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Grafting Tomatoes

Luke Fisher Chantee Fisher

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  • January 14, 2021
    10:45 AM
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Welcome to the tomato drafting class there's no here my name is Luke Fisher This is my wife Shauntay we are from Bristow Oklahoma we are market gardeners we grow. We have a couple hard tunnels that we grow tomatoes in every year and we've been grafting tomatoes for the last number of years here at the tomato grafting class but before we get any further along let's have a word of prayer deal Lord thank you for the opportunity to come here to meet together to share to learn and we ask that you would bless this class and may it be profitable to those present Amen. Ok so I have a few pictures but not sure where the h.d.m.i. court is on the set up but will get by without them. So why would you graft a tomato plant. Any guesses what is grafting and tomato plant. Disease resistant All right so here's the basic principle we take a disease resistant vigorous root stock and what they do for tomatoes is they do a wide cross between a conventional tomato. And a wild tomato relative it's a white cross that the so they like some a jungle vine tomato and a typical tomato they hybridize those in select for disease resistance and vigor taking no account for fruit quality so restock tomato will make little green berries that never get read never taste good never in a way you don't want to eat they're not good for eating but watching only drops or they're they've naturalized in our seed starting house or something and will have a few plants that will they'll grow and flourish all season never being watered right among the weeds and grass and describe a big nice bush with little green berries on it so they're quite impressive tomato plants except for they don't have good fruit so what we do is we cut the top off. We cut the top off of the tomato we want to eat. And the top off of the root stock and then we mix match the roots with the top. There are 2 to the typical method is called a top graph splice graft and you just cut in about a 60 degree angle right across the top of both of those clipped them together with some little silicone clips that are in a basket around here somewhere Yeah see I don't see that picture or not can you it's kind of small but you'll be able to look at the in person things here in a bit. Now the reason another reason why we do it in addition to the disease resistance is that increased vigor and long just from the vigor of the roots typically you hope to get about a 50 percent increase in production. Over over it in a typical short unheated high tunnel season. So for example some common varieties like big beef and draw tomorrow you might get 17 pounds per plant undrafted and $29.00 pounds per plant grafted That's according to one of Johnny's. High tunnel tomato grafting trials really I'll tell you how I learned how to graft tomatoes I went to Johnny seeds dot com. Went to their grower library and watched a little video on how to graft tomatoes and then try it myself and so that's everything I know about grafting tomatoes I just learned from doing that and you can go do that too if you order there are several typical root stock tomato seeds we usually get our shrimp Johnnie's and we'll talk about those. But if you order those seeds they'll mail you with the seeds a whole packet with all the instructions on how to graft or tomatoes how to heal them all the whole process and I'm not going to be able to teach you anything more than I learned from those Plus this I mean I can will share our experience. But but that's that's the basic the basic overview and I want to say that in our experience. Grafting is a mixture of an art and a science and the actual grafting I think is the simple part in our operation I usually do all the grafting because. Having smaller fingers easier when you're dealing with little plants. And he does all the recovery but to be honest the recovery is much more challenging than the actual grafting you want to do the grafting properly and it'll make the recovery easier that the recovery time is is where you really need to and I feel like this is where experience does help because you get to learn what science your little tomato plants are giving off and what to do about them. And though it's extremely helpful to like go to the Johnnies website and read and you can just follow all the instructions and know that for sure you're got to mean it's going to turn out perfect you really just need to do it and learn it and. As they'll say on the Johnnies website you just have to do a lot of fiddling and fiddle and fiddle and federal you'll start to learn you'll start to learn to be able to have better and better success. So we're going to share a few tricks of the trade something from our experience. And. That starts with we're starting your feelings I don't know I think Shauntay Can you walk around with some of these of these packets and you'll you'll be able to all that was a whole trace of together. These are roots start to matter they look different. Of the leaves look a little different this is s. to me no a stomach no as to me you know I don't know how to pronounce it exactly and big beef now do you see these small old tomato plants here these are these are Green Zebra Now do you what do you notice about the difference between. The big beef and the green zebras. Well the big beefs are bigger than the green zebras are there started the same day. Yeah I started these about 3 weeks ago. Even growing them under grow bites it's a little bit early season for starting to made as we'll talk about a timeline of it but basically different tomatoes sprout and grow at different rates. To me you know sprouts slowly we started these how many days early for 34 days early. And and a little bit on even germination Now there are several rootstocks all talk about the the common ones if you're buying from Johnny's they sell 3 different ones right now they are Max a fort s. to me you know and Diarra one half for some numbers it's just a number one and they have different growth characteristics and you want your stems to be the same size when you go to graft so one thing that you want to do is do a test germination a few weeks before to see how fast all your seeds are sprouting how vigorous they're growing so then you'll know Ok yes to me you know we need to start 3 days ahead of big beef if we want them the same size when we go to graft but maybe that the only one day I had 4 Green Zebra for instance so that's one tip is just knowing that you're knowing the sprouting growing qualities of your tomatoes the d.r. $14.00 x. whatever that one is it's a vigorous fast vigorous Browder you price started the same day as big beef and you keep up. Max a 4 is very uneven germination some soon some will sprout later you probably want to do multiple seatings of your top plant to match or an even germination of your bottom plant. S. to me you know just as slow Sprouter but it's fairly even more even than than the max of 4 so that's one thing. The other thing is choosing your root stock and you're going to choose a root stock I don't know how many of you grown tomatoes before. So there's something that we have to consider called the balance of the plant vegetative versus generative. The generative side is the fruit the vegetative side is the leaves and stems and if you have it to vegetative it makes a big plant with very few fruits and the ones that are there take a long time to get right if you have to generative it'll make fruit early but it won't put any energy into growing the stem taller and old Peter out not make very many fruits just a few early they get right but the plant doesn't have a long season so if you balance those used to make fruits and keep growing make fruits keep growing make fruits keep growing and that's what you're seeking if you're doing. Want to do a longer season of tomatoes typically we're grafting indeterminant tomatoes that are Traveston some way so we get a longer season and these will get 12 feet 15 feet we can't reach those who are at the lower and lean them or you might just grown to 8 feet and cut them off you know but you have a longer season vine and with so you have to then match the natural vigor of the top with the vigor of the bottom so the the rich talk to me know that we're using right here is a generative root stock. That is better for a short or medium season not for a 1212 month heated greenhouse production except for a few cases some naturally vigorous. Heirloom type or cherry tomato type tops cherry tomatoes you want to put them on on testimony no or a other another generative rootstock if you put them on to max of 4 which is of super vegetative they'll just be such long vines that they will you all know what to do with them so you so you have to balance them some like Johnny's recommends if you look at if you're if you peruse the Johnnies website they have an heirloom hybrid series the more bone more narrow Margaux those are naturally vigorous plants that do well balanced on just to mean a root stock. Of some of the other if you're but if you're doing if you've got a long season big growing big tomatoes. And people Romex a 4 or a medium length the one number root stock that they sell is kind of in between it's a vigorous but easier to balance root stock we almost use all s. to me know. Though I think we will try some of the medium ones as well this year as well so choosing a route start getting your seeds started the right timing when to start your seeds grafting is going to set your plants back a full week compared to so if you know when you want to put your tomatoes out into the garden. From a normal seedling you will start a week sooner than that and because the whole healing grafting process is going to set the plants back a week in timing. So you're just going to subtract a week we put our tomatoes out into unheated high tunnel between mid March and 1st of April. In Oklahoma we're still at risk for frost even in a tunnel so we have the sometimes may need to cover them with a rope covers there but that's our target. A lot of growers will pot their plants up after after their grafted into a 4 inch par 4 and a half inch pot and they can keep them for a few weeks after grafting in that before they need to go out. We have some of ours up into 6 inches and we have we get about 8 weeks from seeding before they have to go out. And the 4 inch maybe you only get 6 weeks from seeding So if you're planting into the out of doors just take into consideration your frost date we're going to start starting tomatoes when we get back from this conference start our 1st ones and then staggered over a few week period so that's these plants right here if you live in the north there you're going to have to keep them warm growing in a big pot in your window or something if you're in the south and have a and it Caterpillar tunnel in your backyard or something like this and then you'll be in business for some early tomatoes. Were we going next on to him being else. I just want to say that I think it's really valuable to do your own trialing and experimenting. You know it's really useful to hear the trials that a company like Johnny does but you know they're going to meet us up in Maine which is different from going to meetings and other places of the country so we've not been very good at like recording data it's not our strong point either one of us but we have paid attention to the varieties that do better and we have done some you know I'm grafted right next to grafted and that's been very useful for us and really convinced us that grafting is definitely worth our while even though it's some trouble even though you can't get a 100 percent success rate you lose some plants and the seeds are expensive but it's we have we're totally convinced after several years of doing it that it's absolutely worthwhile and are still in the process of learning which varieties really do the best in our area. All right so. Basically all you have to do is slice those plants off with a razor blade stick them together put them in a humid dark place that's about $70.00 to $80.00 degrees. On one demonstration for 3 or 4 days and then start. A climatized in the back to the outside world that's the that's the very short summary. Do you have paper towel or so. I mean all right so one of the things that I try to do when I'm grafting is to start off with a clean space. Wipe down my table with we usually have like. An alcohol solution either in a spray bottle or wet a cloth with it and make sure the area is clean and so you're not going to be introducing. Disease into your tomato plant as you're grafting timbres that bleach solution might be better even than the alcohol but we just use alcohol is most likely to stain your clothes we have fairly good we have probably what you think 80 percent survival rate. It depends on the year like if we have a unfortunate disaster that really sets back our stats on some good years we can have a 95 percent success rate we've had years that are more like 70 because there are usually circumstances beyond our control but anyway I think a good average would be about 85 percent don't hold that for me yeah so this right here is. A little tool that you can buy from Johnny's or other places it's not necessary we have straight razors I did it for years with straight razor blade before we got these but if you do 500 plants or something like this this is definitely faster and more consistent. And. Takes takes some of the skill out of it. Ok so when I'm grafting I look at my. The bottoms of the tops together and like Luke was saying it's important to get the stems as close in size as possible you have a little bit of leeway especially when you're dealing with. Like these big beefs over here have already gotten a little bit leggy as you can see and the stems can be slightly different diameters up and down so like. There's one here in particular that I could graft it closer to the top if I need a smaller diameter closer to the bottom if I need a larger one so anyway I just try to match my bottoms and tops I think we should plant this one in here before I deal with it. And then I just try to use a clean technique obviously dirt get around the table so I. Clean as I go. One thing that's just important is you want the surface of your graft to stay clean so I'm often wiping my grafting knife I used to use a razor blade and sometimes I still do I really I I enjoy free handing and sometimes this machine I don't know it works well but. I think using a regular razor blade works just as well this is basically the advantage of it is that it has some guides so that your cuts are exactly the same angle whereas with the razor blade you kind of things you just have to I that. Can you hold this for me. Ok so it's very vital that you make the cut on your root stock below the seed leaves if you do it above the seed leaves. Then you're going to get a bunch of suckers growing out of the root stock which you don't want. So I make the cut right below the seed leaves. I don't do it much further down because then there's like almost no room for the clip to go on there's usually only about half an inch or 3 quarters of an inch at most between the ground and the seed leaves so the top of my cut has to still be below where that 1st comes out. So I cut the top off I'll tell you get rid of that thing because you can get confused and I've grafted root stock tops to restock bottoms before. Yes you just throw them down on the ground underneath one thing is it's best to do your grafting in a indoors ideally or a shady place basically out of the wind out of the sun. And we we often do in the evening. I was we were learning from a grafting woman our we took that like 2 o'clock in the afternoons a good time if you're in the reason for that is basically you want this one there's a few things that you need to take into consideration when you're. Prepping your plants I'll go into that a little bit rubbish on talk here so I typically will cut off my top with just a straight edge research it's a lot easier to use than these ones for this part when the plants are gotten this big you have to cut off some of the leaves. For proper healing so. I'll cut it out something like that. You have to leave a few leaves but you don't want to have so many if you're dealing with grafting smaller plants they obviously won't have as many leaves and sometimes you don't have to cut any off at all. I have found in our experience like I like to graft plants that are just a little bit on the bigger side they seem to have a better survival rate for us with our methods than when they're really tiny I'd say this is about perfect right here we're just going to. So anyway after I've trimmed the plants and sometimes I'll trim them while they're still just sitting here then I take this and make the next cut. And just make sure sometimes. Lots of dirt and stuff can collect on the right to get on the surface of the tomato you want the grafted area that's going to be connecting to each other to be totally clean and not have any dirt or junk on it. So anyway I. Slide the clip on the bottom and I'll show you how to put the clip on after I put in the top the clip is clear so you can see through it yeah. So if I'm putting the clip on the cut if I make the cut like this you want to put the clip on basically you want the cut to be. You want to see the cut through your clip through the middle of your clip at the crib the in your clip yeah. If you if you have the clip placed so that the cut is facing back or forward the top of the tomato can come out a lot a lot easier time. And look at how I please. Clips are actually I don't remember what size these are but these are a little bit small for the size of our plants we have these plants at the biggest size that we ever graft. And they make a few different sizes of Yap's So 2.5 would be the best for this size and I think these are either 2.0. Or 1.5. We usually we usually have all 3 sizes so that we can just use whichever clip works best. These are some left over from last year we buy another bag this year to help us finish. We do save clips sometimes like they'll they'll just naturally as the plant growth will just kind of pop off by themselves and you can go pick them up and make sure you clean them and dry them really well you can use them again or you can just buy new ones which is most of the time what we end up doing. All right so we don't. Transplant our tomato plants into cups when we're grafting we typically we start all of our plants for our own use in soil walks into have 2 or walks and then as we are grafting them will drop them into a 50 cell plug tray like this the blocks just to stabilize them while they're in the healing chamber so they're not falling all around and other things like that and so those flow walks are nice to work with you can a lot of commercial people will graft right in a little 6 l. like this you can read or they'll split split a larger one into strips like this you can do all your grafting right on right on the right in the tray. And leave it growing there during the healing process and then after the healing process they'll transplant them out into their larger pots so that's what I would recommend if you were just doing it at home. And had access to these war soil walking just graft right on to the right lead this relieve the rootstock right in the 6 pack and transplant them out after the healing is done. Then I would say the the fun begins of the healing process and this is where you can absolutely make it or break it as I'm grafting I don't know I don't remember a fluke mention this but I do it in the shade and when I finish filling up a 50 cell tray like this we immediately cover it put it in the high human environment like I don't just let these grafted plants sit out for a while until I'm done with the project we get them as quickly as we can into the plant hospital so that they can begin the process of recovery and. That is Luke's department I will let him talk about it. As I do so I we have some like 7 to have pinch domes that will go over a full $1020.00 tray. And you get those from the on line from the nursery supply from Donnie sells them and will miss the inside of that and and then cover up a whole tree of grafted plants and we keep that misted and start over there in between the outing till we get our full tray filled up but basically. You're going to miss the inside of that dumb. I'll cover those plants and then you want to keep it hidden like 90 percent humidity you don't want water dripping off the ends of the plants sometimes I've missed of the plants before sometimes I've had problems with the plants getting. Fungal issues from being too wet if they're too dry then they will cut if they're to wear then they mold so so basically you want high humidity without keeping the plants physically wet that's the goal so misting the inside of the dome then keeping it covered we've found that if we're using a $1020.00 tray with with a humidity dome over it it will not stay dry enough without regular misting when it not stay wet enough without regular misting or what we found as well just take Saran Wrap and just wrap that thing up so there's no leaks or cracks. And then it will keep its humidity for the full 3 or 4 days so that's what we do right so then we we can actually leave it alone and not have to deal with it during that 1st really clear critical period of 3 or 4 days because the water's not getting out and it stays humid enough in there otherwise we used to have to be always you know lifting it up and adding more water and it just adds more trouble and it's easier we found to make it airtight. So today once we do in the cups we've got another cup we can put over top tape it up and then you want to keep it in the dark basically when photosynthesis happens you take sunlight c o 2 and water to make carbohydrates since we've cut the top of that plant off there's no way for water to get to those leaves. And. Through the stem and tell the healing has happened so we want to cut out the photosynthesis for a few days to we'll keep those in the complete dark. We traditionally have not done a high tech system. It's best for it to be a nice mild 70 to 80 degrees we've just Saran Wrap the trays up stuck them on top of the refrigerator and put a towel over a. Minute stays reasonably about the right temperature up there but but if it's too cold it takes too long to heal if it's too warm it stresses I'm a little bit so just right in between 7080 degrees is perfect now after 3 days all pull that tell off and just let him be an indirect light up there for another day or so and after $4.00 to $5.00 days then I start I start venting a little bit. Off the saran wrap up. Re mystify need to but then keep higher airflow bring them out. Into more indirect light on the countertop. For Another Day and then all take them out to the greenhouse and put them on any one of the benches there for a day and then there were transplanted back to transplant an hour into their bigger pot after about a week now after that week 10 week to 10 days she's right now if you if they've been to cool they haven't healed us faster than it takes a little longer now if you leave in the dark too long. The roots will starve and die because they haven't had enough haven't had enough they've been too long without light. So you have that kind of critical period week to 10 days to reach your healing stage we transplant them out. Ideally you'll do it in the afternoon they'll have a have all night to get a climatized out there before the sun comes up and if the next day is really funny after put those down to the floor of the greenhouse off of the benches or put a little shade over them or something like that the other thing will do for plants that are lagging a little bit behind and they start to wilt and they're part all just take a cut just like this and put it right over them in their big pot in May and put them back in the humidity dome set that pot back under the bench and in the seed starting house so it's in a cooler less direct light and put it back up the next day and we save basically that really increases our survival rate so we have maybe 25 percent of them are really struggling at the end of our process and I can baby those long for another few days and save most of them. Yeah so I would say the most critical phase is like day 5 to 9 because at 1st you're just kind of leaving them alone but then it's that weaning off process that you really should check them every couple of hours and if they start to get a little bit wilting then make sure you increase the humidity decrease the light and really help them to perk up. So. We'll see what else we wanted to share if you're doing this on a larger commercial scale. A lot of people do it just the same way they'll just have a whole slyness shelves of 1020 trays with the dome over him and they'll keep the whole room dark or they'll make the whole room into it or they'll build. Basically a humidity healing chamber with covered in plastic. Take a. Vicks Vapor humidifier from Target in just the humidity level and put a sensor in there that's checking the heat and humidity. And keep it all perfect and just run the plant through there. We haven't gotten that high tech We haven't even checked temperatures or humidities But basically the rule of thumb is if you can see droplets of water on the outside of the dome that's good that's that's humid enough if the dome gets dried missed it if the plants have drops of water on them that's too much humidity and you need to vent a little bit. We figure that most of you who do grafting tomatoes will be doing it similarly to how we are not making a big high tech operation so if you do that's great and we would love to move that that direction someday but it's possible to do even at home in your kitchen on top of your fridge rater it can work there's also a 2nd way to graft which we have not used but we are going to try because the way that we showed you is the simplest in the fastest with the other way actually has a higher survival rate because it has more surface area and that is to cut the plant off straight and 7 an angle and then use your little blade to cut down and so it kind of splits open the stem and then you take the top the Scion or whatever it's called and you you make an angle on both sides to make it kind of look like the head of a screwdriver put it down in there and then put your clip on he requires a different kind of clip than this but they're clips that you can buy from the same sorts of places and because it has twice the amount of area to feel they have a lot higher survival rate than just the simple splice I mean you can do bigger plants also with that method. It's more efficient to do the small method we have pretty good survival rate with the small method save space. Save. Some It's faster so we just that's what we've been doing well try a few of the others I didn't bring any of the other types types of clips Well I was going to say is this is the controller you can get these for like 20 bucks on Amazon. And you can use that to run a power supply of whatever you're using to keep in to heat your heat your area to keep it warm got commercial heat maps that I that I start my speeds on you can plug it up to little space heater or whatever and set your temperature this goes like the 10th of a 10th of a degree. Temperature so you can set it right it 75 it will keep it between 72 and 78 and tell you precisely what your temperature is all the time with the little probe that comes with it so that's handy thing to have. To know if you're interested if you are welcome to try your hand you can come up here and get supplies just get a plate and. A cup of dirt and a top cup and take it back to your seat you'll need to get a blade to we have we have blades here we have 20 razor blades we probably have enough tomato plants everybody could do one if you want to take one. We've got enough plates and cups and plants but we'll have to share razorblades between a few people. We why I don't mind if a couple people if you take turns couple people at a time working at the tables. You can also do it on your lap just try to spill too much dirt around. Also just to. Agger did not ask us to bring tomato plants I. We You're welcome to make a contribution like $2.00 would be a suggested donation per plant if if you were able just to cover the cost of seeds clips soil other accessories. Respect to minute seeds cost nearly $0.50 each $0.40 apiece so they're not cheap so we we just play plant what we need that you covered the cost even if you get $1.00 extra tomato So if you look at it that way it's absolutely worthwhile. Yeah we'll take some questions right now also you guys can start coming out my wife can help you and all answer questions. We've got we've got one of these minor graft things at each table we also got 10 razor blades and each table. You're welcome you can squirt squirt a little alcohol on your hands if you like with these bottles they have a whole potent underneath that would. The My wife will help you with the tomato plants over here. Will reveal the quick the clips will fall off if you want to when you take the clips off they'll cut the fall off by themselves as the plant gets bigger. They'll come off by themselves just after a few weeks just one of them don't let him fall off on their own accord and can put some in there is a little hole a little to hole up the backside of these clips that's made for putting a stake through a lot of people put a little small like skewer type steak to keep the plant stabilized we haven't found this to be necessary in our experience though it very well could help especially if you're grafting small smaller plants. All right so you're going to need you're going to need to find get you need to get a root stock tomato. Meanwhile wife can help you with that and then you can choose a big beef plant or greens they have a point. And. Then. Then your wife off each one of the 60 degree angle and clip them together miss the inside of your cup and then try to tape it on to the top of the other couple. Now I'm happy to put these in a cardboard box on a climate controlled heat mat for the rest of the conference here and you can write with one of these markers your name on it and then pick it up at the end of the conference or you're welcome to take it take it to your take it to your own place and manage it yourself. Where you want your copy. Any other questions. Of you. Let's talk to me we. We know we've. Saved seeds for our own rootstocks I've thought about doing that I have it. They're all hybrid. But I'm sure they would produce some stock type plants because I think I I think I have some naturalized ones in my seed starting house to just come up every year so I've not save seeds from my own stocks but it's something to trial and I. Think Yeah so what you do in that case is just plant a restock seed and not graft it let it whether fruit in the seed and try saving the seeds now it's a wide cross. Between. Some kind of distantly related tomato relatives and its offspring one itself pollinator going to segregate a little bit until very very very ations and re combinations so you're not going to have as consist of a root stock when you save your own restock seeds. You could develop an open pollinated strain of rootstock seed with there's none commercially available but there are for the rest of the kinds of tomatoes so I'm sure they could be developed for root stock as well so that would be a good seed Marine project and you have to do your own experimenting on the quality of. Yeah so if you're planting tomatoes into the same greenhouse or the same high tunnel every year eventually you're at risk for getting disease pressure building up and that's the main reason people started grafting was to overcome the disease pressure without having to move their greenhouse and what do you think your success record of the 1st time you try to get the 1st time I tried it I I probably did I've had about prostrated with 7080 percent and then we try to be 80 to 90 percent now so I've now if it were really it worked out fairly well the 1st time we tried it. One of the mistakes that I made early on was after I drafted them I really water them. Heavily just as I thought hey they're going to need plenty of moisture in there in the roof. And the and that was a mistake now the problem is if you water it right before right after you graft it sucks up all that water and increases the water pressure to put it in simple terms in the lower stem and that it's pushing water up through that. And will actually push separate the 2 the separate the graph there and you will lose or your connection so that the on the other hand you don't want them to be to drive as they have to last a few days with the moisture the heat the environmental moisture there so we want them to be more ice so you give them a good watering maybe the night before and make sure there were also the night before but they've But they've kind of equalized after that watering so I would graft I'm different than Dick the bottom of the block in water a lot of police out straight in then and then put them in the healing chamber and we'll all we did that we lost more plants then we had before so. So don't overwater them. Right right there in the grafting process also a lot of people if you notice these plants they have a slight amount of purple on the leaves That's from stress. From little bit of temperatures a little not too much nutrition in the soil. That makes the tougher plant in that you don't want to growing too too fast or as a harder time healing you want a little bit tougher plant that you want growing too slow either a little purple on the leaves is good during the grafting process. You want to slow down the growth before you go to graph so lower the temperature for a few days or. And. Just make don't have them just on a high humidity high he high fertilizer regimen with really tender growth or they'll have a harder time making it through the grafting process. When you have 20 percent next year yeah we just extra and then we give if we can what we often end up doing is if we have extra plants at the end of the season we share them with be in-laws in the parents and the cousins or so and sell some. Some Remember now you're going to cut at an angle below the seed leaves on the root stock and then you can cut the top at the same angle but it doesn't really matter where on the stem just try to match the diameter of the stems and if there's too many leaves on your top trim off some of them and then splice them together with that with that grafting plant. And make sure you missed the inside of your plastic cup and then tape it to tape to tape it up well and then if you want to write your name on your cup we're happy to keep it here for the rest of the conference in a warm box. Or you're welcome to take it with you. Oh yeah yeah I just missed the whole inside of the Cup so it's covered with droplets. And then tape it on. At the top of your yeah. Now we've got a few rolls the table around here now that looks good looks good. The big holes in your and your grafting clips are political stakes Some people take all of their tomatoes they put little like coffee straw or something of tiny little dolls in there to keep the tomatoes upright we don't do that and we found that they do just fine but if you want to you can that big hole is to hold a stake through him. Squeeze on the big Tumen the little tiny things will open up. Yeah just yeah just keep it dark. Ideally and not me touching them. That will be fine so yeah you want to keep it. In the dark for about 4 days. 3 days complete darkening the 4th day you can a little indirect light. I've got some cardboard boxes I was going to put them these cardboard boxes on the mat throw a towel over him and I mean if you write your name on it you can get it from me. You want to keep it dark for the 1st 4 days Ok. All right. That we've done this my time here is your top it doesn't matter I got to show it doesn't mean it's Ok we can get it doesn't matter if you cut the top below or above these leaves you can do either one on this that's Ok you have an Ok amount of leaves there I would cut it probably right above or right below you can cut those little leaves office one. I yeah the same angle as that one. And you can return it if you need to leave it there are now you need to clip. In and put the clip on the lower plant 1st and then you can slide the other one down onto it. On. The t.v. then just lay them on the top Yeah and just make sure the 2 things wind up and pushed together while he was little or if the soyles more that might want to be more I suppose not so it wouldn't it wouldn't hurt. Yeah it but hopefully it won't dry out of his taped up well. Yeah. You can just set it back into the box. Now we are in cabin 6 b. 6 we and all all. And. Yeah. Well you want to just keep it 1718 or heal faster that way if it's too cold will take longer to heal. But basically I have you're welcome to keep them wherever you like if you want to give them what me are happy to watch him in then on. Thursday Friday Saturday evening maybe. I could bring the box out to the. I might at the Agora stand at. The. At the exhibit hall. If you want to take it to one right that's fine that's fine with me 66 be. It. Snow shouldn't have to find it or if it does it yes the top if it's on the bottom you don't want you know in there. So if you want to make a $2.00 donation You're welcome just to pay a certain cast now or later our cash out pass tag of socialist produce. You can cash apis that fishes produce or Pay Pal Christians produce a g. mail dot com Thank you. Yes you get rid of that no that's what we do. Oh well that just you know. If it can grow out of that I think it might be able to grow new shoots out of the junction is more likely to you now I might even stake in that I'm just telling you what our practice is the band I would say. You can leave on the table you can keep it if you want but I've got 20 of them here. All right here's a roll of tape 3 marry the wants to. There can. Be hard times. Ok perhaps. You can just you can. See yeah right there you have so since that cut is right at the leaves of pride need to recast it. So the leaves are off have to be above or below those enough that they don't hit. Her My bone all right but let me so. Yeah you need. It So our solution to that will be cut this higher. And you might pinch off a little bit of that. You take a tip. In the middle there that's what got you that's Ok How are those Now Ok so let's try just. And you can lay it on the trigger on the cuff and I mean on the plate and just cut against the plate yeah. You know much more to do and you can work with what I know right I'm going to bring the let me look right now if you get. So missed the inside of your cup and tape it on there if if you want us to keep it put your name on it so we know it came from your. Wall just leave it on the play. Oh you can we can put it back in though until the next batch of sort of walks makes If you want. To. You can i mean not you don't want that clips done. And you can use that soil and for something you want to. What varieties do we grow we grow our whole action we go on a big dinner. We go big. We are told we're always trialing some nearby we're growing this year will be growing. More gold Jen says. And what else are we going. In more nor are. We actually you know. We. We go to Europe we you know we go some chefs choice orange and and we're going to try some chef choice or jam beyond us this year and. We really like you're. Going to. I also we had we really were very pleased with the torch series that Johnny's last year those were really great tomatoes they they were big but small enough we could still clamshell them and they grew well they tasted good we're really pleased with those. This media was brought to you by audio verse a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more. Audio verse if you would like to listen to more sermons leader visit w w w audio verse or.

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