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Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

Mormonism at the Crossroads

Daniel Scarone

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Father in heaven, we come again to you, asking your blessings, your direction.

Help us to build up our knowledge in order to be missionaries to this movement, and help us to give testimony to these people too.

Of course, we were, I don't know, There were some people yesterday that were not here.

I don't want to lose my books, by the way.

This is in Spanish, by the way, and this is the same version.

And this is the Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Pill of Great Praise.

And they are, you know, bounded together into that, but.

Yeah, And 1 of the things that we were talking yesterday was regarding this, and I am putting here, what is the scriptures.

Let me correct this for a moment, because I didn't, I was more concerned in other things, didn't correct that.

Now it's, This is the canonical set of scriptures of the Mormon.

They believe that the Book of Mormon is inspired by the Lord, doctrines and covenants, and you are going to see it is in this version that I've been sharing with you, the Pill of Great Price, and the Bible, remember Article of Faith number 8, that says that as it is translated correctly.

So yesterday we were beginning to explore, at the end, you know, we were beginning to explore the concept of Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith, we were talking yesterday about the history.

Joseph Smith was born in Vermont, in Jarom, Vermont in 1805.

Keep in mind the date because today we are going to review something and today we are going to enter into some detail and I will say superficial comparison between some of the writings of the Book of Mormon and some of the statements coming from the Bible.

But in history of the church it says, and Joseph Smith the prophet, the instrument whom God used to translate this record, testified that, and this is quotation, i.e.

So the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth and the keystone of our religion and a man will get near to God by abiding by its precepts than by any other book.

That is History of the Church, Volume 4, 461.

So 1 of the things that, and we finished with this yesterday so I am just recapturing a little bit and we are going to start after that that in the book of second Nephi that is Book of Mormon okay I am using the writings and say awake and arise from the dust and hear the words of a trembling pattern whose limbs yes man must soon lay down in the cold and silent grave from whence no traveler can return a few more days and I go the way of all the earth.

So it sounds very poetic I will say so it is it's quite interesting the topic I'm going to reflect a little bit in a part of the presentation that is called sources of the Book of Mormon.

And in the sources of the Book of Mormon, we are going to work a little bit regarding the linguistic, and I'm going to share with you some dissertations, and not, some of them not theological dissertation, but linguistic English as a language or the main topic dissertations and 1 is done in Purdue University in Indiana.

I'm going to share with you that information and you're going to enjoy that.

So the point here that caught my attention, and by the way in the Times in which, as I mentioned yesterday, I was living in South America and I was a little bit familiar with the 2 books, 2 books, 2 works, or play works of Shakespeare.

And 1 was Macbeth and the other was Hamlet, but in Spanish by the way.

Sorry for that, I already request forgiveness a couple of times before.

So when, but the metaphor here is from whence no traveler can return.

So it is a very deep, deep and profound metaphor here in the second book of Nephi chapter 1 verse 14.

And by the way, the English, the linguistic building is astonishing.

Well, I would say for a book that is from 500 years before Christ in America, and that was originally, you know, written in Reform Egyptian.

It is almost a miracle, I would say, you know, not to enter into much about that, but what's the origin of this metaphor?

When I was reading that, I remembered immediately, and I went to my house to look for an early version that I have of the complete Shakespeare works and here it is.

But the dread of something after this, the undiscovered country from whose born no traveler returned.

And when you compare that and when you compare that you're going to see that of course I put this in this book I put this and I say that and immediately this is coming out from them.

Let me explain what it is because it's in Spanish but it's from them by the way.

This is coming from our friends in Estudios Sud and that is 1 page in the internet from the Mormons that is from them and they they mentioned Joseph Smith plagiarized William Shakespeare when when wrote the Book of Mormon, an analysis made by a Seventh-day Adventist pastor, and that's the name.

I didn't search myself regarding that, but they moved the page now.

And you see the Angel Moranay over there is in Spanish and an analysis made by da da da da da.

When you compare from whose born no traveler returned, That is interesting.

Because Shakespeare is about 1500 and Joseph Smith is 18.

They are going to say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Of course, I grant you permission to think that way however Book of Mormon is what this is a translation of what okay Egyptian reformated language okay but who is first in time translation or Shakespeare finish finish Shakespeare finish finish Shakespeare first you understand what I'm saying here so that's so if not they are going to ask you please, could you tell me in Egyptian reformed language how it says in that language?

Because if you don't have the power to do that first, that is not a translation and that is a very big lie, by the way.

Of course, I'm going to agree that probably Shakespeare took the concept, the conceptual frame of non-returnable way metaphor coming from the book of Job, because it's that, okay?

But the concept of traveler is not in the book of Job.

When you go to the book of Job, chapter 16, verse 22nd when a few years are come then I shall go they were whence I shall not return that that's a book of Job so probably maybe Shakespeare took the concept here from here because this is normal why because Shakespeare William Shakespeare, was a very deep intellectual person and the Bible was very common and by the way the translation of the King James Version was in very close time to Shakespeare language.

That's probably understandable, but the other...

I will leave the thinking in your thing regarding that.

But it's very, very clear for me that here is something that is not.

And probably on the following days, I'm going to mention a little more things regarding these things.

Here is, regarding the Book of Mormon, the error I speak of, this is Joseph Smith.

In the definition of the word Mormon, it has been stated that this word was derived from the Greek word mormo.

And take note about this because we are going to be connecting statements regarding this and this is the source of those statements.

There was no Greek, he says, and no Latin upon the place from which I through the grace of God translated the Book of Mormon.

Let the language of that book speak for itself." So he says, there was no Greek or Latin upon the plates that is the golden plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated.

So, let's to do that here is 1 third book of Nephi book of Mormon chapter 3 verse 17 and This is about the year 34 AD.

I am the light and the life of the world.

I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.

Alpha and Omega is the first and the last words of the Greek alphabet.

Or here is a gap in the knowledge or when the big statement there was no Greek or Latin in the manuscript is wrong or something like that but here is in the book of Mormon by the way so you you can you can search online you can download that and and you can and you can check for yourself about that this this is another second Nephi chapter 29 verse 3 and because my words shall his for many of the Gentiles shall say a Bible a Bible we have got a Bible and there cannot be any more Bible.

And when you check the books and the chapters, it's going to tell you where, approximately, what is the time frame in which those statements, those chapters were written.

And this was written in between 559 before Christ and 545 before Christ and there was the conceptual framework of Bible in those days.

When you think about genealogies and dynasties and time frames and timelines and when you are going to, you know, to throw a schedule upon the times, you are going to see that this is the time of Jehoakim, and this is the time of the first temple destruction and in that time it existed in America in Egyptian reformated language the concept of Bible.

You know in the New Testament, when the New Testament quoted scriptures, they never used the word Bible.

The word Bible is not in the Bible because it's a construction, linguistic construction of centuries after the time of the early church and this means that there was a concept of Bible before the New Testament before the New Testament there is no Bible you agree with that everybody can agree with that so and before to end the Old Testament there was a concept of Bible that Bible here is used before Daniel Haggai say Zechariah and Malachi and before Jesus and before all the New Testament.

So it's coming from Tabiblia, it's coming from Biblos, that means the books, that is the Hebrew scriptures, plus the New Testament writing.

So the word Biblion itself has the literal meaning of paper, scroll, and come to be used as the ordinary word for book.

It is the diminutive of Biblos and Egyptian papyrus and possibly so-called from the name of Venetian port Biblos also known as Geval from whence Egyptian papyrus was exported to Greece, says the note.

And the Greek term, tabiblia, that means little papyrus books, was an impression Hellenistic Jews used to describe their holy or sacred books or the Septuagint and the Christian use of the term can be traced about probably, that is close, 223 after Christ.

So here we have a gap that is how many years?

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