Michigan Camp Meeting 2017

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Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application

Royce Snyman

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application- Part 1

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application- Part 2

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application- Part 3

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application- Part 4

Redemptive Discipline: Concept & Application- Part 5

How grateful we are to be able to call you our loving Heavenly Father.

Father, we need your help to know ourselves how to be loving.

We're here for a class on redemptive discipline.

It's because both of these are needed in our church today in a very real way.

And we pray, Father, that you will help us as we seek to make it complete in the way you want it to be.

So as we talk about some practical applications of the principles that are here, I pray for your wisdom and your understanding.

I pray that you'll give me words to speak and for those who are sitting in this class, ears to hear, we thank you in Jesus' name.

Okay, Well, we want to begin our second part of our study.

Just a reminder that yesterday we spent some time in the Word of God, a good place to be always.

Specifically we spent some time in Revelation, I mean Revelation Matthew chapter 18, and in Matthew chapter 18 we were looking at the counsel that Jesus gave, and we looked at basically the whole chapter.

We went all the way through to the end of the section where Jesus speaks about the pieces that he wants to put into place and the specific steps in relationship to discipline that he wanted to carry out.

And then we also briefly at the end reminded ourselves of the parable that Jesus taught, and on the issue of forgiveness.

And today we want to take that foundation of Matthew chapter 18 and apply those principles in as practical a way as we can.

Now Let me tell you that the purpose of this class and my goal in what we are doing in this class is to be as practical as I possibly can be.

I'm not only wanting to give you theological tools, but I want to give you practical tools, and I also want to give you a chance to practice those tools.

This to me, I believe, is a vital missing link, not the missing link, but a missing link in developing our churches into being strong churches for Jesus in these last days.

The material that I handed out to you yesterday, the supplement of material that I gave you yesterday, that's in your notebook, speaks to the value of discipline in churches.

1 part of it written by Seventh-day Adventists, Dan Searns, and then some other parts written by non-Adventists, which you would not even hardly expect in Christianity today, because it feels like, not necessarily as true, but it feels like the Christian world has kind of abandoned any kind of standard or I don't want to use the word rules but you know it's it kind of feels like anything and everything goes and that's the feeling that you kind of pick up from Christianity today, but that's not fair to all Christians.

Not all Christians are in that particular mode at this time.

And some of them understand, even when they've got wrong theology, in terms of the Sabbath and other things, they do understand that in order for their churches to stay strong, there needs to be some level of standard and direction for their churches.

So That's that material, I wanted you to be aware of, reminding you of that, doing a little bit of backup work.

But now I want to take us into our study for today.

And we're gonna start with a small group project.

Now you Remember we started with 1 yesterday, and we kind of worked in a general way with that.

But today I want you to take the principles that we established and apply those principles to this work.

Now I'm going to go a little bit farther here for a moment.

I want to go to this slide and then I'll back up here for a moment.

It's in your notes under the section 2, applying concept of redemptive discipline in a local church.

I just want to review this Matthew 18 process because some of you weren't able to be here yesterday and that's great I'm glad you're not great that you weren't able to be here but great that you're here today And I want to apply those principles here, and if you're not reminded of what those principles are and those steps, then you're gonna have a little bit of time struggling with that.

So Matthew Process makes it clear that there are 3 basic steps available.

Sandy, I don't think you got anything yesterday, right?

This is from yesterday to add to your collection, okay?

So reviewing what we did yesterday, Jesus told us that if our brother offends us, and we're speaking generically here, a brother or sister offends us, one-on-one visit with a member is what we need to do.

One-on-one, an individual going there and working together with them privately.

If that doesn't work, we move to the second step, and that's 2 or 3 leaders who are visiting that offending member.

The third step is if that still doesn't work, the offending member is brought before the congregation.

But I want to remind you that these steps can be applied in all kinds of discipline processes.

We named Ostrich discipline, we named judgmental discipline, and we named redemptive discipline.

And we said that ostrich discipline is what is prevalent in most of our churches today.

And you all get the analogy of the ostrich sticking its head in the sands would put you by the way they don't actually do that Speaking from Africa, you know and growing up around ostriches, they don't do that But anyway, somehow they got the reputation of sticking their heads in and that's what the people in our churches are doing most of the time.

We just hide away and pretend that it's not going on or that it will somehow solve itself.

And if we leave it alone, it's better that way than if we try to deal with it.

The second kind of thing we dealt with was the issue of judgmental discipline, comparing that with discipline that is redemptive.

And we talked about the similarities between them and the differences between them, recognizing that these 3 steps can be taken in both, but not come out with the same results, that there is a redemptive discipline step, and that is the step that God wants us to be taking.

Does the sheet got up here, but I'm not sure it got back to everybody.

If you were here yesterday, just sign your name.

If you were not here yesterday and you're signing in today, please put your name and your address on there so that I know how to contact you.

If you're in another 1 of my classes, put your name and address there anyway because if I'm looking at that sheet I don't want to have to go look somewhere else to know how to get in contact with you if I wanted to or needed to.

So these 3 can be prevalent in discipline that is judgmental and it can be present in discipline that is redemptive.

And our goal is redemption so that the sin can be contained.

We are also concerned that the Matthew 18 process be followed and if any of the steps in the process the sin problem is stopped, redemption can be accomplished when you can stop it and you contain the problem.

We're going to come back to that in just a few moments, but take your notes right now and do this if you would.

I wanna spend a few moments talking about this in a very practical type setting.

I'm gonna ask you to break into groups a little bit and All you gotta do is just turn your chairs.

And I like 4 groups, if you would be willing to do this.

Now, not everybody likes small groups, and I get that.

But Ellen White says that small groups are actually a training tool that she saw as a valuable thing, and so I'm gonna take advantage of that opportunity here.

We gotta do something a little bit different.

Now don't fall into the trap, because some of you, I mean the ones who were here yesterday you say, that's the same thing we did yesterday.

I'm gonna Get in your groups and then I'm going to read through it and then I want you to talk about it.

Well, I'll help all of us here for a moment.

Okay, we're going to spend about 5 to 10 minutes doing this.

I want you to have enough time to discuss it, but I don't want you to develop a whole theology and write books on this, so we'll limit it to about 5 to 10 minutes.

Here's the scenario, you can follow along as you read.

I'm standing up here with a camera and reading it so the camera knows what we're doing.

That's for the people who will watch it afterwards, you understand.

Alright, this is a hypothetical situation.

Any similarity to reality is totally coincidental.

The scenario is that you have a man in your church, Mr.

B, who's gifted with enthusiastic leadership talent.

He's 1 of your elders and the general Sabbath school superintendent.

His wife is not a member of the church, but does attend fairly often.

B who tells you with reluctance that she has suspected her husband of being interested in another woman.

She tells you that through a private investigator she has evidence that he has been having an intimate affair with a woman at the local spa.

B shows no sign of vengeance, but states that she will appreciate whatever you can do to save their marriage and protect the good name of the church, which, she says, she has come to respect because she attends from time to time and she appreciates the church.

B alone, with you and 1 of the other elders.

After prayer, you discuss with him the situation you have been informed about and ask him what you can do to help if it is true.

Almost immediately, he begins to lash out at his wife and you for bringing someone else from the church.

He defends his conduct and tells you that you don't know his wife.

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