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Institutional 7th Day Adventist presses haven't addressed last generation theology for about 20 years but suddenly in 2018 last year several new books came off the press and. So we have. God's character in the last generation with I think 12 seminary professors. And we have George Knight in time events in the last generation the explosive $1950.00 S. and we have. Salvation I think this was 19 authors from the seminary and soteriology the study of salvation and this one came out last year and then in all humility saying no to last generation theology theology was another volume that came out suddenly after 20 years of of basically nothing suddenly 4 books at one time a total of totally coincidence I guess. Trees were manufactured into paper so that these books would exist and so that time was only going to give us a brief opportunity here to share from really from one of the books and so we're going to spend most of our time we do have here addressing this book God's character in the last generation which is a pretty familiar title after yesterday yesterday evening until now. Now along with George Knight's book this this book have been these 2 books have been distributed all across North American division they've been given to many of the pastors and many of the conferences I haven't been able to confirm that have been given to every single of the 59 conferences in North America but it's gone to many of our workers and so. We have a little widespread stirring that's come from this so now the issue set forth in God's character in the last generation they fall into 2 categories this we would call disagreements and misrepresentations Now before we consider that book though I think we need to double check something we were a pair of glasses that we don't even know we have on so our pastors and church school teachers go through denominational schools they're assigned what's called required reading. About administering and for decades the church is understanding of God minister history has been especially shaped by the writings of George Knight and Woodrow Wilson and fact I have a couple of their many volumes here. This is from 888 to apostasy this is George Knight's book about the life experience of a T. Jones. And then we have. By the way I'm not recommending all these books just you'll know the difference this book is Woodrow Whedon and the title of this one this is another biography This is the from physician of good news to Agent of division this is the biography of E.J. Wagner and so those are a couple of books just samples out of the many books that would or wouldn't and also George and I would have written. Now the years from 957 to the publication of questions on doctrine. From that time to the 1980 dismissal of Desmond Ford set up a changed theological landscape characteristic administers use about Jesus' obedience overcoming the closer probation and the ceiling didn't fit well in this new atmosphere and it was within this milieu of that what I would call the night when narrative the night with narrative arose the night when narrative provided an updated salvation understanding that was more evangelically defined teachings by key figures including as you saw a T. Jones E.J. Wagner M.L. Andrea sin and even Ellen White those figures their teachings and writings became the subject of updated shall we say explanations long years of book releases articles classroom representations and speaking of events made the the K.-W. when the night wooden. Narrative they made that the institutional self understanding of the church now George Knight's book in time events in the last generation. You know my wife was right about too many books. George Knight's book here introduces 2 lists and what I want to do is just go down these lists that George Knight has provided on page 79 of this book he has a list and he lists certain names and sort of a sequence and so those names are in order Herbert Douglas Collins Standish Russell Standish Denis pretty and then and then my name Larry Kirkpatrick So that's one list of persons that are called the The End Reus and supporters and then George Knight has another list in his book on pages 8286 he goes through and he calls these people the reactors these are people who have popularized persons who popularized a different view theologically and his list of the reactors you see there on the screen according again to a drawer tonight's list Ebert happens to all Desmond Ford Morris event in Hans later Cayla Randell George Knight and Woodrow wouldn't so I didn't really name these people George and I did now knight sees the inclusion of Desmond Ford and in actually a positive very positive way he actually says this in the book that I was just showing you. What so here is the quotation from page 841 area where 4 didn't happen stall found common ground was soteriology That's the doctrine of salvation here Ford has often been misunderstood according to night but he did the denomination a service by highlighting the fact there righteousness by faith in the New Testament is restricted to what Paul calls justification by faith and did not include sanctification. That's what George and I tells us and I want you to understand the significance of these things that we're hearing from these books night places his in forwards salvation theology in contrast with the church's previously established theology we shouldn't miss that night the night when the narrative writers have been with some success they have recast Jones and Wagner and they Melandri Assen as villains more or less and so that's that's kind of a challenge for us now it's true these people. Johns and Wagner did depart in many respects from that they failed after they were treated poorly and they still have their own you know their own responsibility for their failure but still what we really want in history is an honest history we don't want a spin history we want to be really careful with our facts and what we say about those facts so. So where are me there they are. More books. So what I have here is. I've created a little downloadable resource that anybody who wants to can download and we didn't this is not one of the handouts we have a hand I will get to in a couple minutes but there is a resource here and this is my website great controversy dot org began in 1907 and has been up and down a couple times but has been running for at least a year now since it had was down last but great controversy dot org is my Web site and all these resources will be available there for you if you see the pain on the left side if you go down to there's an email list you can subscribe to if you go down towards his resources if you're watching this online or you want to get this resource I'm telling you about all you can go there words as resources and at the top at the very top most One is the one we put I put up the other day which is for this seminar the symposium and there's something called the some initial some initial It's called the night when I remember what I called it here some initial resources correcting the night with narrative and it's just a payout a list of 4 pages of footnotes from these books this is Ron Duffield return of the latter A in volume one and this is a really wonderful history book that helps us understand it gives us another slant on history and there are a lot of footnotes here this goes through the period working way up into 888 and then this is another one by Ron Duffield and this is called wounded in the house of his friends and the resource that I'm mentioning to you is just a list of footnotes from their books that you can look at yourself where they document some misrepresentations or representations that are made by wooden and some others that are shall we say problematic sometimes and sometimes worse than problematic and now wrong Duffield doesn't know I was going to mention these so he has total deniability. But those I would recommend those books to anybody who has an interest in following this up and checking for themselves so not saying that everything that night and wouldn't have said is progress wrong I'm not saying that at all I'm only saying that when it comes to certain areas of administering there's a certain slander there's a certain. Viewpoint that's been expressed and it has become the established viewpoint really among among North American Adventists and there are some some really. Substantial problems in several places with that so you can look at that and study it for yourself if you'd like well let's go on to our our books. Are wonderful book here so by the way. A lot of the authors in this book I know them and know anything against them these are a lot of good people not when I say the things I'm going to say here passing on into our actual looking at the book a little bit and none of it I hope comes across as mean spirited and in any way I think these are good people like them all to be my neighbors both here on Earth and in the nuking the Neuwirth. But there are some times when we have to look at the same material and disagree because these are matters that are really important I mean it comes down to what is our identity as a people. So let's talk a little bit a band then about the. About that about that book I want to 1st of all give you 3 general observations about God's character in the last generation of the book so 1st of all this is a book of opinions. And so what you're going to see here and we won't read them all but you're going to see there in their slides that there's a lot of opinions represented in this book Here's just a few of them it seems then that humans would not be able to perfectly overcome it tends to place the emphasis on human works and suggests this it's it appears this way it it suggests this this could be had makes it seem it could have been on the page numbers are all there if you want to look at them it tends to imply page 37 such an argument insinuates this page 114 all the way through the book this book God's character in the last generation is very largely a book of opinions and that's one thing to to understand as we begin to look at the book Secondly I'd like to point out that the book is filled with mischaracterizations synthetic blob statements and straw men. For example. God's character in the last generation presents the following and I call it a blob statement this is. This is a term a few slides We'll look at here that gives you kind of a summary viewpoint of supposedly what last generation theology is so let's see what this blog statement says some Adventists affirm what has come to be known as the last generation theology well G.T. because on to say we might minimally define it as the view that there must be a last generation of humans who become absolutely sinless and perfect in order to provide the grounds to vindicate God's character and when the great controversy. In this regard generally speaking L G T affirms that an additional phase of atonement is necessary beyond the ministry of Christ in order to finally defeat Satan specifically there must be a final entirely sinless generation of humans that by completely overcoming sin provides the grounds for the vindication of God's character playing a crucial role in deciding the victor in the great controversy in this view then Satan was not that defeated at the cross some group of humans must become perfectly sinless in order for Satan to be defeated That's page 17 of that book almost every part of the statement is a misrepresentation no one on the planet holds such a belief as that statement word for word the way it was given it's a false representation and you know you put one up and you can take it down very easily and there's no reason for there to be a false statement like that because those of us who have addressed this kind of a theme have done and I think with usually with some care another example of an unfair representation in God's character in the last generation is is is this statement this is page 104105 So here's what. Here's what the Blue Book says God's character the last generation the sacrifice of Jesus is said to be of sufficient value to save me but it is not said to be of complete sufficiency and merit in subtle ways that L G T affirms the insufficiency of Christ's sacrifice in the added value of one's obedience to the experience of salvation such obedience is unmistakably meritorious Well when I read that I was interested because he was quoting from my book or at least he was talking about my book. Cleansing clothes last generation theology and 14 points so if you'll indulge me just one moment I'm going to read what I actually wrote page 65 and 66 from my book. Here's what I actually said we cannot possibly keep the commandments of God without the regenerating grace of Christ do we realize how ready he is to empower to recreate he is seeking us desiring to make us conduits for faith he does not save us by law neither will he save us in disobedience to law neither faith nor obedience saves but neither does salvation come without the obedience of faith without the faith that obeys authentic Christianity is impossible and then down the page just a bit further I said this all the merit toward my salvation comes through Jesus his merit is valuable enough to save but that is only the objective portion of a 2 part plan my obedience is also necessary now listen in itself it is insufficient to save me it is a non meritorious condition and a necessary but insufficient condition so we're not saved by our obedience and it's not meritorious and in my book I said it's not meritorious but in the other book they said I said it was meritorious because you can decide which one do you think so anyway that's another example from that book now if you go down the 3rd item here just these are just 3 general points about the book God's character in the last generation. Most of God's character in the last generation doesn't even refer to authentic statements by the named contemporary L.G. T. authors it attacks so if you look at the book there's 936 footnotes. So I went through the Footnotes of 9 of the 14 chapters do not refer in any place to these at these L G T source documents that I spoke about none of the chapters There's don't even refer to it and then in the in the chopper notes half of the chapter notes cited George night or Woodrow Wilson more often than they cite the source documents half the footnotes in a rather half the chapters so those are 3 general observations it's a book of opinions it has blob statements that sort of characterize us as teaching us and so when we don't and then finally it it doesn't really use the main source documents the way it probably should so those are 3 general things now let's talk about some specifics in here I think there's been a handout that you've all received it's just a little helper hand out I've taken the many charges here and condensed them really into 6 there's more but anyway we can look at these 6. As we look at this so if you look at the handout and we'll we'll have a link here yeah you have a handout on the screen and those of you that might be watching this again at a future time or if somebody is watching online you'll see a link in a minute from my website where you can get the a handout you can download the P.D.F. if you wish that we can put that up right now so I'd like to go through this and just tell you quickly about this this little handout there's 4 columns the 1st column categorizes the charge the 2nd column in bold gives the guards character and last generation gives their basic complaint what they're saying about what our teaching is. The 3rd column presents short quotations and references from the book in it also shows interesting Lee similar claims from books by George night because all the things pretty much that you'll find in this book have virtually all been said by him many many times over for the last 30 or 40 years just kind of repeated We're kind of repeating those things over and over so and then in the last call on the 4th column you'll see a little bit more accurate representation maybe of what we do believe with with references so anyway let's look now at each of these charges so I'd like to go to the 1st of the 6 charges I want to address here and I want to look at the question about it being dependent on humans so here's what here's the charge that L G T makes the charges that L G T makes God dependent on humans so years ago in a search for identity one of George Knight's book he wrote this and Drea since final generation theology he said makes God dependent upon human beings namely the administration which for his justification and final triumph That's PAGE 152. And God's character in the last generation the blue and white book also as it does with most most of Knight's other charges it repeats this claim Here's what it says in page 17 of the book the 2018 book L G T makes God's victory in the great controversy dependent upon the fidelity of mere creatures thus requiring the view of the divine revelation and action are insufficient to win the great controversy but must be supplemented by human action unquote Now this book wants readers to think. That the Biblical teachings like a fallen nature Jesus victory over sin Gen justification that includes regeneration and action that this book wants us to think that those those things are are problematic that they're human centered and in the end God's character in the last generation recycles nights disagreement so you find they're just again because you missed it the 1st 1000 times he talked about it so what's the question though what is this question is can an infinite being an infinite being can an infinite being even be dependent on humans and I think that's a pretty good question or is it is an interesting question God is faithful to humans because of his self obligation we heard today in Titus one verse 2 in Sabbath school God cannot lie we see it in 2nd Timothy 2 verse 13 if we are faithless as the Bible if we are faithless he remains faithful he cannot deny himself we see it in James Chapter one here he is the Father of Lights and there is no shadow of darkness or turning in him at all God is true always and so he cannot lie God has authority to limit his own course of action it's it is an expression of His Divine sovereignty he is all nipa didn't but there are things that he could do which he will not to do he has freedom to obligate himself to man and across the history of his people he very frequently does have you read Genesis lately did did Abraham have something that God owed him. God went out of his way to obligate himself to Abraham and God throughout the Bible comes to to people and he makes an obligation he's the one that came up with the Covenant he's won the comes with the Gospel opportunity Jesus died on the cross for us we didn't die on the cross for Him God is making a way and he is inviting us to participate and so God shows voluntarily to do this for us he is holy he is selfless and therefore he is an altar bully opposed to sin and self-serving He sets the conditions within which he operates when after Jesus' death on Calvary Satan brought forth new charges and that's desire of ages 762763 when he brought those charges God chose voluntarily to address them here's some of those charges. By his life and death Christ Christ. He said the God's justice does not destroy his mercy but that sin could be forgiven and that the laws righteous and can be perfectly obeyed Satan's charges were refuted God had given man unmistakable evidence of his love but you know we're goes on to say that now this was to be no new deceptions were brought forward and there's a whole list of new charges that Satan introduced into the mix and so God chose voluntarily that he would address these new charges he didn't have to he didn't have to for you we didn't have to for me he certainly was not obligated to Satan to do it but God in His sovereignty the sided that he would address these charges and so that is the way that God is He could have left Satan's claims unanswered but he chose to engage in a demonstration of the volatility and fairness of his law and of the availability and efficacy of his power to enable believers to overcome didn't have to but said I'm going to do it and in his wisdom I'm sure he knows that it's a good thing to do. Long ago God exercised his divine sovereignty when he asked Satan Have you considered my servant job that there is none like him on the earth a blameless and upright man who fears God and shuns evil he exercises his divine sovereignty again at the end of time when he declares here or this is the patience of the saints here they keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus these are Bible clear Bible cases where God is making a demonstration job was a demonstration of God's grace at work in one man it was God's sovereign idea Jesus was a demonstration of God's grace in a man who was God it was God's sovereign idea the final generation will be a demonstration of God's grace at work in an entire church family of believers and you know what it's God's sovereign idea God chooses to impose upon himself a condition to be met before Jesus' return he has chosen to demonstrate that his law can be kept by a group who live fully for Jesus and the result is found in great controversy page 665 as the redeemed have beheld the power and malignity of Satan they have seen as never before that no power but that of Christ could have made them conquerors in all that shining through there are none to ascribe salvation to themselves as if they had prevailed by their own power and goodness nothing is said of what they have done or suffered but the burden of every song the keynote of every anthem is salvation to our God and on to the lamb that is the feeling that they will have on that beautiful day when they see the face of Jesus friends God provides the Atonement non divine humans do not provide the atonement the movement for human salvation doesn't come from man it comes from God. In signs of The Times April 22 1903 Ellen White wrote this all that we have was intrusted to us in order to fulfill his media Tauriel planned so notice his media tour a plan non ours his God has a media Tauriel plan now listen we were brought into existence because we were needed Wow how sad the thought that if we stand on the wrong side in the ranks of the enemy we are lost to the design of our creation you are we were brought into the it into existence because according to the inspired writing because we were needed the infinite God who doesn't need anything brought us into existence to show forth his power and His mercy and his selflessness and it was his design that you would exist and that through your life His goodness would would pass into the universe expressed and so this idea that well last generation theology is very human centered it's a bad thing I guess we can think about that some more but I would take into account the fact that the fact that we were brought into existence because we were needed and maybe Satan wanted to destroy every possible mirror that could give glory to God and reflect his beauty the beauty and holiness back into the universe God imposes upon himself the task of securing a universe in which beings are given free choice it's not our business to tell God how to win the war just as it was not job's business to tell God how to win the war our business is to do what our master sends us to do and let him win the war. Let's move to another issue in the book it's called can the fall in human condition be transcended bed pardon me for being a little bit old fashioned I'm going to throw away that theological terminology and I'm going to say Can Man experience victory over sin OK I'll address it that way so the 2nd issue is Can Man experience victory over sin so the issue under this heading is really very simple no matter how you speak of it we're talking about the question of original sin and this has many headings in many many phrases have been sprung upon the church to try to explain this. Original corruption. The fallen human condition and so on and so on but we're talking about really effectively it original sin God's character in the last generation puts it this way quote Adam's 1st sin was voluntary but after this he and his descendants possess a corrupt nature and therefore we both sui sin both voluntarily and I agree with that we send both voluntarily and in voluntarily and he goes on to say sin is a lack of conformity to the will of God either an actor's state into which we are born and then it calls that original corruption. Now the Bible is clear we've fallen humans are called to transcend our situation in this present age in the power of Jesus the sin issue is central Matthew $121.00 Jesus came to save his people from their sins Christianity without victory over sin is not even a new testament religion and yet the closing pages of God's character character in the last generation hopelessly in tone quote as has been seen in the previous chapters of this book if sin is more than actions including an infection of our very being and character the free will of humans is severely constrained by this and slaving alien force of sin. Now these are different ways of saying you really can't overcome you're stuck then you are stuck in that is it God's character in the last generation the author of that these chapter chooses not to mention the bible content which contradicts his idea for example Romans Chapter 6 verse 15 What then shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace and Paul's response is certainly not certainly not God forbid in the God's character in the last generation chapter addressing addressing the question about of what sin is important scriptures are drawn from Romans Chapter 5 verses 15 verses 161819 now Paul does link are sinning Adam sitting there in that place he does but he never says that the good that guilt is in voluntarily transmitted there's a connection between Adam's sin and ours Paul tells us that Adam's sin introduced weakness Romans Chapter 5 or 6 Romans a verse 3. But also that Christ's victory makes divine strength available so that the Christian is not obliged to follow previously established habit patterns of sending Romans 8 same chapters same book rather Romans a verse 12 and 13 Here's what Paul says therefore brother and we are debtors not to the flash to live according to the flesh for if you live according to the flesh you will die but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live that is a point pointing to a victory for us now there is a sense in which Adam sin initiates what we can say at a series of chain reactions he starts the chain reactions but the sins that follow Adam's sin just as Adam's was they are individually chosen if if Adam hadn't sin we wouldn't have inherited weakness because of his sin his descendants inherit a human nature modified for the worse and we've all got it Ellen White gets it though and education page 29 she writes the result of the eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is manifest in every man's experience there is in his nature a bent to evil a force which unaided he cannot resist to withstand this force to attain that ideal which in his inmost soul he accepts as alone worthy he can find help in but one power that power is Christ and then she says cooperation with that power is man's greatest need there is in each of us a bent to Weevil which apart from God's help we cannot resist every human experience is a self-serving self destructive inclination inevitably unless we are cooperating with God we succumb to this force through our own intentional willful premeditated choices without divine intervention we would destroy ourselves don't leave humans around nuclear weapons don't leave humans around unguarded cookies. It's just not good. And so each person is born with weaknesses and tendencies to Weevil each person becomes morally accountable and sins and by a voluntary decision they enter the path of rebellion we've all enter the path of rebellion but we are gifted with that most godlike of attributes free choice free choice so much depends on the free choice the Holy Spirit stands ready to empower every believer and to make Jesus victory effective in the life Jesus victory over sin is available to you through the Holy Spirit and so Ellen White can write this in a God's amazing grace page 193 read it well it is the spirit that makes a factual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer it is by this spirit that the heart is what made pure through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome most hereditary and cultivated. Misspoke forgive me. As a divine power to overcome all hereditary and called evaded tendencies to evil and to impress whose character on his church his own character to impress it on his church how does God make righteous those who are in Him while Jesus lived victoriously in humanity like ours but that doesn't automatically save us we still determine whether we will give our allegiance to self or to God and so steps to crisis this page $58.00 if we are Christ Our thoughts are with him and our sweetest thoughts are of him all we have in our is consecrated to Him We long to bear his image to breathe his spirit into do His Will this is an actual change humans cannot be forced to sin we must 1st consent Christ in dwelling us is. Christ indwelling us is actually righteous and so his righteousness becomes our righteousness when we choose self we choose to reproduce in ourselves the same kind of sin as the 1st Adam all sin is actual When we choose Christ we are without strength to do right but we invite Him into our heart and he into walls us his presence brings an actual righteousness we can never stand apart from his actual righteousness all right to snus is actual We don't have any righteousness we can call our own we always need Jesus we will never come to a time when we don't need Him God's character in the last generation mentions Ellen White statement from Child Guidance page 475 quote as related to the 1st Adam in receive from him nothing but guilt in the sentence of death but any who pause long enough to read the entire passage will see that she is commenting on the challenges of parenting and she assures readers that through wise Christian parenting quote satans power is broken unquote and the child can become quote a partaker of the divine nature unquote read it for yourself manuscript releases Volume 9 page 236 friends the Bible promises us victory over over sin that's a promise to the believer and really what the main dividing line is than life in the last generation theology victory over sin is possible in the revised gospel it's not. Let's move on to number the next one justification more than forensic another dispute is over justification God's character in the last generation author's argument alleges the justification is strictly forensic that it's it's counted only his views hardly differ from the changed form of Lutheranism that followed Luther's death in the God's character in the last generation in his book in his chapter in the book his the all G. is Lutheran all the way through and he uses these Lutheran phrases about. To see a Peca toward God is that people are at the same time just in a center he talks about Christ alien righteousness alien righteousness Coram detail how we are in the in the eyes of God and so on he even claims that the idea in justification that God works inside the believer he says That's Roman Catholic. But a study of the early happiness teachings in the writings of L. and why it finds little correspondence with God's character in the last generation with his the all A-G. Ellen White's most positive statements about Luther deal with the events of the 1520s not the time between 15th coming out and to the $59.00 when you get the formula of Concord the author after quoting Ellen White's corrupt channel stable which will look at it in my talk later this afternoon he claims that our sanctification always falls short of the glory of God page 84 he quotes his favorite otherwise statement summarizing the essence of Justification by Faith here's what he quotes if it is a steps to Christ page 62 if you give yourselves to yourself to Him and accept Him as your savior then sinful as your life may have been for his sake you were counted righteous Christs character stands in place of your character and you were accepted before God just as if you would not sinned and that is beautiful and true all the way but that's where he stops quoting the quotation continues in the very next paragraph the very next word more than this. Christ changes the heart he abides in your heart by faith you were to maintain this connection with Christ by faith in the continual surrender of your will to him and so long as you do this he will work in you to will and do according to HIS good pleasure Amen to that now when Ellen White's view Christ changes the heart and there's more than being accounted righteous the author failed to include this continuation in his main text and so I wish he had put it in there here's another one selective use of Ellen White he says the danger has been presented to me again and again of entertaining as a people false ideas of justification by faith I have been shown for years that Satan would work in a special manner to confuse the mind of the on this point faith and works page 18 now a key point an Alawite faith and works chapter in faith the book faith and works is this utter impossibility of our meriting in the salvation because of our own works and we agree we agree with that but she also makes clear that God's plan for us is no mere forensic declaration listen to page $27.00 same book The Soul temple is to be sacred holy pure undefiled there must be a copartnership in which all the powers of God and all the glory be to belongs to God she goes on to say the law of the human in the don't and the divine action makes the receiver a laborer together with God It brings man where he can united with divinity work the works of God humanity touches humanity divine power in the human agency combined will be a complete success for Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything and that goes with the other statement Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything cooperating together with God doesn't mean that our works merit us salvation but White says quote In order for there to be an hour flowing there must be an income of divinity to humanity faith and works page $26.00 that's transformation language and I'm very thankful for it that's why I want to be a Christian I want God to change me. Now he goes on in the chapter and he he quotes Alister McGrath summary of the magisterial viewpoint on justification on page $1661.00 and he was a nice quotation there from a graph what's interesting is that he quotes also McGrath as a as an authority and he is an authority about the topic of justification but he doesn't quote some other things by the same follow his book used. To McGrath's book also says this and he's talking about the same place in his book page 209 Alstom or grass as the most accurate description of the doctrines of justification associated with the reformed and Lutheran churches from 1530 on words is that they represent a radically new interpretation of the polling concept of imputed righteousness' set within Augustine Ian So Terry a logical framework in other words McGrath is saying there's something new that happened there and you've got to differentiate between Luther the Luther years and then the fun and onward years because things shift there a little bit the graph goes on he constant candidly States this page to 13 in his book he says I am aware that neither Martin Luther know Aldridge's wrinkly can be said to have understood justification in precisely this manner see we want to find out what Luther thought about justification not necessarily what the ones who came right after him taught he goes on to say this is again a graph Luther does not make the distinction between justification and sanctification associated with later Protestantism Luther doesn't make that distinction page 227 and McGrath finally points this out the essential distinguishing feature of the Reformation doctrines of justification is that a deliberate and systematic distinction is made between justification and regeneration. That is for the 1st millennium and a half of Christianity justification was understood as including regeneration not until after Luther's active years and he kind of gets into some health issues and becomes less active not until after that is justification commonly referred to in the forensic legally accounted sense sanctification becoming something very separate not until the period from a lengthened to Kevin it's does the teaching become common that regeneration is something separate human and forever incomplete and so I wish that he had not only quoted this person as an authority on the Lutheranism with the thing you did quote but maybe could have brought up some of these other conclusions by the same person which are good correct conclusions by the way original sin you have a book I think we have a slide of this here the Book of Concord is is got all this Lutheran theology it and you couldn't quite see it but in the next slide the at the very 1st thing on the list there on the left side the very number one is original sin so these things all kind of fit together one piece Well let's move on rapidly we have to go on to other items so what about the charge in the book God's character in the last generation that humans must attain absolute We teach that humans must attain absolute perfection absolute perfection pretty good all right so according to them we teach that we must believe of absolute perfection in order to be saved and pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps because when they will no longer need Christ here's how here's how our book says this. Last Generation theology havoc advocates perfectionism which maintains that humans can become absolutely senseless. This tends to place the emphasis on human works and suggests that one my reach a point prior to the glorification to glorification when one is perfectly sanctified and thus in no longer in need of the imputed righteousness of Christ if they must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor does that mean that they must have fully overcome sin in all respects prior to glorification and in a way that they no longer need the work of Christ on their behalf by the way I found this the most the most offensive item in the whole book to think that some of us are teaching that we come to a place where we don't need Jesus that George and I had the same allegation years before Here's what he wrote in search for identity page 151 in actuality according to his he's talking about him Andreas and his the ology humans must get to the place where they don't need Christ where they can stand without a mediator on the basis of their own achievements we don't teach that we've not taught that not repeats his charge forbade him in the book we have here the new books louder rinse and repeat but none of us have taught that we must attain the absolute perfection ever we agree that without Christ we are hopelessly lost we can never reach down inside of ourselves for righteousness we can never in eternity come to a place where we no longer need Christ more than we need air to breathe we need Christ for spiritual life so what about these phrases these phrases in these books of a new order that they put into our Miles phrases like absolute perfection sinless perfection absolute senselessness perfectly Senlis what about those phrases. I don't use them Dennis probably doesn't use them Herbert Douglas didn't use them M.L. Andreessen didn't use them 80 Jones didn't use them E.J. Wagner didn't use them Ellen G. Why didn't use them nor did anybody in the Bible use them and yet these phrases supposedly represent last generation theology view point. Such phrases occur $69.00 times in God's character and the last generation and $800.00 times in the end time events George not one which is a much skinnier book otherwise I'd be there more pretty sure. I fact I can only think of one individual on our side of the question who even uses these kind of phrases this kind of phraseology is it fair to tar a whole group on the basis of one individual using ill advised terminology is that fair let's move on because there's a lot more in the book and we're really just lets go on to the question about Jesus is Jesus as the book claims is Jesus JUST LIKE US JUST LIKE US according to the authors of the material found in these 2 books. According to them those who believe in last generation theology insists that and I quote We can be absolutely sinless even as Jesus was absolutely senseless in order for Christ to be our example it is argued he must have been and then it's italicized he must have been just like us if he did not he is not fully human like us God's character in less than ours and Page 18 now the only problem with this is again that it is not a fair or accurate representation of what El G.T. teaches none of us teach without qualification that Jesus is just like us there are many respects in which Jesus is not just like us would like to see if you for example Jesus is not just like us in that he is God eternal and preexisted his experience as a human being he never sinned he is character is sufficient sufficient in value to redeem all of humanity by his life of meritorious obedience he condemned sin in human flesh he is equal to the Father He is one person of a 3 person self existant being. All things are placed in subject to him he tastes death for every human Jesus alone is the great high priest he has authority to lay down and take up his own life he alone has authority to forgive sin These are ways that Jesus is not like us and they're nothing new there's nothing new here that we just figure this out Jesus is like us though in these respects these are not everything but this is samples he is like us he took our infirmities he bore our sicknesses he took upon him the form of a servant he was made in the light this of men he was tempted in all points like as we are he is able to die he took on him the seed of Abraham and inferior to Angel like nature his experience an argument to gives us an example of victory his mind thoughts and attitudes can be echoed in our humanity you know Philippines 25 let this my be in you which was also in Christ Jesus and so while the right L N Y writes and selected messages book one page 247 to 47 Christ did not make believe to take human nature he did verily take it he did in reality possess human nature as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same and she also said this in Christ rampant page 208 Christ's perfect humanity is the same that we may have through connection with Christ Christ took our nature fallen but not corrupted and would not be corrupted unless he received the words of Satan in the place of the words of God Those are pretty insightful items I hope I hope you are noticing from the pen of Ellen White Yes we who believe in Adventism or in other words last generation theology I think they're interchangeable we believe in avin to them. Do point to our understanding based on the Bible in the supported by Ellen White that Jesus human nature is like our own Jesus was made like his brother in law in white there's so many Ellen why courts 2 of them temperance one o 7 the savior took upon Himself the infirmities of humanity and lived a sinless life that men might have no fear that because of the weakness of human nature they could not overcome that's why Jesus did it she goes on to say Christ came to make us partakers of the divine nature in his life declares that humanity combined with divinity does not commit sin. Our few to turn another quotation from signs the Times October 14th 1907 our future eternal happiness depends upon having our humanity with all its capabilities and powers brought into obedience to God placed under the control of divinity many have no real faith in Christ they say it was easy for Christ to obey the will of the father for he was divine but God's Word declares he was tempted in all points like as we are and we could go on now the last segment is have we delayed the 2nd coming this is the weakest material in this book it's a very weak doesn't address any of the key quotations really from Alan White spam. Doesn't address the main tacts you know we need to make a distinction between personal salvation and God's character vindication demonstrated by God's people it's one thing to be saved it's another thing to be used by God to vindicate his character and those are 2 we need to keep those 2 items distinct I'll read just one of these and then we'll come to our conclusion here we have desired ages 633 all right desired ages 633 by giving the Gospel to the world it is in our power to hasten our Lord's return we are not only to look for but to hasten the coming of the day of God 2nd Peter 312 and she says this had the Church of Christ done her appointed work is the law as the Lord ordained the whole world would be for the US. Have been warned and the Lord Jesus would have come to our earth and power and great glory when was desired wages written 898 before then the 2nd coming 1898 would have come none of these statements or even mention in the chapter on God's character in the last generation so that chapter was kind of a problematic Well let's go to our conclusion what do we land what do we really land with all of this half of the charges against last generation theology are relatively straightforward disagreements you know you say this about what justification is we say this you say this about what sin is we say this. Half of them are like that but a lot of them the remaining 3 that I've picked out here are straw man representations you know it's like us a scarecrow you set it up and then you you you can wipe it out real easy and those are things that really are problematic when we what then about these books that we've spoken of today what about these books that that our ministers are being reading and thinking about. What we do with a book like that you know a few years ago we were here and we talked Oh I talked a little bit about questions on doctrine questions on doctrine has some real giant problems I'll tell you what though questions on doctrine have some redeeming features Corson's a doctrine has some good historical material the chapter in questions on doctrine on Michael the Archangel is very good there's some it's there's some very bad things there but there's some very good things in the mixture she wrote he has some redeeming features it this book gives us no particular help where we have straightforward disagreements about teachings in it's worse than useless because of its decided misrepresentations this book actually you know at the this book pretty much goes in the same spot so. So for someone who really wants to understand last generation theology the 2 the 20000 books are really a needless waste of trees I like trees I lived in northern Idaho for 5 years and love the trees and I feel sad that a book could be turned and a tree be turned into a book like this. But I don't think that people hope they weren't mean spirited when they created this I think they meant well but they just didn't represent it fairly OK so let's have care for them into our press is I guess I would say this it could just be me but very few of my church members are clamoring to buy books filled with tend to seem to use it could be easy and it might be these and repeating the George night thoughts about $888.00 to just be me. Now those who do wish to understand last generation theology what would you do if you want to understand it start by immersing yourself in the Bible. Read from the Bible read the writings of Ellen G. White You might also read 2 other sources in Maryland recently wrote a book in 1937 called the sanctuary service and you'll find some really helpful things there about the last generation go there to the original source and read it from him Andrius and and and. And wherever my book went. This one also you might find it useful maybe to I don't know if there's any of those left in the might be if you left yes. Damn Danny streamer has all the rest of the copies left on all 10000 are gone almost But we've got a few I guess so let me conclude with this then our time has run out let's critique the real sources rather than make up sources and then critique those just seems fair to me the night when the narrative has become the establishment story night when the K W N stands an exact entres to the authentic agonist positions a chasm divides scholars from lay people who read the Bible an element writings there are different conceptions of Adventism these books take matters too far I hope that we've come to a time when many of our some of our younger scholars will think for themselves and revisit nights representations concerning last generation themes the where I see it it's basic Adventism versus the night with narrative. And so let's be faithful to the message that God has delivered us let's finish the work and let's see Jesus shall we do that. 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