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  • June 15, 2019
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In this generation there are so many crazy things going on the world what are some general principles and practical methods we can do to create godly families find out on this episode of In verse. Coming to you from Silver Spring Maryland welcome to. The Bible based conversation on life principles contemporary issues and thought provoking spin now here's your host just until within the welcome to in verse we are in the midst of the season of talking about families this entire 13 week segment and we've covered mothers and fathers and culture and that one episode and sexuality I mean you go you want to hear that was a really good one and this episode we're talking about families of faith so let's have a word of prayer Siku and you lead us in prayer. Loving Father would like to thank you for the gift that we have in families and we pray that the families were a part of whether they have our logical families extended families spiritual families that you could help us to come together to draw closer you know relationship with you let's all study if you're waiting any We pray Amen you know go to Acts chapter 10 X. Schefter 10 verse one through $28.00 is a story about core New Yes let's get down to verse 4034 and 35 and Jonathan can you read that for us X. 103435 just please. Then Peter opened his mouth and said In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality but in every nation wherever fears him and works righteousness is accepted by hand OK so we live in a crazy time there's an international culture there's different peoples out there and as time gets nearer to the coming 2nd coming of Jesus the world's going crazier and crazier and we have to demarcating line between culture and where God godliness should be end this is kind of there's a tension in the church and that tension is definitely felt in the family is true what is the demarcating line we're up to what point we allow culture to come in is culture good bad is it all worldly and what does Cornelius's verse have to do. There's a lot to be said about culture and I don't think that there is like a specific answer as to you know when discord should begin Is there a heavenly culture is culture a result of sin the culture exists before sin and so I think when it comes to just the discussion of culture itself and those elements I do you we can spend a whole episode just talking about defining culture. And. Before the line of demarcation is is found in that in verse 35 were fears him and works righteousness is accepted and of this is culture I don't know if this is Heaven's culture but theirs is talking about acceptance at least in the song about the fact that God except except those who fear him and those who do the work of righteousness so wherever there is the fear of God and righteousness then that's acceptable to God Whenever there isn't that fear of God or that or the work of unrighteousness then no matter how awesome your culture is that's not acceptable to God there's these extremes that only go to $11.00 extreme is like culture is relevant it's actually evil it's a vestige of selfishness and sin and it needs to be eliminated and there's the other extreme where culture needs to be protected by religion and protected in worship and culture is to be venerated Where is that line John. I'm going to give you the answer now. On that if I can answer that fully but for me culture in a way to dynamics that happen here you have one expression human and a collective expression of many humans that builds certain social understanding's and culture but then you also have the element that we are designed to kind of learning from each other so you said previous episode he said you know the more I hang out with you then why I will be like you is so you have those 2 dynamics coming together and own thing. Those are that there's more reality on those who Then I mix the question is what is God's role in those 2 dynamics is there that he effect that because if he can effect that if if God can live through me I can affect other people in a positive rights this way but I believe that culture itself the dynamics of culture are not immoral that's just part of what life is but what flows into it is the question and who do I behold has. I guess because we are talking about culture and a lot to think of. My understanding what culture is culture is how the group of people. Behave so though the way that you eat is a cultural aspect to the way that you dress is a cultural aspect the way that you the rituals that you observe are part of a culture so culture is how a group of people come together and as a group of people how they live their lives and I think in that sense there are stipulations guidelines principles from the Bible for what our culture should look like when we are part of God's family so the way that we dress the way that we eat the way that and so you'll find that sometimes people from opposite parts of the world could find more similarity because they believe in the Bible could find more similarity between themselves because they subscribe to principles from Scripture then they would find similarities to their cousin who they grew up with because the way they eat is Bible based and the way their cousin is based on how their ancestors ate and it's an interesting point so I do think that there is an element of a Biblical culture that maybe it doesn't dictate every aspect of our lives in the way that when you when you grow up in a certain country in a sort of community you know there are norms to everything but the principles that underlie the way that a heavenly culture emerges it's in truth I think what we're doing is that when it comes to faith and culture that faith takes precedent and from this perspective you can look at cultural analytically we have an opportunity to criticize and evaluate culture so some aspects of our culture are really neutral and in some ways they make better milieu rate of the gospel message and some aspects of culture are completely antithetical to the Gospel and to be caught I mean sometimes very difficult difficult to do let me ask you then very interesting if 3 of you are from multicultural families. You have married a Korean him. Wow You know that's that's why. You have Mary Jamaican Chinese. Made occasion Chinese forgive me and then you know and then you are your spouse is American the Filipino folk you know American and how have let me ask you how in the midst of your cultural diversity have you anchored your free especially when you're creating families and children so much from the struggles and some of the things that guided you in that process is something that that we've actually found to be a blessing is the fact that we have the Bible to fall back on or rather to begin with. And we were discussing this a. Couple weeks ago that actually because we come from different cultural backgrounds it makes us critical of the way that we do things so if there is a difference it makes us pause and think OK is this difference just because you know I grew up in Zimbabwe and you grew up in America is it because of your Filipino background like where is this different come and what what does script of being bring to bear in terms of how we resolve this so it's it's actually helped us to be more critical of the backgrounds that we came from and try to establish habits a lifestyle that is in line with what the Bible says so in that sense it's been a blessing Here's an example of that I mean bring it out to real think about that I mean because I realize you know that Israel we come from 2 very different vastly different starting points my wife and myself. When we when we got married so the challenge that you have in the differences is not just the you come from 2 different backgrounds in terms of nationalities she's crew from a Korean background I come from Mexican background I realized over time as I've grown up how Mexican I really am in terms of in terms of the stereotypical ideologies of Mexican families and I also realize how Korean my wife is. And though she's lived in the United States her whole life and the traditional stereotypical elements of of the Korean culture and so that when 2 people are coming together when families are being built even if you marry within your same culture within your same within your same nationality every family establishes its own culture because you grow up differently so very different from any other Mexican American family living in the United States because we have different values and so the 1st thing that we had to do was recognize that number one we come from 2 different nationalistic cultures and number 2 that even though we were both you know growing up here in the United States from an American perspective there's differences and so what we had to do within our own families fear was we had to intentionally make efforts to make our own family culture and so we said we come from 2 different families we don't want our children to lean one family over the other and so we you know we are the Ramos family but we also have the noncom bone and my wife's last name is not we instilled within our children you're not half Korean half Mexican half American how do you what are some ways that you did that you actually just sat you are not I told him I said you know we tell I tell my kids you're not half Mexican half Korean you're fully Mexican you're fully Korean you're fully American you're all these different things and the values that we're trying to instill in our children is not to 1st of all identify themselves in that way that's a it's a critical component of their identity but that's not their primary identity their primary identity is always found in Scripture and so you know there's in scripture there is culture the Jewish culture and every single Sabbath you know we're 7 down in every single Sabbath we get the horn and you know the oldest boy blows the horn and that welcomes the Sabbath and our youngest of. 4 and then and then now he plays the trumpet you know and our youngest are and then our youngest boy you know he reads the Bible he reads a text from songs and he well. The Sabbath in the middle boy lights the candles that represent everyone our family wish so now we have this you know a lot of people think I'm Jewish I might as well write yes. So we you know we create in that way we create our own family culture and I hope that when the kids grow up and they start their own they'll take elements of our culture not identifying as this is my Mexican part of my Korean part of my American part but this is my Ramos part this is what I take from my family growing up interesting Justin. Well we don't have children but we have a cap and so we have told our cat. Not me I'll go now that's always a point. Well you know. I think in a way my generation them a millennial generation we are very much we see ourselves as citizens of the world so we don't identify primarily with one of the other even if I you know I might not I'm Austrian But you know I'm over here and then you know I also love Canada My wife's from you know it's just like I don't even know where I am so it's the end of the day a confused person you. Know you're in there right now and so I think what it comes down is what I have been already said to Scripture is what faith and scripture means to define my culture and as the more behold God the more you know the culture of this world is driven out or I guess sanctify the parts that are OK I don't know if you can say it that way but you know I'm saying Scripture and the faith define our culture my wife and I we had to learn you know to communicate and I think less than culture was more the element of learning how to how to communicate with each other coming from such diverse backgrounds were communications very different so it was not so much the nationalistic mortar you know those kind of like we're looking at the struggle between faith and culture in the context of families when we come back we'll look at our practical ways you can have faith trump our family life and especially as we transcend these values to the next generation or children. As immersed in a Blessing to you Do you have questions or comments or feedback you'd like to leave us find us on social media by searching. On Facebook Twitter Instagram for you to while you join us like. I handle again in 1st Bible states and now back to the discussion. In the book of Acts right in the beginning. And you have this Tower of Babel reversal with the gift of tongues coming down and all these different languages being being understandable and the Gospels open in this grand opening with all these all these conversions that are happening and then the Gospel goes from Jerusalem to Judeo to some area but right in between especially in the military barracks there are 3 testimonies that happen 3 conversion stories one Philip goes to the Ethiopian 2nd Saul is converted and 3rd Peter's goes to Cornelius the Italian The question is why are these 3 testimonies interjected between where the Gospel goes from Judeo to some area where there's a connection between from X. to the The Book of Genesis and right before the Tower of Babel you have the sons of Ham sham and j 5th and the whole world comes back to these 3 sons of Noah and so what the Gospel is saying in the got in the book of Acts is that whether you're a son of him and you feel being a son of show him the story of of Saul or the earth Cornelius the Italian a son of G. 5th It doesn't matter what nationality you are the gospel triumphs to all peoples and from that point on Broome the Gospel go so the whole world so this is very clear that the Gospel the faith identity our families comes 1st and then culture comes 2nd culture is not bad but must always be subjected to face so let me ask you order what are some things and we were always we are raising families and what are some practical things we can do to make faith 1st in our families and this goes with faith and culture I think one of the things that engender US culture is sharing the history of you know your background you know so you and your grandmother was whatever they lived in the village and those those kind of stories impart a certain cultural identity I guess to our children and you know when we tell stories from the. I will and they become part of their identity locate God told Noah to build a boat so no a boat a boat that would float and you know it we tell those stories and they become part of our children's identity it becomes part of who they are so that the faith the the faith of the Bible and the stories of the Bible I think telling stories and bringing stories into our children's lives makes them a part I guess of the so even though it's part of the Jewish culture you take the spiritual identity and you link it which is what the new test is basically saying we're all children we're all Jews are children of Abraham and and connecting that history to this and that's not a thought and just well again I don't have kids so I can't really speak from experience but what you do if you and your wife and our cats. And your cat Well I think I think one thing that comes to very important to me is what I find in Philippians chapter 3 can quickly go there verse 20 and chapter 3 verse 2020 it says here for our citizenship is in heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the savior to Lord Jesus Christ so our citizenship is not with anything here on earth our true citizenship is in heaven and so to have that adds to it of I will lift up my head towards where I am going and where I belong that it's something that my wife and I you know we want to keep in mind all the time we don't want any small nuances of culture or different opinions that are based in culture to define our actions and the way we interact we wanted to be coming from God And I mean one day when we have to when I want them to all who see themselves as citizens having as pilgrims on this path right now we hear that we are living for a better land we are on the way to to heaven. We when we we actually take time to discuss our family values on a periodic basis and we sit down with our kids and we talk about. What defines us as what makes us a family unit and in our family there are 3 things that we really focus on number one is vacation time we want to make sure that we're spending time together as a family and so we value that time off from work where we disengage with our normal routine and we spend time together as a family these family times are valuable for us because this is a time when we can share with our children what it means to use our free time in service for others or in experiencing nature or in building each other's relationships we want people to understand the value of family the other thing is that we have in terms of what defines us as a family unit is opting to go outside we live in a society more and more where it's just or inside inside inside on the media and so forth and so on and so we have our family value one of our family values is to opt outside let's get out in nature and this to us is very important because it is a nature that you experience God I mean there are so many beautiful places in this world and and these places give us a picture of God you know as we go outside you look at the trees the trees are different sizes different shapes they're not all lined up perfectly it shows you a picture of who God is can you imagine of all the trees were the same size and then one is shorter than the other it would drive you nuts right and so this gives you a picture of God and also it tells you God is a God of freedom he wants you to enjoy what he's given to you so we try to go outside as much as possible in the 3rd most foundational of all of our principles is a principle of scripture and our kids we make it a point to have our kids memorize the Bible their memorizing our tool disposer memorize in the book of Luke and so that's at the moment so that's one of the key things that they do and then every time every morning before we go to school we take the time to open the Bible and that's read just one verse in Scripture and that's all try to break it down together what does it mean what is. Same to you what is it trying to communicate to us at this time and I'm hoping that these values produce a culture of. Scripture of study in their lives and so in previous episodes we talked about how God had called his people to be intentional not only to live out their faith but also to diligently teach it to their children and that's that's the component that we try to do in these 3 principles Yeah I love that let's go to judges chapters to just started to see this in the Old Testament where each generation has to be really taught these values and it's repeated over and over again. So just chapter 2 verse 7 through 13 and John can you read it for us so the people serve the Lord all the days of Joshua and all the days of the elders who outlive Joshua who had seen all the great works of the Lord which he had done for Israel now draw showed a son of Nun the servant of the Lord died when he was 110 years old and they buried him with in the border of his inheritance to Miss Harris in the mountains of Ephrem in the north side of Mt gash gosh in all that generation have been gathered to the father to another generation arose after them who did not know to Lord nor the work which he had done for Israel so this is this work of family ministry is not something that's kind of a light ministry you know Christianity is always one generation away from extinction and raising our children in the face is a matter of is a life and death matter for the Christian movement from St It's when you think about it since it's a miracle that we have been around for this man this much time what are ways that not just for only our children but in our in our churches in taking up and taking up youth ministry or young adult ministry or campus ministry to get faith to the next generation I think a crucial point duce to have the next generation be part of the experience with God not to make that an exclusive thing were I have my experience with God in my devotional time and in my ministry but have the children join you in what you do for God don't make it a separate thing don't split them up you know have them together and I remember Israel and I went on a mission trip a couple of years ago to the Amazon jungle and he brought his whole family not as a sacrifice financially you know to bring everyone down there he does have so many children but. But but. You know perspective a lot about 100 Jack so I think I see. But I thought it was so beautiful to see you know the children involved in ministry with their parents and experiencing God That way there's nothing you know you can teach them the facts you can teach your stories and all those things have value but nothing can compare with an experience with them it's not just facts but it's what their experience and history together you know one of the greatest tools for me in my my job as a minister has been to try to minister to my children because it's easy for us to sit down and talk about these awesome theological truths but unless our children are able to grasp then they're useless you know to us personally when you look at Bible stories the greatest heroes of faith. Were heroes of faith because he ministered to their family like Abraham we are children of Abraham we are part of Abraham's family because Abraham did a great job of ministering to his family and so this is that was really his holy task His task was to keep your family faithful to God and as a result of that I'm going to give you an inheritance that cannot be numbered and so this is the this is really the ultimate task that God gives us to instill in our children the principles and the values of scripture and I think we owe it to ourselves as parents and to the children that are led to us to show them in the most practical and simple ways how Christianity ought to be lived out in their lives. I mean just speaking about the practical aspect I mean I just read this article talking about how parents sometimes can get frazzled with all the stuff that we need to do and and then plus the children and cetera and it was a very simple suggestion and the suggestion was bring the children into what you're doing you're doing laundry bring the children into doing laundry you know you're cleaning the house bring them into that experience as opposed to you know you guys go play and then I'm going to try and clean up and etc And I think just practically speaking like cleanliness is it's a Christian value you know and and teaching that in our everyday life so bringing making making the family unit part of is just your your life experience and I'm always inspired by the story of Abraham that you know God called Abraham to come out of his home country from his father's house and and God instilled in Abraham a culture that he needed to pass on to his children and teaches children about you know the way that God called him and etc what really inspires me about the life of Abraham is you had these long periods of Abraham just living like he was just living he was take care of the sheep he was you know and that's where faith happens that's where your faith happens in the every day when there's no huge there are no cameras on you. So there is no huge dramatic thing happening in your life it's just in the every day mundane stuff that's where faith happens and that's where faith is instilled in our family and that's what that's where you live to teach is this right Elijah went and he lived out his faith we was being chased he went to the brick care if you lived out his faith there but then he had to go to he had to ultimately go to the widow's house and to be really kind of like a father figure to the son and then experience that whole drama because if you're not a Christian at home you're not a Christian at all that's I think the message that the largest teaching. Or do we say to people who may have had a godly family who have tried to have done all the things that we talk about and still the values of faith were not transmitted to you know what are some things words of hope or some encouraging or counsel we can give to people maybe watching out there and say look I've done all this and I'm a 1000000000 years old but can you pray for my 1000000 year old son who is not driving away from the 1st thing that I draw courage from. As a parent is that you know God is a parent and God has experienced not having all his children be faithful you know and so the 1st encouragement for me is that Jesus understands that God understands and he understands the heart of a parent who is weeping for their child and praying that the A child will come into the fold and I mean if nothing else we can't promise that oh they will come one day if you do this that or the other if anything we can know that God understands and he's there with you in that experience you're not alone on that you know our Lord Jesus was a human being he still is a human being officers in heaven and he had a human mother and he hears the prayers of a mother a little bit with more care than anyone else so we ask if you are parents out there and pray for your children of the Lord hears these prayers we talked about how families are conduits of faith and we would encourage you to consecrate your families your children your parents your extended family to be a family of faith for the Lord Jesus Christ That's our prayer hope this yours thanks for joining us here in adverse You've been listening to inverse a Bible based conversation Sally word is wrong on Jonathan Walter Sebastian Braxton Siku doctor your host just an. 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