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Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

Pioneers and the Trinity

Daniel Scarone

Pioneers and the Trinity- Part 1

Pioneers and the Trinity- Part 3

Today is, I guess, my last presentation regarding the topic.

And I'm going to make a review, a general review, of the basic elements of the doctrine that we call Trinity.

I mentioned at the beginning that I prefer to call Godhead and because in my understanding it's more Biblical, you know.

From the beginning, let me share with you that I am a Seventh-day Adventist.

So I guess that we are going to communicate and understand better under that thing.

If you have a different point of view regarding that, you might have it for yourself, but probably this is not the best place to search for fighting.

I am going to be teaching people that is in the church and want to know more about the teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

So, basically what I'm going to base my presentation on today is in the Bible.

I'm going to say to you what is the foundation of the view regarding the Bible, because when I began to listen to some things, I was wondering how in the world it's possible to have people that are denying this teaching that biblically is so very clear in the view of the Scriptures.

So let's have a word of prayer and we are going to start because this is a very important topic that is dealing with the Lord of the universe and we need to be maybe to take our shoes and with humbleness of our heart, I study the topic.

Pastor Ingo Sorkin, would you lead us in the word of prayer?

Oh, Father, we thank you for the love you've poured out for us and for our hearts.

We want to thank you for you sit together and study and the rest of it.

Just use your spoken word and we'll pray for your blessing.

We also want to pray for your blessing on the Spelomies as they travel, grant them a safe trip, good movement.

We want to pray for the rest of the campaign that shall be missed.

When we go to the Scriptures, In the presentation, former days, we were talking and mentioning about some plural elements in the Old Testament.

And we were reading and sharing and comparing and searching about Genesis chapter 1, verses 26, 27, 28.

And I already mentioned about the Shema, Deuteronomy chapter 6, verse 4, and we cover also Isaiah, the book of Isaiah.

So I'm going to enter now with a, not any longer with a view of the pioneers, because we shift into that.

And by the way, you can find over the internet some good articles from Marilyn Bart, for example, or Dr.

Sherry Moon, or Edwin Gain, regarding there is an entire chapter, I guess it's chapter 4 of Edwin Gain in the internet regarding the anti-Trinitarians and the point of view of L.H.E.

And you are going to find out a lot of material over the internet regarding the topic.

What I'm going to review with you, some of the things in the New Testament.

And Plurality and triunity of God in the New Testament is the topic I'm going to be dealing with.

The Bible says there, "...go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." This is a biblical teaching.

There are people denying or questioning Matthew 28, saying this is not in the originals.

I've been showing a couple of times here somebody yesterday brought another argument that I never heard, that this was questioned in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible commentary.

And you see those set of volumes over there?

And what we did was to pick up that, share that and see the topic.

By the way, you can reach and read about that.

That is not the commentary without information, by the way.

There are some Catholic versions of the Catholic Encyclopedia that say that.

However, let me share with you something.

If you go to the Bible versions of the Catholic chart, you are going to find out Matthew 28 verse 19 over there, like it is here.

And I brought the Greek version with all the critical apparatus.

And when I am telling apparatus means that in the section of the footnote it is beginning to say this is based upon papyrus 145, papyrus 180, manuscript 48, something like that, you know.

So when there is a variance or when there is something that is a change or a deviation, it is going to be there.

So there is, according to the version that is based from the Bible societies, international, from which is working, you know, kinship versions and so on, you are going to deal with that.

I don't know too much, and I'm going to be very up the front with you, about English versions, but I know a lot regarding Spanish versions.

Because I've been discussing and I've been delegating from my church on the, from the local conference to the biblical societies in South America.

And I've been in touch with the head editor and translator of the versions in Spanish.

And we have our concerns, by the way, and I'm going to share with you, I can say a lot of them, because our church present to the biblical society in South America some kind of work like this, 700 pages, in which we were suggesting changes in the version, in the Hispanic version.

So normally, General Conference, North American Division, and several others are working in the same kind of style to be aware that we are here, and we are reading, and we need some changes.

Because when you are working with electronic versions of the Bible, you are going to see this abbreviation you see Kingshave versions is KJV okay new Kingshave version is NKJV okay so when you see Reina Valera is the name of this version in Spanish, is RV60.

And that is, Yushin Naida, by the way, was the head translator of that.

He was honored by the church in 1980 for the American guy, 7 languages.

He died already and he was a very good translator.

But we were questioning some words and several things regarding critical topics that were in those versions.

Sometimes when we read something, we need to compare the Bible to see what is in the text.

And it's right, But when there is no foundation, please, we need to stop that.

Because if the Bible says, in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit, And you are going to find out that there is no question with the originals and you are going to be or see that this statement is supported by very old manuscripts of the Greek language.

And also, you are going to find out that it's supported by early parallel non-biblical versions of books that were in the knowledge of the early church, you are going to say, hey, here is something that is important.

The Didache mentioned several times Matthew with quotations.

You know, you're saying that, but when you go and read the accounts of all the baptisms that take place, it's always in Jesus name.

And when you're reading through scripture, it's always, Jesus is always instructing his disciples to do everything in his name and that I can list you know the different accounts of baptism that's always in Jesus' name.

Now and this is after Christ went back to heaven, so the disciples would know what Jesus instructed them and would have done according to what he instructed them.

Even when you think that way, you need to accept that it's in the Bible and it is in the original.

I don't remember if it's Erasmus or Eusebius because 1 is involved with 1 John 5, 7, the other with this verse here.

He was the church historian for Caesarea.

And he quotes from Matthew, which they believe is either the very original writing of Matthew or the first copy, and he does not use that in there.

Let me share with you some things that are going to give you a little bit of light upon the topic, if I can.

First of all here, this is a title that is very important in the Bible, Father.

And there is nothing, what I would say, suspicious regarding the name Father.

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