of those 10000 hours you can put in on somebody else's farm the less mistakes you're going to make yourself you know it's more fun to learn from somebody else's mistakes than your own. Test in small batches don't you know when you come up with this great new idea don't transform your farm all at once from what was working to what you think is going to be better test to make sure it's going to work in small batches add infrastructure capacity in small increments again we we needed a lot of this advice but we didn't have it when we were starting out. You'll be much more wise in your investing if you invest in small increments you know don't add 3 hoop houses in one year. In fact I've heard a good rule for hoop houses don't add a new who pals until you're maximizing the use of what you've got and then you add another who pals. Avoid bad debt is it investment or is it speculation I'll tell you if you are new at small farming and you take out a loan to start your farm you're in trouble because that's bad debt. If if you know what you're doing and I don't think Matt dealy would mind me saying this they are they are borrowing money this year to improve their farm because they know they have the market they know what they're doing that's investment you know so so I know we want to be very careful about debt and ideally we want to stay totally out of debt but I could tell you I don't from my study debt is not sin. Debt is to be avoided if at all possible and if you're in it you want to get out as quickly as possible but there may be times when borrowing a little money if you feel confident in what you're doing is not all bad so. Yeah the slide that was missing there that I'll end on. I won't end on the slide because it's not in this one I'm sorry I just pulled up the wrong presentation was on how much can you expect to make and how much does it cost to start to start up. If if you know what you're doing I've known farmers. Who have made 60000 their 1st year there's a farm up in Michigan northern Michigan 1st year was 60002nd year was I think a 180000. You know in 3 years and they're they're running with it. But it was it was a couple they had both worked on farms for multiple years they knew what they were doing they had a plan there's a farm in northern Idaho that just started up 2 years ago I think the 1st year they made 30000 the 2nd year I think was 60000 and they're hoping to double that this next year. The one I'm talking about is called Moose meadow they moved from Maine really they knew what they were doing so you know those are reasonable numbers if you know what you're doing. If you don't don't expect that and just expect that there's going to be a learning curve. You know I've told you what we're doing we've been doing it 20 years. As far as investment you know J.M. has some numbers in his book I think he talks about like 35000 or something. This is what I would say. I would say a minimum investment would be $5000.00 just for some basic tools and stuff. Ideally if you know what you're doing well let me just say this you're never going to finish investing in your farm you're always going to be upgrading and adding I hope to get to the point someday. Where we have all the infrastructure we want. And we're just maintaining and I believe when we get to that point we can net 60 percent I think that's reasonable but as long as you're in the building phase of a farm you're going to be doing well to net 40 percent. So if you know I said on the low end 5000 on the high end you know sky's the limit but 50000 you can easily spend 50000. On all the kinds of things I listed in the handout that she got earlier on but this is what I really end with and that is just the reality that is it a calling has Do you feel God Calling you to do it and if you do money is not the limiting factor. God's biddings are enabling us right. So. Don't be discouraged if you don't have that kind of money to invest and years saying will. You know what I hope to I have. Guide will open ways there's also a way we could tell you all kinds of stories I've already heard stories of others here at the conference this weekend. Of amazing Providence and I'm going to share some Sabbath morning if you get up bright and early for the devotional So that's really the bottom line you know don't go into it for the money I think I've tried to prove that you can make a decent living at it with the hard work and planning and so on but you go into it I believe you should go into it because you feel God Calling you to it for us it was for our family 1st and foremost I wanted to do something that I could be home based and that I could work with my kids and that was that was what the Lord opened up for us. You know we wanted as my wife said he strongly impressed us that we were to focus you know I was focused on Lord Howe my going to support my family and he made it very clear you don't worry about that you focus on service and I'll take care of the rest and that's our testimony so again I hope we haven't overwhelmed you but we want to be as realistic as possible it's not an easy thing to get into. But there's hope in the soil and we need more advantages market gardeners you heard about the witnessing opportunities there's incredible opportunities this media was brought to you by audio groups a Web site dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse or if you would like to listen to more sermon leave Visit W W W dot audio Verse dot org.

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