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  • January 18, 2021
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Sometimes more than prayer and Bible study and evangelism and all of these things is a little bit of laughter that's required for a little bit of faith on this episode of inverse. Coming to you from Silver Spring Maryland welcome to. The Bible based conversation or my. Contemporary Issues and thought provoking. Post just within that. One of the archetypes of Judaism is the character of Abraham if you know his story he started off his encounter with God and with the development of his family with laughter and that's we're going to talk about in Romans Chapter 4 on the character of Abraham and how laughter fits into all of this in a studio with me is Sebastian Jonathan and Cally My name is Justin Kim and you're watching in verse and especially in our arc on the study Romans we are already in chapter 4 and we're to have a word of prayer and we'll dive into the text of Sebastian Can you please pray for us yes I just pray Heavenly Father thank you so much for all that you've taught us so far and now Lord we pray that ice we dive into this case study of Abraham's life its representation of the gospel and how it's always been there the grandest understanding made this inspire us in me teach us is our prayer in Jesus' name and then in justice go to chapter 4 Romans verse 9 through. Romans for verse 9 thus this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only or upon the uncircumcised also for we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness How then was it accounted while he was circumcised or on circumcised not while circumcised but while uncircumcised and he received the sign of circumcision a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised that he might be to father all those who believe though they are uncircumcised that righteousness might be imputed to them also and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the. Circumcision but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised Ok thanks Jonathan this is one of those one of those weird text right speech or the core of it or some really good stuff there but the word that you kept on repeating one after another it was a sort. Unspoken circum sort of. Circumcise It's Ok maybe this is from a our 1st question should go to Cali but I'm kind of reluctant to ask you right this question I mean on circumcision so let me ask you rather. For others who may be watching for the 1st time. What have we discovered in Chapters one through 3 we've talked about some broad humongous issues so far yeah so some things just take out to me Romans one is all about. The gospel I mean little things about the gospels that feels like a cheating answer but we want you to Romans to also how God is Just and judging both people who grew up with all the laws of those who didn't chapter 3 is why God's judgment is still righteous and all have sinned but he gives grace to freely every everyone freely and chapter 4. The focus here of Circumcision isn't about the technical part of circumcision itself but more about people who grew up Jewish people who are Jewish people who are not and there is no inherent like you are more right this because of this right but righteousness because even I just love how he's talking like even Abraham wasn't declared right. Beforehand And so that's kind of he's going back and forth compare and contrast him but more so showing there is no comparison because all the same I love the word that used this is a case study a member of the thought about Chapter 4 is a case study but totally is in the life of Abraham. We see here is that. And for those who may be watching then you're pretty uncomfortable at the word circumcision you should be if you situation. But there's a lot more than the act of Catholic hell you say in what what is a circumcision what could be another great synonym for it not the actual act but what is he trying to what's what he's told us and he's trying to draw out this is. Why I can't I know that it's you know we prefer to probably speak in euphemisms you know the cover up sort of the barbaric nature of it in a sense but I think we could compare it to our cons of the baptism today and dealing with this sort of outward expression of a faith you've already demonstrated in prove that you possess all of that definition I mean if you're even broad enough with just any outward expression of believe you're just going to commit me on this Yes And this is how we know so it's kind of like the fruits how we identify. The tree and how you would never do this act without having this component of faith but I think as we're going to develop today it's very easy to just say Well can I just get the external The baptism and forget that this is actually an expression and it's not the very thing that brings the change into my coat of flag in front of their house to show their patriotism some people to pledge allegiance to the flag some people have a little pin on the middle of their of their sweater and these are all extra all things through what Paul is really getting at is how much does the x. terminal really reveal the internal and which is more important that's around oh Ok well how is the materials about. The circumcision in just had that look in your eyes like yours or something and he made he made a comment here about the son of circumcision also was a sign of identity so you know Abraham he experiences late in his life but after that it was usually you know the new born children receive this and so it was a sign that they are part of this chosen people and it was an identity and it also of course was a reminder all of this experience that Abraham had with God the faith experience of trials that he went through you know struggling with not having children trying on his own to bring about God's promise but then got to know you got to just trust in me and Ryan so so. Circumcision is a sign of identity is a sign of commitment and it was a reminder of of of the reality that without God Well that only God can fulfill his promise that he will do it in a supernatural way and this of course then now Paul says this is well the circus side of circumcision was really a very strong part of the Jewish identity of pause just making a point that at this point in time circumcision had become something that it shouldn't be became as you said an outward thing and you thought Oh if I have this you know and I'm good and you know that's that's critical. Because as we're following Paul's argument on Justification by Faith right he comes in he looks inverted you look at verse 9 and he says referring to the blessedness of those who sins are not imputed or whose sins are covered does this come upon the circumcised only or upon the uncircumcised also. For we say that faith that for we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness so clearly he's still continuing that topic from chapter 3 about how we're justified by faith in Christ but now he's saying Well looking at Abraham worded that faith and righteousness is this a new concept and I think what Paul is trying to show through the Abrahamic case study is that this is not a new theology This isn't a new idea that we just kind of I created or that's kind of came about in Jews of his day or like where are you coming up with that he's like no the very person you look to for your identity is exactly how he was righteous and nothing has changed one illustration I can think of Johnson the key to my mind is you know when people get fall in love and get married in many cultures around the world the wife and I has been put on a ring to condone their their unity together yes the ring is just a symbol right right that ring has no power in itself and then the love comes before or should come before right in an ideal situation yes the 2 people who are involved in the ring seals that now someone else has a ring does not that does not necessarily mean that this person is married to that person either now in the Jewish world back then this was this was the thing hey if you were circumcised you were a it was proof that you were part of God and this and if you actually think about it even if the if the person to take the ring off the 1st wife. The real wife. She did she would it in her heart would have been really love married and would have been married would have been in love with the husband the ring is is not really that. For that relationship you have an extra manifestation and I guess the really kind of sometimes we think of circumcision we get especially as we get kind of like oh I. Just can't get over this who is being mean that would know what circumcision is it is the removal of some skin on the moon. Sensitive part of the male reproductive part and this was a common act which many theologians say that was instituted to show the in ability of Abraham to reproduce Himself and this this promise child. This was not some sort of sadistic weird. Like we did with this was a reminder hey you know you can't do this in the food you know miracle child so just a well laid out all on there and now we can talk comfortably about the things that we need to make this a little bit of a think about your you know going back to your point about this external activity that we're kind of looking to as proof you know it's human nature to want to find that type of proof and I feel like this is why Paul after laying out the case we're all sinners and we're only saved by faith in Christ let me go immediately to this case study yes because he can almost hear a Jew arguing in his mind well hold on a 2nd what about those who are circumcised What about circumcision and it's because that was the proof but that will change generationally culturally when we start looking at different types of proof and to me his argument of justification by faith is that you cannot use any sort of cultural or other even religious activity as proof of this because it's a little bit so you have to be careful that we don't confuse the fruits with the roots you know since we're going to reverse one chapter 4 and it will go to Jonathan verse one Bible chapter 4 of Romans What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh and so I love this this is indeed a case study he goes to Abraham he was the 1st Jew He was the 1st of the 1st and if this is how he did it then disk was this should be the way that the rest of us are going to do it the original dude verse to him Abraham was justified by works he has something to boast about not but not before God for what does the Scripture say Abraham believed God and it was accounted. Him for righteousness and that's really the kind of what he's got what Paul is going to ride on for an instructor he's doing a Bible study from the Old Testament Abraham believed God and boom and this kind of talk is kind of a connection Boy talk about last last episode you don't feel it you don't you just believe it and then boom it happens and there's that's kind o. weird on a certain level and we write acknowledge that and then Abraham What did he do he laughed Yeah yeah. Well kind of taking taking in from that story it's beautiful we have to remember the story about pausing for entry a 2nd Abraham was you know 75 years old gone problems and you're going to have a son. I think you're you know we're old and he tries and you know it's not working or it's taking time in the end he's 100 years old when he has his son 100 years old so even him believes God easily said but put yourself in his position how hard would that be to trust God with something like this but that is the beauty of it you trust God and that is a righteousness is accounted to so most of God was waiting for the in the ability and just for an age to croak to come it will but if you actually look the story of the Old Testament Abraham has children after Isaac he has a 3rd wife and he continues to have children so what's the Bible saying here this should be a little bit curious for those of us you know the Abrahamic story will look at it and come back after. Has in place been a blessing to you Do you have questions comments or feedback you'd like to leave us find us on social media by searching in 1st Bible on Facebook Twitter Instagram or You Tube while they're joining us like us part us thumbs up us our handle again is inversed Bible no spaces now back to the discussion. Welcome back John King was saying that Abraham was 75 years old when he got the promise and it's 100 years old when he actually had the child the miracle child of Isaac if you look at the Abrahamic narrative after Sarah dies he marries a 3rd woman could too and has a lot more children and you know men they think keep on going. Are women you know and and frankly if you go to verse 19 I'm not sure but the babble in your bible actually talks about it verse 19. 18 to pick up who contrary to hope in hope believe so that he became the father of many nations according to what was spoken so shall your descendants be and not being weak in face he did not consider his own body already dead since he was about 100 years old and the deadness of Sorrows womb he did not waver at the promise of God through belief it was strengthened in faith is very interesting if 2 parties hear the 2 parties to make a baby and for sure and in the original Greek says this that Sarah's womb was dead after 75 and I don't know how. I think 99 1st heard of a dead. But here. The Greek actually reflects that that Abraham's body he considered his body to be dead not the way it was translated in a least in English so 2 parties here one for sure Dad one thinking he was his it was in able but through the miracle of God. The child was born and in verse 20 says he did not waver at the promise of and I love that and this is I think this is a describer of faith that I may not feel justified but I must I must know that I am just simply because I have a relationship with God He told me and I'm going to take that promise to the bank and I can't wait to bring that and you know that you're hitting on something that leads to the excess stench will struggle of that reality. Because the language that Paul is using in verse 3 where he says Abraham believed God and it was a counted right is a legal term Yes so this sort of judicial sense of either you're justified or you're condemned and so to be in a court of law knowing you're fully guilty knowing you did it knowing that you suffer the effects and everybody knows that you're guilty and then to be in court to say he's innocent because of what this other person did. But in his place you walk out of there are justified in reality but in your experience you may not feel that justification and that goes back to what you're saying is that I got to believe it like listen go back to the court and look at the documents that they're handing to you are justified you are free and that's where to me coming back to the Word of God When Paul says in verse 3 for what does the Scripture say like to me that's that's just a powerful you know question to all we sit in ask ourselves when we're grappling with that existential problem just building on to that going back to verse 21 so after you were reading and being fully convinced to talk about Abraham that what he got had promised he was also able to perform and all that convincing all of that confidence is just got focused not fully convinced that my body will heal not fully convinced that this will work out a way that makes sense to me just like God promised it I'm fully convinced that he is able to do anything he says he can yes and that's again especially our confidence comes from so let's take all this and we've talked a lot about core stuff and not about like a lot a lot a lot of a lot of. Let's bring that bring a real Ok let's bring it down and let's take this you know let's say it's you know August 14th the Tuesday you're hanging out and you've got this thing going on your life like how do we take these principles and then having Nasheed into normal people's every day life yeah so it's as you say it's very easy to get caught up in all the lingo and I don't know what's going on so obvious and so complex on the stand but it's really really really simple Paul just likes complexity so big words but what is it Ok what is this thing Romans for verse verse 9 it says recently it was a counter to Abraham for righteousness What does that mean Abraham believed and it was counted into for righteousness it reminds me of a store in the Gospels if I can quickly go to in John Chapter 5 John chapter. And there verse 6 this is. A man who has been ill for decades 30 years that's right 38 years and Jesus sees him lying there you know he has been in that condition for a long time and says here he said to him Do you want to be made well Jesus is simply asking a question do you want to be made well right this man is missing for a long time and his answer is you know at 1st I have no man who can help me you know just this whole situation with this pool and in Jesus rise take up your bed and walk and now that man had a decision to make do I believe that this man who offers me that he can make me well the his words alone will accomplish that in this story he believed and immediately he was made well the same with Abraham the principle is this when it comes down to this life our lives you know where we are right now is do we believe God do believe that what he promised salvation justification is real for me when you say yes I believe it becomes real because it's the Word of God is his promise he keeps his promise and so in my everyday life when I'm struggling with sin or struggling with challenges in my life I can trust every promise every command in the Bible is a promise as well and that when God says something it is Saul So it that's that's all we need to know this principle Abraham learned this principle and that's why righteousness was a competent This is something that we can on an everyday basis it really comes down to relationship I trust this being lames to be who he is beautiful application b. of a and I love the story of John 5 and appreciate it because here you see instantaneous in a fact here whereas in Abraham It ain't instantaneous years 25 years and but still the same power of God the same motifs of the same thing going on and I think that's the critical point I wanted to go was in that contrast to what Jonathan is saying is there are struggles in mile. And in other people's lives that don't go away right away right we believe that God is able and I think that's where the laughter comes in is you and I have to identify that weakness that has stuck with us for so long that we're just I just don't see myself getting over this bad habit I don't see myself learning to speak this way I don't see myself giving up this sinful issue it just seems to come back and cycle around like I'm circling in the wilderness and I think people get discouraged by that and that's why I think the other component there with the men there for 30 years it took 30 years for Jews to get there right and then you come neighbor him it's 25 years and we've tried to Hagar thing we've tried other ways to solve our own sinful problems in our lives and I think Abraham is letting us know like do not stagger because it seems like you're getting worse and not better do not stagger at the promise that God is going to make you right not just count you but make you right as he's going to perform that as long as you continue to trust him believe him not because you see it in yourself not because everything else is so convincing and rosy but simply because he promised like that word stacker and I think there's a lot of meaning associated with. Verse to chapter 4 of 20 back to run and use the word waiver I don't know but for I think of a of a dude who's in boxing you know and it is not a very good sport you should not watch it but if you're 100 and you know someone gets punched and you kind of see for like about a 2nd you see like you know like you know recalculating. Doesn't compute just this guy doesn't know what kind of like you know that he doesn't know where he is that he doesn't he doesn't know as feet as and he needs a little bit of time to find his bearings and this comes with it and in the Bible says that this guy Abraham had none of that so it's when people are going to ask you know how do Ok does that mean just believe I believe that God exists that's not what we're talking about this book. All right here and so she's a say hey get up and walk I can't get up and walk a have a kid I can't have a kid I'm 75 or 100 years old or whatever what I can't but and so these people are staggering but here Abraham staggers not wavers not and he just he acts as if it were true because it was true because it is a promise from that was a promise taken to the bank that that that audacity that boldness that confidence that confidence that faith and it was important is that the principles that Paul is referring to and he quote of multis them in that you know this was counted for righteousness it wasn't just one act Abraham had learned to walk with God and he had fallen it's interesting that he says here all you know he didn't he did not waver Yes he did we know to story with Hagar but it is the point is as you walk with God All that is forgotten and you are justified as if nothing none of that ever happened and the same with you know David he fell into sin and it's a terrible things and yet God calls him you know my friend and my beloved So what is so beautiful is that Abraham you know he was called out of or you know and he was he was called he had faith experiences before it grew so as we learn to trust him even if we fall we continue to trust God will take us in developing us faith to become stronger strong you're not a story Abraham you know he was supposed to kill I Psec that isn't a credible test of faith but his faith was strong because God had developed over this whole time and Abraham's part was to believe and to let that belief come going to action as he moved toward. Me Let me play the advocate there Jonathan to develop a faith required time as just for all people to have strong faith in can people not have strong faith when they're young I think it's both I mean it's possible to have you know of. God help us to God gives us a measure of faith you know and it doesn't really matter if you're strong or weak faith is just too am I acting upon that faith and that is a strong faith if you believe it that is just as strong as it gets whether it's in a small thing or in the largest. As most say I think we grow in faith as quickly as we allow God to take. Yes So there are some people who are younger that are just sure and very more and more innocent and sometimes you know we're stubborn all of us humanity and so some of the takes longer but you need some people but you hear the kind of things they've been through that you really really get that the Jesus they may have a shorter time but higher rates you may have a longer time I need to look at enough amount of yes. Because the point is Jesus God always wants to take further and faster the only limitation is us so god like we trust me and that's really not yeah I was like Ok I'll be here I mean when you're ready so we can get going so it's just us and also the life of Abraham does testify that yeah clearly Exactly yes about and consider the fact that the text says that he didn't waver but he was strengthened in faith so a lot of times the difficulties in the trials are how faith is exercise and therefore as it has grown and so whether you're young or whether you're old you're going to go through faith testing experiences that based on how you respond can strengthen your face and so it's not only an issue of the time but it's also a response to the circumstances that God allows and says Ok like Kelly just described I'm going to send the situation on the allow this to happen and now as we're responding to that in fact my faith grows and each of that just like a muscle right as you exercise it you're going to get stronger but it takes resistance you got to be in a situation where you're tempted not to believe yes. Yeah I I think we just sometimes we think of faith as a something so abstract but and Italy and it can it can it can also sound cliche what I'm about to say but one of the best ways to strengthen your faith is to know what the promises are they can claim to God Just so that's that's really immerse yourself in Scripture because faith is not some emotional abstract and you kind of feel faith or something you like I see this I choose to believe it and I choose to live that way but that requires the basis of scripture the basis of those promises and that's a key a key way to grow your. Say is to obsess yourself. Just like any other relationship and yeah that's also sounds cliche but it's still true what if Kelly says hey let's go let's go to hang out and I'll be there a 5 o'clock and I'll go shopping She's there at 5 o'clock I know I can trust her next I'm sorry she's going to keep her time and it says this is the way to faith works and my natural inclination after this conversation is I want more faith I don't want to be the limiting factor hopefully that's your God prayer that's my prayer hope it's your prayer after reading Roman stuff before to be like in the image of neighbor him was an image of Jesus it was you next week you've been listening to in verse a Bible based conversation telling what is wrong with Jonathan Walter Sebastian Baxter the secret doctor and their host just an. Investor is brought to you by the whole town with television that changes like this and more inspiring than ever so there's an inverse that all. Your. Bias on social media. 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