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Market Gardening Part 4

Matthew Dealy Deidre Dealy

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There’s more to growing than meets the eye! During this class the Delays will share knowledge they have gained over their last nine years of gardening for market. They will cover topics such as planting, seeding, weed management, irrigation, etc. 

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  • January 15, 2020
    1:45 PM
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Dillard again we thank you for the opportunity to be together and to meet new people that are like minded and on their own journeys and. Thankful that you have given us each a separate journey and you have a different destination I guess the same destination for all of us enough to be with you and we pray that as we as we talk for hours that you would be glorified in that. I want to get a better glimpse of you and your plan for that in Jesus name. All right so this is the business of farming and. This going to go on a lot of different directions so we're going to go a lot of different directions and we'll see how it goes. So we're going to start kind of west. Our testimony and. That was in 2010. I'm sure it's sort of part one we're going to talk about testimony some business structure and insurance infrastructure. So this is the story of us so we have I have a background in construction and my wife and food service 10 years ago in 2010 we had no interest in agriculture and I want to say we had no interest I mean we kind of grew up having gardens on one time we had we had some friends in our church and they were trying to grow bigger fatter garden and I don't think we're a part of it but it kind of inspired us and with a little thing but. We basically had no interest and. We had some friends the lessers Larry and Michelle or Mikey that were out in Seattle and they had a farm and I remember going out to their farm and visiting and it was like we were out there for a couple hours is like an eternity like we just go get the feared to get out of here like you know I was more into action sports like nail guns and you know. It's interesting how the Lord changes us. So we've worked our We've built our 1st house during our 1st year of marriage with little prior experience and I was like 22 my wife was 23 and everyone said we were crazy and we probably were. And then we went on to build several other houses. So what really piqued our interest was we started a church garden. At our church in the back there and. It was getting to the point where we were trying to spend more and more time at the garden and I was this was after 2008 Thankfully we sold all our houses right up to 2008 pretty much at the peak of the market not because we were really good but because. The Lord blessed us and we got out while the getting's good about. And I went we had our 1st kid and I went to work for a friend or I'm construction and the economy kind of went down and we were doing a lot of commercial construction and I was driving up to 2 hours each way to work and and I'd stop by on the way home sometimes and visit during the kids at church at the garden and we just felt like we were trying to spend more and more time out there and. We had a like a month lapse and jobs and so I was kind of forced to stay home and. Where can I sit there one day like this agricultural thing let me kind of fun and I can be together more and. More which one of the set up as somebody said well maybe we should just go do an internship and we can look tell you trailer for a couple seconds feel like find this do it. And that was how we did it we left our work at that time I was making I don't know $6500.00 an hour doing commercial construction and no experience in agriculture and we pretty much quit and left and we went to Black Hills Health and Education Center and we made $600.00 a month. For 6 months and our big plan was to go back to Seattle on our last $600.00 stipend and we didn't have a house we didn't have we did but we rented it out so we didn't know what we're doing. I don't know if I'd recommend this to everyone but we like to jump in and flip it was 21213 basically says that the Lord will give you make your desires his desires and he'll make a way for it to happen. All right a lot of you give us this desire you know because I was the kind of guy that would go to Barnes and Noble Look at all the books and. See whatever and agriculture just like slab sided head and didn't come from a so we jumped into farming with both feet. And and one quick thing when we were a Black Hills we had planned on. This job I had we were going to make we're going to try and save like $30000.00 over the summer. And when we went to the Black Hills. And were making $600.00 a month a month before we were supposed to come back my brother got married and Washington we drove back to Washington and. We lived right next door to my parents my wife moved in next door to me that's how we met and then we built multiple houses so when we went back to visit we'd stay with her dad and we had houses there and the day after the wedding my neighbor called me and said Your house is on fire. And I just happened to be there so we ran down the street to help get the fire out and everything and. After we got the answer and money we redid the work and guess what. We had about $30000.00 left over we made $600.00 a month worked on the farm or with the family and the large still gave us some money so for us that was kind of a confirmation that Phil provided help make it happen so. So we came back and I don't know where all that money went but we started healing food farms and. I remember we went to the local church because they had this nice piece of land and talk to them and they didn't even think about it they just said no we're not interested and we're afraid that if you have a garden the birds will put up on the roof and. I don't know whatever so but there was a guy there as I said I have 5 acres you can use and you can just work in the barn and you can use it for like 5 years and tell you get some money and then you can start your own farm. And I have an inmate another guy at a job site and he had a tractor he was trying to sell and he lives literally like a mile down the road so he's like I'll just try to do some work and you can use the tractor so we had landed a tractor. We trench the water line from the neighbor it was probably. 1500 feet away and our house was 15 minutes away. Which is kind of what I would recommend that if you're going to start a farm down to that we had no electricity or a cooler or a wash station or tools or nothing the only thing we had a cedar that was like this you know. $200.00 seater we had 2 hands that was a. Diet we had no debt and our investment capital was approximately $3000.00. At this point we had 2 kids my wife was a nursing school and we were putting her through nursing school with no loans so this isn't like this isn't a great scenario to sort of farm so your farm your one your farm but your one we had one farmer's market we had 812225 person home delivery service and c.s.a.. And you know we grew up there so we knew a lot of people selling food wasn't the issue it was growing the fear and. It was sold to local grocery store and one restaurant. And I was our 1st year we grossed right out $2800.00. That's the total amount we made. Like how do you. And you guys eat more than that so. We we lost our entire tomato crop to blight. And the season came to a screeching halt in August like nothing grew like we're going out there which is done. So. That was our peak season should have been so the year number 2 was basically a repeat of the 1st year. And this was just large trying to like. Me up so I'm like I come out of construction like the practical side is not hard for me you know if you need to do it you just get a tractor you get a tool. To make it work. And that that's not always how it works he was trying to slow me down and I remember reading on why she says you have to go into nature and look at nature and trying to understand it and I'm like how do you do that you know. So you know I'm out there I'm trying to do this thing and we have 2 things on our property that grew in abundance of Japanese knotweed. And country. And country we didn't even know was there so we had the fortunate fortunate opportunity of killing and like 2 acres to come free and then telling it again. And again and they were like What's all the stuff anyway so by the end of it we had company that was this tall. And we were cutting it and putting it in big drums and let it break down and fertilizing and it had everything in our soil native but when you put it in big drums and start spraying it out smells like manure. I thought it smelled like gold but other people had different opinions. So somehow we heard about Bob Gregory and we call them and we decided to go out there and he basically said he we sent him our soul report. Which I guess I decided that was a good thing to take to get and he said it was the worst oil report he had ever seen for someone trying to make a living on the land. So that was encouraging to us because like. This isn't our fault and we don't know anything but it's not a fall so time for prayer and reevaluation. Just out point we were called away for some reason I thought that we were qualified to run the farm and the Black Hills Health and Education Center. You know but the actual planting it like the farm inside of it we did pretty good we just didn't know anything about soil. So we went there for 2 years we added infrastructure we worked on the washed back Panshin we managed and terms there we expanded the c.f.a. program to 75 people. We had multiple wholesale accounts with farmers markets and 75 per cent c.s.a. program in South Dakota as a little stressful when. You know we had times one hell storm or come 3 when all you have left is beets and carrots and. The Lord always provided. So we were there for 2 years and we were called away again we accepted a position that. Daystar haven't asked Academy. Ever heard of that place. It's a great place to live. So we helped establish the market garden there. We put on defense irrigation washed Pak We assisted in further building local market streams and one of our biggest question was to get the entire campus involved with the farm make it central to campus life. So it was a huge blessing and after 2 years we kind of decided that. Having our kids that we had 4 kids by this time and having them at a high school wasn't the best place for us to be at that point our life so we decided to move away and we were reading well for a ministry and we felt impressed to go into welfare ministry and a door opened up in Kentucky. And so we went out there were there for 3 months and you know we were looking for property and we were looking for we were just trying to do our part we didn't have any money but we were looking and waiting on the Lord and all the doors close and it was coming up to. Fall and we were living in a barn and the newer nicer barn but still it was it was a barn. And I think it had he and. Now we're just waiting. So. Out. So we got called home to South Dakota and. We had our There was a friend there are a couple older couple and there are 7 days. And they called us one day and said How are you we see you guys are kind of floundering out there which I would say we were and they said we have this property we knew them well from before they volunteer on the farm and you know we'd like to turn it over and over to younger couples we're thinking about doing later but maybe now's the time and. So we went out and talked to them and it worked out we've moved out there are a few weeks later and so we we've partnered with them and our plan was a 5 year transition plan. And our plan was to build a house on the property. So we've been there for 3 years and things don't always draws plans and I hope you guys can see that like we don't have any idea what we're doing as we go right. We didn't come up with this grand plan of this is what we're going to you know we're going to South Dakota do this in this mess like The Lord of Lords opening our door and we're moving forward. Yes or no process why hold 1st and so we decided. That we're going to partner with them for 5 years and then. If we want to keep them on if they want to keep working there already retired so we could do that so we decided that the best way to do that. Was to start a limited liability company or else he. Took a lot of work trying to figure out all the ins and outs of that because I'm not a lawyer or a farmer builder or whatever. But. In writing the operating agreement. That made us ask all the questions we had to ask I think a lot of people going trouble when they join up with other people or say we're going to do this and it sounds all great but you get going down the road in people's minds change or family member dies or they say oh I can back money at this or who knows what but. So probably took us a good 6 months working on the operating agreement and we went through everything like what happens if you guys get divorced or we get divorced or what happens if somebody dies or your kid wants to come in and take over or we try to think of every scenario. Possible and think it out and write it out. And I think that was one of the biggest blessings that we could have done. So recommended reading books we talked to you. I read this book which is run your own corporation. And it's really good I read it probably 4 times here and there through and some of it makes sense and some still doesn't make sense. But. It's a good book. We talk to it so what we did is we I read this and then we wrote up an operating agreement and everything and I had found a lawyer that would look at it. So we went down we paid her I don't know too much for like an hour we sent it to her she read it she looked at it and she made these recommendations and she said You guys are good so instead of paying her to write it all we just wrote it and then she looked it over. So as other options. You can do a sole proprietorship. And many farmers not only farmers but many business people choose this option it's much simpler we may be switching to the structure because we're not partnered with them anymore it is easier. You know we're small we don't really have a lot to to lose at this point. There's also downsides and basically that the benefit to an l.l.c. is that like it's own entity so if people came after you they couldn't just go after all your personal stuff and then go after the company but not all your personal stuff but if a lawyer knows what he's doing you can also probably got your personal stuff too but. There's an extra layer of protection there. Is also other benefits like if somebody was to. Try and sue you for eating or tomato that I thought was wrong you know if they got on there and saw that you were analyse they would have to think Ok Do I really want to pay a lawyer or whatever to go through all this process you know if it's a sole proprietor they can just. They can just to you on that makes a lot easier the other thing to think about is that sole proprietorships are a lot of headway more than l.c.s. or other companies. And the reason is because. Easy to go down to get us sole proprietorship anyone can do it and. I guess I think that more people if you go through all the work of getting l.c. are different things you probably have a better idea of what you're doing so you can think about that. So a corporation is. In my opinion is a lot of work with little benefit to the small guy and I'm saying small guy like you know if you're making $30000.00 a year. Don't spend 6 months trying to figure out your business like to start making money and figure it out as you go. But liability protection is the goal and. There are some tax considerations but like I said if you're not if you're making over a $100000.00 a year than $80000.00 by talk to an accountant figure out what's best for you. The others are set in stone if you start out with a sole proprietorship you can switch to an l.c.. If you have an l.c. you can switch to something else sometimes it gets harder electric here but you're not set in stone and basically there's too many scenarios to try to cover which is best it's not a one size fits all and. If you have more questions you can ask us. So insurance. We recommend that you find a good and assurance agent in your area we use one of Dave Ramsey it's indorsed local providers and she's been good to work with so right now we have wasted $2000000.00 in live coverage and that cost us $250.00 a year. And. And we were required to have that for farmer's market so we're already paying for live all the protection. You can also get. In a brawl ball thing which can give you more protection and those aren't that expensive either so. What I've heard and I'm not a lawyer but what I've heard some people are doing more now is that they're just getting more liability coverage with their insurance and kind of skipping the step of. Saying some things but people do a lot of things I don't know that's good enough but that's what people are doing. So what. Sort of argument would. Be suffering. So when we receive the Black Hills basically or the partnership with this this older couple and they manage our lives by a certain part of the agreement was that if they start. So we have life started in the life of South Dakota there are benefits of going back because they knew the market had been there we you know we were there for 2 years of the Black Hills an education center we have established customers we left no one no one stepped in and filled that market so they were basically sitting there waiting when we came back. We knew that we have something to contend with the one we went back to it was just stuffing and everything. Is basically a bunch of cattle ranchers and of the local food movement there is pretty much nonexistent and so you know there's a lot of education that we have to do. There's a smaller population base there's a seasonal a lot in the summer because there's a lot of people to come to see Rushmore and the Black Hills and all that but. We don't have like a really big metropolitan area that service. We have a really short growing season that even during our growing season we have some extreme weather so we holding a little bit out this morning and have a couple of pictures on here to show you some of what we deal with so this was the Hill store that we had there was some our 1st year back and it was like August 20 something and we went to church we came to this hail and it just destroyed I mean these are strawberries and it's like nothing. It destroyed everything that was outside and a lot of what was in our great house and if you're unaware. I could get home or in time it's really very 1st slightingly you can get really speaking. For their son flowing in and I saw there are extreme weather in the summer I guess. So and then this was. The Spring. Just as May 23rd I took these pictures I think this is our girly down here we had about 18 inches of snow and we weren't expecting it so we didn't open the roof on the greenhouse so we had a huge snow load up there wet heavy snow. Which actually did some damage to the greenhouse but. Yes just really unexpected things that happen any time we get under some of the season like it could be hail we don't know so we try to cover as much as possible. So we knew going in that we needed some infrastructure to deal with that so we want to talk a little bit about infrastructure and. When you're deciding what kind of a structure to get whether it's green houses are talking shit or if you want to set up a house for prosecuting like. First you want to stuff what resources you have available right because. When you don't have the money then you can get pretty resourceful and you can make things like we were showing you this morning some of the tools that we've made because it's a fortified school or things like that. And then if you're starting from ground the room you want to sing long term and a little bit we talk a little bit about of being somehow made a big investment by the big 3 but every improvement that we have to make is a huge investment every step of the way and so if you start small start with something small that you can add on to maybe not like a grandiose level. And in the audience a good idea when if you're thinking about like. Investing in something to do a cost versus income potential compare if you want to talk about that for us a little bit too. I'm not sure if we're talking about later but. As far as that goes we don't recommend going into that especially. We don't recommend going into that at the beginning especially I don't know that we encourage you to go into debt what are but you know if we want to go on to our 1st 2 years we would have been hosed. You know if we want to go out and bought a $20000.00 tractor in the semester and we made $2800.00 a year it would have been good. You know we've been doing it now for 10 years we feel like we have things pretty. Streamline dial not dial down but like we know where we're going you know at the beginning we start with a tractor then we've got a bigger tractor and bigger tractor and then no tractor so we feel like we're pretty. Settled and in the type of farming we want to do. So basically all this is showing that. You know if you're going to have a greenhouse that's going to cost you. $20000.00. Monthly loan payment of $378.00 and let's say that you're going to earn $4.00 a square foot as I greenhouse you will generate $12000.00 in revenue in a year one loan payments are going to be $4500.00 and then next year you get a little better and you're making $5.00 a square but you know the long time it's the same and by the end of it you're 8 you're making $24000.00 a year 5 you're making $8.00 a square foot and you're up to $24000.00 so. Face it all this is showing us that for the cost of $22680.00 you have the potential of generating $91500.00 and I would just like to say that I've seen a lot of great farmers on spreadsheets. Right. And it doesn't always mean that you're going to get it all this is just kind of shown to you like if I invest $20000.00 I have the potential you know of generating $91.00 so. Can I afford not to do it can I afford to do it those are the kind of the questions so there's a quote that goes something like a farmer to be an optimist Kerry would still be a farmer so he was growing a farm like we're kind of like these perpetual and then and so when we're talking about press the numbers you have to be less than optimal and more real life simply really. Maybe style is best for a little I don't know that it's better to be realistic then to have. A mistake and be wrong. Yes even if you cut these numbers in half you know you still have the potential of generating $20000.00 or above your loan payments some other kind of without showing. So you want to measure prize minimize up front cost by having multi-purpose structures so you know for us instead of building a tool shed we put our tools in the greenhouse which also helps with deficiency. You know this you are moving our packing shed to our greenhouse. So you want to use what you have or invest for what you made. So we chose to not borrow money. We have the greenhouse structure it wasn't necessarily our plan to have it but we got it and it just so worked out that we sold our last house in Seattle like the week we needed the money and so we bought that. We bought a green house before we had property which doesn't make any sense but. So our package we had a. A $24.00 foot moving truck which was in there another Americal when we were in Seattle and the Lord told us to Blackwell's we had a pickup truck that we felt the Lord was telling us to get away doesn't make any sense for moving across country we have this pickup truck but we gave it away and it was like a week later the guys that had the farm there in Seattle said we've got this 24 foot moving truck we're going to give you and they put new brakes on it they changed the title for us and they gave us a $1000.00 in gas. So that was a big confirmation that the largest. And we use that thing to move to South Dakota and then to Utah and then to Kentucky and then back to South Dakota so once we got the South Dakota we had were down moving and we ripped the box off the back and plunked it on the ground and that was our packing shed. Yes just like a big yellow shipping container says best salvage on the side. So basically we made we've been making it work with little upfront investment. We've built as we needed step by step process as the need arises this isn't always the best way because I mean literally the 1st year you know we're like we're going to irrigate and we're trying to dig ditches and this is that's done now we have the less we're going to wash it more like building the packing shed and it's not ideal but that's what we had. So this is you can't really see it but that's our 1st year we have a roof on we don't have sides on. So there's our packing shed you can and stark but basically the packing shed is 8 by $24.00 foot. And that's a triple basing their mind that we have a tank that we wash our toes and we have a salad spinner washing machine a table that's when we wash our clothes that's where we draw them. And that's our cooler so that's where we drive them to. Yeah and then last year of the year before we added this trailer that our neighbors had generator and that's where we packed all our c.s.i. boxes before we were doing it and the other packing shed and we had a piece apply that we put down over the 3 by saying can we pack all our boxes. It's really hard though. You know just challenges like our cooler we got for free we had to put it a c n n stuff in it but it's 8 feet long so basically what we're stuck doing as we harvest for a market the whole thing will get filled up we're going to market as empty we harvest again for the next market you know so we're like harvesting repeatedly throughout the week if we had a bigger cooler you know we could harvest more in batches and store and then maybe harms for 2 markets I want time but it's it's challenging. So basically are our circumstances changed abruptly and as a lowered opens doors you pray and you walk through them so our plan was to build a house for Janet and Richard. On the property before we came they decided to break off an acre and the Lord open the doors for that to happen but we were trying to build them a house and it just seemed like all the doors were closing. And I talked to a neighbor a while back I said hey if you ever want to sell your house let us know because the Jews that was interested in moving out of the area. He came to talk to us a few months later and said Hey I'm selling the house earlier and I thought you guys interested. Were like her dad just got remarried so he wasn't interested anymore about you know the real started turning in and I said I don't know we'll think about it and that day I was talking to a friend and. I was just going to tell them about this opportunity and he kind of blurted out Well maybe we will loan you the money we're like well this is different you know had really thought about this you know not actually building a house and just farming all these things and. So I talked to General Richard are interested but we had to finance the farm. So. Like your old couple that we are like sacrifice 3 quarters of their house without a family of 4 children so that out with that we were sharing a house with them with the intention and building. On the property. You know now they want to buy the house next door and still you know. We have to come up with the money to buy their cars before they can buy a car. So now it's like where we want to do because we decided we weren't. And even if we wanted to get debt who would be stupid enough to loan us money. Right away. We don't make any money. So. So the firm of told me one day a week ammonia money he said well maybe in the meantime while we're we're praying about it you guys look around to see what you can find. And unfortunately at this point I kind of laughed. Because I I've done everything I could you know I talked of banks American talking we want to talk to farm press services and they said. You know with a family of 6 according to the national averages you guys have to make at least $50000.00 just to cover your food and basic expenses and you have to have 3 years of that you know we came out of self-supporting work which is not lucrative financially but otherwise. So I started calling banks you know I just called I had a whole list and I just started going through on. I called Farm Credit service to last because I knew what they were going to say and the guy said Well have you talked to Farm Service Agency. And I said Who in the world is that and so he told me and I called him on. You know it's not very often that you call the government agency and you talk to them and I talk to this lady younger lady and she's like Sure sounds great and I said what about this because she's not a lot of work and everything that I said they were like we can do that and. And I told her and she's like all right let's go so we drive all the kids in there you know and like we have 4 kids we go support and and I fell in love with our kids and. Anyway. They still said no problems so basically the Farm Service Agency how many people have heard about them. A small handful. So their whole. Purpose is to help small farms get started. Beginning farmers so they have some qualifications but they require some basic experience a business plan projections and so these are some of the qualifications you can't qualify as a regular bank. We met one. You must be an owner operator so you can't start a farm pay somebody else to do it you said that in Mexico. Needs to show cash flow so on paper you need a basically project that you're going to make money from it even if you know and they work with me on all these things you have to be a beginning farmer of less than 10 years so this means that you have to be starting your own farm not that you've been farming for 10 years thanks I started back in 2010 but. Are actually 1st farm of our own. Was Now long ago and they have some other basic requirements. So basically they can finance up to a 40 year long which for us was good because it kept the payments low. We're not planning on paying it off in 40 years hopefully way sooner but for us right now it's good they don't require downpayment and they have low interest rates so for us you know I would consider us high risk and our interest rate on a 40 years 4.25. With no down payment so. They have some really good features as far as. Flexibility So if I pay ahead you know if I make an extra payment and I get to a year where I have a bad year they can take that extra payments and put it towards your payments for this year. If you have a bad year they can take the whole year and put it to the end of the loan you know so like this year and fearing I guess we could have gone down there and said you know we have snow we have this and this and then us and they say Ok and take the whole year and put it to the end of the loan and they can do that I think up to 3 times before they even have to talk to their supervisor so everything is really local. And then you can have annual or monthly payment so and you can choose the date so for us we didn't have money at that time for a mortgage. So we said we want to make a payment next September or October right after the pick of the season we can pay the mortgage and so we basically got a loan on the house for 40 years no down payment and we didn't even start paying for a year. So it is really set up for beginning farmers that are trying to get things going. They also have for a loan that you can get like a 7 year now and those are a 2 and a half percent. And on those they can even defer the interest for the 1st year so if you're giving him you know $30000.00 for a green house you can basically pay the interest on that which would be like 150 dollars 400 dollars whatever it is give you a year to get the greenhouse up and running making money before you even make a payment on it so that's pretty unique and you know. That the person that we've been working with is super flexible whatever you need we can do. So they've been a big blessing and. That's. As for me. I'm really glad that we got along from that set of our friends. Because the friends if we have financial trouble it's like we go to church with them or whatever and. So granted it is the government but we feel like we're using the lords the government's money to do the Lord's work so. So basically we finance the property and got a mortgage through them and it was seamless. Kind of we were approved the day that the government shut down. And. That was a challenge because the people that were buying the people next door had already put an offer on the house in Texas and everything was like everyone was dependent upon each other and it got to the point where it's like you have less than a week to some of the money we're back and now we have to sell our house and the government still shut down you know we're kind of sweating bullets and the government reopens Finally in January and we call them and they're like well everything's reopened but we don't have any money everything has to be reallocated and come down the channels right. But they called back like 2 hours later and said we got a loan for you know from another bank a bridge loan and they've approved everything and so they got us alone the government got us along through another place for like a 2 month bridge loan and so they've really gone above and beyond to. Help us get through this process. So basically we got the money which enabled Janet returned to move next door. Part of this process was. They had to be owner operators so either General Richard were going to cosign or get off the loan and neither one of us wanted to cosign. Yeah so that if I qualified then they would take if they cosign then they would take their income and put it on the income and then we wouldn't qualify so it basically forced them out of the equation out of the business and they were Ok with that we were Ok with it and this worked out well in the long run and once again the Lord had a plan before we did. Ok So on the bottom it says once again the Lord had a plan before we did so the plan was as the generators were going to work with us for 5 years and they had worked 2 seasons. And this was the 3rd year and so they moved into their house next door. And. February March and it was about April that Richard started having heart problems and his heart was like all over the place and I would have got to the point where I would like to stop beating and then I would start up again and he went on with us for a couple months and I'm going to pace maker and it took a while to recover and then Janet in May She was having all kinds of health problems wasn't feeling good and she got diagnosed with ovarian cancer. And. So basically got to the point where they said we just need to back out which was really easy because we had already gone through all the work and the operating agreement with the l.c. And you know they just we knew exactly what to do and we did it and there was 0 stress. And is a huge blessing that they weren't in the middle of building a house. Getting cancer and heart issues that were just added more stress and made it worse. So it's really amazing how the Lord works. It's just that the Lord. Separates them from the business and from the household and everything before. This little orchestrated oh where when it did happen. That it was good for the rest. To take a few questions. So I think it's the scope of show that sometimes we thank you know like we don't like that we didn't want to go into debt but the Lord took us a different direction and. And looking and you know when we were in it we kept saying well if it's a large well then we'll just go forward you know and the government shutdown we're like man we cause us. But. You know looking back we can definitely see that the Lord was guiding and directing us to a whole process so we have a few minutes before break so I don't know if you guys have any questions are kind of our story but if you do. The question was if we did anything to improve the soil and I know. Janet Richard who was so when we left the Black Hills they said you know we're going to start a farm Celeste are to farm and they went to the agriculture conference in Tennessee and I think Texas and so he had already been amending the soil and getting that ready so when we came. The soil was. Pretty good and it's still pretty good so but that was a huge hurdle that we didn't have to jump in like Seattle so I know if this is encouraging or discouraging but it's our journey right and we're on a journey. So. Well we like to get to a point where we grow more year round but. This year it just kind of shut down so well so this year it we had really cold weather that came middle of October and it didn't leave it just stayed. And I got to where. We went from. I think I was about $2500.00 sales per week to $200.00 and I did that for about a week as like Ok this is you know all the tomatoes are dead all the cucumbers and everything so. So. It gets very cold weather really right and there have been times that we have had to made it to November and it struck. And we came across the cost to take care you know sometimes it's negative and. You know 23 times it doesn't usually save your life. You have to grow you around and you have a. Just come to the conclusion that we can do some soul. For all but the reality. To separate. Out the. Very. Take to heat. And as this kind of goes back to infrastructure so you know we have this half acre green house that we got from Kentucky which was designed for Kentucky snow load we put in South Dakota Snow designed for that so if we see that a big storm is coming at this point we have to open the whole roof which basically exposes everything inside to the elements so at that point if we want to. Continue to farm then we have to put her purse inside of that structure and create a 2nd structure to protect the crops so that we can put Roe cover over it to keep it warm enough so you know this is where if you had a 3500 that the shovel snow you know it's just a different animal and for us once we have everything going it'll be great while huge amount of space but right now. You know so this spring we're in the process of putting in heaters you know 8 heaters in there. So basically I would turn on to melt snow so that we keep our roof closed so that we keep rock cover in there and keep things going longer but. Our challenges are different than maybe ours and for different reasons are. So. So we can have that discussion we're going to talk some more finances. In the next couple hours. And you know so our 1st year we can be candid with you our 1st year farming in South Dakota we made $30000.00 and we were putting up a lot of infrastructure water farming at the same time you know we built that major green area so the next year we were still getting intimate and infrastructure but we doubled our psyche. This year we did not double our income because you know you've seen what we had the end of May and then the 1st week of October and was done and then we had our 2 partners get sick the last hour or so we had a lot of things but we anticipate that we will still have growth and. Do we have a specific number that we're shooting for. 6 think I'm going to. I think I think for us to survive without me having to work off to far as probably one take. 85290000 that's on the low side. Because. You know typically a farm you can figure like half 50 percent goes to expenses and you can live out there 50 percent to 40 or to reinvest or anything so really you know even if you made 90 and you lived on 45 it's not it's not a lot depends on where you live depends on your. Family size or property taxes all these kinds of things factor into that. As I think is doable so right now you know we made 60 this year and I'm working off the farm during construction in the winter. But you know I think this year I've made. $18000.00 off the farm so that's not a huge. We don't have to double or triple our sales to get to the point where I'm 100 percent on the farm is only. $181520000.00 and that's really not that much if I put less money into the farm you know if I paid ourselves prepare ourselves more. And actually than putting it back in the farm you know we could do that quicker so and I just want to hold on and we're going to talk about that later but there is inherent value in farming because we save our personal. Summer time set up a lot of food we live a lifestyle that we want to live together than we have our children home school and this close to a place where possible so for us it's not about Will hard numbers like the like now that we're seeing and there is no law and inherent value in. This media was brought to you by audio production a Web site dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse or if you would like to listen to more sermon leave visit w w w dot audio dot org.

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