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Large Pest Control

Joshua Dysinger

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Joshua is 21 and has grown up working on his family's farm. He loves the life, and sees his future in farming. 

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  • January 14, 2021
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Name is George or die singer from Middle Tennessee farm there farm yes the works going to go over the ways that we. Try to control the animal pests you know we're not only talking about insect pests we're talking about. Mammal pests mostly you know birds and. Rabbits raccoons possums any of that kind of stuff so that's most mostly we're going to be focusing on and just how we. How we've dealt with on our farm so. In my mind the number one. Pest control that I feel like always should be where you start is fencing as is the easiest and the most you know overall. Yeah it just does the best overall job so they've got your permanent fencing and like a movable fencing so we're going to go over spending most of our time on on the fencing so permanent fencing seam you know when you think about it it seems like Ok it's going to be the easiest thing just put up a fence. And it's kind of a one and done kind of thing you're you've got your fence up. And it you can keep all the past out of your area. So the pros to permanent fencing would be obviously if built correctly. You can fully protect your whole area and now when I say built correctly it has to be built very well so all the way to the ground with you know like a a maybe. 2 by 4. Wire mesh in your something like that something small obviously c Or Robin stuff can't get through all the way the ground ideally like a hot wire close to the bottom so you don't have stuff trying to dig maybe a hot wire midrange gobs of crawling over I mean it's got to be a very a very thorough fence to really completely keep stuff you know because raccoons possums anything that can climb a tree is going to be able to climb any fence you put up unless it's got a hot wire so. Yeah that's what I mean by correctly built and then yes so the other pro is that it's a one time build so you put up your fence and you're done it's a one time build one time expense and I was talking about with my dad and to me like in theory it sounds like for sure the easiest easiest way to go but we've found when we really when we really get you know really think about it and think about all the maintenance and stuff it's potentially not. Not the most appealing so those are the those are the 2 pros I have the cons. Limits are driving our thoughts are on your farms those you have an open and closed gates so for us. Unless we just had like a massive fence that was around our whole. Packing shed growing area is everything it would really. If we just had fence around our fields it would really hinder getting around because we you know we come into our fields of the top we you know we've got a like Dr little roads between all of our fields on a grid and so we can go wherever we want and having having a fencing around that would hinder you know you have to go into your gate and stuff like that. And this this also really is going to work best for someone that's got a very. Close together growing area you know if you're if you're in a place where your terrain or whatever causes you to have you know some fields here some fields here and you're kind of spread out it's going to be really hard to get a. Good permanent fencing around everything so it's going to be ideal. If your fence is pretty I mean if you're growing areas pretty close together and then another Kaunas that has to be maintained regularly and if you've ever had a permanent fencing and tried to maintain it without spraying it it's you know it's pretty difficult especially one that goes all the way to the ground because you can't like should you know go along with the weedeater right under it because you're you know you're hitting that you don't have a gap underneath there if you've got a hot wire on it any anything that grows up and you know hits or hot wire is going to be grounding you out so you get some get some grass grown up around and stuff and pretty soon you're not me doing anything so it takes a lot of maintenance also you know if you don't have hot wire and you've got you know you don't stay on top of the maintenance of months and you get like honeysuckles and stuff growing up it it will you know not super quickly but relatively quickly just start breaking down your fence and it's just you know it's. The way pulling on it and then you've got you know trees and stuff growing right through your friends that stuff can just crawl over and it kind of just starts defeating the purpose of that so the main maintenance is a really big thing with a permanent fence and I guess that's something because we've got permanent fencing for some of our livestock stuff and it's something that we still haven't fully. Come to a good like solution with because the really the solution is some as a spray you know that you can just. You know had your tank on your 4 wheel or whatever and just go along and spray your line but it's it's kind of difficult to find. An organic spray that really works so we're we haven't if you know if we had a if we had a good solution with that it would it would definitely definitely help. Something we're still we're still trying to figure out the other con to permanent fencing is very expensive. You know because you're not to be doing something that's if you've got deer that's really tall you know 7 or 8 feet and so it's going to be a. Pretty large expense to put up a permanent fencing. That's that size so what this is this is what we have what we have. Concluded with her fencing is a nonpermanent permanent movable fencing so the pros to that are that it's quick and easy to put up we how our farm is laid out. Most of our growing area that we're fencing is in 30 by $100.00 plots with like a 12 foot. Kind of drive path in between so there it's in a field. 2 to pause Dick just beside each other and there's a 12 foot driving path in between both directions. So when we fence we're only fencing 135100 plot. And we don't we fence the things that we have found are you know especially. Susceptible to like deer mostly what we're fencing for is deer. So our strawberries are something we always have to fence sweet potatoes carrots. Beat Yeah Dearlove beat I guess since we're Since we're. Not recording this we new questions whenever I don't feel like I've got enough time that I'm to be running out of times I'll take questions a few at least what we're going. Ok I will get I will like after I go through this all get to our actual fence and give you the dimension is it worked good for us. So that's what we use it's easy you know what we as easy to put up. And you just putting it around your your select crops it's pretty inexpensive. And it doesn't need a lot of maintenance it I mean it really doesn't need any maintenance except. Sometimes when we put of put a fencing up and then we don't have you know something else that's going back in that we'd need to take the fence down it stays up for 6 months or a year and then it's real trouble because you grass it because it kind of like lays on the ground a little bit and you get grass that grows up in it and it's a real pain to take down so if you do it if you do. If you keep your your fields mode and stuff around and stuff it's very simple and easy to put up take down stuff like that. The Kongs doesn't last forever gets damaged more easily and then you can tell they have to take it up take it. Put it up take it down which is not a huge hole in my opinion Ok so then we'll get to what we actually use as this 7 and a half or 7.5 tall flex plastic defensing you can get a lot of places that the last stuff that my dad bought he bought. Just online from Home Depot. He gave me a name that was like the proper name for wherever this is what they call it and. On the Home Depot they call it flex plastic gear fencing. And I just searched online like pasta dear friends and it was coming up with this. Lots of places so it's pretty easy to come by the main thing that you have to. Watch out for is getting something that's really flimsy this stuff is pretty. It's pretty sturdy and it's it's you know it's not like thick plastic but enough that a deer is not just going to like Buster and it's not going to be ripping when you're trying to put like you can't you know if we need to people grab and pull a you're not going to rip it like it's it's pretty strong now we do we do go through it mostly like. You know hit with a mower we need something and so it doesn't last us forever but it may not last as a good you know 5 or 6 years probably and if you get a little rep in it will. Make it last longer. No no it's all give you some pictures of ours like up but it's very easy yeah yeah see by it's like an rolls. So yeah this is. On Home Depot's site it was $225.00 for a $330.00 foot roll so it's you know it's relatively inexpensive you need some t. post to put it up and stuff. So. $330.00 foot roll for $225.00. Yes. Ok so this is actually one of our fences around our strawberries so we get an 8 foot post pounded in like maybe $1416.00 inches. And then we use these t. post clips put one at the top of the post pretty close to the top and then you just roll your fence around and we put our posts pretty far apart. And then we have 4 there so that's like 2025 feet apart. Maybe we have 5 I don't know I mean 18 to 25 feet apart so we don't put for one of our one of our fields I think we only use. 10 t. posts 10 or 12 he posts. He pondered depos then you put your put your clip just one clip on the top. And then you roll your fencing all around pull it up clip it clip it. On the top top of the fence and on there and then it lays out on the ground. Maybe close to a foot probably kind of comes down and lays out and keeps it keeps stuff from just being able to walk or push under it because it's laying out what So stuff can't from the inside stuff can push out from from but the outside stuff can really push in this last picture is like our corner where we start and the fence will put a clip at the top in the bottom so that you can clip it back up at the bottom. And it's it's like. Flimsy enough it's 30 enough to stand up between those 2 posts I mean when you when you put it up you hook it on your one t. post go to the next one pull it pretty tight and hook it on. So it stands up all the way but it's flimsy enough that nothing can crawl up it if it tries to crawl up it'll just kind of like flop back over so it's not a sturdy enough. Fencing for pests to crawl up and we really haven't had any any issue with deer. Getting in this if it's put up properly and sometimes we little sloppy and we get deer in there but. Yeah any do we have questions that this is. This is my last thought on fencing so if I haven't gone over something on fencing that's your questioning asking questions on fencing now. Yes So you know like I said this is this fencing is primarily for deer. And what have you know around the strawberries like sometimes we get like possums and late season once they figure out there they're trying to get in there and they can they can generally root around long enough to find some you know especially if you're if you keep your grass. Mon Lo and the way we do this since we only got a clip at the top it's super easy you just walk around real quick pick up the bottom fold up clip it on the top you can you know walk around your friends and 2 minutes and clip it up and then you go around with the weedeater and you're not like hitting your friends and stuff so if you keep your grass mown down and your fence is in good condition with out like rips and stuff it'll keep pretty much anything out because it's laying down enough it's fought on the ground stuff you know potentially could kind of nose under it but for the most part it's going to keep everything out. Yes. These are 8 foot posts. And I mean you know if you use a t. pose they've got a little like. Little sting on it and you're supposed to drive it to lots on the ground and I would say it's. I would say it's 16 inches or 18 inches I don't know something like that. Yeah we've never had deer jump and I mean people talk I've heard plenty of people talking about deer jumping over a fence and stuff and if you have the problem with that then I'm sorry and. I mean our deer just might not be that persistent because we don't have the or jumping over this and it's I mean sometimes that like we get up not even that great and it's like kind of full down the maturing the posts and stuff and Minardi are pretty I don't know I guess they're just not that intense Are we got one here yeah. So you use the same netting but you put it up in a more permanent way. Yeah Ok yeah there does seem to be some kind of. I don't know like deer just don't seem to like the fence and I don't know if it's because they can get like tangled up in it or if it's just visually it's kind of like hard for them to like tell like death where it is and stuff but. They definitely seem to I mean and we've got like our permanent fencing for our goats and stuff it's not super tall it's you know like I don't know. 4 and a half or something and they'll jump right over and they'll go in the pasture and stuff but we don't have any real issue with them on. Plots that we have this. Oh my. I think that on our on our plots which are 100 feet long we only put 4 posts which would be. Or 52025 I don't know if that's right I feel like we've put must put 5 because I feel like 12 post is what we use per So you put 5. Down your side and then one in the middle and which so the ends are 15 feet between posts the sides. Well I would still be 25 feet even with 5 posts because you've got your and your. Yeah maybe 25 feet with 5 posts on $100.00 foot so. Yeah so 25 feet is the furthest on the ends we've got in 15 feet. You know it's not I mean that's what works for us and it's. You know if you're if you're having more issue with because it does kind of sag in the middle and stuff you might need to put a little bit closer together so you get more consistently tight and tall. Line any other questions on fencing. You. Yeah. Yeah yeah I mean I have no doubt that there's some kind of something like that because I mean even places where it's like down like on the corner here if we don't put it back up or whatever and it's kind of like rolled over on the corner like they still don't really mess with it even when it's you know when it's on the ground if it's just like on the ground but it's like bubbled up or anything that is don't like stepping there you know getting it getting their hooves through and whatever so they really are are deterred by it. Yes So you know the the picture here well we don't we don't we don't ever. Have you like trying to get in there with our tractor and stuff when the when the fence is up I mean you can see you know it's easy enough to pull down and whatever but we you know once the plot is prepared and we don't use the tractor a whole lot but once the plot is prepared and planted then we'll put our fence up and we'll take it down before we're pulling the crop out. So yeah we just have on the corner he just got your clip on the top and bottom instead of just on the top got hooked there and then use took it back on the bottom when you're done. There's no wire Yeah there's the plastic but it's it's pretty tough. Not I mean I guess it probably does a a little bit you know it'll you know some of the older stuff we have is a little bit more prone to like ripping and stuff but it's something that we have this in expense every you know 68 years just whenever we kind of we're through yeah. You're saying what animals can get through the fence and it just depends on how I mean if it's put up like this your grass is real short and stuff. There's not really going to be anything that can get through unless this is really determined to get in there it'll be land on the ground in Oregon have rabbits getting in there your corner potentially could be a weak spot where if something was really like walking the fence they could come to that and potentially get into that might be. Somewhere that you that you have to reinforce a little bit but it's not sturdy enough for stuff to crawl over it so the only the only stuff that could get in is things that kind of would like nose under it. Or yeah I mean dig a little bit so maybe like a possum or armadillos something that we have a lot of. Or we used to have a lot of. You know that's not really something we've struggled with that much when when we 1st started farming I mean I guess it was I think it was earlier even when my parents were just doing like. More serious home gardening we had one groundhog day like I don't know if it was probably not just one groundhog but it was like one hole that was like really close to the garden and I mean they tried all kind of stuff and. But it's I mean we have them around like our neighbor across the road caught like 8 of them in a week in his trap but we're just not something we really should go with Thankfully I don't know I don't know what the what was that yeah yeah well that was yeah he caught like 2 parents in the like a bunch of babies. So yeah unless there's any other questions will. Yeah. You know and this fence is very versatile I mean you can put it up however you want Mr Meyers said he had it up you know as a permanent fencing you can use like a ground stakes like ground staples that are you know 68 inches long and staple it in long the ground all the way around it it just makes it more difficult to move and for us it's a very quick to put up and take down fencing We're not trying to use it for permanent fencing and we're really just trying to keep deer out around the strawberries we. Know now I mean maybe a love it but not enough to really affect anything you know. Well. Not like here in Oklahoma or stuff that now I mean we have. Yeah sometimes I mean we had this this year we had like the worst kind of storms we've had since we've been farming and we had we had a couple greenhouses that. Blown in we had our tomato house in the spring we had to go plastic blow off of it and we replaced it and then the plastic blew off it like a week later so we but I mean the fan thing it doesn't it doesn't have enough light to catch wind so I don't think it really be a problem even if you have strong winds so that you have a question. For sure. For sure yeah so I mean I would say with this we have it up like I said 30 by 100 plots I would say to people could take it down or put it up and. 15 minutes. I don't think that's even really a stretch like I feel like I could do it faster if I was really like trying to you know just like average working speed you know you have it's very helpful when you're rolling it up to have 2 people because it's 7 and a half feet long to get one person especially when you're starting your role if you're trying to start a robot or so I mean I've rolled so many things up by myself and the rolls like this big around I'm done and it's all like flimsy and stuff if you have 2 people you can you know each of you can be going on the end and getting it tight like core and then once you have that then it's pretty easy to to get it up and then. Yeah I mean I would say yeah easily 15 minutes and be up or down. Yeah but I mean I feel like even with the post you have one you know lamb out one person but the person one person. Wrong the netting out and I think and we pull we have like a post bowler I love you all have seen I wish I had a picture of it because it's like the most ingenious thing for pulling up the post but I mean you can just get like track supply but it's like this little lever thing to a post with a foot on the ground it's got a hinge and a pole it hooks on the post and use pulls up so I mean you just go along the coast. And then you have someone else that's you know finishing put them up and put them in the tractor or something like that so it's really quick and for those that. Yeah yeah I mean that's that's what we primarily are using it for so. If you're if you're somewhere you have like really rocky ground or something I'll take a little for pounding in posts and stuff but for the most part it's pretty easy to put the poses and stuff so I think yeah I'll take your question. That's the picture here on the left we're just so where the where the roll started to go all the way back around we just have a clip on the top and on the bottom and so we'll just like unclip it on the bottom to walk in there and then when we're done we just clip it back on the bottom so I mean there is kind of a gap then a lot of times you have a little bit left over to try and make it so it kind of like rolls around the corner a little bit but that's just how we do it it's pretty simple. So our and this is this is are 3 folds. Predator protection so. Kind of going the last 2 I guess could be interchangeable or fencing is obviously the main thing that we put up around anything that we really are struggling with but dogs. Are our 2nd. Our 2nd source of predator protection so we have multiple different dogs this is our great tyrannize Bella and she is a great dog we are mostly for like our livestock but. They're never really good dogs so a dog is I mean low maintenance you know kind of sounds like you know I mean you're taking care of the dog but it's still low maintenance I mean. There's not a whole lot do. Constant alarm system and a companion friend. So we have we we got. Many years ago we got a rare breed of dog called a Karelian bear dog they're from like Finland or something but they have quite a few of them in the north western United States and they use for like. Evacuating evacuating chasing out of like parks and grizzly bears so they're you know pretty print vicious little dogs but yeah if they've got like bears there to have an issue with like in certain parks or whatever instead of you know getting rid of the bear like shooting it or something they'll just send these dogs and kind of send it off to a different place so we were trying to breed them that didn't that didn't go anywhere so we had 2 of them are male. Last year I think he was really I mean he was probably like 16 years old or more. Of a female they were great dogs. We have a little like I don't even know what little much stray dog great dog she is like on her 12th life or something. She's been bit by rattlesnake twice and her head was like huge. Weed we like watched her get attacked by a deer like jumped on her and went put its hoof right in or we've run her over like straight over with our car I mean she is she's a little tank. So the the next slide I have like some breeds but really. I mean for so this is what I have for breed this is right now this picture was like maybe 2 days ago we got a little puppies from our pier and he's. But the bridge that I have a Great Pyrenees and it's all in shepherd and burning I think that's how you say it but these these breeds are more. Livestock breeds so like especially if you have. Livestock that you're wanting protected these breeds do especially good with that and that's why we have our great tyrannize but some of our other ones. Are do just as well. On guarding our crops really like and yeah I said most large breeds and I mean doesn't have to be like the large breed the one dog that I was saying is last is forever I mean she is pretty small She's like maybe I don't know 20 pounds she's a pretty small dog and she is she's vicious. So yeah it's really it's really one of those things that if you if you're guarding your crops and some livestock and stuff these breeds are pretty good but as far as just like breeds for gardening like chasing away the animals and stuff it's remain Jack Russells they're there feisty little dog I'm not feel like they're like rabbit hunting dogs or something. So yeah I mean you going you can adopt or go to a shelter or something it's most most dogs if raised. You know outside and stuff like that's kind of their natural instinct so that mostly works you have a question. Yes. I mean I don't it's kind of. I guess that's kind of part of it I mean on our farm. Like we don't I mean when I have that much I breed we struggle with like possums of eating our strawberries and stuff like that so most I'm in the. Rabbits our dogs sometimes get a little bit trickier for a dog to catch armadillos they'll get a lot possums I'll get a lot other than that we don't know or anything that we they're like. Killing attacking that we wouldn't necessarily want them to but that is kind of part of the part of the territory of a dog you can't really like train it you know attack this and not this. So you know deer we don't really have them like taken down deer I mean I know there's dogs that can and will we but none of our dogs will and you know for the most part we're trying to get him to chase the mountain. R.p. Ernie is she does more. Chasing than actually like attacking our other dogs I think will kill more stuff than she does kind of funny like. In the fields will chase deer soon as they get into the woods she just turns around but there's I mean that's not necessarily appear in the thing because also talked about here and he's being like huge wonders and chasing stuff forever and. So really it's. There's breeds you know you can do some research and there's breeds that. Are going to be potentially better than others but it's it's a little bit more dog to dog and for the most part most dogs are raised outside. Are going to naturally have that instinct to chase animals. So we I mean our dogs have killed countless armadillos and. Possums and. Our cats kill rabbits that's that's pretty impressive I don't know how but our cats will bring back rabbits that are bigger than them. And question. Ok so don't get a lot. We've never struggled with that. If anybody didn't hear he was asking about the dogs eating the crops we've never shrug and with that the only thing that we have with is that for whatever reason our dogs are like saviors of their food they'll kill something I'll go bury it and sometimes they bury it in the garden and so they'll be like. You know you'll walk into your field or something and they'll be like this nice bed of something in the middle it'll just be like all dug up and you know there's no like Ok there's something there so you got to go there and pull out and be a possum or something I have seen our dogs like just grab a possum in it you know pause and play dead and then they just like instantly went in there. So that we've we've struggled more with. With our dogs like kind of tearing it up a little bit but we feel like that's minimal compared to what the. You know armadillos or whatever would you know how much they would read and so yeah you know they're. Now it's Ok I don't have like a ton of stuff so I'm happy to answer questions and be able to meet like individual needs. I don't know our dogs are like geniuses I don't know I mean our parent is I guess maybe less We don't we haven't really had a lot of issues in the garden but that curly and bear dogs we had you could watch and they were like go from the yard and like literally like back into the bushes like just right into the bushes and bathroom and walk out. Amazing so we never really issue. Yeah I don't know I don't know why because I mean like every once this is not it's not a big deal now. So yeah and I would say like some of the some of the dogs that we've had over the years and like just. What I've heard from other people what I've seen from other people ought to times is like a good old is like you know. I mean do better than most purebred you know some or other and a lot of times they're much much stronger and healthier dog a lot of times pure purebred dogs you can. You can get like some more issues just I don't know but that's what I've seen so. So the 3rd the 3rd part of our 3rd fold is hunting and there's a quote from Mrs White just to ease ease anybody's question this earth has been cursed because of sin and in these last days vermin of every kind will multiply these past must be killed or they will annoy and torment and even kill us and destroy the work of our hands and the fruit of our labor and there is. I guess have thought that messages thirds like to the messages 329 there is life quite a bit more below this she chews talk in this section is actually called like spraying through trees or something and she talks about like. A lot of insects but she also mentions like mammals and stuff so. That's that's that. And yeah there's a lot like quite a bit more that's quite interesting to read yes. It's here. This. Year. Me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that's something my dad was was asking me about just like wanted to make sure I wasn't promoting doing anything illegal and stuff. And that's good to know and I'm sure you know potentially different states or are different but I think for the most part that is true that if it's if it's in your. If it's in you're in your field causing harm to your crops and stuff there's exemption for that and you know it may it may or may not be your kind of thing we haven't actually had to deal with any of that shooting deer but like. It it doesn't have to be a waste it can be dog food you know I have friends that. Almost soley feed their dogs fresh meat through the winter and don't pay anything for it so you know that doesn't that might nest not necessarily be your thing you've got to. Do that kind of stuff but it doesn't have to go. Wasted Yeah. The question yeah yeah if that's something that you feel like maybe an issue for you you know getting in trouble for definitely can document you know and I think that should more than cover your back yeah. I didn't Hotch know I. Yeah I don't envy you all I don't know if you have me here but I mean I know Texas is full of them but yeah that's not something that I have dealt with and we are I mean there they are in Tennessee and there was a record one shot this year that was massive So I've seen them in Tennessee but they're not on our property yet and I don't I don't look for it that we we had the miniature version of an armadillo that we maybe like I don't know. 15 years ago or something we didn't have any armadillos and now they're just everywhere you know and so they'll dig it up but nothing compared to a hawk so. Yeah yeah I mean dogs you know when you're when you're talking about hogs versus rabbits then you might really want to larger pretty dog because you know the old you know they can hurt her dogs and stuff so. We do not know though so you know if if having a gun being around guns and something is not something that you've grown up with it's something to take seriously and it's not you know well people you know I enjoyed target shooting and stuff like that that can be fun but it's not a toy. And so if it's something that you're new to you know educate yourself don't you know don't wish you educate yourself you know there's plenty of there's plenty of stuff you can learn online if you feel like it you can go to a gun safety class anything like that but just just take it seriously because they are you know. Dangerous if used in the wrong way so that's the one thing educate yourself before you before you you know go do it and some you wish you hadn't. And then spend time like learning target shooting something that you you know the last thing you want to do is cause an animal on do you know even though you are trying to kill an animal you're not trying to cause an undue pain and you know pain to yourself so learn to shoot well before you go out and shoot an animal you know in its leg and it runs off and may live for another week. You know just just take take the time to educate yourself and learn. So that you can. Execute. Your desired your desired shot correctly and not not causing undue. Pain to animals Ok so I'm going to go through and I'm not I didn't grow up my parents didn't grow up with guns and it. You know it was it took a little bit of convincing with my dad and you know he's he's he's come around and he's the one that gave me that quote to put up and it definitely definitely feels the need of and it is it is more or less our. Kind of laugh our kind of you know least used way of protecting from past but nonetheless it is it is used so I'm not I didn't grow up with it I'm not at all like an expert on guns and I'm sure there's you know those here that know a lot more than me. But if you don't know anything it can be a little bit like daunting because there is. Different you know different guns and different things I'm going to go through the 3 that that we use the most and as already stated we do not have hawgs and so none of them are extremely high powered rifles you know if you're out here with the hogs you might need like you know $223.00 R's something but ours is more or less. Raccoons or smaller. So the most classic. Easiest to come by would be a $22.00 caliber extremely inexpensive to shoot and relatively inexpensive the person purchase. If you can find anything nowadays I mean. Yeah. At least in our area all the shelves are empty so. It's inexpensive to shoot if you can find ammunition they're great for small animals. They're yeah they're just great to learn on because as stated they're inexpensive to shoot they're not like loud and used noxious. And you've got a range up to our 100 yards you know and that's give or take depending on your your skill and your time put into it. So I put up the Ruger $10.00 Probably they. Just the number one there's. Plenty I mean there's tons of different kinds of 22 but that's probably the. The number 122 caliber rifle. And then a 17 h. m. are. Also good for a small pass but v. 22 has like a. Bullet speed of like. 1200 feet per 2nd that a teenager Mars twice that $2400.00 so it reaches a lot further with more accuracy so if you're if you're struggling with like rabbits or something and they're just really skittish you can't get anywhere close to me you see him across the field it may be. A better choice range up to 200 yards I mean it can you can read further if you really are steady and good little bit more expensive than a 22 to shoot. But not you know nothing extreme and the bottom there's 2 different. 7. 17 I'm not sure about that one this. Is the one that I have. But now there's that and then a shotgun very versatile Yeah I've. Warred. Variety of of shell options and I mean I don't even know. All of them but with your basic you know smaller shot bird shot. If you're trying to if you have an issue with like maybe crows or things you know that's is the that's is a great. You know it's a it's a a shell for anybody that doesn't know that it's packed with B.B.'s of various sizes but so you've got. You know maybe half an inch or up to an inch of shell that's packed with B.B.'s so it disperses it so you know dip and you can have different like. Chokes on the end with that changes your. Disperse but. Like a bird that's flying and stuff you can you know out at 50 yards you might have. You know a pretty decent size disperse so if you're if you've got. You know rabbits that sometimes. In art like in our greenhouses and stuff all rabbits in there and they'll come like streaky now and it's much easier to just. Get it head on and. Then if you're trying to scope them in or something with a single shot kind of rifle so that range is generally around 50 yards you know you can get shots that are a solid. Slug or like a buckshot or something that's going to reach further. But does to the Remington a 70 in the Mossberg $500.00 which is what I have. Are some of the more popular but that just gives you a little bit of an every If you really. If it's something that you wanted to get but you don't have. Really no idea where that gives a little bit of insight and there's plenty of of research that you can do. So you probably have like. 5 more minutes so Devaney questions yes. So. I use it for chickens I have a. I did it was b. recorder Ok the question was on on. Electric fencing so I is electric fencing for for my chickens and I'm moving it weakly. So but it's like a netting. So that that has to be if you're using like a netting electric fence it's got to be captured you know the grass under it has to be kept very short because you've got a hot wires that are very close to the ground so since I'm moving it very regularly makes it makes it easier. If you're talking about just like a strand electric fence we haven't we haven't done that a lot. Yeah which is we haven't really used electric fence much so. Yes. Not where we live no there in the eastern part of Tennessee but not where we live in the back. That is an option yes and the other option I was gonna. I was going to just say is also trapping some people prefer that that can be harder. Because you've got to you know you've got to entice your animal to get in a trap if it's a ground hog or something you've got the whole there you might be able to do it but. You. Keep stuff from jump and sides we don't the question is on greenhouses do we use anything to keep stuff jump in the sides we don't. For the most part throughout the summer in everything our doors are wide open anyways so. But we don't have any really we don't have any issue with like deer and stuff in the greenhouses Yes. We we had like this forever ago we had this. Contraption is supposed to be like a cougar scream I was like a little just I mean kind of like radio but every like 10 minutes it would go off and it worked for like 2 nights and then they just kind of like. The Cure never came so they came back and so yeah Was there someone else yes. I've I've I've heard stuff like that but we haven't really dealt with it and. I feel like it's the same kind of thing that we dealt with with the sugar scream thing I feel like it's something that if an animal can get just like used to it and you know they realize that smells not bring him any harm then they kind of get used to it yes. I mean. Here. Now we're pretty good. Ok Ok you're talking about Fox you're in. Love it. Yeah that's that's definitely an option we haven't really. Haven't really tried that but it's would definitely be something worth think there was someone over yes. Yeah we have not. We've not done that I think that. I was for we live or it's damp enough the effort wouldn't want any kind of stall or activated sprinkler lights potentially or some kind of like noise siren something. Like a motion sensing kind of thing potentially could work for us you know we're on a big enough plot of land you know that have to be had to be a lot of them around to keep you here clear. Ok you had a question. Yeah there's lots of different. Different techniques like that you can try and put out to. Your deter I mean for us the fencing has. As worked well we've tried other things previously. You know and every area you know you're going to deal with a little bit different. Different stuff I don't know if we. Know if there's anything else I think we probably should close it up since were a few minutes after I don't know if there is something that people need to get to I mean I'll be here I'm happy to talk to anybody else has questions but I think we should probably close it up for. For the seminar so thank you all for. For being here and hope I was able to answer some your questions. This media was brought to you by audio 1st a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about body overs or if you would like to listen to more servant leader visit w w w audio verse or.

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