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Racism and Me

Steven Grabiner


How should we relate to race discussions today.


Steven Grabiner

President, Outpost Centers International



  • October 12, 2019
    12:00 PM
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Our title you can see is called racism and meet and not racism in your own racism and me because about a year I'm not sure exactly how long ago Victor remember when that meeting was Southern something almost a year ago there was a meeting in southern on racial issues and I went to one of the afternoon meetings and came away feeling very 1st traded and disappointed and perplexed and not what I expected from that presentation and so since that time this is kind of been rolling around in my head and so this what I want to share this morning is is part of that. Journey exploration and what I want to do 1st of all is kind of explore some biblical foundations and then give you a couple of thinking tools and then talk about racism and then and with something practical I hope so let's start with a clear obvious truth the Bible has been misused to support racism and we just need to be upfront and say that that the Bible has been at times taken out of context the text that I put up here Genesis 9 verse $25.00 is the story of after the flood when Noah becomes a needle reader and he passes out his son Ham comes into the tent and seizes father goes out and tells his 2 older brothers and mocks the 2 older brothers schemin jape with come back they walk backwards they cover their father's nakedness and then when Noah awakens he pronounces a curse on ham and Canaan and that Canaan is to be him as descendant is to be a servant and he is to serve his brothers and that passage has been used periodical it throughout history to inforce the idea that certain people groups are cursed and should be slaves of others when I was in Africa there was a friend of mine her name was Ferus and she actually believed this. I don't know if I'm going to be able to sit down going to try. Sorry I'm not sure why that's funny to you but. It's odd to me to sit down this is. You know I like to move around this is very interesting. So but Ferris told me that the curse of ham was on the Africans and that's why they felt that. White Caucasians were superior and I was like that because nuts now that concept again its surface turned on a clear through time but in the 14 hundreds and 15 hundreds it became a reason to support the slave trade and it became well known and actually an early Protestant a Puritan preacher by the name of Cotton Mather who is very influential he used this as a justification for slavery that the Africans were cursed by Ham and this is part of God's design and so pastors had used this justification sorry enough for the chair. And there are other misapplications from scripture scripture talks about slavery and that's been something David Holly and I have been talking about for a while and I've been wrapping my mind around it I'm going to have information on that in a little bit but I wanted to make sure I understood what I was saying before I did let's say this that biblical slavery is very different than the slavery that took place where people were kidnapped and brought to a different country but we'll explore that another time but it's very clear we need to admit that the Bible has been misused agreed. However the Bible also lays out the foundation for us that overturns all races ideas because the scripture starts and this I've been saying this is my 3rd sermon that we begin with the conviction that everybody bears the image of God and when we look at the passage in the book of Micah he has shown the old man what is what is good to do just the to love mercy to walk humbly with your God We begin with this foundation everyone's created in the image of God and our founders of the United States they may not have meant it this way but they did get it right when they said everyone is in doubt with certain unalienable rights which are given to them by their creator we all are in the image of God and from the Christian perspective that's where we need to start everybody we see comes from the image of God and the Bible brings this out in many places in Acts Chapter 17 the Apostle Paul is talking and he's speaking there in Athens and he says the This Is The New American Standard says he God has made from one man every nation of humanity the new American states he's making James I believe says from one blood this is a very powerful truth right that we all come from one source which leads us to a very interesting idea and that is the separation that we used to classify people is a mirage it's an illusion Now it's true Different people have different facial features some have lighter color hair higher cheekbones some have darker skin and some have different eye structures but we are of one blood. And the idea of a separate race that there is a biological difference between people because of outside observable physical characteristics that is a mirage a social construct that's been developed not for very good purposes Now it's true the Bible talks about well look at that moment different tribes nations and others but again the Bible tells us there's no difference between Jew and Greek and when Paul says Jew in Greek he means Jews and everybody else and that's very clear because Jews obviously are the chosen race and everyone else is outside and Paul once again makes this foundation there is no difference with me together great now if we could just get that out to the rest of the world. We do good right. And then again our scripture reading Revelation 7 verses 9 and 10 we're going to look at verse 7 here where it says there is a great multitude which no one can number from every what every nation and all tribes and peoples and tons standing before the throne and the lamb and they're crying out and they say salvation 2 are gone into the lamb victory that God has been victorious in the great controversy it is over a man hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah right. And so this is the ultimate aim of scripture so the scripture begins with everyone's created in the image of God and ends with we're all together around the throw. And unfortunately it reveals the history of that fall and the separations that come in all the other issues that come in and clearly the Bible has been misused but read as a whole the Bible places value on every person and you and I need to do the same because as we said last week the way we interact with people is a demonstration of the Gospel we believe and we preach and Miss again I want to underscore that that how we interact with one another says a lot about what we believe about the Scriptures so let me interrupt myself and give you a just a brief story that happened just yesterday. Some of you have said to me that I'm very intimidating. Add like that you find that funny. So some of you have said that I'm intimidating I realize I realize that my face can be intimidating at times so yesterday I had this this situation my mom had a car accident the most the body shop kind of after all if she's calling me could you fix it she's in Boston I'm down here I call them they're not there she calls me pressure you got the you know my mom calls then she texts and so I call the body shop and I have my intimidation voice ready. And the person in the truck is not there so I hang up Ok I'm going to call back and now my intimidation voices rise up a notch and then there's that tap on the shoulder do you really want to use that method. How we interact with everybody is the Gospel we preach. And so Ok stop take a breath take several deep breaths and what am I going to say to this person and the conversation what went much better practical application of the Gospel when we really try to see that every person is made in the image of God and that is where we need to come from that they are from the image of God So let me share something. That I want to share with you here that is kind of a thinking thing it's kind of a thought experiment with me and. Assertions versus assessments and let me just kind of explain these words momentarily and assertion I'm defining I'm using the word assertion here as a statement of fact something that is measurable Ok if I make a statement it's sunny outside that's a statement of fact you can go outside and see if it is or not I might be right I might be wrong and assessment is really more than opinion we make assessments of people all the time and sometimes those assessments are positive and sometimes those assessments are grounded in something and sometimes those assessments really just come from very little data points and when we make a sentence of people sometimes they make assessments of themselves Oh I'm so stupid I'm clumsy I can't do this it's important for us when we're conversing with people particularly in this topic of race. To try to distinguish between assertions statements of fact and assessments are you with me so let me give you an example of my good friend Doug is volunteer Doug Barrow is 6 foot 6 foot 3 inches that is what kind of a statement. That's an assertion now we can measure it maybe is not maybes are you 63 roughly you don't have to talk so. Sorry. We can measure whether he is really that tall or not that's an assertion and assessment is Doug Barrow is tall Well it's a grounded assess assertion assessment based on what we know about his height but if I were to move off of he's tall and said something like that Barrow is handsome Wow Now I've kind of moved out of the thing I was I'm sure people are going to agree if I were to say Doug Barrow is outgoing you know then I'm moving away from being grounded perhaps but all of those are assessments to get my point we make assessments about people this person is unreliable this person is lazy this person is careless those are assessments that we've made assessments can be true can be false can be grounded unfounded but they are not statements of fact together with me and when we begin to ascribe to arrive whole group of people or raids an assessment that we've gotten from some individuals that is dangerous thinking. And as you talk to people you will find people making assessments all the time you might do that with your children or others and it's very important for us to be aware of this something else I want to give you again this is all kind of a slightly long introduction but bear with me I'm getting someplace and that is the point of distinctions and what I mean by distinctions now there are people in this room that have certain skill sets Ok certain skill sets those skill sets enable the people to have them to notice distinctions in their fields What do I mean by that so. Jerry walked out Gerry van drop his firefighters on Levi is if they come to a fire what do they see Jerry came back in and heard me talking about so you know of Geragos to a fire how long you've been working with fire department 25 years he has a skill set that enables him to have awareness of distinctions when he approaches a fire so does a nurse so nurse practitioner so she's got a certain set of distinctions same thing with Beckett she's got a certain set of distinctions other physicians here if you're a computer graphic artist if you are a marketing person if you're a theologian you have a mechanic a carpenter you have a certain set of distinctions is that clear pretty basic right and it's important for us to learn from someone who has different distinctions than we do particularly in areas where we don't have them. In the areas of race there are individuals who have stronger distinctions than you and I do why because they've studied and they thought about the topic longer than you and I and so it's helpful for us not just race but that's what we're talking about this morning for it's helpful for us to to think through some of these things and maybe not accept everything that we read but at least to listen to individuals who have spent time thinking about this topic together with me. At least Kelly Yes I'm going to sit down again see if I can feel more and more. So now let's. Let's get to some definitions racist thinking what is racist thinking and these are definitions there is a book that. My son Jeremy gave me It's called How to be an anti racist by a gentleman by the name of. Candy it's a short books kind of autobiographical and thoughtful several these thoughts prompted my thinking and so race is thinking what is racist thinking I think you'll agree with most of these statements racist thinking is a belief that a particular race or ethnicity is inferior or superior That's clear so that's racist thinking that is an idea the idea is that that certain races are better than others. So you know for example Jews for example being from the Jewish race Jews are chosen right. Now Ok so that would be racist thinking to think that Jews are superior to everybody else is racist thinking. You're with me this is racism in me not racism in your racial discrimination racial discrimination are those measures or laws or practices that produce in equity you know this is very important racial discrimination are those things in place laws policies practices that produce inequity and I mean in equity that's a difference in what an individual has compared to someone else now clearly there are always going to be inequities in society Jesus said the poor you're going to have with you always we're never going to race all inequities but racial discrimination is a set of policies that fosters inequity with me those are policies we have ideas policies and next we have results racial inequity when racial groups have a large inequity between them so 3 things we have thinking right vs and then we have policies and then we have results it's interesting as we look back in the history of racism particularly in relation to the United States that the results were the driver of the policies which then created the thinking me say that again the results I want to get rich off of someone else's expense. Therefore I start slavery that's the result now I need a policy to bring that about but now I have to justify the policy so I create the idea historically that's the way things have developed as far as we can tell very important for us so now let's get to racism what is racism racism is the combination of racist thinking ideas that support racial discrimination those policies that results really furthers racial inequity races ideas that foster policies that create inequities and so now the question is and I would I feel very comfortable about asking this question here particularly in this congregation if I were to say well how many of you really want to further racial inequity in society how many of you think that's a really good idea I don't think and if you're going to raise your hand most certainly are not going to raise your hand. I don't even think any of you would in your heart say yes I think that's a good idea I think this community would all say no we want ratio equity Yes of course and I and I would say that everybody here would say we don't want to support policies that create that that's another step and that is where our thinking needs to come into play is it possible that there still are policies in play that relate to unjust results now again I doubt that there's anybody here except for the Jew in the room that might think that there's a race that's better than another race but most of us would realize no we all come from one blood and we are all the same yet there still are these policies and these results. Now you may be thinking yes but. Are there really still policies do they still really exist Well let's look at 3 areas of inequity and the United States health housing and jobs are going to show you some statistics on the 1st 2 let me just make a comment on the 3rd in relation to the job rate there is a great you neck witty in the unemployment rates for whites and unemployment rates for blacks and Hispanics that's just statistics now good news is as those rates of unemployment go down they generally go down for all 3 groups but the gap between them in equity between those groups generally stays the same so was unemployment falls it unfolds for everybody but the gap between those different groups usually stays the same good news is just recently the gap has gotten smaller that's something to be grateful for the gap is closing the inequity is getting less in one area but let's talk about health for example and some of your thinking yes the pastor there's all sorts of personal choice in this and there is personal choice and I'll get to that in a moment but let's look at a thing where it's hard to pin this on personal choice out of every 1000 births for blacks 11.4 of those children before will die every out of a 1000 black. Mothers giving birth 11.4 those children will die for whites What's the ratio 4.9 That's less than half so twice as many black babies die infant mortality than whites. Now it's pretty hard to say Ok well that's a cause of something the mother has done maybe there's sure there's some causation there but we need to look for that kind of discrepancy it's something larger is it possible that there are policies in place that make it harder for certain sections of the society to get good health care Several of you were nodding your head yes there are that's a policy issue that rule Zulfi in inequity Ok the thinking the idea is only there to justify we've as a society we're trying to make changes in these areas by the way I forgot to say something in the very beginning in the back of your bulletin is my phone number it's going to say this in the very beginning 423834241 if you have a question or a disagreement of what I'm saying please or you just want to talk about it Text Me Ok I probably won't stop in the middle of a sermon to answer the text but I might. But please feel free if you say young at all but what about this feel free to Me Ok so this is an area in which there is health inequity and there are other areas African-Americans blacks tend to have disease and different rates some of that is lifestyle some of that choices some of that's food available there's it's a lot but what we're looking at is the racist part of it so let's continue homeownership this is a place where there is very large inequities 41 percent of black families own their own homes 45 percent of Hispanic families own their own homes and 71 percent of whites own their own homes now we could shrug our shoulders and say well you know whites work harder really. Actually we could look back and we can see there have been policies in place which have made it difficult for Hispanics and blacks to get mortgages you're familiar with the term redlining where you know banks and realtors would not bring people to certain areas because they didn't want them to live in those areas they didn't want to lend to people in certain areas and there's a large history here a lot of unfortunate information Chicago and other places where land was taken from black and black landowners it was policies that created the inequity you're with me now it's true. That policy redlining was outlawed about 50 years ago but today 50 years later 3 quarters of all those areas that were redlined are still economically disadvantaged to catch that 3 quarters now some are you're still thinking yes but don't we do assistance for people that need housing and yes the United States government spends a lot of money close to a $100000000000.00 a year in subsidizing housing Ok $100000000000.00 a year approximately in subsidizing housing Do you know what the biggest part of that subsidized housing is the mortgage interest deduction for homeowners is the largest single federal expenditure on housing let me get this to you and I have to be calm here because this really irritates me. 85 percent of the subsidy that goes. Goes to individuals in medium to high income brackets why because they buy bigger houses so they get a bigger deduction or they have 2 houses so they get action I'm not talking about real estate as an investment I'm talking about personal homeownership so the largest subsidy but the u.s. government gives for housing is to the wealthiest people in the country a leaven percent of low income people are able to get part of this subsidy 30000000000 goes to Section 8 that's a housing voucher and 71000000000 goes to the mortgage interest deduction who needs it more you got very quiet. Who needs it more. Lower income this is a policy thing that you know and to get rid of the mortgage interest deduction has been very difficult a connoisseur on both sides of the aisle Republican and Democrat recognize the mortgage interest deduction is has passed outlived its usefulness nobody wants to touch it real it tears are very strong lobby wealthy people are very strong lobby Fortunately the. Tax Code made for many people the mortgage interest deduction less valuable by increasing their deductions but this still does not transfer that from those that need it most from those that need it most to others and when I talk about transfer I'm not talking about stealing wealth don't misunderstand me this is a gift that the federal government gives to people to subsidy and so every time we do our taxes and we take our mortgage deduction that is the subsidy and it's more than the subsidy that people on Section 8 get just to reframe our thinking a little bit. Feel free to text me. So again racism combination of racist ideas thinking habits of thought you know if I were to say look we're going to get rid of the mortgage interest deduction there would be a huge outcry in our Christian radio there were they were talking. There we were they were talking not that long ago about pastors you really want an interesting something to yet. So. This also irritates me so pastors I'm in this group pastors get to deduct their mortgage interest but they also get to deduct their entire mortgage payment plus the interest it's like double dipping because probably goes back to Constantine I don't know but. When they were talking about redoing the tax law this came up that we should take away the clergy home allowance and the clergy was like all up in arms you can't do that if they were to take away the mortgage interest deduction people would be like No we don't want to do that but if we're to double section 8 money. You can't I mean those people need to pull themselves up by the roots traps do you see the thinking that's wrong in our mind and how start all this is and how it goes back to things that we don't see policies that are in place so let's continue combination of races thinking that support racial discrimination policies that results in racial inequity and we all agree we want to get rid of racial inequity in that we want a world. Where justice flows down like waters and ultimately that's not going to happen until the 2nd coming we realize that but we can work toward that so let me continue let me shift gears slightly here. Now a lot of people say that everything's Ok because we've kind of balanced everything out so just imagine with me a runner I went on Google and I found this guy. Looks familiar he's not here today but so I imagine you're a runner in the south ruling and you're a runner and you're have a race to run and you're going to run the race but the 1st half of the race you have to run with your legs hobbled you know there's a rope between your legs and as much as you can do is like this and then about you know the race starts and everybody's running but you have hobbles and then halfway through the race they take your hobbles off is it fair you know that's the situation that many people have been put in because of racial policies that have disadvantaged individuals now we could say some those policies are gone it's true you cannot any longer. Discriminate you cannot read line Ok so we move that but that does not level the playing field doesn't it would be like cobbling sat and saying Ok now catch up but let me change this a little bit 7 bridges marathons coming up Cindy's running and. Beth's running when anybody else running in this fellas is running so I you know a number of people running this is a great event by the way to be too if you want to volunteer for it and go to the website it's a great opportunity to meet the community so let's just imagine that we're in this race and let me just if you don't mind let's say that all of you have decided to run and let's just do a half marathon Ok with me so we're all there at the 7 Bridges marathon and we're doing this half marathon and they move me up. Yeah you know half marathons roughly 13 miles I know it's a little bit more but just give me some slack let's say let's say they move me up to 6 and a half miles or so where my 6 and a half miles and then we all start racing cravings going to win. Exactly hold that thought for a moment hold that. So with the you know fence maybe Cindy would beat me but I think I think that that if you gave me a 6 and a half mile start on a 13 mile race I think I would beat everyone in this room. But if Seth was here he would beat me I know his time. You know I need to find a 5 minute mile under 6 minute mile he's going to beat me even if he spots me 6 and a half miles because I know my time and you can do the math but he would beat me here's the point this is important don't miss this point just because Seth is able to overcome that difficulty does not mean it is still unfair and we point to individuals all like Dr Carson Hey look he grew up in a poor home and he pulled himself up and now look at where he is so he's a an exceptional individual that does not mean everybody else should get some help do you follow me just because Seth could outrun all of us doesn't mean it would be fair for me to have that time an advantage so what do we do how can we diminish this inequity I'm getting there but I need to tell you a story 1st. So let's just move on to the story this her name was. Lucy by r d y a r b y r a d she was a. Woman born in 877 if my memory serves me correctly became a 7th Day Adventist in 100002 she had 3 strikes against her against her she was black she's a woman and she became a 7th Day Adventist and so she and her husband lived in New York they were church members for very long time she developed liver cancer and so she wanted to go to the Washington San Washington Centerra Ms it was then called Washington Hospital now so they made connections they talked individuals there and they were told yes come down and we'll treat you so they took the train down to Washington got to the hospital they walked in they looked at them and said Mom I you're black we can't let you stay here. There apparently was some confusion it's exactly not really clear whether they were trying to make a room for them what happened was they ended up going to another hospital her husband said this speaking with the officer there he regretted to say this but it was against the what law of the state of Maryland to admit colored people into the sanitarium policy. That prohibited her 7th day adventist being minister to in a 7th Day Adventist Hospital of course I was stunned for my wife to be looking forward with much anticipation to going to this particular sanitarium why she felt she would be among her own people. In fact her hopes were so high that her help was much better than it had been for days and she even suffered the tiresome and painful train ride because of the expected destination I'm going to be with my people sorry if you're the wrong skin color. What so they moved or taxi to another hospital and she died 30 days later would she have lived if she stayed in the sand we have no idea maybe the treatments would have been different she's buried back up in New York and this became a big watershed in administering in relation to. Regional conferences which we don't have time to get into this morning but this wasn't all that yet alone. A manual missionary college had a quota on how many blacks could be admitted to the school and they also had to eat after all the whites that now praise the lord that's not the case right praise the Lord some of those hobbles of being removed but just as I said that doesn't automatically remove all the results of the inequity and since we don't want an inequity what can we do let me share a couple of thoughts here. Is it possible that we are either racist or anti racist what I mean by that most of us would say if I were to ask you Are you racist you're going to say no but is that really the right response and I think back to the 2nd World War when Jews were being rounded up wasn't really sufficient to say I'm not part of the s.s. or were the real heroes those that wanted to work to free the Jews and so for us the question is Is it possible that we really should be either racist or against racism if racism as I defined it earlier is thinking ideas that bring about policies that bring about inequity and I don't want an equity and I don't want those policies and I don't want those ideas then simply to say well I'm not racist. Isn't enough I would suggest but we need to move another step so let me read something to you and then I have 5 suggestions walls of separation have been built up between the whites and blacks This is from Ellen White $895.00 these walls of prejudice beautiful promise these walls of prejudice will do what Campbell down all of themselves as did the walls of Jericho when what when Christians obey the Word of God which enjoins on them what supreme love to their maker and impartial love to their neighbors for Christ's sake and she's talking about racial issues let us do something now 895 still valid I think so so let me give you a couple of suggestions what can we do number one. Sorry I just saw text. 3 texts. Ok let me go back to the subsidy of the mortgage interest deduction and the if I can just really briefly the. Those individuals that that are at a different lower tax rates on account must have asked this question for sure so my point the overarching point is whether it's a tax break where I get to reduce my taxes or I get a voucher to help me pay for a place that's a subsidy either way whether the government says we may define it differently where the government says you can subtract this from your taxes or here's some cash that still is a subsidy by any other name. Let me continue so sorry we're to get back to this let me go back. Sorry. There was another text in there that totally threw me off. This is my 1st acts 1st thing to do is recognize race is a mirage but work to vaporize it what I mean by that we individually net need to get beyond the point where we are like Ok yeah you're different you're so your skin's different you're Here's different you're I shaped me different but we are one creature created in the image of God And so we recognize that it's there and people think about it we need to look at Learn to vaporize it how do we do that people make racial statements we just don't let them slide we ask questions rather than an assessment or an assertion you probably have to explain that to them what do you mean by that where did you come to that conclusion are you taking what one family you know did and you're applying that to a whole race of people so we need to be learn to engage in that kind of a conversation that's the 1st thing 2nd thing is we need to recognize that you Nec already exists and then explore its origins in policy 1st I'm not saying there are not other cause sometimes people make decisions but those are individuals making bad decisions if if I'm a poor student I am a poor student my race isn't a poor student. And so we need to recognize that we're inequity is what is the policy that might have caused it we need to learn to think that way 1st Next we need to recognize that cultural differences really are largely simply cultural differences and we often apply moral values to cultural differences when a person wears a hat where their clothes are and we need to recognize that cultural differences are simply that and now I'm not I said largely there are some cultural differences that are certainly antithetical to scripture but generally speaking tastes in many different things foods as long as their dinner with a doctor friendly you know tastes and different things are really cultural preferences not moral issues oftentimes the next thing is that we need to recognize and this is important and I want to stress this for a very pointed reason we need to recognize that stating that any race is inferior or evil is racist so the Nation of Islam and and certain. Black writers will say no it's impossible for blacks to be racist because they don't have the power which will get you next or the Nation of Islam particularly will say use the expression the white devil imagery you can be racist no matter what your skin color racism is that if we state that another race is in fear evil that thinking is racist and because we shouldn't go there we are all created in the image of God And lastly we need to recognize that no one is powerless. It's true there may be power concentrated in certain classes well from things like that but no one is powerless we have had an African-American president or there is a black caucus in Congress there are plenty of black leaders to state that that African-Americans can't do anything that really is a racist idea and race is no one is perilous you are not powerless either you can engage in conversations you can begin to look for reasons of inequity you can begin to say I want the Gospel to transform every aspect of my life I want to start making assessments based on short things interactions with people I want to live the gospel message of reconciliation. As I said earlier the way we interact together is the Gospel we preach how are you interacting with someone that's different than you what you're thinking what year you want your guidance and as we begin to learn that we don't know everything let us have the experience of wanting to explore more how what can I do to remove some of these inequities that people might be more open to hear the message of the gospel a gospel which is completely transformative a gospel which takes in every aspect our our being mentally physically and spiritually so if you like to be an anti-racist and work toward racial equity another way to say it is one of Christian and spread the message of the Gospel wreckless reconciliation to everyone none of us are perilous Let's pray together. Father in heaven thank you for the call that doesn't depend on our social status or economic status our education our color the call goes to everyone there is no difference we have all sinned we've all fallen short of the Gulf War of God and we are all are continually justifying through the grace of Jesus Christ help us to have that enter fuse each of our relations with one another that we might truly be ambassadors for Christ embassadors of reconciliation in Jesus name in this media was brought to you by audio verse a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse or if you would like to listen to more servant leader visit w w w audio verse or.


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