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  • January 15, 2021
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Started. Board once again. Glad to be. Warm. But we thank you for the blessing to be here today. Talking about. Market gardening. Work and. Maybe even some of the challenges. Presenter. And. Things we've. Already So start with a quick introduction if. You please just. Mention what. How long you've been farming I am very and this is my brother Allan our last name is Seiler our farm is located in south central Oklahoma about 3 hours from here right between the Dallas Fort Worth and Oklahoma City. Metropolitan areas. And we have been farming. If you add it all up it's about 10 years. But probably more. More seriously for the last 5 years. Thanks. And. I mean I live. Thank you I'm John Di singer. This is my wife Pam. And my son Caleb. Allyn It is Allah Allah In addition some time John. Ok I'll let him in. Joshua. Joshua wife Kelly. I don't. Know know where you are in middle Tennessee middle Tennessee and I was talking with somebody who also lives in middle Tennessee earlier and I was always wondering why do they call it middle Tennessee and said a central Tennessee I'm just wondering as a reason why is there such thing as North Middle Tennessee. So if you live in North Middle Tennessee it's still middle Tennessee it's. Really like I mean we're more an hour from Kentucky or Alabama so it's kind of flat. All right so thank you all for being here and thank you for the individual. Each one participated in. I'd like to start off with just a simple question and we don't have to have answers from everybody on every question but I'd like to get at least 2 or 3 responses and I would love to start off with just the concept of what are some of the most enjoyable aspects that you personally like about market gardening. I want to follow that question up with what are some of the aspects that you don't care for so much about. Market gardening so within that context I'd like to focus on the things that you personally enjoy what are some of the aspects I don't have to begin with because you know you could say whatever you bike to anybody have any thoughts on that and. I love dealing with the customers so it's not so much about farming for me it's about the relationships that we build with. Second on a little bit just like the film and the satisfaction of being able to be this actually on it is it doesn't sound Ok. Yet being able to connect directly with the families that you're providing produce and other products doing stuff and also it's funny because it's kind of on the flipside the same thing for me which is something that's not enjoyable is that I'm introverted by nature and after a long day and hours of Farmer's Market talking to people nonstop I'm exhausted and that's something that is not so enjoyable but that also has to do with the personality the dealing with. Anyone else want to share anything about going to say like for me one of the one of the biggest things that I like is just the. The variance of things that you're doing like I don't know I just can't stand doing the same thing all day long. And it's not the year you know some days you're planting a field or plant planting all day but there's just so much different stuff you don't get bored like just doing one thing. Always feel like there's room for growth and. Yeah you know that's a really good one I mean I think if you're looking for a diversity of different things things of that nature I that sounds that sounds good anybody else yes Terris. Just working out working hard and then he would have. Well there you go we were what we've been looking for that person. With the you know. And I would say I really like customer. Yeah very good anybody else having one thing they want to share about that on the positive side well. I thank you very. Much for. This is the hot mike you are something. So this is this will answer both for me I enjoy the challenge of the science and just how intricate and how just balance things have to be but also how complex and it's also the plus and the frustrating side of it because there aren't always the feels like you have to sift through a lot of bad information to find the nuggets but it's also really rewarding and it just shows the intricacy of the design that plants fundamentally want to thrive and if they get what they need they can just the genetic expression of a crop can just be so incredible like plants function differently under different nutrient loads and on under optimum nutrient loads it's like completely different plant and it's kind of the speaks to me of. You know we live in a fallen world but if the laws of nature are intact and maintained the beauty and the design that God built into every every plant is so intricate and just like wow that is just an amazing plant so I really enjoy it's just the wonder the wonder of it but that's also kind of my least favorite thing because it tweaks your brain quite a bit well I mean now that we're talking you mentioned about the least favorite I mean is there something that pops up I mean everything you like everything about market gardening is or is there something that you. I mean but you don't really care for you wish that could be changed or you're in the process of actually changing if that makes I don't want to be too scripted but I'll give you which one will sense this is just a personal note you know we have these low hoops there are these little low hoops like this and you put like this floating row cover over it and. In Oklahoma generally between March and May there will be times where we have days on end where we have the chance of Asus severe thunderstorms and every time a severe thunderstorm comes by there's always a chance of hail now 95 percent of the time it doesn't hail maybe even 99 percent of the time it doesn't hail but the chances right so you're out there and you're covering these crops and it takes like a 30 pound or so sand bag each one of those little hoops so if you have several you know beds like $1520.00 beds of those you're uncovering because it gets too hot the day the thunderstorm is coming you have to go out and cover. And then you go and you write. Yeah I mean maybe when you're 20 something that's not too bad but when you're 50 something it's start to wear and you start thinking I don't really like that aspect very much but in order I mean if we would have done that this year we would have lost probably at least because we had a big hail storm that came through one hailstorm all year long but it only takes one right so the thought is that being prepared just having that kind of that's so you kind of think where we could get into maybe some bigger structures because our are taller houses no damage. You know and we didn't have any damage on the little stuff but we had it all covered. It would have been such a pretty scene so that's at least that would be something I would classify as an aspect that I don't really enjoy too much about it or anything else like that well now you're saying I'm starting to wonder if I'm actually 50 some in my heart because. I really don't enjoy being haul around the sand guys in like dealing with Roker which is what we do with all winter and Josh and I do the winter part of our farm and so that's just something that you know you see that's part of farming you get to do the find jobs was hard jobs and you just you know it's just something you got to do and yeah the whole sandbags and road covers is not my my biggest my biggest fan like I have been known to just get upset and rip it up like going actually taking it off thankfully dad has put these nice little caps on all of our Ybarra now so I just glides over it so it has less and some I stress on that point. Anybody else. Empathize with throwing things down every once in a while in frustration. I would say for for me since we deal in the winter. It's just it's doesn't happen a lot but once or twice a winter you have you know. A day or 2 days and you have to go harvest and it's like you know $33.00 to $33.00 degrees and like raining or something like that is the worst weather that you know if it's snowing is kind of fun you know and you can bundle up but when it's like raining in just some of the really intense cold you're trying to do stuff like bunching stuff and I personally just can't wear gloves while I'm doing that kind of stuff so you know I'll work for a couple hours and I have to come in in my hand and I fall Mao and then yeah it's that's probably my least favorite it's some of the really call you just have to work because we got a delivery the next day you can't like well tomorrow yeah yeah anybody else. But. One of the truth that well I think I could just speak the opposite side because we do the spring in summer and again I think it's part of getting older but you know when you're looking at a week of $95.00 plus degree weather and you know high humidity it's like. You know I don't know how long I can do this because I mean literally when when you are in that kind of weather you are soaked to the skin there's no dry part on you and you know it's but you know any of that doesn't have to be bad you just kind of like you know this is good for me. This is a toughening me I call those like that's like a 3 day day if you know what I mean you know you. Just like stick and on on better together farm the ladies which is a pain this more than I don't think I did this this year but we have this treatment pond that we or pool that we put up to treat with acid our hard water and we'll go jump in there in the middle of the day and it's like 7060 degrees because it came right out of the the well and that's that's quite a refresher so Uncle John you should think about getting a swimming pool at Donald's full blessing it makes those 95 degree days it's more excessive all than a pond and it's a lot cleaner. Between our garden you know. I am where you. Get in the creek Yeah yeah yeah. Well. Yeah yeah said Yeah well you know that it's just a little Auburn used to have 10 fingers and we have 6 now but yeah you know it's it's not the acid tank it's the treatment pools Oh no it doesn't we're going for about a ph of $7.00 down to $6.00 So it's still plenty Yeah yeah it's got Yeah it's more like a really a spa Yeah it's one of the more like us but. Yeah you might watch your words just little bit people on audio 1st thing in the world. All right so let's if we have some questions I have more but I'm going to take questions would be happy to take questions from anybody and it's Ok right over here let me just come to you and if you could ask a question that would be great. Well what I wanted to do. I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions for the things I didn't like. So one thing is I discover my wife and I discovered this year and that wearing surgical type gloves I still have quite a bit of dexterity but they were amazingly warm they make me they make you warm because they hold that air so try that and see because I was I couldn't work with gloves either the big you know bulky kind but with those gloves I could do a lot of work and the other thing I was thinking about I was really glad to be here and hear what they didn't like because we can solve those problems. You know you really can't so like one of them like you were talking about who it was about putting the 30 pound Yeah that's right if you on the back Well if what I would do is I would invent something that I could roll over the thing if I could I did something like that with my greenhouse and just have a crank and roll it up on to the weight so I don't actually have to move individual Anyway I just want to say I think it's great that you guys shared some of that because those are felt needs I mean people could help solve those problems all right who's next Anybody have a question right here. I want to see if you guys have any experience with financing a part of your farm or tools and stuff like that any advice you might have or you know things to avoid or ways to go about that Ok financing your time you know it actually. Borrowing money to Ok All right any thoughts on that from anybody. As far as borrowing money I would strongly discourage that and tell you know what you're doing if you know what you're doing and you have a pretty guaranteed market then I think there's a place for for borrowing money if you need I'm not encouraging it but if you need to but if you borrow money before you really know what you're doing and before you really know your markets you know that's a big gamble I would not encourage anyone to take so now you know maybe if I mean it's always a little tricky to borrow money from family but that sometimes works well you know if if you have a good understanding. Yeah I mean there's it's a big challenge is a huge barrier for beginning farmers you know not only the investment in infrastructure but if you don't have land it's a huge barrier. I'm convinced there's a lot of potential for. For young farmers getting together with older people who have land there's a lot of Adventists professionals who own land because they know you're supposed to right. But they're too old and too busy to do anything with it and I think there's a lot of potential there if we could develop something to encourage that exchange so I think there are solutions but it is a huge barrier. I would just say as if once you get going on your farm there is a lot of grant money available depending on where you live and you know what what is available there but we've benefited by that but you can't do that unless you've been farming for I don't know how long 22 or 3 years maybe. In on that topic. Well I don't want to go too far down that topic but. We you know just a few weeks ago somebody in the local area we kind of had this email for the local farmers they sent out something saying that this company Tillamook Tillamook Creamery is that it yeah tell me a creamy was giving out these $5000.00 grants and they were looking for people in the Nashville area but they were specifically looking like for women farmers and minorities so but I just knew farm you know that's what I was going to say earlier there are grants for new farmers and ranchers. But I just you know as a spur of the moment I just clicked on the link and filled out the application took you know 10 minutes thought man you know chances of this are not getting great but a few weeks later they sent me something saying I got $5000.00 and it was specifically for a dump trailer for hauling mulch and stuff so so those opportunities are out there very good another question and the body of another I just if I hear a hold of. Yes thanks for sharing your stories and what advice would you give I understand you know God has to lead Spirit of Prophecy but as like practical advise that we could do without committing to maybe moving or a farm my wife and I kinda miss it several states and just some some farms but we're still not at the level where we're comfortable where we think we can pull it off you know and so what advice would you have practical brotherly advise that we. Perhaps do so we can move to the country as well can I ask you a question just that I can understand the situation what's your situation right now where you live in what type of land access do you have been sure I live in. West of Houston is called Katie Ok but we have a tiny backyard and I'm employed at by the you know company downtown Houston working remotely right now because of the pandemic but after the back scene or whatever there's no telling what might happen and so. 2 young daughters are starting their teen years and so that's where we're at and we want to do it properly and. It's amazing to hear all these stories where there's hardship but I'm not so sure that we're at different levels I guess and we want to make sure this is interim where we just don't flee but we do it properly we do it plan and then it's growing spiritually as well so we can minister as well not just you know for the garden aspect but everything else that you guys have experience with so I know there's a lot of books but how about like practical advice that you guys could share so that we can do our part our homework properly as well. 8 good books by all means when you say a small backyard what are we talking about having an idea dimensions it's tiny it's like Ok 4 yards deep by Ok so pretty small 10 yards wide or so yeah I mean from a big house to a smaller house just so we could have some funds to buy land you know but that's sort of what you know. Where we're at right now but more in general for not just me but advice I know we all have different walks different characters and different needs and the Lord also sees that in each and every one of us and different even within the family there's different needs right now each person is individual but just what's worked for you for your families for your for your own farm that you can share with us you know where maybe you know the farm that accept you know a family and is a month enough is a whole year in office at 2 years where you get your hands and feet wet and then you kind of say well out I think I can make a living off of this year. I'll just make a quick comment I was prepared to do this yesterday but Ricky didn't ask is the question about what advice would you give to people starting out and I think my biggest advice is learn from others' mistakes you know either you're going to learn from others' mistakes or you're going to learn from your own mistakes and so anything you can do you know obviously I think the ideal is to work on the farm and see how it works and all of that but even you know just visiting farms and reading books you know you can learn from all those but ultimately working on a farm and seeing what you like and what you don't like and yeah it's a it's a cheap education my. Brother John is the form itself has to be close to the model that you think would be right because you don't want to just go into any form. Well you can learn lessons from any farm I think but yeah I think the closer it is to the model you would like the the more potentially you can learn. You know there's a concept like the Moses principle what's in your hand right so you know when we start out we didn't buy our land it was more than a little backyard area of course but it definitely was an ideal for growing but you just start small with where you're at and try to make your mistakes small I mean anything that you endeavor you know it's it's a steep learning curve. You know I know that there are. Obviously for a long term strategy as far as Adventists we believe you know ultimately you want to live outside of a you know densely populated area but there is a book I think we have it at the at Agra booth by Curtis Stone and he does or did a lot of urban agriculture so if there's a place close to where you live some land that you see contact the owner and say hey we want to start learning how to grow we want to do this and sometimes people will rent it to you for a little very little but just someplace where you can start out that you don't necessarily have to own to start that process and then I would for anyone thinking about this you know there's like this is so ideal Oh I want to get there but obviously you've got to have family buy in to the idea and. Not everyone moves at the same rate it's kind of like a relationship situation it's very it's sometimes it's very irregular that everyone's moving at the same pace as far as commitment and where they want to go and so just understanding that you want to move in this direction but you don't want to rip your family apart over it either and so if you can start small you mention that your girls were in your teenage years it's really important to. Make sure that they're buying into it and maybe starting small worth what you have in hand or what you have locally would be a really great start for you and I know it's not like I just want to get out of here type of thing but. It's I think the principal what's in your hand you know what can I do right now and then when you step into the Red Sea The water's going to start to part but you have to think that 1st small step with what you have available and the other thoughts of the gentleman here that I would just say keep your dream and be patient I'm sorry but you have a question and you have a thought oh we have a comment right over here yes your name lovely lady my wife by the way. Yeah I was just I was just thinking if you I don't know if you got to go to the micro green class before that just the tip maybe an ideal place to start because you can start in your dining room I think people pull the table and start there you have your restaurants caused by you get wet Yeah I mean you have you have you have people you can sell to in town restaurants you know there's just a lot of opportunities in town in your living room that you can start getting used to seating ordering watering it's something the whole family can do together and you're not getting dirty all the time you know you don't have to sweat I mean you know it's easy enter in level kind of thing yeah it's just the suggestion you know you can start in your dining room I mean when my son started it we didn't have a greenhouse for him to grow seeds or anything so he went around with his cups a plant for a window to window so they could get the sun I mean that's simple already wasn't too happy about that I didn't do it across turf it just so happened that my bedroom was the bedroom with all the sunlight and the carpet. Ok we'll stop you could tell she still has a little issue with that Ok. Well I don't mean I am not taking another side but I'm just bringing out a grandmother go to the reality that as 7th Day Adventists we were told 100 years ago that we needed to get out of the cities and I just think that I want to say Don't linger if your family is on board you know yes you might have some hardship but listen I mean Chad and yet Chad in 5 years testimony I mean I think you have to look at your own situation and say Ok how much are we willing to give for this vision and then you go for it God is good and we know it's God's will that you get out of the city we know it's God's will do we want to be reckless we don't want to be reckless but I think God's people have been lingering and not willing to make the sacrifice maybe that it would take the silos live in a trailer I'm so proud of their family for what they've done to support their kids in that dream I mean that's commendable you know a 5th wheel for how many years have you been there now longer than we were years they never if I'm I'm just saying that because I'm you know. I'd hate to look back and feel like oh well we encourage him just don't move too fast because you might cause your family to have trials trials are a blessing if they come through obedience to the Lord. On top of that take us 3 years. For everybody but what we felt like the. Property we had it was a 3 year journey and I mean I'm just saying perhaps there's a hybrid start with the marker where you're at right now start looking for the. I mean it's a package you know I mean. Yeah just kind of going off what said. It can look really rosy when you're looking on the outside so I remember that it's a very long and slow process and that you're not going to end up in this piece with this beautiful red barn and a white picket fence maybe ever I mean by singers are getting closer they've got a red barn at least. But they've been at it for a little further I mean since the kids were really really tiny for the most part so it's just it's you got to be really really patient because it can be easy when you've got a dream or an ideal kind of in your minding your reading spirit of prophecy and you know the flowers and the beautiful things and yes that is part of it any yet. All life is not photoshop you know if it realize that your dreams and your ideals while there will be elements of that it's. There's also pretty I mean. We live in this well for the last 3 years and I mean you're from Houston so you can understand what it would be like living in the south and if it's well for that long I mean there's a lot of not so romantic sides to it so just realize that while it isn't ideal and yes the Lord does want to stay out of the cities it's not all. That's not all beautiful all the time and that's Ok You know it's Ok to be Ok with that I just like one thought one more thought is just I think of it kind of more of the marathon than I like a 100 yard dash. And if you keep the marathon. When you run into challenges what you're going to do when you run into what you're going to do you just kind of think Ok this is just another step and the journey and but I think I. Learn from other people's mistakes and I think. And we try to be about some of these things and these mistakes job I've got another nephew. But he's not really well my son called him Uncle John but we're not really. Anybody My wife grew up in South America she calls everybody uncles and aunts and. So anyway Ok next question I actually have a quick comment the transitions to the next question Ok. Living in Houston has 2 boys he had the dream moving to the country he was really good. And he knew exactly what he was looking for so much so that he could never find the property that met. His boys are in their twenty's they're out of the house and whenever. You don't your years that your children will spin in the country are worth whatever lakh you can afford. And so I'm learning from that man's great mistake and I hope you do too so my question is like John said that we learn from people's mistakes and we share some of the big mistakes that we've made so we can learn from them so if you have a big mistake like that man his big mistake was that he drools tell you he drools over the best property you ever found and because it was so close so close he had. Had a creek had rolling hills but it only had like one flat instead of q. and a half and his children missed out on the whole so don't miss that. Don't children think so what one of the big mistakes that we made that's a good question you need a book to. Yeah actually their book I mean I get no proceeds from their book but I was telling them during their class that my son doesn't like to read their book because it makes him stressed reading but big because they're very transparent about its rights and you're talking about and about what you think yeah there have been in the book if you read it Ok So Ok I think anyway though I mean I want to say what about a recent what what's one What's one kind of issue that you guys a challenge a mistake that came up even this year with and last 3 or 4 months that you'd be opened sharing with somebody about like what it was and how it totally caught off guard and how you work through it we could tell you about a lot of trials that we had this year and I tried I went Well what I think what he's really asking are for things that we could I mean. I don't feel like the things that happened to us this year were had anything to do with our our mistakes you know bad storms or you know so one time one of our boys forgot to shut the. One of our who passes and it was full of raspberries that were fruiting with that you. Know you know and we had those kind of mistakes where you know. We have in turns and that has we have some of them here so we probably don't want to say too much. This year we had a mistake that none of these young people who might have entered with us had but had to do it but we got. Gasoline put in our diesel delivery vehicle for anybody who knows anything about how bad that is if you don't know it's really bad. You know costly hay but you know I think we handled it we just said well the Lord's the Lord owns it also. At least we have the money to fix. If you have a thought It seems to be in that a mistake is qualified if you don't learn from it and the idea is that the biggest mistake you're going to make on a farm is not logging your mistakes so that you can correct them as quickly as you possibly can. So because it's kind of like the idea of the Chinese parable right the guy's son he finds a horse or what not like oh oh it's a blessing such a blessing your son found a horse in the hunt sons riding the horse the next day trying to break a man and throws him off and breaks his leg Oh it's terrible that your son got his leg broken in the military comes through conscripting people and all the other people sons are taken but he isn't because his legs broken they're like oh how blessed you are and so the thing is that it's at the at the end of the day when all things are done then we'll probably be able to tell but in the meantime just try to learn from those things that you feel like are bad but I don't I'm not sure if you can qualify I'm not sure how you qualify what a mistake is in the absence of when all things are set and done well let me ask you this let me ask you this maybe maybe we're maybe were some antics about mistakes or not mistakes what what give us an example of something that didn't work out the way you had hoped it was going to work out when you had the intention. What's a crop that you were thinking this is what we're hoping for this is what we plan for and it just either totally failed or it came close to totally failing. Surely if you guys are farmers something like that had to happen. I am just saying let's see if we could. One thing. Wasn't not specifically connected with the vegetable farming but I do eggs also and something that I learned from this year and that can be. Carried out into any other area so I had like 150 chickens maybe Lange Well I wanted to increase that so I bought another like. $100.00 or $150.00 or so that were laying already they were a little bit older. And when I got them I thought like you know a gap probably should keep these separate. But then I was like Ok well I don't really have like 2 big feeders I don't know it's going to be like a lot of work and so I didn't I just made my fence area bigger put both coops in there had all the chickens well like a month later they all got sick and I pretty much ruined my whole year for chickens like the whole year I was struggling with like sickness with them and stuff and so it was just like a lesson to you know a lot of times you have that knowledge of like what you should do but then it's how you think you can like kind of like cut all corners on thing and generally it'll not not work out for you so you know you get that knowledge and don't necessarily think that you can you can take shortcuts and stuff you know do things right and do what you know is the right you know the right the best way to do things yeah. Ok young man back here in the orange coat so i'm time there's people who have like farms and they need help. Because like I say it's like a little couple they might need help with their farming you could learn from going to their farm and let you go on there and you go learn some things about what and what not and it's like easier to do and you really don't have to pay because you're helping them and because if they really need help they went. And last year we went to one of those things and. Yes and we got. To fall were you there for like a day a week or. The weekend there's some good advice from a very smart man back in the back row you know maybe just take a would come for the weekend. But. Don't tell him that part right Ok All right what anybody else who has another question for us anybody. Got more I can run up from a right here Ok yes man. I think we're talking about the buy in meeting that you had at the I would love to hear families by and meeting that you had with your families for when he began to move forward that makes sense. In essence more like it when you took a bigger step perhaps by a meeting like because I mean you thought on that several. Several several meetings over a long period of time I mean I mean it's really it's really more of a long term dance than it is a one like are we going to do this or are we not I mean it's the idea of hey can I take up part of this yard and start growing here oh sure you know and then it gets a little bigger and hey what do you think about me selling some of this stuff well maybe I can help you you know make a little brochure and I can take a tour can see if anyone would like to buy your product and then it's like hey what if we take up another part of the yard and it's like Ok maybe you seemed to really enjoy this and then it started getting a little bigger and then they started worrying. And they're like well you know you're 18 now maybe you should go to die singers and see if you still want to do this like 6 months and they picked the hottest time of the year with 104th time degrees and we got to Nashville that day. Yeah and it was a baptism by fire but I made the 6 months and was still interested in it and it's like well if you're still interested in it when you come back here and still try to do some stuff we have land there's a little more room to expand let's just give it a shot so came back and got a little bigger and it's like well. Like you know started to say stuff like you know I'd rather be home here working on these plants with you than really going to work but that was. That's that's a slow process right I mean it's something where it's like falling in love it doesn't have like if you go out with someone let's say the 1st time it's like you come home and you're like I want to get married I know they want to want to marry everyone's like Are you sure you should give this a little bit more time you know everything but like after 4 years it's like Ok you better side going to marry them or not and so that's the kind of idea here it's a it's like it gets to a point where it's like well should we do something with this you know work Virginia experience and stuff and. The Lord opened up this land close to us and it's like Ok we'll move out there but dad was like for a long time he was like well I'll keep my job and then you get the farm work you know all this kind of dynamics and a year and a half ago he was laid off from his work that he would working on for for 20. Years and we had a different decent severance package and it's like well I have time now that I can give to this Should we give this a go or should I try to find another job and it's just like well maybe we should give us a go and so I mean it's it's it's so that was our experience which I would say would would not be similar to say like deicing years experience maybe you guys share just. Yet fair enough Yeah very good I mean yeah tell us Mark and Tara is what it I mean. I know you guys had a garden a lot when you're growing up and you're kind of I mean one was of aspect of moving out getting your own spot your own property and getting into this in more of a meaningful way how did that all shape up. Well I don't know if there's a good answer for. Our family got the farm when we were we weren't really using it for we were living at it. And we just bought it it was it wasn't specifically for the purpose of going full into full time. And it just kind of because of different circumstances. That ended up being. That you ever sit down talk about it kind of just repeating the question. I guess yeah we did I mean I don't know we probably don't our family probably doesn't have enough. Time. Yeah. Yeah working yeah yeah every. Sarcomas. Like that tends to be more that way so it's like you're strict if you're stripping sorghum and it's like Dad says to you hey you want to farm it's like well I think we're already doing that let's just keep it on. Let's actually like marks like I think I go this is like Ok. I think yeah well yeah. We were we moved from Wilder to the other institution and we were going to be the farmers there and that was going to be what we did and so we were really excited about that and that worked for like. Then. Circumstances and so well we actually did sell at a farmer's market while we were there and it's kind of funny to think about how we did it back then but. Because it just takes a little. Weird. But. But then we then. Excited about us trying to do that so we. Were like well let's just grow grow on our. Farm that we thought you know let's do our own thing down there on our spare time so we did that. Right so we did that for I don't know. At least one season and then we just. We want to really be farmers and so we're just going to have to move. So that that's only really we're going to be full time for. How many years ago. 14 and 2015 was like our 1st season there well I think you know you can see there's different journeys everybody's not in this cookie cutter journey and you've got to think about where the board has you now and kind of what. Trajectory perhaps for you but. Some good advice I think somebody else how to handle Yes right here as well as some some tips you guys have for understanding your market when you're 1st getting started the process you might go through research or how to quickly understand what you're going to sell and stuff like that I would say. You know if you have the opportunity if you're there if you're in your area already before you're growing like pre season you know before you start growing trying your farmer's markets what. You know what kind of options you have around especially at farmer's markets because I feel like. You know that's that's the safest way to start as you're starting a farm it's good to get a year a year down where your farm where you are farmer's markets you don't have that like. You know not as much pressure and commitment from like a c.s.a. or even from like restaurants and stuff because it's kind of hard if you say well I can have this you know for you in the restaurants like I'll be great and then like you know a month later well it didn't really turn out that well or whatever like you're not committing to anybody at the farmer's market so go to your farmer's markets. And don't look for the farmer's market that needs produce look for the farmer's market has like lots of produce because that's when you want to be at like just certain extent we've found that we didn't done many different farmers' markets and the ones where like we're the only produce vendor it feels like Ok well you know everybody's going to come to us well pretty much every just going to go the other farmer's market has more options. So don't necessarily look at it as like oh well they need produce here that's a great opportunity you know look at it. As you know you can go to your farmer's market see the traffic they get and see what other people are growing and you know it's not as bad to have the same produce in the same stand usually the makers look a little better be Elsa's So yeah I would say just scouting out your area and your comments regarding marketing are starting the process. So we don't have farmers' markets in our area Sarge any different than Di singers. We learned very quickly that our area does not like c s A's. And so that was a big learning curve and we kind of everything that we do and my family laughs at me because it seems like every year or every other year I'm changing are our online Solution platform that we use because I'm always in search of a better something that works better for my customers and so we're something that always goes through my mind is I'm treating this as an experiment and our business model is constantly adjusting based off of feedback that we're getting from our customers or how are seeing our customers engage. That goes from from how we choose to sell to what we choose to sell and I'm a huge advocate in our business for testing product before we grow a lot of product especially product that's questionable somehow the rutabaga got past me. And we grew those 100 foot bed of rutabaga and I'm sitting here thinking and exactly how are we expecting to sell this. We sold 202020 I just got to get this off my chest 20 pounds a rutabaga the entire season to a chef. Who never used it because every time I would go and restock his cooler I would see that rutabaga sitting there and I'm thinking Well that was all we kind of the chef so never grow rutabaga again right now as we find some some miraculous way of doing it similar with different odd things like call Robbie we tried growing that for several years never caught on so we ditched it hackery turnips however had a really slow start and now we sell every single hack writer know we can grow so it's kind of like really just paying attention to the temperature of your customers and where where their interest is also figuring out how your customers want to buy for you so if you don't live in an area where there's robust farmers' markets what are you going to do what if there's no farmers' markets how are you going to work that and you know thinking through that thinking through those kinds of thing I just have to say something about the rutabagas. You alland you did a good thing by the whole but part of the journey of a farmer especially if you have a crop like that is to educate your people I mean have any of you used rutabagas. So I'm here to educate you I'm here to educate you rutabagas make the most amazing stew in the winter you put them in a tomato based do with carrots and q. and Q I just hated those and carrots and all of that and the tomato base with rutabaga and kidney beans it's amazing so we've taught our customers I mean they like rutabagas. We grow a lot of rude Legace but we also we also build up the produce to them like Have you ever tried rutabagas in stew in the winters. So I love it but I but I wanted to say something else that part in. Oh yeah that is a problem it's a better it's better in the fall it's a fall crop not a spring. Yeah I'm sure you'll be creative next time you end up in that dilemma but I wanted to give you just another thought about how to find your market because I think what Joshua said is the best if you have farmers' markets but another thing that we did just I mean a platform that you should know about is locally grown dot net and so that's good for the consumer but it's also good for a farmer because it kind of gives you an idea of what's being grown in your area and you can put your zip code in there and is it dot org Ok locally grown dot org Anyway it just gives you an idea most farmers are going to be listed there and so it gives you an idea of the farming that's happening in your area and you're going to want to look for some kind of new niche you don't want to if there's lots of people growing tomatoes you don't probably want to focus on tomatoes. We have time for I think for 2 more questions and here's number one I just wanted to comment on what Pam said about educate and before I started firms to I was actually working for the local health department on a federal grant called the Farmer's Market promotion program and I think some people touched on some of the grants and funding for like WIC the Women Infants and Children program but there's a number of like federal resources going into trying to get low income people to eat fruits and vegetables and I just want to encourage you guys like to check out your health department and also I I would be happy like one of the things I did in that job was come up with recipe cards and that would have some of those are end of that symbols and everything and I would love to do some like co branding things with with farmers that were interested for example key blood and blood they actually did flowers for farm stew this year so they don't is something off for their fires and then we branded a little card so obviously to educate about flowers but if there's another crop or something that might be something fun that we could share they still have all the recipes and we can make up our own and do some printing and stuff like that so it could be a fun way of just working together to or the work or those other federal programs they might have funding to help you educate your customers how to eat your food wonderful wonderful Ok one more question here in the back so so. A person I want to get into market gardening and as soon as you some advice and basically devices Well my question is so with gardening. And I want to use it to be of support my family. And also as the head of the home I see it as a means to be with my family and to be able to be no closely knit now. Through your experience what are some unique ways you cannot allow it not just be a blessing to others to spread the gospel what is the now you can give away food for free in. Unique ways that people don't necessarily think about in order to use it as a tool for the god there is a panel discussion tomorrow afternoon on agricultural evangelism which is I think kind of what you're talking about so I know they'll be a lot more then but a unique opportunity that we're hoping turns out we had a young. I guess that's for tomorrow. Ok so come back tomorrow and if we have one more question his points a good one there's a whole section on tomorrow's program specifically around the topic. Have the lingering question. Have any of you done anything whether in person or online when it comes to educating on how to use a certain. Cooking classes or cooking videos on your website or anything like that yes. So again there's 4 of us and. I would love to do you more than I can do. But we've done recipes sharing with our customers either through e-mail or on social post I've also done a hand a couple videos I think showing how we were having a hard time moving eggplant and so I decided to throw a video together showing how you could move eggplant then it got some attention. It's I think honestly I think this year has helped a lot when it comes to people's willingness to cook. Cove it has worked wonders in that arena. Where people aren't not as many people are eating out or feeling as comfortable eating out so unfortunately to the detriment of our rush on counterparts but it's really been quite a boost I think to the local agriculture arena and so people I feel my senses seem to be more willing to cook because that's a huge problem in people most people at least in our area they're not really interested in cooking and so this year's been a bit of a bit of a paradigm shift for quite a few people so I think now kind of similar to the whole online space we've seen online growth just skyrocket in the last 12 months I think we've also seen cooking at home skyrocketing in the last 12 months so again most of my work in that arena was done prior to this last year. So I think moving forward people might be more open to cooking at home and it probably varies there's probably you know with in the national area there's probably more people who are more health centric and so they're probably doing more home cooking where we live it's me in potato country people don't cook as much and so that's that's a little bit harder but yes it was just emails social some home videos I know you have a video expert in your family so yeah I mean just You Tube pretty simple when you if you can have a dime to do it. Come on the. Very good thank you for sharing. Part of your experience I know it's a big. But it's nice to hear and I hope. Everyone found something valuable Thank you all for coming this media was brought to you by audio person a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse or if you would like to listen to more sermon leave a visit w.w.w. dot audio Verse dot org.


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