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Ignite Your Church - Part 11: Department Planning

Jim Howard

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  • June 21, 2019
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Father in heaven we're grateful for another day of ministry and spiritual food and we're praying Lord that as we train in terms of how to activate our churches for growth that you would bless us Lord with the Holy Spirit and with power we need your help we need your guidance and we need to servant to know how to implement the things that we learn in our own local fields and settings so please help us Lord speak to us and abide with us throughout this session we pray Jesus' name. All right so Mark has given me the lowdown on what you guys have already covered and how many of you. Have been to most of these sessions tell the truth you've been to most of the sessions Ok And how many of you are just kind of popping in here is kind of popping in Ok so we have a little of each. The reason that's important is because. It is because there are some things that were shared earlier that you might not be familiar with that you might want. So I used to work here in Michigan as person ministries and evangelism director and then now I'm at the General Conference but I basically work based on the same ministry plan or philosophy and the growth model which we have been using in Michigan here for a number of years is just a way of expressing the model of ministry that Jesus gave us. Church a valuation tool as yes. And so this is the general conference website. That lays out the growth model but some of the things that that person ministries and sadness cool tackle here are broader in Speer and you'll see that today because I'm going to be telling you about some things such as department ministry plans for elders and deacons and that sort of thing these. Are not necessarily under my sphere in the General Conference but here in Michigan. Ever since we started down this path of a value weighting a strategy for growing our churches we've included that so it's not all on this website but Karen can you tell me the Michigan website again this. Michigan s.s.p. I'm dot org So I think most if not all of the handouts will be on that site and I'm going to share a couple things that they might not currently have on there but that are on the General Conference So those are 3 personal ministries websites that are going to be valuable for you. Ok so I just wanted to point out that Mark has already started going to end this grow implementation guide how to grow your church in a very practical way in terms of how to implement it in your local church and right now I'm going to jump in sort of in the middle of this and we're going to talk about training leaders it's under functional church structure if you happen to have this handout and we're going to talk about training leaders. And specifically I am going to be talking about department Planning Department planning and really. Most churches. Plan as a as a church board for their evangelistic strategy and very few churches plan from the department level Ok so I'm going to explain to you how churches can strengthen their ministries by by actually planning from the department level so let's talk about department plans for a minute you're wanting to create a master plan of Angeles and for your church every church should have a clear plan and strategy and let me just. Let me just tell you that this is not something you should assume that your church pass. You should not assume that your church has an evangelist extravagance many churches and I mean many church as I left Michigan I see it even more than I saw when I was in Michigan many churches do evangelist pick things but they do not have an evangelistic strategy they and because they do not have a strategy they don't know what they are what they are missing and what their ultimate goal is and how to get there they just do certain evangelist and things and they hope for the best. But even going down another layer very few churches even in Michigan have department leaders who plan from the very department level their own evangelistic strategy and this is what we are recommending is that departments every department should have a evangelists a plan and strategy that then rolls up into the church's master plan and strategy for evangelism So let's talk for a minute about why. Departments should plan why would you even worry about planning from a department level Give me give me a reason why we have to do that I mean why would we not just have an overall strategy for the church why even play in a department of. Ok Because without a vision we fail that's true. Ok because everybody has to work together I like that. Ok So everybody stays together and has the same thing I hear some common threads and what you're saying Yeah Ok so what you're saying a little bit is that the partners are going to do stuff anyway but when they don't put it together on a plan then nobody really knows what's happening. Yeah. We have as a church we have a mission right right do we have a mission or do we have several missions. And. We actually have one mission and and that mission is found in Matthew $28.00 and you'll find it also in the church manual and it is to go and make disciples of all nations baptizing teaching observe all things that Jesus commanded us that mission has to be the same for every department. I'll tell you though and I was just sharing at we had a general conference a nurture and retention committee with leaders from all over the world are we have we have a nurturing and nurture and retention. Committee of the General Conference and then we have asked every division of the world church all the 13 World divisions to also have a nurture and retention committee and each division to have a nurture and retention leader or director and they all came along with the division presidents and officers to the General Conference and we had a nurturing retention summit where the whole focus was on talking about nurture retention and are you going to interject something before I get there yes. Yes Oh Ok. Oh. Yeah. Ok. Yeah so. So I'll bring that into what we're talking about because it is very very related actually so on this committee at this summit. One of the things that I was able to do was just share a little bit about sort of the the overarching goal of the summit and the focus on discipleship that we had and one of the things that we had to address right from the start is that in many churches I would almost go so far the same most of our churches most of our people believe that we kind of have to separate missions to separate goals when it comes to the work of the Church one is ministering to the community we call that outreach Ok we call that outreach and we call that evangelism and that is. You know very. Clearly seen in public of endless meetings and other things like that then we have a ministry to the church and that we refer to as in reach or nurture. And so we have these 2 separate. Focal points for the church this is not in the Bible the Bible describes the mission of the church as one mission and I believe that the mission of the church when properly conducted is the best way to grow the church numerically and it is exactly the best way to grow the church spiritually so that when we're carrying out the mission of the church we are both. Reaching the community and we're nurturing our own members this is not you know we don't win souls in pockets we win souls and then they are part of the continuum of the disciple making process so our job is to make disciples that's the ultimate goal and that is is something that begins with 1st connecting with somebody that goes all the way to training that person to win souls and train other souls so this is a ongoing process that the church is part of and it's one continuous mission not 2 separate ones and the problem is when we talk about discipleship the word discipleship how many of you think that we're hear the word discipleship and you think outreach and how many of you hear the word discipleship and you think nurture I mean if you think outreach how many of you think nurture. Ok yeah I did I should have said all that before I said what I 1st said because you know that discipleship has to be both but but I when people hear there are different definitions that they have so when we have in the church manual right now where we made a change at the last session about you know the church board the 1st work of the board used to read something like the 1st work of the board is to is evangelism in and all of its phases. And spoke specifically about the events of strategy and planning of the church now it's a little confusing to be quite honest it starts by saying. You know it should be discipleship that's having an active plan of discipleship and then it says which includes both evangelism and the nurture members Ok that's good I'm cool with that but then underneath the work of the board it has number one you know have an active discipleship plan number 2 evangelism in all its phases number 3 you know plan of the cycling new member and if that's if all of that is in evangelism and all of its phases then you don't need it listed in separate places so we almost confuse the matter by by both combining it and then in other places we break it out the point for us to know is that there is only one mission and when we think of it that way then we do not say things like this you know what. I think this church we're not ready for evangelism we need 2 or 3 years of working through some issues and growing the church members and just focusing on spiritual growth before we get serious about a mandolin we're not ready for that you want saying that you know why because you can't grow spiritually. If you're not engaging the people in eventually them it's impossible in fact Ellen White makes a statement and it may have been shared already but is absolute powerful where she says that. Pastors should teach church members that in order to grow in spirituality they must carry the burden that the Lord has laid upon them the burden of leading souls into the truth so if we want to grow spiritually we have to carry the burden of leading souls into the truth so as a church if you want your members to grow spiritually you can't leave out you can't separate evangelistic outreach from nurture of the existing members. So when we talk about department planning we need to recognize that every department is has the same end goal it's not that some are nurture and some are outreach it's as separate goals they may have a different a different emphasis Ok that that plays into the overall cycle of vandalism but they're all aimed toward the same end goal and when we when we recognize that then our department planning will ultimately all be feeding toward winning souls. Somebody in the back is texting me while I'm eating and anyway. So. And I'm not going to mention who it is. Because no because I'm staying in his house and it would just be this awkward. So. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk about a couple different departments that are you know we don't necessarily always think of as evangelist departments or the things that they do as Vangelis tick but we need to understand how they fit into the overall mission of making disciples Ok so I've had some things passed out to you and I'm just going to highlight a couple of these one is for elders and the other is for deacons So what I want to do is take a moment and explain what can be done with these department plans every department should meet with the people in that department to develop their strategy and plan and this has been simplified from when I was here to where it simply has the responsibilities of the plan and then on the back it has your action plan it's actually very simple but we're going to talk about why. We need to not over simplify if you look at the back on the bottom of the back of both of these sheets What does it say the very bottom scheduled department meeting dates Now you'll notice we have elders here and we have deacons there's there's one of these that is being developed for every department we have for most every department but they're being redesigned so some of them will be coming later but they all have that on the bottom schedule depart meeting dates Now why would you need to meet as a department especially the deacons why in the world with the deacons have to meet really well but they are on the same page because the head deacon does that schedule thing and it has their names and it has the date that they have to collect the offering and the dates that they are going to be involved in communion so as long as they have that sheet Why do they need to meet us. It's not the whole job well how do we know it's not the whole job you have the Bible we have a church manual Yes. Oh we have we now have a deacon and book to boot I'm only saying just as my my sister and I were just talking at school and oh no. He said. It was going by the book and he should not be the kid oh is that what he's this guy who lives. In this is so. Bars responsibilities. That he is not as. Or what we are going to be getting our church are not. Are you the head deacon but yours you're a deacon and he's a deacon. Is this system had Deacon Ok well you guys worked out. But we're going to we're going to talk about what you're sharing right now because I'm picking up what you're laying down so this idea of of deacons meeting really the only reason you need to meet is if you actually have a desire to do more than what you're doing and so who would want to do more than what they're doing right so this is the this is the mindset that we have to change in our churches which is we are not as Christians just trying to do the minimum to get bias not what we're trying to do we have a mission so you heard what I said in the beginning that every department has the same mission how do you define the word mission though that is our mission make disciples but what is a mission it's a purpose. It's a goal. It yes it's a goal and a purpose but it almost mission has this sense of almost also incorporating. Mode as well like like you you not only have a purpose but you have you have. You have a mission. Is one of those words that doesn't have a synonym for. Everything that you do is driven by your mission so if this is true and if the departments have the same overall mission as the church then you have to ask yourself the question if the mission is to make disciples then the deacons have to ask themselves how are we how are we fitting into the overall mission what are we doing to contribute to the mission and if they come to the conclusion that an accurate schedule of collecting the offering is not sufficient to what they could be doing then they will have to meet you have to get together and I have talked about let me tell you something else that happens at nominating committee time. How many of you have ever gotten a call at numbing community Ok and you get somebody on the phone this. Calling from nominating committee and say I'm sorry that there is this I can't go here no you immediately listen you're ready to hear what they have for you and they tell you that they want you to be an elder They want you to be a deacon they want you to be a personal ministries leader only to select you. And when they do with one of the 1st questions it's asked if you have a certain number to me Ok well what is involved in that what do I need to do and. You know now after that what happens becomes a little fuzzy some people communicate very well others not very well there are some books that the mission Congress puts out that has responsibilities there's obviously responsibilities in the church manual that maybe are not quite as specific to your local context but you can find some things and say but what people really think they are signing up for is not what you tell them just be clear about this is not what you say to them it's not what's in the church manual it's not what's in the Michigan Bluebook you know what it is it's what the people who are in the church currently do in that position that they think they're signing up for so you can tell them Oh you can read the book or whatever you know here's an e-mail I hand you this list this p.d.f. page has this list of responsibilities the what they're really doing is looking at the deacons that are currently serving in the church and they're learning from them what it is that's involved in being a deacon that's what they end up doing now one of the things that that causes is a whole list of things that are responsibilities in almost every every office in the church that are never done they're never done and nobody is meeting to plan to get them done either because our departments are not planning. They're just doing you know the minimum that they need to do as a general rule the church board kind of plans events and things for the overall evangelists extract but the departments are not necessarily planning they might have a conversation here or there but there is not planning going on so what you're doing here is you're actually changing the entire paradigm shift for your church your changing the concept of what it means to be part of a department minister it's a ministry and we are going to evaluate as a church and as a department how we are cobbling the responsibilities 1st and foremost that we've been given so let me give you some for instances let's start with deacons deacons on this list get around here. There has to be a schedule to ensure that all responsibilities are met most churches make sure that that happens because that's the only way because really the minimum in a church which is often what churches do is making sure that the church service operates so anything related to the church service usually gets done so there's a schedule to make sure that communion is properly taken care of and schedule to make sure that offerings are probably take care and that's. Always as general to care and sure opening closing of the facility for church services and events this is a necessity so it tends to happen restock untidy items in the church pews Sometimes yes sometimes no ensure the collection of the offerings each Sabbath again part of the regular services and so usually happens repairing a system baptismal services and communion the same provide end or supervise church custody a work Ok so now this is getting a little outside of the church service and sometimes it works well sometimes it doesn't ensure the maintenance of church grounds ensure regular maintenance and repair of church facilities how many of you have that going on by. Ok for a zinger. Most churches and I have served and do not have regular meetings they have what you call. Emergency maintenance Ok There may be a couple of things that they know about ahead of time that they know is coming the roof whatever but as a general rule there is not mains so in a larger church like a church in a school type of setup you might need your deacons because your deacons are looking at this and they were supposed to make sure that we maintain Well we need somebody to be going through and checking on a regular basis we need a list of maintenance items that we make sure somebody is doing Ok Do your deacons have that are they doing that are there certain deacons assigned to certain aspects of that some to the grounds some to the school some to the church building. This is just simple planning of what they're asked to do and I would say 8 to 9 out of 10 churches don't ever do it so make it a part of what your church does and does this actually contribute to the mission of the church how does it contribute to mission the church you can't function without it but beyond that your church is kind of a carbon people. Yeah what you the appearance of your church says a lot about the message of your church. Ellen White if you want to have some fun reading Go read what she says about the dress of ministers and the effect it has on people's reception to the truth. How people see you has an immediate impact on how they're going to receive everything that you offer them so this is true of the physical plant as well it is a very critical part but most of our churches do not plan for and then of course provide visitation. You know this is part of the Deacon's responsibility for the sick poor unfortunate shut ins in some cases general membership you know before I dive into the deacon see here. I think I'll talk about visitation with the elders on Talk of visitation with the elders. Because you'll notice in the Elders it says down about 2 thirds of the way visit or contact each member or family how often at least once a year so that's what it says on this this is this is the guidelines that Mr conferences recommends that every family now that sounds you know how many of your churches have in this last year do you feel have the elders visited all the members in that year Ok do you think why do you think that is one to don't know about it. Things pastor. Yes very much there is true that the members begin to look at the pastor as. I don't want to say the pastors visit is not is worth more than the elders bit but that needs to be totally re. Communicated because the pastor cannot be responsible for all the things that the elders do and the things that he is asked by God So there needs to be a delegate responsibility doesn't mean that this takes away from pastoral visitation but elders can visit everybody in a year and yet that cannot happen unless they plan right now when you mention they might not know about it all elders know they're supposed to visit Ok they know. But they don't necessarily do it if nobody know the other elders are doing it and if there's not a clear plan to do it so what do we mean by a clear plan let me just say this when you don't plan things in your church or in your life they do not happen today so in your church the level of detail of planning you have will greatly determine how much actually happens so let's say the elders get together and they discuss the let's make our action plan or make our department ministry plan and they decide Ok we're neat we're going to figure out a plan for how we're going to visit everyone once a year day how would you think that they might plan to do that you think of anything that you would put down as an action plan yes. Ok so you can divide your church some people call it parishes or whatever but you have the whole church so let's say you have 10 elders and your church has 100 families you would divide the whole church and you would have each elder assigned 10 families right. Let's get it now let's do this let's say there's 120 families. So that each elder gets 12 families. How often would they have to visit in order to visit their 12 families in one year. Once a month. Now when you break it down like that doesn't sound difficult it really doesn't but most elders just like the rest of us when you start talking about visiting all the members are they just get overwhelmed but if you plan it and you and you organize for it then they can do it then you need to do something else you know plan how you're going to visit because sometimes the elders aren't sure what to do on a visit so the reason they're not visiting is because they don't know what they're supposed to do when they go visit so there needs to be a plan Ok this is going to be a 30 minute visit these visits are not. Social gatherings this is the elder visiting with a spiritual visit like a pastoral that so the elder will visit the elder will you know ask and you know start with in a very casual way asking about the family what have you you might have you know 10 minutes of just breaking the ice and then asking if they have anything to do they need prayer for asking them how they're doing in their own family in their own spiritual life I recommend that elders take a a book that they can share with the visit so that they give them sort of a. You know some I read not the need to reason but it gives them something tangible that they're taking with them I used to give my elders you know about 2 men a blessing the. Price of the quest and that's across a nice version of it and I would say when you make visits you go and take this to the home and encourage them to read it. So you take it you encourage them you ask them how are things going with your own spiritual I have a family worship is that something that you know you want any help in or needs materials or resources or. You know and then what things you need prayer for you listen to them ask with a prayer for the new pray for the family make sure that you get any kids who are in back rooms or whatever all come into the living room and you pray for each one of them by name. And then you thank them and you go and you can get to your next visit in a generally about 15 minutes or so so you can schedule to that it's in the evening no problem if you happen to have to take 2 per month you can still get them both done in one evening you can take your wife with you you can take you know a deacon with you in some cases another elder may want to share the load and go with you but ultimately it's not you know you need a plan for yes we're going to do this every you know frequency but then you need to plan for the elders so they know what they're going to do right my point is we might have thought well you tell them how frequently and then we're done because that's easy they can do that but we sometimes forget Well the plan is not over yet because they don't know what they're doing and then something in some cases I would tell my elders if they weren't doing it I was a bring your calendar to the next elders meeting and when we got to elders meeting we would find out when they were going to everybody you know look at your next month and let's decide when you're going to make your visit this month and plan it right there get another calendar and explain to them that you know there's only you know it always something else will always come up if we don't put it in our counter so we need to make sure we put this in our counter this is that the mindset of planning is that planning is when you actually really plan to do something. Some people develop something that loosely resembles a plan but they don't really plan to do it it's it's it's theoretical and so we need our planning to go down to the very level of getting stuff done there has to be accountability in our churches there has to be action in our churches you know and why is how do these member visits contribute to the mission how do member visits contribute the mission. Member retention Ok so there's one way is that if you're if the mission is to make disciples and have those who continue on in your church you know you're not doing too well if the members are not you know feeling connected and they're leaving out the back door that's on the other hand over here there was somebody in here. Was a nurturing your members of and nurturing your members again contributes the other thing is when ever you go anywhere you are always speaking up the mission so when you're visiting with members you're also talking about the mission and you know how you know things are going in their own involvement in the ministry of the church and in their own personal witnessing in their own life these are things that the elder can actually engage in conversation with the members about so when you see a list let me just say this when you see a list of 20 things one of the things that can happen when somebody makes plans is they write a paragraph of plans and that paragraph of plans actually does not check all the things you're saying I'm saying so oh we're going to do this. This happens all the time with. This happens all the time with. This this is this is one of the main reasons that we break down evangelistic planning into 5 phases because if you don't do this and even if you do churches develop evangelists Nick plans they're very busy but when you look at it closely you find that they're only doing this and this and maybe a little of this you know salmon I mean but when you have it broken down then they have to ask themselves what am I doing here what am I doing here what am I doing here here and here we are so much more careful in our personal lives and oftentimes in our work life in our jobs then we are in the church when it comes to the mission and ministry of the church and so this helps us to be responsible helps us to be careful we should rumor making these plans deacons and elders be going through each item Ok so we're done with our plan let's go through it again to make sure that we've covered everything we've got a plan and we're going to be able to accomplish everything Item one of $2.00 and $3.00 go to Yes Ok we've got a plan for everything and then each department if they actually planned evangelistic events they can put those events into account and that's what this cardstock one has is a count of events is very simple it has just the date in the event Now why do the departments do this in part so that they're thinking for themselves what are the major things that we are going to be planning together for the year but in part because they're going to submit this and each department will submit it and then the church board will evaluate the combination of all the events from all the departments and what's going to happen when all the events from all the departments get added together it's actually going to become. In most cases well often become. Too aggressive more than you can do they'll be things that are happening on top of other things that sort of thing and so once you get everything together then together you decide where you can pare down or in some cases we've got nothing going on all summer you know we could we could do something there or you can you can fill it but you pull them all together and then you develop your master plan from that so just. Discipline. That's a different class but go ahead of a major question was so say something was asked to step down from that position session. Right away but had to have her. Purse was. Like should I speak to the elders as artist as in the past 3 times went nowhere. Bring it to the elders I've spoken to them individually and they keep promising me that they're going to bring happen they're meeting and then. In 2 years yeah. It's not an easy situation when the pastor is not responding to a situation like. The elders you know they're going to any type of disciplinary type of thing they're going to defer to the pastor. And so. Only thing that I would say if the pastor has not given you a firm Hey I'm not dealing with this but is just seems negligent to deal with that then I would keep on the pastor. And I think you know. What we're talking about with developing plans from always down at the department level is something that most churches don't do and what that means is that a lot of our church officers are not really engaged in a lot of the things that are part of their job responsibilities so there needs to be a level of while we are calling to a new level of involvement there needs to be a great level of patience and. You don't want to be. Perceived as a taskmaster you know right from the chute and not sympathizing with people's situations and schedules and all that but that's why you bring them on board and that's why when you're talking about it like when I've dealt with Elder visitation I would get the elders going I would ask them how to plan Ok so how are we going to visit all the family Ok We're Oh Ok we divide the number one enemy Oh Ok well that's this many visits How do you all feel about. You is that something you know like if they themselves have said yes that's something we can do then it's a lot better than if you say this is what I want you to do even if you feel like it's reasonable. That's still not going to be you know he would come back in the same way as if they themselves have bought into it and actually been part of the process so that's what makes the planning so important and then you know what you need to do you need to meet again so what is on the back of this plan is a schedule department meeting dates elders you know they can meet no less than quarterly but they can meet monthly every other month or quarterly Deacon's same thing I would say deacons can be quarterly and if nothing else they get together and ask themselves how are we doing with the plan that we talked about and actually assess and the other thing that meetings do is meetings create a little bit of a they they stir up people's peer minds Ok I need I need to do I need or they you know they're just a little bit of accountability and in the church we have so little accountability I mean it's it's sad you know I mean compared to what we experience and all of our other organizational relationships from family to work to you name it the church we're so afraid to upset anyone and so as long as they are breathing we are you I mean it's it's really sad we actually with our young people it's the same thing you know if they come to church and are sitting in the pew we are feeling like you know that is the height of success we need to have a totally different outlook on what we're trying to create we're trying to make disciples and this is a this is a a different level Ok than what we are lying ourselves to settle for. And we should allow ourselves self or in our own. Ministry involvement and we shouldn't allow that in our church ministry and. Our churches need to have a level of accountability yes. Rich. Or. Yes This this is Speaking of members Ok on here because that's. Certainly the. The minimum but. But we haven't even gotten into elders involvement in. Evangelists tick activity. Our elders and yet notice it says encourage personal truth sharing labor among the members It also says guide and encourage members in growing in their personal relation with Jesus by striking the habits of person by was that a prayer and family worship. You have these. Things that the elders are to be encouraging other people in. So they themselves need to you know evaluate their own lives in the same way and if they're encouraging the members to be sharing their faith then they want to exercise that in themselves and so I always encourage the elders to be involved in interest visitation tomorrow we're going to talk about interests Ok the reason we need interest the development of interest how to coordinate interest how many of your churches have an interest coordinator Ok that's been going by the wayside you know why we have so few interest coordinators is going to have a lot of interests and interests are the life the heartbeat of your church. If your church is not does not have a driving goal to get interests then it's not really involved in the mission of the church. So that. You know a little bit boldly there but I think that we need to understand that is what is missing in many of our churches we're not actually trying to get interest in what is an interest interest to somebody who's interested in spiritual things some of we've either developed an interest or we've discovered that their interest those are the the precursors to those who receive the truth and are baptized and become disciples so the starting point is interests and we've got to be active in interest and so if elders are really focused on the mission of the church then they're not just going to be focused on visiting the existing membership they are going to have in mind a burden for the growth of the church which would involve some visitation of interest it could be in connection with the bench Lissac meetings it could be in connection with your Bible study ministry it could be in connection with your children's ministries it could be in connection with. You know your school all sorts of avenues by which you can get interests but the bottom line is yes elders can be involved in that as well and should be I had one elder who when I talk to the elders about Bible studies by the way I have a Bible study burden Ok I'm one of those crazy people who thinks that just about any member can give a Bible study. If you look back at our history we had what were called Bible readings and the reason that the church got so excited about bible readings you know and some of you have heard of bible readings for the home circle which the much of the question and Bible answer studies the reason that our church got so excited about this was because here was a way of spreading the truth it wasn't depended upon the ministers the church members could simply have these readings with people who were you know and aware of the truth and they could read the question read the answer in the Bible and have this full topical study of the truth with you know and members could do it and when. When Stephen Haskell invited people to training he said for this Bible Reading Institute is a 10 day training he said whether you're old or young whether your head is sprinkled with gray you are none too old to read the scriptures and to tell what God has done for you now can I think just about any member can read the scriptures and tell what God has done that's that was his point so I'm one of those crazy people Ok now I don't know it when people move in stages and levels them up telling everybody they have to go right out in this moment I'm telling anybody with a little bit of training and a little bit of preparation pretty much can do a Bible study and that being the case I encourage my oldest you bows to you know what time. Is it up or is it over oh it's only about 2 minutes so. I'll give you 3 so this idea of giving Bible studies one of my elders wasn't really crazy about the idea he said Pastor I think you're going to need to find another group of people in the church who are not so busy because the elders they're chosen as elders because they're professionals who are involved in lots of things outside of the church plus in church their own serving on different committees they're asked to do this that and the other and so you might need to get a different group of people to give the Bibles to and I said well maybe I have another idea what if we just took some of your responsibilities away from you and then you biased it because quite honestly I have a greater need in the church for people who are willing to give Bible studies and people who are willing to stand up on the platform and some more that's the truth and who else would you want to give the elders Why do we choose elders to be elders they have experience discernment right they can teach right who else would you want to be giving Bible studies so I tell them Hey I do the old Steven Haskell thing he told farmers who didn't want to share their faith because they were too too many acres he said sell off 40 acres or so that's what I don't so I tell the elders look back off you know what take you out of this position take you off this committee whatever as long as you say yes I'll give one boss anyway. There's no reason why we can't elders cannot be engaged in other things besides just visiting and so these are all part of a plan of action every department works on together and they roll it together then and that's how you develop a master plan vans and that's all focused on the mission the next session in about 10 minutes we're going to talk about the master plan of mansions and I'm a walking through what that looks like and how you can now plan as a whole to make sure that you're covering all the bases in your business extract Ok let's brick father heaven thank you for this time we've had together and I pray that you would bless the remainder of our afternoon as we seek to. Just wrap up the concept of a church planning and strategizing in a practical way that will make sure that the mission is carried out according to your so bless us to this and we pray to Jesus this media was brought to you by audio 1st a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse if you would like to listen to more sermons lead to visit w w w audio verse or.

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