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What does it mean when you say you're saved?

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  • October 12, 2020
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We hear the cliche all the time I've been saved I've been saved I was saved on November whatever whatever what in the world does that mean what are we saved from and who are we saved to on this episode of In verse. Coming to you from Silver Spring Maryland welcome to. The Bible based conversation or my. Temporary is. Broken. Now here's your host Justin with interest. In this topic of education we've been looking at different aspects of education not education in the book sense not education in the curriculum sense not education in the school sense but education in the spiritual sense thanks so much for joining us on this episode of inverse we are in this arc of education and we have our friends in this studio and we want to welcome you to take a deeper look at education whether you're educated or not whether you have a degree or not it's about life it's about salvation and this is a topic that's kind of abstract and we've been kind of floating around but so far at think every of the last 2 episodes have been very very very good and I've been very very blessed by them we're going to have a prayer by surprise there Sebastian and it makes you sound like a monk and I know right I was going to say the fire broke Sebastian and that sounds different a different way anyway let's please pray for us as we aim and let's pray off Father we thank you so much for your word we thank you for who you warm and we especially want to thank you for being our Redeemer and we ask that you me guide us in this discussion and we pray with David that you would open our eyes that we may behold wondrous things in Jesus name Amen and Amen so we're looking at this topic of God knowing God as a read or we've looked at knowing God as creator we've looked at knowing God and some things are going to be repeated by us good because some of these things are kind of up there and we don't want to be just kind of waxing eloquently and living in ivory towers but we repetition is good for the soul of. Things there let's go to Genesis 3 Genesis 3 Chapter 3 verses one through 15 and then Cali if you can read that for us that the greats. Yes absolutely starting in verse one and now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field was the Lord God had made and he said to the woman has God indeed said You shall not eat of every tree of the garden and the woman said to the serpent We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden God has said You shall not eat it nor shall you touch it lest you die then the serpent said to the woman you will not surely die for God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food that it was pleasant to the eyes and a tree desirable to make one wise she took of its fruit and ate she also gave to her husband with her and he ate then the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked and they sewed figleaves together and made themselves coverings and they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him Where are you so he said I heard your voice in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself and he said Who told you that you were naked Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat the woman said the woman whom you gave to be with me she gave me of the tree and I ate and the Lord God said to the woman What is this you have done the woman said The serpent the cvs me and I ate so the Lord God said to the serpent because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle and more than every beast of the field on your belly you shall go and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put in the t. between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel All right thanks Kelly that was a long passage but I think this is very foundational to all we're trying to do trying to talk about here especially that last 1st verse 15 so for those of you who are reading along with us in any fume and zonked out or if you are paying attention to your phone we want you to go back to the text and read it over because it's good to get this in your mind so secret to me we can kind of we can rewind a little bit and in the last 2 episodes What are some things that are some points that you remember or kind of fly over and catch up to speed on this episode Ok Well we like you said with we've talked about getting acquainted with God as the foundational thing in our education and acquaintance with God and then in the next episode was talking with being acquainted with him as creator because this gives us insight into who God is in the way that who he is impacts our education him as a creator and coming to now so we would Genesis chapter one in Chapter 2 he creates everything He creates humanity and he creates us in His image and we get to tempted to read now I'll call the beginning to see the beginning verses in Chapter 3 The Fall of Man the mist education all about humanity does and women always want to make sure that. People out there all are just the man that fell on about is just that just I don't know the narrative does point out that the woman was the 1st to be tempted Yes and yet it was Adam's fall that slams us into all this so that all of us aren't you mad. This conversation must take place like every church every month group shots were fired. Thousands of years after this this is what Adam and Eve. Did it. I'm going to be totally. So the fall of humanity Ok I mean the fall of humanity I would say ugh come the Miss education of humanity because you you have I mean you have raw. They have this up and saying Did God say this but God said this because he's trying to withhold knowledge from you and so there's this this element of God is trying to withhold some kind of knowledge or information from you that can be granted to you outside of the confines of him will and that's how we fall into this hole and I was a very very profound point brought up a couple episodes I don't know which offices but that there is I mean these individuals had had. An adulterated contract with it odd and access to all infinity everything and the temptation wasn't so far that events like a follow me or I mean it was all those components too but the main thing was hey there's some information that's being withheld from you and there are some knowledge or some education if you will that's outside the purview and that will make you a better more or whatever you know we were the text that was that's a very profound point because that is the temptation that all of us encounter on it on a daily basis in terms of our life lifetimes as well right Bash and going off of your point is it causes us to undermine this idea that more is always better and we we kind of get into the you know what one researcher calls the paradox of choice that more options actually leads to greater happiness but the research shows that's the opposite it's the fewer the options the greater the limitations the more satisfaction with the choices that are made so when God comes in and says Yeah don't eat of this tree the restriction is so small compared to the freedom that exists but yet the devil is like no any restriction is a bad restriction all knowledge is valuable knowledge but in the biblical concept of how to develop a person it lets us know that no only certain information is useful and valuable all information is not useful You don't need to know evil in order to do good in to pursue good in to live according to God's person in terms of quantity the irony is that that that which is evil. Is one tree that which is good are all the tree right rest and so in terms of quantity it's not even really a statistical you know marriageable mirror but that is why what Satan won with them to. But that doesn't say the like comes to actually a distrust of God's character right so it's saying yes you know God has withheld this one thing from you and but it's because his character is malicious there's something in God's character so if you're going to trust God as you know as you educate or as the one who is going to develop you you you can't trust him because he has with how that's from you and so it really comes down to a trust of God's character which interesting enough like in any educational situation it really does come down to trust you know do you trust the person who's giving you this information and so in this age of you know Internet you know you can google everything like you know I've heard friends of mine who are doctors and in the medical practice have a hard time because someone comes into the office and they think they know better than the doctor you know they're going to Wild Web M.D.'s said I've got this like Ok All right you know and it's kind of yeah I think it's like there's no trust anymore so you can educate the person on what they should do to accomplish better how to resolve so in any any kind of encounter where there's some kind of education or development or knowledge or growth that should happen and there's an individual who's responsible for that you have to trust them that they have your best interest in mind that they have the knowledge to provide for you in order to accomplish that and I'm going ahead of ourselves like the faith thing by those who carry on like what's being challenged here in God is a trust in him is he would be of my trust as far as concerns what knowledge I have I wonder I want to appreciate and go back to the thought that the just is one is that the goodness of God has been question and right and just a time when you're saying Sebastian we replace the goodness of God with just more stuff you're right more more more and more in this this this this quest for more more more more more is trying to satiate that desire for for to goodness we're going to trust. Dr Amen and how many of us you know we have a 1000000 degrees and feel like finally I have Richie overachieve there was a certain level of my life where trust can be established with me or search for certainty and trust Calley what is going on on your side of the world there. I mean this listening brings to. Genesis 3 what is what is the angle that that that this let loose for Satan the snake the serpent is going on to tempt humanity towards their. I was going to go down that but I mean it's just overarching Is this the deception and trying to wreck what God has created so he wants them to he wants them to doubt God but not just to have that one doubt and carry on their merry way but say it understands the implications of going out of God's will because Satan did it and he fell and so he understands was like I want to I want to bring that corruption and that degradation and that offshoot and it's here. And I just I'm kind of going back to really quick and it's an original but it always strikes me as interesting that verse 5 is technically correct of what the serpent says or what Satan says verse 5 just says for God knows in the day you eat if it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing that evil I thought things are true God knows that you like knowing knowing God does no good and evil and you don't so that does make you a little bit more like God in that sense and he knows that your eyes will be opened and but it's just that yeah God wants to he wants to spare us from the burden of that knowledge and this idea of more is better just really speaks to me become an endlessly curious person and I like to know everything but God doesn't withhold from us because he's arbitrary or because he's mean or because he's selfish he's like Man that knowledge will hurt you because knowing good and evil means you have to experience good and evil you can't just know about it you have to experience it sounds like God doesn't intend us to have the curiosity of the office knowledge back after the break we're going to try to save Cally from this curiosity in face of all the trees of the garden and case of that kind of knowledge as well so stay with us. Has in place been a blessing to you Do you have questions comments or feedback you'd like to leave us find us on social media by searching in the 1st Bible on Facebook Twitter Instagram or You Tube while there join us like us part us thumbs up us our handle again is inversed Bible no spaces now back to the discussion. Welcome back we're in Genesis Chapter 3 and we've been looking at the different ways that Satan has tempted all of us and tempted Adam and Eve Our original parents and the callee left commiserating a little bit with with Satan they're like Yeah I've got a curious on that you know and. I'll write a meal has that in fact that we've been we've talked about the nature the image of God that was once in a van and that image has been broken. How does that impact our ability to know to see to understand what what if I think are our foundational lens by which we view the world is distinctively altered and we see this soon as men felt they were hiding from the one person who had only done them Gooden So we see the brokenness of relationship of trust of others and right that comes as a result of sin which makes sense why God would hate it so much and why he would restrict just this one tree has completely altered your world view of how you see everything even that which has only bless you so I was hid myself because I was afraid of me like what would make you afraid of me I gave your wife the garden the earth I created you like only brought that which tantalized your senses right which only you know elevated your mind and now your reaction is hiding from God So I think when we see how many people are so reticent about religion resistant to pursuing the spiritual in seeking out God in their life we see that as a result of the fall we don't seek after gone and therefore the foundation of our education has been completely disrupted you just remove the foundation well on the learn about physics and science the works of the Creator but never understanding that those works point to something even greater beyond it so it's like spin has put us in a trap you know human humanity has been created with that is this desire for success for meaning for relationships for knowledge for wisdom and instance in finance year in its infinite. Curiosity that the callee has been has naturally in our hearts for all of us and then God is the only one who can say she ate all of those all at the same time in a very fulfilling way and develop us for for eternity the same comes in just kind of a disconnect that wipes that out but we're still left with this that you know with as you're an ing and 1st and he could supplement it with all x. y. or z. which is like you know nothing and we're left on satiated That's right that is the human condition on satiation if that's even a word because I mean I think that's that's possible because. They may be a temptation sometimes to be like well Ok because I was saying education is the foundation of the about knowing God that you're saying then do not study physics do not study science and but in reality it's that though the ultimate fulfillment that we could get from studying these things only comes in the context of their relation to God creating at the end of the day when I understand biology in the context of God as the creator of the body then biology has its fullest fulfillment in my understanding right so in whatever field of study outside of the context of God as its foundation then it becomes you know which is groping in the darkness and this. Cavern that can never be able to no matter how much we said I think there's a great irony in that as I remember when I was a student I would bifurcate the 2 I have God spiritual life and church here and then my success in life ambition and and biology and academia here and this would make my character to be more an Christ like right over you make me competitive is yank me proud I'm like man Sebastian is Sikh who is is my enemy she's my rival and trying to be number one in society and then I had the audacity to pray to God to help me success in this world yes that is that is the great writer and then when God doesn't answer that prayer I'm like What. What does go what you don't you don't even care you know that this is a great. Chapter 3 happen in my life and on the on the flip side you've got the really really devoted Christian who is anti education because they see the evil results the punishes is also of like competitiveness and selfishness that comes out of the wrong system of education as it's not that God is saying no to that saying yes we should Kristen should be the smartest in their classes because when you have God at the center of it you it opens up new vistas of understanding that you can't have actually without God in the picture and to bring it out of academia is that we should be the very best parents we've been 8 years ago it was very best C.E.O.'s or whatever whatever we are we to be very best that we're just going to bring in our business unit or one account and then back to smash. Kind of switching gears just for a moment you know talking about how God redeems us and he restores us from the Genesis 3 experience is I used to think about his restoring us in the taking us away from the practical parts of sin so meaning that you're going to restore me I'm not saying bad words I'm going to always be nice and it's just all these little different details and practical points but even part of the restoration process is one of a cry centered and a correct and real world view because you know e.c. here in Genesis 3 of let's start with responsibility writes about mediately Adam what did you do Eve Eve What did you do serpent like there's no personal responsibility or acknowledgement and choices yes and then at the same time they're also trying to be independent like I'm going to sow these clothes and keep myself I don't not going to talk to God has come to fix that I'm going to take care of myself yeah so they're dependent they're independent really should be dependent and they're taking off responsibility at the same time where God has called us that the right worldview is taking responsibility for yourself before we understanding our dependence on God so you don't is not one of the other right and so just that that idea that God wants to restore It's not even like a world view it's he wants to restore reality into our hearts because it didn't change just because we stop seeing it it's always been the way it is we just got confused along the way I want to go to pause and Sebastian who I want to go to collage to be as a actually addressing what Cally just mentioned and we go to there's a bastion afterwards closet chapter 2 verse in 9 verse chapter 2 verse 8 and 9 the Bible says Be aware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty seat according to the tradition of men according to the basic principles of the world and not according to Christ none for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily and you are complete in Him who is the head of all principality and power and I just go and do all the. That really really buttresses what you just Kelly is very interesting here in verse and verse 8 he's not talking about philosophy in terms of majoring in philosophy but it's just this world view that the world hands and it totally you know brainwashed as you want to mean in many ways I'm still getting out of this brainwashed world we all are as part of the next mission process so please don't judge me the impression I ain't. Getting out of this in him all fullness to Wells and it's just the audacity that that we just think I have more to gain from this little degree than all boldness of all in God and. And to to kind of go both ways right we're taking Colossians back to Genesis 3 is he says you are complete in him and when you look at Genesis 3 and how God reacts after they don't take responsibility after they're avoiding him after they're trying to sow fig leaves his 1st reaction is to condemn the serpent in their presence right so his very 1st words are cursed are you because of what you did write there is no investigation there is no inquiry you're done because of what you did in the in verse 15 in knowing him as Adam and Eve in their sinful state what is God's reaction to me now that I have fallen now that I've been beguiled by the philosophy of the world he says I will put enmity between you and the woman talking to the serpent and between your seed in her seed he shall bruise your head and you shall Bruce's heal so the immediate thing that God says I'm going to restore supernaturally is enmity that immediately what was lost in the fall of man knowing God as a redeemer is he says there should be tension between you and the devil but because you fall in there is no tension we naturally gravitate towards the things of false education we naturally gravitate for more for power for success for control for exactly the. Hannity and he says I need to put enmity there and so the moment that we experience any sort of resistance to the principles of the world we can be sure that something supernatural is happening in my life that God is restoring me back to true education and he saying You can't create that enmity you can make yourself dislike it it is the work of God and I think knowing God is Redeemer teaches us what is my what is in my power to do and what is the power to do and therefore more knowledge is not going to make me a better moral person and so therefore you know that over time saying because I don't that's you know underscored italicize input into fortune. Is a fact that more knowledge is not going to make me more moral I'm just creating an educated imbecile right I'm creating a Criminal Mind that is just more than just a legend criminal mind so you're like oh let me create in the Telegin criminal and give you more information but that's not going to fix the core problem which is you don't know God Therefore the image that you're going to be replicating is a broken fallen image in the end which is now taking us completely off from our original purpose and I mean you can piggyback and there are philosophies out there that talk about morality that talk about goodness for wonderful things but they acknowledge that good exists they acknowledge that good must be kept and then we I think as a as a Bible believing Christian I was a whole lot to agree but there is no path to that that you know now ranch for mention to that and when I look at more of the human condition I'm like this is impossible so again it's a you have a carrot in front of you and you can never get up as you're in this and never always take to catch that carrot So the question I have is this there are people out there listening and again we are lacking very eloquently here you've got always wonderful fairies and then a gut reaction is this one gut reaction is like these guys don't know what they're talking about out on or stand reaction number one action reaction ever to is I'm going to quit school and I'm going to go on top of a mountain top and you know dwell upon the goodness of God and then have a rainbow come between my 2 hands. And you know 2 point good what what what what are some practical takeaways that when people when they finish this lesson study when they finish watching the show they're like you know what I want to I want this to happen what are some takeaways is that a fair question if you're bringing in which means are going to be oh yeah I think 11 practical thing is the world the world doesn't have a lot of pictures of what it looks like to be successful and Godly. And the world would benefit from that the 11 tech takeaway for me in learning this stuff is Lord make me like Special saying I can't do it on my own but transform me into that which you intend you know for for my life right so in whatever area that I endeavor in make me a success as a picture of what you can do in the life of someone who surrendered to you and that is the work of redemption in my life so in when when I was a student in my academic pursuits to help me not to for me like when I was studying I would work very hard to be at the top of my class and it was totally to crush those who are under me where everyone is that they really like you most Yeah yeah I know and I was a victory for me it was I wanted to crush all the boys I didn't mind if a girl like beat me in a in the subject but if a boy got a score higher than me all girls school is very young women or old of all women all women's all women. Which is it impressive if there were none to crush and so you well that was actually part of God working in my life was I was I was never going to go to women school because that was one of my goals was to show men that I could do way better than them like no matter what didn't and that's not is what all my life felt like but a man but part of that was like more would teach me how to strive for success not to smash you know across the person beneath me but for the right reasons right out of a love for you out of a love for a desire to know you better a desire to understand you better and then what I learned to transform my life and make me. Into a more moral person rather than just a more knowledgeable person I think one of the things is you know by God's grace to become those pictures of what the world is the ending for the pictures of what would be deemed Christian looks like. Oh wow that's that's that's that's right men and men I hadn't even been about I was going to say that a practical goal for me would be on one in a way but I also want to make sure that I'm more like Christ when this semester of whatever situation is and that would be my practical to my practical take away would be. The last time is to take all these compartmental parts of our life and integrate them with the Lord Jesus integrate with the God and with God and see how God bleeds into all these areas we're so happy that you decide to join us and you partake in our conversation continue the conversation on social media what's an instant Twitter or Facebook or whatever whatever we are on we'll see you here next week on in verse God bless you. You've been listening to inverse a Bible based part of the station the callee word is wrong God Jonathan Walter Sebastian Braxton. And your host Justin. Inverses brought to you by the hope channel television that changes lives for good and more inspiring episodes there's an inverse hope t.v. news that Origen find us on social media. In the 1st 5 until next time this isn't verse.

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