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1- Why Farm for a Living? & Paradise Acres Farm

John Dysinger James Tiffany Lucia Tiffany



  • November 13, 2014
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dear family father we need you here we thank you for being here we ask that you will guide our times I pray that we can get the projector working if it's your will and that we can have a meaningful time here in Jesus name we pray amen so one thing we realized right off the bat was that even seven hours seven sessions there is no way to give you all the information we'd like to give you on doing this for a living but one thing that I want to do is try to point you to resources when I first started farming in nineteen ninety eight of course that was before the Internet really took off but my biggest challenge was where do I find this you know I wanted I read in Eliot Coleman 's book about this and this how do I get a hold of it and so we want to point you to those yet well I mean just the small okay thank you don't know what we'd do without manic than a lifesaver can you all see that the little bright I wonder if we can turn some light saw so since we got it done in a rush through this just got a few slides and I don't think I need to convince most of you and in some of this has already been talked about you know farming was God 's original plan for man were familiar Genesis two fifteen and the Lord God took the man and put them in the garden of Eden to dress in the keep it and then I want to point out even after saying you know some may say well yeah but that the world changed when Sam came in yesterday and change it was going to be harder but even after sand Genesis three twenty three therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken so you set out to do the same thing he'd been doing in its also God 's future plan for man we know that in heaven and the new earth were going to be building houses and inhabiting them planting vineyards and eating the fruit thereof I often wonder what Morgan and do without weeds in the past and disease but it sounds like I I I'd like to try figure it out Isaiah sixty five twenty one is that verse and this is the clincher it's still the bullet best plan in the meantime in God 's plan for Israel every family had a home on the land with sufficient ground for telling in that landed us was that provided both the means and the incentive for a useful industrious and self-supporting life and no devising of men has ever improved upon that plan this quote was what got us into farming when I read that I said why would I settle for anything less if this is the best plan that's the one what I want and that was the beginning of our journey I wish I had time to share that if that's not reason enough we can talk about other things it brings families together Yum modern life tears families apart would you all agree with that agrarian life brings them back together again you need the whole family to make it work there's something to do for every age whether it's the grandparents they can sit on the porch Michelle P and whatever you know the little kids can carry the tools they can pull weeds in their something for every age it is wonderful in uniting the family it D compartmentalize his life modern life is divided into many compartments you go to work you go to school you come home you want to have some family time and you've got it figure out time for outreach that's important rights and then you've got a working exercise when you can get your exercise and then you've got to have your time with the Lord that's important see you got all these different directions wife is trying to pull you but the beauty of the agrarian life as it brings it all back together again your work is at home you don't have to go anywhere your outreach is your business you get paid to go to the city and share with people is incredible your exercises your work your time with God I'm not saying it should replace your quiet time in LA with the Lord in the morning which you can walk with God all day oftentimes it's just you and he out there in the garden together it's amazing it's the Adventist advantage in one neat package in all the things that Mrs. White emphasizes in her writings is tied up in this country living family emphasis that the health evangelism outreach to the cities you know we do that twice a week how many of you go to the cities twice a week to evangelize of course agriculture you know there's a lot of emphasis on that in her writings the eight natural remedies can anyone tell me another occupation which is so involved in all a natural remedies I challenge you I haven't found any yet it's all in agriculture true education we just heard about that we could go on and on it's so beautiful that just and we didn't even understand this when we started we just figured well no devising a man has ever improved on it so let's do it and it's only coming to us over time while this is amazing better than we could've ever imagined it's healthy for the whole person and again since much of this we've talked about mental physical spiritual emotional moral I just wanted to touch on that you know we don't like to talk about this too much for some reason but man and I would appeal to women do you want your husband 's estate the world is trying to get them to fall everywhere in the workplace that the city wherever they go the devil is trying to lure men it's an all-out assault and I'm not suggesting that you won't be tempted in the garden but I am suggesting and I am telling you that I can't think of any place with less temptations you still have to deal with yourself in your mind that you're surrounded by the things of God the social you know you're working together on something Joshua said no the point that children realize this is valuable you know if if we don't get the cops covered when the cold is coming we may lose this crop which means we're not you have money to sue to pay the electric bill you now were not so they realize this is not just a chore mom and dad give me to keep me from from being on the computer all the time this is I got a do this or work in a be in trouble it's just amazing the world is hungry for good food and real relationships social media can't satisfy that hunger I think I think they're already figuring that out large agribusiness companies can't satisfy that hunger but small diversified family farms and through nutrient dense food for three real food and emotionally rich relationships you know I it's unbelievable the relationships that you develop with your customers those of you heard here last night I I read that quote about how God has created us to bond with those who feed us that's an incredibly powerful blinded it gets me choked up just thinking about it you know the last CSA of the season our customers are crying their crying because there given Mrs. and Miss our food on they bring us gifts you know they say we can't thank you enough for what you're doing but I want to warn you that it's it is one of the hardest things you may ever do it will stretch you it will test you like nothing you've ever done before in an I used to wrestle with the Lord on this more you've called us to this point yet it's so hard what's wrong here and finally it was like one of those lightbulb moments it was like well of course it's going to be hard the devil doesn't want you in the garden all the forces of hell will be against you Satan 's greatest desire to keep man out of the garden that's for God created them to be so obviously Satan is government try to keep you out of it just keep that in mind it requires indeed dying to self it's not fun to get out there when the wind is blowing and it's very cold it's not fun to get out there when it's over a hundred and ninety eight percent humidity it's often just plain hard work the money is not good for the time and energy exerted now I it it's getting better there are more opportunities and for some of you young people I'm convinced you can really make it work worse still were still trying to unlearn stuff if you know what I mean so we are hoping the next generation is given far surpass us and not that this is really important that it doesn't have much status especially in Adventism that's a sad fact that I hope will change you know my mice daughter shares sometimes she says you know I go to the farmers market and I'm treated like a hero I go to add newsgathering in tell them I'm a farmer and it's like oh I said yet despite all this it's deeply satisfying and rewarding we wouldn't trade our life or any other and we can't recommend it highly enough just looking at my time and realizing I may have rushed too much but that's okay this is another of my favorite quotes I have a lot of favorite quotes this one is power packed and I spent a lot of time trying to dissect it from education page thirty three and thirty four the education censoring in the family was that which prevailed in the days of the patriarchs for the schools less established power the schools established it was a family centered education right God provided the conditions most favorable for the development of character so what are those conditions most favorable for the development of character the people who were under his directions still pursue the plan of life that he and appointed in the beginning what was that what was the plan of life in the beginning it was in the garden but but Adam in the Garden those he departed from God built for themselves cities and we heard about that last night that's the opposite of God 's plan cities but the men who held fast God 's principles of life and dwelt among the fields and hills they were tellers of the soil and keepers of flocks and herds and in this well let me just stop there so what is that conditions most favorable for the development of character country living agrarian life tillers of the soil keepers of flocks and herds and in this free independent life another word we use for that is self-supporting right independence being your own boss free independent life with its opportunities for labor that's the physical study meant so meditation spiritual they learned of God and taught their children of his work in ways there is the conditions most favorable for the development of character so you're here to learn about market gardening how you can actually make a living doing it I'll tell you as I just did that it's not easy it's not can happen overnight and to share some resources here and you be saying wow you know you got these visions of what could be that some Rome wasn't built in a day isn't that what they say in your farm is not to be built in a day but there a lot of resources out there there's a growing number of people who are doing it I hope you'll try to tap into those people this weekend the farmers that are to be presenting here in this session again you can only pack so much in half an hour but I hope I know all of them will be willing and eager to talk with you in those few moments in between meetings and wherever they can infinity so with that in mind I want to talk a little bit about resources and I'm trying to stay tied to this well I can do this I'll just take the microphone with all of you got a recommended resource list and unfortunately that is my list I had wanted the kind of compile one from from everyone but some we can get that information together and so this is my list and I'm sure that the other farmers I hope they can share some other resources this one somebody have one of those I need one myself okay I got were not going to talk about all these but I I want to talk about them now at the beginning of the conference because at address has purchased most of these books and they will be for sale over there in that room IAI will tell you right up front you can get them cheaper on Amazon but it's if you buy them here your supporting at agora and in so that's up to you but the new organic growers by Eliot Coleman is the place to start in my opinion his book is as actually becoming a little bit dated I'm trying to remember I think it was revised in ninety five so that's almost twenty years ago but of course most agricultural knowledge doesn't go out of date and so that's the beauty of it in fact many of the best books are from the early nineteen hundreds or even earlier so don't let that deter you again your unit you're not can I agree with everything these people say because they're not Adventists but this and I quote that I shared with you are what I attribute to us getting and agriculture I got a hold of this book and you know I had no background no real interest in agriculture until I started reading these things in the spirit of prophecy and then I got a hold of this book the new organic grower and I started reading it and in my mind he's a he's a tremendous writer just a really interesting writer to read and I said while this this sounds like something I could enjoy and so that was the beginning of our journey and any list of books I see this is highly recommended this is kind of I mean it has historical value because he's kind of considered by many to be kind of the father of the then new organic movement of course some people been doing for forever but I I would highly recommend this book he goes into a lot of detail on tools and how to use them and really emphasizing a small approach and I think in my mind that is a key to getting more Adventists into this you don't have to have thirty acres you can actually do it on an acre acre and a half a he has it I would call this an addendum to the new organic grower from my think about ninety five to two thousand five he spent ten years just doing winter growing and I know some of you are from up north in your thinking will wait a minute you know what is that mean Eliot Coleman is in Maine that's pretty far up north he's in zone five he grows year-round all winter long in unheated houses Alan Siler was just there last week her last ten days in his place I hope she has pictures you know so he tells you how to do it low-tech you were not talking about fancy you know twenty thousand dollar greenhouses were talking about simple structures one layer of plastic one layer may be two layers of row cover floating row cover those of you who went to our farm yesterday you know where you many of the techniques for using we got straight from Eliot Coleman I just need my phone here so I can keep track of time okay I don't have much time I want to give the CFO half-hour here sustainable market farming this is a new book that just came out recently but this is I this is almost a reference work in my opinion it's got two main sections I talk about but an incredible amount of information on all your different crops lots of information so this is a great resource for market gardeners the market garden this is this is a book that is really excited me this just came out last year in English is as a young man Allen also visited his farm we went we visited last year up in Québec he's been doing it for ten just below over ten years he's bringing in close the hundred and fifty thousand often acre and a half of intensively managed garden and it's a unbelievable actually to read and said to try to figure out how he does that but it's it's all about keeping crops in their having a detailed plan where was something comes out you replace it immediately and him he's doing that in in the he doesn't do whether growing doubts from June his marketing season is from June to October and he's bringing in that kind of money now again I don't anymore not even bringing in that count the money yet so don't think that while I can quit my job and I can make a hundred and fifty thousand it's not can happen that way of this promise you but this is showing what can be done and again our emphasis should not be money right but you do have bills to pay and so you've got to have something that can work so I highly recommend this book basically he's he's standing on Elliott Coleman shoulders and he says that you know I learned from Elliott and I've adopted and adapted and gotten a few new tools and he's growing from their market farming success I would highly recommend this one for anyone just considering it read this this book goes over all the basics of market farming a lot of resources at the and just a great starting point so I'd highly recommend that book and I told you we have these books but we have limited amounts of these books we weren't sure how many the order saw just putting in a plug there now we don't even have them set up yet so don't rush us don't mob us at eleven thirty but I would not wait till Sunday because they may not be there and then I want to to just mention this magazine I brought these over here as I want you all this group to have first first chance to get these whatever's left is going but back over there for anybody to use or to get but the market guard our growing for market in my opinion is the best magazine out there for market gardeners comes out ten times a year it's full of practical advice I just have to share quickly and in David if they're here I think they'll remember this but I got this magazine I got in issue a year and a half ago in the spring and in they were accede down in the house planting our tomatoes this was March and I got the issue nice I got to read this article it was on planning tomatoes and he had a different system as far as spacing that I thought was far superior I went running down to the house literally and I said stop and we pulled out the tomatoes regarding planted and replanted them the other way that's the kind of practical advice you know it's thirty six dollars a year your if you do it for three years at ninety dollars C save a little bit but in my opinion that some of the best spend money Juergen and spend if you are interested in this hub caters Internet resources as seen catalogs and and other catalogs I have these Sir Alan got these for us Deerfield supplies I would highly recommend them please just take one per family but the best places in southern Kentucky it's the cheapest prices I have seen on and most of your supplies we use it extensively and some people some of our friends in all the way from Allen in Oklahoma they found even with shipping it's cheaper than they can get anywhere else so this is a highly recommended catalog as far as seed catalogs I just point out you know there's a lot of other companies that that I could put on their I'm not being paid by any of these I'm just saying these the ones I put there are I think more geared for market gardeners and some of the others as far as pricing and some of this information so there's lots of others I know Baker Creek is here and I want to support Baker Creek their great company and I'm not trying to suggest that there is not other good companies okay so you're welcome please come up afterwards and get out of the seven Springs Farm I have their catalog as well there in Virginia offers those of you over that way great source for amendments but that's a start and will talk about more as we go along but we want to let Lucy a take over from here so as I said last night Morgan has start with with a small farm so you're not overwhelmed and you say well in I think I can do that in an organic kind of go to get bigger as we go along and in an bigger of course is not better we're just showing you a range of farms okay Jim you are you the spokesman here were making available our PowerPoint presentation and also we want to provide an opportunity for some training if you're interested rep passed on a small sign in sheet after the Oslo will check mark on her PowerPoint burner training materials if you're interested yes we think of for Nick to identify means my wife and see and we'll have about three quarters of the way out in lower Michigan so we have a prequel climate and we have little farm paradise acres farm and mom found in two thousand twelve we're at Michigan can't mean and we are interested in providing finance source of income for that Lussier could be involved with that could supplement some of my work I'm a civil engineer and I also do construction work in the outdoor in an environment with the Michigan economy the way it's been it's been up and down by two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen were down and so when we had an opportunity go to gardening 's seminar put on by the Smith family Byron and Janice and there their daughter Amy we took advantage of that and can't meeting in two thousand twelve and we attended that and learned about growing my country and so we started this business after camp meeting in two thousand twelve and we found this to be not only a means of additional support for a family but also a way that we can witness in our community and as Lucy a dozen deliveries every week she also hands out vibrant vibrant life vibrant life the little format tracks and also we follow that up with balanced living and now were doing glow tracks just one of our present a couple of quotes here for your thoughts here are the first one comes from child guidance page three hundred fifty six and in these days of mammoth trusts and business competition there are few who enjoys so real and independence and so great certainty of fair return for their labor as does the tiller of the soil and what we have found with the micro brings business is that although it's not big money what I really like about it is that it's daddy and is stable it's consistent okay so in those years where my business was flagging sometimes it was the micro greens that paid the bills and things got really tight during those years and I don't know you not sure God would've provided for us somehow but I think this was his means of providing for us and helping us to get through those tough years and an Artie mentioned I didn't mention I would like to mention that we have my mother living in our home but she's eighty seven this year and she relies on us for everything are the only thing that she can do for herself is shoe and swallow so that keeps Lucy had a very busy and so this works very well for us in and helping us was some income and the Sierra can be flexible in her schedule and this works out for a while for us on the next quote also comes from child guidance page three hundred fifty seven if people only knew the value of the products of the ground which the earth brings forth in their season more diligent efforts would be made to cultivate the soil all should be acquainted with the special value of fruits and vegetables fresh from the orchard and garden I just want to say that you know we benefit in an additional way from growing micro greens and that is what's left over is for us so we grow to order but we draw little extra just sometimes we end up being a rule short still but we grow extra I just make sure we mostly have enough and dumb sometimes well we end up with a surplus and the interest is tremendous when I'm sitting at my desk working away at the computer and Lucian brings me a green smoothie that comes from these wonderful Re: nutritious microbeads okay let's will bring tiny little bit about our operation where micro- enterprise by definition that's a business with less than six employees I work in the micro greens an average of about twenty three hours a week and we have hired help that helps us about five to eight hours a week it's a high school kid from our neighborhood and our growing space is only eight feet by twenty feet and this is indoor space we next converted part of a single car garage into the space and our yield in terms of volume is anywhere from twelve to eighteen pounds of micro greens a week and that varies because of the summer we have a lot more orders than we do in the winter and so this is kind of the span across the year of how much we may be growing on our estimate revenue for the shares can be about twenty nine thousand dollars and is our second full year of doing micro greens and I met is about sixty percent of revenue before taxes legislators are little bit of an idea of you know what we're doing economically with the scale the scale I want to start the definition micrograms a lot of people still don't know what my Koreans really are and other vegetable and hurt feelings that are grown in soil to the cotyledon or first truly stage when they are harvested by cutting the stems just above the soil and sample tray that we brought here that you welcome take a look at his give you an idea of what that's like this is ready for harvest has been growing for about fourteen or fifteen days now this one right here is a mixed Brassica which means it has broccoli arugula greens kale cauliflower am a little bitter radish and so on in their ecological athlete how nutritious are microbrews any as nutritious as sprouts whether a little different from sprouts and that sprouts you need to feed and Mike agrees you don't but most of the stuff from the Cedars already gone into the shoot it so there's only a couple of favorite actions the only one I've found that tell at the phytochemical levels and assorted micro- greens in a test of the University of Maryland tended to have higher levels of health protective elements and then more mature leaves and sometimes as much as forty times this is our availability last this tells you the kinds of things that we grow for sale you will see on the left-hand column we have organic green and new boost mix music autograph and mix and nobody really knew what that was so we change the name and this really works well on the health food store Lafayette and that so there whenever big markets that when we have an organic rainbow mix this is a mix of greens that we grow separately and we hand mixed together sometime our personal on custom mix they won't get this anywhere else and we have organic Asian greens which are a mixed or packed joint capsule a Missoula and radish here's a picture of our rainbow mix-and-match is gorgeous I just think the beauty of my degree the something that's really hard to match anywhere and I just I just love how fun it is to work with these beautiful greens we also have organic radishes spicy mustard issues sunflower greens and basil we grow a little bit of cilantro but we only do it for one restaurant because the really quickly for a minute so much trouble it's not really worth it so we just had to do it for customer satisfaction on looking at the kinds of crap there's a lot of different crops that you can grow with micro greens these are some of the easiest to start with and they are easy because they're not real fussy and they don't take too long to grow so you don't have as much risk of running into problems with DNS or mold or whatever like you do with some of the longer growing ones breath as a very hearty their green there rate on mustards provide a little bit of a flavor boost sunflowers are very popular in Michigan and I think a lot of other so they're very sturdy robust large by one man here on the left we also have grown corn shoots for certain restaurants a rafting for them in their delicious delight candy near popcorn and you grow them about this tall in the dark in their yellow and the there really very sweet and PCs are also fairly popular some of the more difficult crops to grow our your color crossing your herbs things like bull 's blood be the launch rail than all herbs charge on these take longer to grow on some of them three weeks or more and they tend to be a little bit more difficult to get a good yield out on so if you're just starting out and start with something on the first slide rather than but these are very important if you want but color crops like we do in the rainbow mix it are basically two different methods for growing the micro greens are slaves using plug trays which is what our sample micro green as in and it has seventy two cells and using this helps to automate some soil some people grow all their micrograms in a flat trade ideas less soil in a plug for a bath of Black trade and we use the flat trays for our bigger ones like keys and sunflowers and porn shoots grow in the black trees prematurely fails in the countries with the plug tray crops there are a few that we have to soak seeds for but then basically plan them in the in the tray we germinate them covered with high humidity and then we put them out under the lights went through Germany on for the flat-rate crops we soak the seeds and priests brought them those are the really big feeds like sunflower peanut and then these trays are stacked in April will wait on them until the shoots are about this long about two inches long and then you put them in indirect or no light depending on what you're growing for a few days and then they just go under the lights to green up so that the processing and really stay on top of those stages to make sure that on the end up with a good crop on the talk a little bit about market considerations if you're looking at doing micro greens were things you need to think about their marriage is talking about our particular market we are about fifty miles away from Traverse City which is a population center and there's a lot of interest in this sort of product in our community is probably seventy five thousand people in our County at about forty thousand in the urban area Traverse City there's a fair amount of operative middle-class is a local community college and is a lot of interest in environmentally friendly organic and local produce they are quite a number of local farmers markets in the counties around us as well as in our own County and there isn't a lot of competition for micro greens commercially on when I started going around people told me that they some people were buying micro greens from another local farm nearby they complain about quality a lot and I understand why after we got into it because it's hard to be very consistent in your quality but that is really what sets you apart from on your competitors and were also the only certified organic operation our local health food at our co-op doesn't really booming business they sell about five million dollars a month in the summer time and they have a very big produce section but in that particular item alone is important in that it tells you that there is an interest in our community for healthy foods and in some communities there may not be that of infants know that something better to think about it this tells a little bit more about our Traverse City area one of the top ten summer trips for twenty twelve green National Geographic one thing that really impacts micro greens is that it is one of the top five foodie towns in America at least now is really where you can often find a good market for these micro greens on all the Carolina local wineries and unfortunately a lot of the wineries and breweries that have the margin to purchase Mike Rodriguez which is sending I didn't know till we got into a playlist on the couch alone about our area now how do we go about marketing our approach was just kind of losing a pet is really really know anything about marketing I'm not a marketer or as much of the salesperson and by checking with our local health food store to find out if anybody would fire my dream to be grew them in a dentist before we planted the first speed I talk to the produce manager anything you know we used to have someone as old as migraines but they're not around anymore so yes we be willing to try it as long as you give us a price that's reasonable and that we can do our market and resell and so I knew I had one customer when we start and that so that was kind of what gave us the courage to to get into it now also did a lot of cold cold calls to local restaurants just use Google look for fine dining in your close community and we try to contact the manager or the executive chef and make appointments to deliver free samples are samples were always package the way we would deliver them obsolete if you are labeling to film our information and make it stick in the refrigerators and how long it lasted for a lot of restaurants how long the microbrews will last is very important consideration for them a poor quality migrant reasonable back three or four days are micro greens are good in the refrigerator the kept well for about fourteen days that really does make a difference we also deliver the samples with the schedule for ordering because we grow to order only we don't have a margin to just grow a bunch of stuff and hope some of itself so we have the order because it's basically a true and a half week lead time that we need to do most order fulfillment we ask them to let us know about that much ahead of time when he wants start women want to change her warmest and by doing we can plan our planting and not have a kind of surplus that we can't use or come up short most of the most of the time on the availability was also core shows the prices and shows the sizes so that they know when it's going to cost them our customer base has now grown to where we've delivered to Judah for grocery stores it does depend on the season and six eight restaurants we have not explored farmers markets because of our scheduling issues I cannot leave my mother-in-law alone at home or said and some farmers markets are a good option for when it comes to planning that's that that's a really big part of growing microbeads I know I can talk about okay after we got into this set of snarling guard our feet wet but got in much deeper than that of what what we found out was that their worst there were several variables here and that made planning for planting challenging one is that from week to week the eight bit quantity set were delivering can vary based on orders orders change once in a while each crop has a different length of time for growing and our mixes often have multiple crops okay so Lussier was spending sometimes four or five hours a week just trying to figure out what she needed to plan for that week so I put together what we call the micro greens automation spreadsheet and for that we have some inputs we have a worksheet for each customer where we can put in their orders for quite a few weeks out I would also bet inputted the growing duration by crop and we have certain days that we plan and we harvest one day a week so we had to work that out and also we looked at there are historical average yields by Kraken inputted that information and also our mix proportions for rainbow mix and and someone in what we ended up with as an output was a worksheet that tells you when and how much of each crop to plant and not so and it would Australia here in a moment here just a little quick look at that it yelled one thing about this is that it involves a lot of complicated spreadsheet formulas and it's not user-friendly to set up initially bought it saves that for five hours a week of a planning time for planting and of course we try to set up her schedule for but no avoiding Sabbath work the one thing we have not been able to avoid at this point is we have to rent some of our seeds on Sabbath and that's very minimal it takes very little time and doesn't tie us up and I'd be interested to hear from some of the other some of the farmers how you deal with that I mean when you have certain things that just have to be done Sabbath how do you minimize out how you pretty work without of this is this is a the output of the automation spreadsheet you can see that the cross here in the left column and then with the planting days it gives you a number of trays you need to plan for each crop for that for that day of of the of the week for the planting cycle as you can see here we have three planting days Wednesday Thursday and Sundays of each of each week sometimes I varies little bit anyhow all were marked Rogers running it and so on we are USDA certified organic and healthy start so far no one else really seems to care but I think that will be helpful if we diversify also gives us a leg up in the market I does require good record-keeping but I think that's helpful even if you're not going to be certified we have to keep planting records by trail my trades are numbered and put the date the crop the quantity the lot number in the seed supplier for each of those we heart harvest records by trading with the date and quantity which means that anything that's on the shelf list of the store can be traced right back to the seed of origin where it came from who we got that feed from we also keep silent feed and I have a binary file folders and keep oldest organized on being certified cost is about twelve hundred dollars a year but there are grants to help with certification in a lot of states and this year we got seven hundred twenty one dollars back a few other considerations labor requirements we have talked about that already does depend on the season sometimes it's a little more sometimes a little less speaking to twenty hours for me five eight hours for part-time hired help which is a total man hours and twenty three to thirty six hours a week and we do a harvest delivery one day per week on things we have to consider the climate in northern Michigan we started with a small outdoor greenhouse that we outfitted with shelves and we have a very short summer we weather outdoor wood burning furnace that heats our entire house nine months of the year and we have a large temperature variations in the summer when that's pretty cool often at night even in the middle of summer and this led to inconsistent size growing times and yield a harvest because even though the temperature and humidity are very important for consistent Evergreen product does it wanted to grow year-round move the operation is an attached single car garage was insulated and heated on the same system as our house is not a lot of extra energy for us to have that heated space we maintain a temperature sixty nine degrees plus or minus about six degrees we run fans and have an open window whenever possible all excess humidity can lead to problems the fungus and mold need to think about your humidity levels looking at basic equipment and set up our therapist heavy duty plastic shelving was shop lights and recounted was in a lot of investments get started in early payback on our initial investment electrical adequacy is important to follow the white we are at capacity for original wiring in the garage as you can see from this photo is almost the sum total of our growing operation with one more set of shelves that that's off to the right but that's that's almost that there we put in a laundry sink which drains to the floor drain was already in the garage on my most valuable tools equipment would probably include our plantings raise both the plug-and-play trades a commercial scale that is accurate within one gram investor you need to measure your seeds quite accurately for the trade and some type cutter for harvesting we use a combination of scissors and electric knife you places story or see the materials we mix our soil in big plastic tops like you can get at target or Walmart we are harvesting doesn't call under the salad spinner for those sunflowers we need coolers for your deliveries have we as a color laser printer into our own labels we started out by having the labels done in a copy please could we didn't have a good quality printer and you look on your resource handout sheets you'll see where we get a lot of the things that might be helpful and we are probably some areas in which we could still automate more like getting maybe it were a real genuine so Sir we still do it by hand on and harvest are such of the kind Jonathan has just a few other considerations in a couple more minutes are going okay on ongoing expenses are things like these oil components packaging and delivery costs and other things we buy once and they're good for a long time the entrées we've used over and over and over for two years we haven't watched any breakage yet it's the only kind I would recommend getting and it is listed on your resource utilities skip think about terms of your situation and supplies you might have an occasional train replacement the flat trays to hold up as long as the Padres a variety of sprinkler heads for your hose rubber gloves inheritance for harvesting we use cheesecloth to keep the beat sprouts clean because they don't shut your hole easily but what comes up to the cheesecloth is clean so we don't have to worry about train wash the whole plot and use hydrogen peroxide diluted seven percent for disinfection of the trades and I guess that's where were at the baby have any questions isolated the blessings of the data that has really been great one question here okay we use our powder am organically to all began at growing we don't use any animal products in our growing and it's one put out by converted organics is the brand but we get it through Sony 's own farms are great lakes Academy at the seven one one fifty which is the fast acting powdered fertilizer we can make that spreadsheet available I know someone could help us programming database said to do the same thing that would be tremendous but yes we can make that spreadsheet available absolutely we monitor we have a little just digital temperature humidity thing that tells you what the humidity has and we used outdoor air because we're northern Michigan work tends to be dry from the middle of summer and so we opened a shop windows and doors newsstands I know there's more quest since then they will be here so they can answer question we just wanted were really many try to keep on schedule here so thank you that was power pack a lot of information on this is what you and calling it smart and if you have that market clearly they do great things in you so hopefully that is why the media was run by bodybuilders the website dedicated to spreading God 's word reading sermon audio and much more to know more about hot humors the more so than please visit www. .com 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