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Growing When You Can't Buy or Sell

Jerry Travers


Jerry Travers

Gardener, Arborist, Botanist, Soil Analyst, Carpenter, Author, Lecturer



  • November 12, 2015
    2:00 PM


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Well good afternoon everyone. What we're proposing to do this afternoon is on this question. Growing. When you cannot buy or sell. Is. If someone has a question. Please come up to the microphone because we want this to be recorded and the panel. Who will answer the discussion. Will who will answer these questions. Are you OK So if you have some answers for these questions I'm going to start out with some questions and basic son on things but if you have some answers if they're if they're short you can probably just say and then I can repeat them so it can be recorded. But the microphone here is for answers if you thought these things out. Well I first like to begin with prayer. Lord. You're the one who has told us how history is going to unfold. There's going to become a time for your faithful people where they cannot buy and sell a form of retaliation for them not giving in to the beast. And his. Economy that he has set up. So Lord we ask now that you. Guide us and give us wisdom on how to prepare for this time. As we as we follow your counsel. We can be blessed even through this trying time and Jesus' name we pray. A man. Now as I thought about this question here. I thought of some problems that we would run into and this is. You know how are you going to be growing things when you cannot buy or sell these are some of the problems we're going to face. What are you going to do for fertilizer. How many. Now by their fertilizer so that's something that needs to be considered What are you going to do. When you cannot buy see how many. And what are you going to do. When you can't. And when you aren't able to have access to fuel to irrigate weatherstrip pump your water up out of your well or irrigation equipment parts you can't get. And what are you going to do. For killing. Now many have tilling equipment that requires fuel. And so these are important questions now. For farmers. They need to really take this in hand and that is who's going to buy your food. It's going to be illegal for you to sell anything. So you may have a farming operation but you know unless you want to be thrown in jail for selling. It's against the law for you to do so so basically I see this here as a problem. That's going to have to be dealt with by households. Because most of us will know and have followed the council that we need to be out in the country and not living where prying eyes can see what you're doing a good example of this is if you ever read anything about communist China. And how the people just spied on each other Russia was the same way that people spied on each other this is why we're giving counsel to be out in the country where there's not prying eyes to see what you're doing. OK now I want to address. Answers to these questions first. OK. Because they exist. But I would. I would guess that most of you are very unfamiliar with the answers. Who fertilized the for reasons. The forests. The Shrub the land. When they stop when they supplied food for say the prayer is one hundred twenty million vice and great herds of antelope an elk great. Colonies of prairie dogs who provided for the passenger pigeons the. The fruit and seed that they eat. When the flocks were so intense they would blot out the sun for a few days. When they would fly and move across the United States. So if they were well fed. God has in place a system. And so let's consider who receded the Perry's who receded all the trees. The nut trees. The fruit trees. That provided food for all these animals. Throughout North America were here in North America but anywhere on the earth who provided all the seeds to replant. And how were they successfully replanted. So that they continued to feed these vast vast heard and flocks. Who irrigated it all. We have some dry country. And you can see Texas right here where we are the stunted trees. How is it that they here in Texas. Had vast heard of animals well supported. Who did the irrigation How did this year a Geisha and system work that God had to stablished and establish well here. It's a system we've highly damaged. OK so. And the. Just to to do to address stuff for a moment the Oglala Sioux. Reservoir. Not guess as old while a lot of us who is the name to the Indian But the Oglala reservoir which stretches through many of the states here is an underground reservoir and when they first have been to it they're only pulling up water for irrigation from two hundred feet I hear now it's down to like six hundred feet and it's almost not profitable to irrigate because the water's so far down. Why isn't it replenishing itself. What has been done to the soil surface that it doesn't catch the rain but instead it washes off and runs off in Torrance during the topsoil with it and who filled all of this land. Who killed this land for these crops that were produced every year. OK so this gives us some idea of the answers. We're looking for if God has an agricultural program and he does and. We appear to be very far from it. It's possible that the answers lie for this table here this panel here is right back. Learning his system. OK Does anyone have a question. One up here and. Here's a microphone. I was just giving you a general idea of how I see things as. As a solution. No question. Most have some questions on. The question I have for you. We're all concerned about the same today. Right. What you would be our top priority in preparing. That's what I would like to address. What should be our top priority. But prepare for what answers. Your the panel. It gives the answer is yes. I would just like to say the first thing that crossed my mind was water. I mean. Forget about your crops know that you're not going to last very long without water. And I can to share with you that. And I don't know if have a you may live by a lake or you may have a spring or something. Most of us have wells I think that live in the country. And some of us. The Lord blessed us with a shallow well. So I could just share with you what we did. We were able to find a pump that. We. Plums. I replied that so that we could shut off our electric pump. And we could pump into our pressure tank. And still have pressurized water into our home. So that you know you don't have to carry a bucket of water into your house to do so you have a hand pump attached. Hand pump and it was you know how shallow is a well. It was only twelve to sixteen feet of Dharwad. Now that doesn't always work if you have a lot of wells or deeper than that so you you. You have to think about that you will you would need a Lloyd's space a different type of hand pump. If you had a deep well. And so many things to consider but. Water has to be one of the top I always have not the top with Billy. OK And. There's some. Yes. Put up with the speaker a human. You know. I always thought. Dry land is dry land it's going to be dry land. It doesn't have water. It doesn't have water. And then I read this article about someone down in Texas here. Who made the springs start to flow again. And I thought know how to do that. That just shocked me when I read that. And so. But as I become more interested in perma culture I find that that's going on world. Worldwide now. God's design is that the higher elevations would be planted up with vegetation. If you're going to do agriculture be usually on the lower lower pieces of ground and. When the higher pieces of ground. Have vegetation woods on them whatever whether it's shrub land or whatever. Then they start working on the ground and they make the ground tribal by the dropping of their leaves. And all the microbes and critters in the soil insects and worms and everything that start. Tilling that soil. And keep it so well tilled that when it rains the waters go in they don't run off. And when they go in then they start to come out as springs. And as creeks and in the areas like in Ethiopia where they've done this and the other African countries. The springs and the streams have started to run again in areas that were just places where people used to starve. There was not the water. So this is something. This is a preparation for that day. It is a. It's the theme of our conference here. Restoring the waste. Places. You see all ground is to be covered you've heard that probably seen that movie back to Eden and how important the covering it. That covering is what causes the waters to be able to go in and not flow off and to be able to keep them from of that parading back out of it. So that's something we need to consider. We as a people should be demonstrating to the world not the from a cultural this. How to Restore the waste places. So consider planting up to make sure everything is planted up. Jeff Lawton who is has the trademark perma culture. Went to the Dead Sea region it was about two kilometers from the Dead Sea and planted in that salt. Land that was so salty you couldn't grow agricultural crops. Planted in it. Mulched and drip irrigated it for three years and then they shut the project down. Six years later the whole place is Flora Xing. The pomegranates the figs. The different fruit trees were all growing. Now. And not only that the salted land that had been wasted. Couldn't grow anything I was now producing food. So God has a design. And we have to learn that design. And that design is to keep the land covered with plants at all times so that that can address something. As a preparation for water. Does anyone have any more questions. I just thought I'd add that to the water situation. Any more questions like. Well you know. You really don't need that much land. As we have gone over. Planted. To supply your needs. Like happen in a car some people. Used to commercially grow on. So if you take in use raised beds. Raise it up about eighteen inches or so. Put some soil in there. And then grow in those raised beds. You're fine. How do we plant on that elevation so we can that Rocky elevation. Yeah so we can get a lot of the App Store. The Australians have a deficiency of water. And they came up with what they call. Reeking worm beds. Where you go down. You dig. Below the grade Now if you've got rocks. You go down to that Rocky level. You put a like a bath tub of six mil plastic. And you bring those edges. Up along the edge of your raised bed. So all the water you put in stays there. And then to have a little pipe that comes out that. You know if you get excess water all during But you can get by on very little my son just built one. And is working out great. They call wicking worm beds you can look them up on You Tube. And so it's it is a way that you get by on very little water. And can grow. Can. As to planting Iraq's I my property is a an earthquake fault. And it's a tallis flow from the cliffs. That broke down and they're there they were covered with trees. It's Connecticut and Connecticut is not a dry country even though it's itself for drought this year. Because the whole earth is being so disturbed. Because of the removal of its plant cover its fact and even the rainy areas but these rocky slopes. I plant them. I plant grapes and trees their fruit trees. And I just sort of pull rocks apart. And this loose Tallis keep pulling it apart until I get myself a couple handfuls of soil and then I put the roots there and I take a bucket of this compost is soil from elsewhere and then I mulch and very heavily with leaves. This area and. These rocky slopes. They do have trees on it and they do find the water through the rocks. Somehow. And they do have great find done and they find the water through the rock so when I do that I may lose half of what I plant. But this year they've been doing well and they produced. Quite well. And they've stayed found the water. So it takes a while for the roots to get down. But these eerie is that well that you have twelve feet deep that has no water in it. There were trees over that property. Probably on those rocks. And that was collecting water. And that's why that. Well was dug only twelve feet. Because it was water enough. At twelve feet. To supply their needs. It's just that all around it. That soil that had been collecting the water is now on covered. And so the sun bakes it. And the rains run off. OK Do we have other questions. OK And brand new it all before. And we're looking for land right now. And I'm wondering how much land. You need to feed like a family of four. How much land to feed a family of four. I knew in one answer that I can see right off the bat. It depends on how productive. The ground is. For instance when I put my corn in the first thing I do. When I planted is I see how far apart I have to space it. And then the first year I grow it. And if the. The ears don't fill out to the top. I have to space. I know that in the southwestern deserts they grow a desert corn and they plant it like one stock three foot by three foot. I mean they've got to land. They just don't have the water. But these corns are adapted to grow in that environment. The Hopi blue corn and. There's other things there are plants. Adapted to grow in very very dry. Environments. And so you need to this this now is addressing see. You need to get the seeds that will grow in your environment. Seized up for Deuce food. And then learn how to grow them. What the spacing is that you will need in order to grow them. Well I think that we didn't really answer the question about how my flan for a family although we did talk about it but it's not very much as far as acres. Depending on what crops you grow. Like root crops like sweet potatoes the potatoes produce a lot of food for for amount of square area. You know her area but we especially my generation is so far removed from working with worse isn't saying that it's like a completely really other world. You know it's it's it's hard enough to do agriculture. Without of like I the I think it be harder to deal with what I probably get kicked in. You know something you know. When I was in the diner ha'p'orth I was addressing a farm I was helping lead their horses into the barn one time when I got smashed into the wall there by. And so. But I think. If you can get fruit trees or perennial tree planted stablished you can get fruit. Your food from that year after year without needing to replant them and possibly use. You know. An animal or something. And then if you have. If you kind of use the a bed system of growing thing. You don't have to. You can use like a broad fork or something to lose in the soil you don't have to particularly do that deep. You know plowing every year. So I don't. I don't think that you have to have a horse if you nippy know how to use a horse and he want to do several acres. You know go ahead. But I don't think it's. I don't think it's a necessity. That. That's my thought. I want to continue that point for just a minute dresser question a little bit better because I want to bring in to what the Spirit of Prophecy says and what. Mrs White's it. When she was in California. She had two acres. To workers. Now she had a lot of younger help. They were planning the trees by the Ellen White method the fruit trees were very profitable. Very productive and. So I wanted to tell you that much. I also think in my personal opinion. If I had a tunnel land how would I be able to work all of that because you brought up the dimension of feel. We may be able to stock a little bit of it but to be able to keep running long term with the fuel it just doesn't seem very practical. Practical to me and. So I'm prepared to just work as much as I can with hand tools. Don't have to worry about any cost of anything. So some of us maybe older can't do that I'm getting up there I know. But. Yeah. It's. I think we should try to resort to as much as the natural means that people did for five thousand years before they were there was all this modern stuff. Because people survive for a long time before all this technology came along so. Which is more prone the California last two years and place. Some Money plays property here who are no web. We just impressed to move on from the cons in a city with play. We are. And the garden we are doing and. It was so compact thorough and. My husband killer the first time with the saw compact than it ran in the flood and rain and floods. And then. It just. We planned there. And then we bought a yell and sees all gone. And then we plant flooding and renting a losing out then God God God that I down the drain and with the creek to watch out. I just keep crying but we don't have the mobs and we got. And this is and. So much in a set for time and I we did. And I was the big lot this is a lot from last see. I was crying on the planning or not and I would we do. Hose and digging and all kinds of in which is hard work and. I was trying my best lot and. This is our battery try to get better and better. My husband is. Well if the lot of want to have been he will play. And then love it here and then was not much of the rain was there was so much pain and despair. And there is the lens. Stop in and after that we got up plenty of truth in God has given us and I have. I can a lot I so little a little bit and I carry my own assessment of that. In answer to the question of how much plan but I need. In college I was a student missionary could be do a find in Tanzania. And the our culture school I worked at all the students were subsistence farmers. While they were at the school. So each student had one acre of land. And they'd raise corn beans. There is sunflower seeds to press for oil. And they had a large bets for garden. And then couple you not with banana trees and the other cut a tree. Because of the tropical climate. They were able to grow. All the food and they even fed me with that. I didn't work in their gardens. I worked on another farm project. So I don't know. I never tried to be a subsistence farmer we do crop farming. But I know with one acre of land per person they're able to eat a simple meal and year round. Just with the corn and beans. And on the horse. I found out this week that. Pressing sorghum. We did our first test run for storing the losses. And the horse made it a lot easier. And they eat mostly grass. They won't be fat on grass. But if you have Perry and and Blake we do. If you want to learn how to eat all year round with plenty of food you need to talk to this lady right here. He's two miles to come up the dark MacI can give you a wealth of information. She's been doing the centuries been a teenager. And she says you can get all the food you need to the dead of winter. And this is all over the United States right. Pretty much. You pretty much see the expert. The Lord heard my prayer because as I was listening. Heart was on the being out of my chair. Because I was like a lot of you share this with them and so believe in Auckland I said if Linda said something to me. I'll get out. So when you started time like OK when I heard you basically is ever going to say it I have been since I was a teenager. For forty something years now. Teaching. Actually I started off as a hobby. Learning about Wild Animal Planet. And I started out some of you may know her name initially was Mary and are now. Anybody familiar with that name. And then she remarried and her name was Mary and Kramer. Anyway she's the one I had her book it's called at a ball while plan something it was in the past find a thing. And there's age of fifteen or sixteen I started studying on my own. This was my own personal hobby and never ever plan to share it with anyone because you know we used to talk about forty years ago about time which of when you prepared and. When you can't buy and sell and that's what from gave me the courage to do it. Well I moved to Huntsville Alabama in eighty one. Met my husband we started. You know we found we both love nature. And from that we started working with pathfinders and. I think we work with pacifying it for about ten years we became conscious Courtney's while we were conference coordinators. We were met the guys together. We had a group of about thirty Pathfinder counselors. We were teaching them about camping. Both my husband and I love the wilderness and outdoors encounters a we started talking to them about wild animal plants. And I went right outside of the science complex there. And I pick you out. And then stand in lines come over. Plantin. And we had thirty some people put it in a huge file. The only thing I add it was soft and credit to them they were so impressed with they saw me go pick it up and they were like How can we learn this this was a nine hundred ninety one thousand one hundred ninety two we had started what we called a wellness a viable camping program which was a for fans farm and in that program we just would invite people to go camping. And we went help them. And this was mostly Adventists initially. We would help them at Phase one we say you can bring whatever you want. Went out in that time face to you leave a few things I face three and four. It was no tent those sleep while sleeping bags were no chance they were sleeping under the canopy of the sky. We were adding Adam all plants in there but it got so. Being that we started doing edible plants. All by itself. When I first started doing this. Found out scientists said there were over three hundred thousand. Wild plants and a bone that we can eat. Ninety percent of that we can eat. And so when we found out that these were interest that this was a nine hundred ninety one and nine hundred ninety seven. We were Rangers and. What was a campground over five hundred acres a lot of glass that it was virgin. Wilderness. And so my nonna's I have the forward line. Triple because I can go out into the woods and just identify with all the books I had. Well recently. Unfortunately they saw that land and. My question to the lore was Laurent you put all this in my head. I have like three hundred votes on herbs and stuff and I actually told my husband I was going to burn. Because it was in my hand and you know seen the book was just my killing me because I didn't feel that I could share it with anyone anymore. And you know the Lord slowly began to just share with us I still have work for you and will you don't act. He took us. And we're still going it into the back woods. Of Tennessee. Up in the mountains. And we're teaching and I'm telling you preference. Preppers are coming to us and we're talking gun toting we see you know one time a truckload of ammunition these are serious. Preference. When they find now the knowledge that we have on Wild Animal Planet is a. You know they've got all the other stuff but they have no idea what to eat. And so they're coming to us and our primary to my house and I as my mall where are people. What are the advantages. This is something we need to know. And this school is free. Not only is a good for you this wild animal plant has more nutritional value than anything you can buy in a store. And I don't have a good for you it's medicinal. There's a plant that grows and it's there and when I say and I'm going to leave that alone block right that literally goes into the body. And look for normal sales and kills it. OK So we have the full we need it's free. We have the medicine when the it's free. But we have got to learn it and the last thing the lower the last thing but one of things. Recently was have teaching. We do seminars all over. Had a staging. And we like the art I missed. About believe it or not one thing was they do not that they only allow the elders in the Amish to learn this down if they don't tell it to everybody. And so this is something that is an avenue. That we have not touched harmony. But it's a lot of food there's plenty of food. Even this time I've been out here looking at food all over the ground in the trees. We just have to learn. THANK YOU would you be willing to share some way that people can get in contact if you. Well let me give you the website. But the best way to answer would be email. The email as outdoor education Outdoor a man give mix of his ass. OK. Website. It's not the W.W. outdoor dash. Dot org. I repeat again W W W dot. Outdoor. E.B. or email. I got nervous ears. You know my you know. Oh OK I got it all. All I say an octopus Dia's in Dong ears an elephant dot. W I can wilderness ass as in survival see as in county and G. mail thank you. Thank you. You liked her. The average American eats about two thousand pounds of food a year. A decent garden produce the pound the produce for square foot. You do the math. Figure out how big it airing in the need. And good friend of mine is one the leading. While they're both food for May cooks in the country. Studied under Linda Runnion. Who survived and supported her family. After all their food nearly froze in the can can root cellar. A New England and. She prayed about it. And Lord gave this thought to trees and. In addition to her wild animal food. Book. She. She wrote the book Eat the trees. So there is a lot of food out there. To be eaten and I'd recommend that the two thousand pounds per square foot two thousand pounds per year. One pound per square foot. Grown in the garden. You can see a little bit now that. One of the preparations for this time that's coming. Just change your diet. Change your diet to things that are actually more nutritional where the phytonutrient content is so high that you won't like the taste of it because we have been accustomed to a bland diet. For instance the. The Allman some almonds have a stronger. Almon taste. But that strong Allman tases vitamin B. seventeen a Magdalen the anti cancer. Vitamin. And so we don't like that strong. Taste. And that's the way it is with most of the foods we eat today. The strong taste in these foods are the increase in fido nutrients. So we really need to start practicing. Eating things that are wild. That have more of the wildness still and on just trying to think. Orientation wise of they take all this in. I think there's some. You have to question what is the priority and on a fledgling Gardner. But I've been a preacher for years. You know. Self-taught mainly. So the Word of God is where even comes from in the Word of God It's where everything goes back to right. And we were told the question I want to answer is your question what is the protein. Was losses devival it's out there. There's lots of preppers as the lady was talking about. You know. But what is there for already. It's survival. Our priority is not survive. You know right to take up your cross and follow me. But. But I think maybe this is what you meant I don't know but the question has been asked so I have to attempt an answer to the priority is that. For answer let me do something else. Look at the Bible. And the church was delivered into the wilderness. We're got to parrot a place for we can study in history what that actually meant. And what it meant was. They fled into wilderness areas. And through self-sufficiency learn the planet's fate. What's that self-sufficiency is part of faith because when you. It's a deceptive word self-sufficiency but it's of the English language and so we use of what it means is we're depending on God's system and God's way of learning. That's what Christian self-sufficiency is and so. Look at the Irish Celts or the wall dens Ians or look at what Israel was supposed to do when God led them out of Egypt. Into the wilderness and gave them a promise land. And you know each family was the have land right Each family was to learn to grow their food. The well then didn't have to learn the same lesson they had to learn in an ideal situations to grow food in an alpine climate. Sometimes very an idea right. But you can go there today and you can see the brilliance of that god talk that when you were talking about this brother about how when you get in a tight situation when you're willing to follow the Lord into a situation where you don't know what to do with the best that you A should be in right. Because then you get in your knees and say Lord help with a lot of people who are like this lady who has had the information. And we really don't ask that have to ask a question at all I try to be short here but we don't have to ask the question Can it be done for one thing you said I can do all things through Christ and for another thing. There are people who have been doing it for generations otherwise we wouldn't exist. They didn't have the system that we depend on. So it's a no brainer to ask can it be done of course it can be done. The human race would have gone extinct. Before this. Could it not be done. It's that we've been dumbed down to our society. We've bought the lie that. Well. If we buy into the system we'll have more time for evangelism. Right and that's what we all did. The toil and labor of the country living is too hard. We'll get our children to have degrees in college and they get a nice job suspectible jobs. And we bought the lie. And now as a people were literacy. As far as survival. The goddess. Is going to bring the nest The upon us to be able to survive again. So we can talk and I know the classes about growing food City and Times but why do we grow food for the End Times. And the answer is so that we give the three angels message for a period of time before the close of probation. So that's the priority and. God you think God knows what how to do that. Of course he does. So the information is ladies like this lady of the blast. The information is there for the network we can get it to one another but the priority is not to be preppers in the sense of the world has preppers but. So that we can subsist. Just a bread and water is all we need. And give the trenches message right. And learn by faith and be talk by the wilderness God wilderness and. I can assure you it can be done I've learned and alive. I'll finish this. I was a college professor in the academia. That we have chased after of the world in our major schools have done that we've gone after their model of academia. And I finally got fed up with it and I said I need to become the student. I moved to the country and I found the after reading the book education and. I was given twenty acres of land. Never built a new thing that could stand. When you know. And I asked the Lord how my going to build a house that all of money and he said. There's treasure in the woods. And a large so to show me how to use the woods to build my house and now. I stop all the trees down and put them back up and now the House you know. It's very simple but you do what you have to do in a situation the Lord teaches UN as long as you're willing to be learners. God already has the treasures. This lady and other people have the information. If we're brothers and sisters we can share. So to the priority is to give this range of message and to be self. Attendant. So that we can do so. We also need to realise that the three angels message is to come out of Babylon. What is this Babylon where to come out of. It's also besides what Stephen Haskell says in his book on Daniel the prophet which Sister White told him to write because he best understood data. That it was religion. It was an education. And we just sort of a little bit about that education. And it was a government we just listened to Mr Steve who is the editor for the Liberty magazine he came to visit our area up there. And the government. Is he considers the American government today. On par with the Gestapo. In not see Germany. And the K.G.B. in Russia. It is equal. On par with the same amount of strength. And it's using those those tactics now as particularly And right now this very moment in the West. People are too independent there and so there they are breaking them down. Attacking their homes and things like that which we hear nothing. Nothing about. And so God wants us to come out of Babylon that form of government that type of education that teaches us we can't provide for ourselves as well as his faults doctrine but another thing that we need to consider about coming out of Babylon this giving this three angels message is we have to demonstrate we believe in and come out. And so in order to do that when we see in Revelation eighteen. We see first in seventeen the kings of the earth in their control of the earth and we see that happen there in the imperialist rain here in the world as the European nations took over and carved up the planet for themselves. But then we see a shift. Now in poller in Revelation eighteen to the merchants of the earth you know how many how powerful Wal-Mart is is powerful more powerful than almost all the nations on earth. This is the merchants of the earth being spoken of. And so they have developed a system that we are so dependent upon for food shelter and clothing so this preparation that we're discussing here today. Is actually expands a little wider than just what. To grow. It's a. Preparation for our for our clothing supply. It's a preparation as we just saw here for our building. Needs. By the way the house he he built was straw bale and would post and beam structure. Cut off. Post means off his own property I built one on my property. Post and beam structure cut to the wood off my property in that mine isn't straw but he's out here where there's straw where there's Paris and wood country. And so I have rocks. I told you how rocky. I don't know if I mentioned how rocky my soil as I have to plant and rock so I don't to stone house. So this coming out of Babylon this giving the message has to be demonstrated by us first. This is why we're discussing. Preparation for the time when you can't buy or sell we have to show that we really believe this and we made the preparations and were there other more questions and answers. We talked about water you talked about when you kind of mentioned a little bit about seeds. So we are collecting seeds. How long will they was this. We can put him in storage. Some say ten years some say twenty years. What's the actual truth on that someone want to answer that. OK And what's your email or. Let me try to do it. It's. And then you do it. And I'll give you a charge that effects and how many years of what kind of seed and how is the U.C. marks I see in the R K H C I S E Y. Do you mean other. H E E. You not from Pennsylvania. So they all the nearly eighty eighty. I S e Y.. Had seen the other cause. I have two questions one missed. And what types are and righties as goods of plants that and. You have grown or that you know about that are good to go for the last days. And another thing it takes that you have learned about how to garden without fuel. Whether it's electricity far. Geisha in or. You know manual method. Whatever. Tips that you can share. And I'll share one that we've learnt is that. It's common knowledge but the Ellen White teaching method we planted trees this year. And we don't have a well yet where we are in a waiting line until they can come to our place. But we planted the trees and. You know very deep. Deeply loosened so everything. And we most them very well. And we had a drought in Oklahoma. This summer we do not get very much rain at all and the nurserymen and everything they really didn't think there are trees would survive and of course. We planted twenty eight trees in is just such a big investment. Do you know all these holes by hand in everything and. But they've got none of them died because of lack of water and there is a. I mean some of them are. You know quite tall. There are only planted this year. Much taller than me and. We only watered them. Maybe five times in this and that was not even. That was done before and after the drought. So during the chat. And that was with just need water that we hauled from our neighbor's place. So pays geyser his methods and then. Please share what things the brain. I'd like to add to that when you're planting perennials like this when they get their roots established. Down the bill go down and find the water. And they'll be prepared for the dry come. When the dry times come. So it's important to get out to the country it's not something you run out to and try to grow annual. To survive for a while. Perennials are very important it's a lifestyle God is calling is people to a lifestyle that demonstrates that they're not willing anymore. To be dependent upon the merchants of the earth. And the commodities that they provide for them. We read about that in Revelation eighteen the list of commodities I think is versus thirteen and fourteen. That are controlled. There so we want to make the preparation to being else here initially planting the perennials letting the roots going on dates and they're prepared another thing for seeds. Is we want to. And I said this before but I'll say it again. We want to get varieties that do well in our area. It's not a matter of. I like this for rioting. I want to plant that it tasted good when I bought it from the supermarket. It is what grows well in your area because they have adapted themselves to the climate. They can handle it you know. For instance bean plants. They will. When the sun gets too. Too hot instead of being down catching the sunlight they'll turn upward. If it's too hot for a corn lethal roll up. You know if a squash leaf. As it's too hot for the squash leaf it hangs down like an enclosed umbrella. You know these. These are adaptable characteristics that exist in varieties. And so if we want the genes to turned on for the most of for the greatest ability to survive. In our climate. Under whatever that climate will dish out. We need to be finding the varieties that too well where we are these are all ways of preparation. And of course the wild things that we. They do fantastic day they know how to just do it no matter what. More questions and for answers. Just answered your question. I have a growing yet but I've been interested in growing sorghum because there's no G.M.O. issue with it. And this year we had sugarcane sorghum in the head we rolled him on a great. And the colonel come off amazing that he's Lee and we're still trying to figure out how to thresh it. But we did and we painstakingly thresh the stuff we had we hadn't dried. Let me back up we had dried it. Before we tried to thrash it. So I think that might have been the problem. Why it didn't dress usually. No I should say. Yeah. We didn't drive. Before we threshed it and we had no problem for us in it but we had a hard time window in it. And so we painstakingly went out a little bit of it. And it's really good taste good you don't have to grind your anything we just cooked it like a circle on the side Bickersteth anyone else. Try that. And I think the question that I was that's how much then I would member you need to raise it with your family. I got the Pentateuch for thirty one. I have a friend of his why live in California. And they plan to do tell me the plan. And they can pay the least one hundred twenty tomatoes but plan ahead you want to buy that for. Yeah they had enough to eat in the south so they gave away my friend got a four bucks. BUT MAKE US and other people to you would be amazed how much food you can raise in a small drop. If it that way or prepare a way I had my first planting on Arkansas and I were from California. I had a lot of probably a hundred square feet. A very i Pad. Marilyn's I've got over three hundred melons. And none of our more and their feet skin pounds apiece. Huge. I get to my neighbors I get to the charge people I get to the friends. Either. The reason that I was able to raise. So well and in Arkansas so it is not a great for gardening us. They can tell because the labor not conceptual. I learn from my friends what they do with a garden. I'm small they put their Vidal's much. All fall apart hand the ground and is praying that turning on. And that's what I did I got Ha Ha Ha from the feed store and town. They are a lot of A. They had a lot of lose her bail so they just work of or Sept twenty thousand five and I asked them how hip I can buy it. He can have it all I need. But until you hold back I brought I mean I put it on the ground. I plan my developments. So it's amazing when you ask a lot the blessed and I want to measure this goes because one mentioning. I kneel down and I pray before I plant that God is able to bless. Thank you. OK. I had grown sort of more in your when I was in my twenty's but it's very labor intensive. I don't think I'd recommend that it's a very rich. Well we you know we we we grew it. Just cut it with a core knife and we put it through us or compressed. You know. Horse drawn sort of press and then. Then you have all the the flu. And then you have to. You have to build up. You have to build a fireplace. Get fire going. And then you have to boil it down forty to one. To get your storage room that takes all day long. You know. You know with big vats. You know. And then. And then we went put it. You know. Bottle and put it in bottles and we seldom health food store. Locally but it was a lot of labor. You're talking about the head. Oh I see. So the fellow who talked about sorghum before he was talking about grain sort them. And how good it tasted and how easy found it was to grow. OK Do we have more questions or answers to some of the questions that have been much for you. Both one and. I just want to say. Very thankful some of you have been in the soil health class. For those that have not. Well it is very good for me to know is what I found out is that all the was really important is do have a soil test done on your soil. Because I was there at this waxing old the soil is not as good as it used to be when God first created it. So. And all the labs do not do a good job. So the best place to do that is a Kinsey lab coat into the structure that's and you can buy down some information from them at the Cape High and city why. AG dot com. And they will not only do the proper job on testing your soil. But they will. They will tell you what you need to put on it so you don't have to figure out all those chemicals and minerals and things that it is very complicated. So if you get your soil right it's going to resist disease is going to be very fruitful. And you will need less space to farm in and garden. I just like to address that thought about getting the soil test and finding out what you need. That's that. I've done for years and did do soil testing myself and put the amendments in. But a new way of preparing the soil without having to buy and then. It's is developing and you know anything there's nothing new under the sun so it's really not new. DR ELAINE Ingram a microbiologist from Oregon State. Was studying the microbes that produce the fertilizers that feed the plant and was learning about them such that she could teach farmers. How not to have to buy any fertilizers and to be able to grow crops that were so healthy that there was no sickness. To those crops Well of course. She didn't last long in the university and so she went out her own inside an international company teaching farmers all over the world how to adjust their soil with composting compost tea to increase the microbes that fertilize the soil. She's now president of Rodale. And to answer my own question that I asked initially who fertilized the prairie's in the forests and all these lands. This was all done microbial the. You see God has designed microbes. To fertilize a plant. And at the plant has to be genetically designed and not adjusted by selecting seeds that has grown on chemicals. Fertilizers that have been provided for generations because that seed will adapt to those chemical fertilizers and will no longer be. Have its genes turned on for fertilizing not fertilizing but feeding the microbes in the soil. That will provide for it the fertilizers that it needs. And so one of the things with saving your own seed is you are adjusting them to your soil and. You're adjusting them to feed the microbes that are in your soil. That will feed the fertilizer. To the plants now. This is not new Sister White talked about using microbes at the turn of the century. F.H. chain. Wrote in his book. Farmers of forty. Centuries. He was a an agronomist from the University of Wisconsin and the visit it China Korea and Japan in one thousand nine hundred six and wrote this book in one thousand nine hundred eight farmers of forty centuries. Telling about how the Orientals use microbes. To do all the for chill at the that they needed in their soil. There is a baby book. That just came out just. I saw it this summer and the acres us a bookstore. And it was entitled The Way to ultra low cost. Agriculture. And this has put out by the president of a forty thousand farmer. Organization in Korea. And what he does is he teaches the Koreans to go back to the old ways of farming to grow all their own microbes. Grow their microbes. To fertilize the plant. Grow their microbes. To fertilize the leaves of the plant in other words they use them for problems that develop. On the plant itself. And they you just add to spray on these or poor on the microbial things that you that you batches of things that you make of so. The way that the God's fertility. Has been through the centuries is all microbial. And when we attempt to adjust the soil to what we think is best. With our fertilization programs. How can we improve upon God's program. Were we can get better and better at it matter of fact we can get so good that we're better than what's being produced in the supermarket. But is that god's way to first tell it to be is demonstrated how to fertilize. And that is through the microbes that are in the soil. And the repeat again. The most important thing for these microbes in the soil to produce all the fertility. That the plant needs is you must have a plant that will feed them. For instance. The. Hi Mo ing. Organic seed. I think is from Mont was road up in there how. When you use organic seed that organic speed. That they have has been generation after generation hopefully it has a few generations under its belt. Has been feeding these microbes in the soil. That provide them. The nitrogen that they need. The algae in the soil and the bacteria in the soil that. Take the nitrogen out of the air you have thirty five thousand pounds of nitrogen. Over every square foot of soil the air is what seventy percent seventy eight percent nitrogen. And so there's no shortage of nitrogen but it's a very important element for crop growth. And so you must have a plant. That takes its energy and gives it into the soil. Now the epigenetic switches. Have to be on for it to do that but if you are buying seed and using seed. That has come from crops that have been raise with nitrogen fertilizers and that could even mean manures. You have turned off those which is because they don't need to feed those microbes that provide them nitrogen. Free because you have always been hauling the manure in or hauling the petrochemical nitrogen fertilizer in. And so they flicked off the switches. So when you have these sort of an exceeding especially if it has a few generations. Being organic. It has the switch is turned on to feed the algae and the. Nitrogen. Fixing bacteria in the soil. So this is some of the preparations. We need is to have crops that grow. Well not just an adaptation to the climate that we have. But to feeding the microbes in the soil. The energy because they manufacture energy taking sunlight and they make the energy that these microbes. Need because the bacteria is in the soil can't manufacture. Carbohydrates and so the plants produce the carbohydrates to feed all the planet Earth. Every living thing and so they need to be able to be feeding them. And so that's a system that you want to be a stablish ing in your own garden you want to be backing off of the fertilizers that you're using to grow your crops you may be organic and thinking. That's the way it should be. But in a pristine environment. There are no water soluble fertilisers. It's like. The only water soluble fertiliser that exists in a pristine environment is the manure. And the yearn from the animals. But God's design is that the dung beetle will take an elephant. Pile. And within two hours have it all buried away. As food for the for the young. Dung beetles and which And then when it exudes things into the soil that's food for other critters that exude things into the soil down to the smallish which feeds the plants. So we want to win ourself. Off of all the fertilizers that we are using and see be selecting seed. Every year. That does the best. In our garden. Because each year we're going to be changing our seed. Because only. There's a myth that we've almost all accepted. And that is that. I'll have to use this word because we're familiar with it that evolution takes a long period of time. Evolution is a rapid very very rapid changes are rapid. For instance a cockroach. When it goes into a lava tube within three generations will stop producing eyes. The epigenetics which will turn off. They do not need it. How long does it take a cockroach to reproduce. Let's say two weeks. Let's say a month. Three generations. Six months. It's not producing eyes. That's rapid change. Evolution is rapid microbes with a life span of twenty minutes. How many generations of that take one hour. For changes to occur. Elaine Ingham says that when your soil it's to sell teaches the farmers when you learn to make the compost or apply the compost teas to your soil. Within three days she will change the whole microbial situation. Over in your soil. And they can begin to start feeding the plant. What it needs. So these things are rapid. This is not slow stuff that we say well you know Sunday. You know we just don't have the time Jesus is coming soon. No these are things we should be out there doing and they do occur. Rapidly. So we need to consider the very seeds themselves. Being adapted not only to climate. But to our soil. And the microbes in the soil that they begin to be feeding them so we've got to back off our fertility. Back off and back off and at the same time keep every year selecting the seed that do best as we back off. Because they are much better adapted. And then keep replanting and changing them. And these things are fast even for trees I was very surprised this year. Bob Jorgen heads and headaches suggest that if we want someone to told him. A peach grow that if we want. Fruit trees. Free from disease which is what Sister White said God's people were to do she says and commentary seven A on the Vedic is twenty five that we would to teach the world how to grow fruit. Free from disease that if we select. We grow the seed of our trees. Of the peaches I selected some peach seed that grew well. And did well others did very poorly that there wasn't good sugar content to and. They had different problems. The brown rot was was bad and quite bad in some and these had the the best. Characterise I took all the seed put it out then I planted. The next year one year later only took one year from putting the seat in the ground in August after eight the beaches. They come up again and then that September or October. One year later I dig him up and I planted out about seventy five. And so. Three growing seasons later. I have forty of them produce fruit. And that surprised me. All forty of those peaches had better brown rot resistance than the approximately thirty. Varieties of nursery. Stock. Peaches I had bought that quick. It changes and two of the trees had almost no. Brown rot. So we can we need to be through seed selection finding the best quality. And we can quickly. Start changing things. You know I I Bob had suggested that. Cornell will give you free grape starts and I was growing different grapes. And so I contacted them for Black Rock resistant greats whose black rod is the worst scourge on grapes from the prairie is to the Atlantic. And they say well you can't grow a crop without having to spray because of the Black Rock. And so they'll give you twenty five sticks. And you can if you're doing experimentation and so I asked for and then I'll log I only got eight that were blacked out resistant I said How come. This is the scourge of the grapes why aren't there many is that we spray. Everything. Anyway. They don't know what has disease resistance. None of the universities. None of the nursery companies. Know what has disease resistant. They are not checking for it. They are spraying. Anyway. It's up to us to grow. These things without brains. Whether organic sprays or chemical sprays to find disease resistance. And then we'll have plants that grow. Free from disease. And then we have to teach the world. We're told in commentary seven A on the Vedic is twenty five so this is something to bear in mind for see does anyone have any questions. This minute. I had a question about what you mention but first I just wanted to share a couple things maybe these are obvious. But as far as a source of starch. Or grains and we've been growing some red corn that we got from Bob Jorgensen that grows very well in Oklahoma. And it's very easy to go net no bugs get it have we spray there anything. We have not spare us not to eat corn it's just a feel corny can guide them for corn meal. I haven't cooked it yet because we've been saving it for speed. But we're been going out just to practice not enough rest to really live off of. But has anyone gotten that and been anyone know what kind it is. It's a red. Field going from bad joints Baba told me he thinks it was bloody butcher. And it was they got it from the Indians in the area. And he brought it to the University of North Carolina had it tested for protein content it was five times higher than normal. So this is what the old grange. Have they have money or protein and plenty of other nutrients to I just remember the five times. The protein but there was a lot of other high levels of nutrients in this corn. They're ready for the I think. And then and also the potatoes and better not wash their Not a grain but they have a lot of starch. And I know the Madison school they in the early days ate a lot of butternut squash and anyway they survived on squash over the winter though. If you don't have a grain like rice or wheat or whatever you could grow. But into some kind of squash winter squash in the potatoes or potatoes. And then for. Of course not tree take a long time to grow but peanuts and sons are seized can be grown. There in the Old so. And also purple peas and something at least in our area. Southeast Oklahoma that grows extremely well very easily. The first source of a purple hole. He's. They're not. They're not the same as Black Eyed Peas. They're very delicious and purple. H U L L P's they're similar to back at the. And you can. You can pick them. Green and in cook them after you sell them or you can just and now keep producing a lot or you can just let them dry out on the vines and then and. Anyway my question about what you mentioned. There was about feeding and fertilizing in Manoora. If you come postman new or down into the everything Ethan break that down and then feed it is that at the. I'm not sure of all the technical things but is that feeding the microbes there is so that switch that you're talking about goes on. Or is that the same it's just the laning going to give you enough information to know that for instance you tells us a if it's a tomato grow at the. IF YOU WANT TO ratio about one to six. Bacterial to fungal but she doesn't let on. You have to go buy into the food web information then they will give you the information and what these ratios are and how to make the compost. For your different specific crops. Because what they do when they balance the soil. For these crops with the compost and the microbial populations. The plants outgrow the weeds. So it's it's because we'd. Most soils are such that they're designed specifically for weed growth. So she alters the microbial population so they become designed for the particular crop that you're growing. Now. The last person up here just told us about how at Madison they had a lot of squash. That that was something they could go through the winter on. I just wanted to bring to your attention something I learned recently. Seeds of Change. I think one of the starters was Alan Kapoor. And he was a researcher P.H.D. researcher in free. Amino acids. And what he learned through I went and asked. Requested his research papers and he sent them to me. But we think that many plants are not. So if it does do not have enough protein and I'm so we have to go eat our grain and beans if we want to get enough protein. That's not so at all we can not use protein. Right. We can only use the amino acids that protein is broken down into in the measurement of plants for what's in them. All we have measured up until the one nine hundred ninety S. was the protein content. And which case we figured that is where we get our amino acid. It wasn't considered until then that there are free. Amino acids that the plant is loaded with free. Amino acids. I had a friend of mine. She's And Andy her husband's an N.D.A. but her husband grew up in a village in Papa one New Guinea. And so he would say. I just want. Fruits and vegetables and roots. Because I grew up on that. And she say you can't get your protein She's an American. You know. And she's been brainwashed you've got to get your protein and he's saying. I donated. And he's strong he worked his way through medical school and construction. So he's not a weakling. So he can't sell under this when she found out that there were free amino acids that finally answered the question for her. How could her husband be getting all the protein you need in the whole village getting all the protein a when they're not getting their grain and being. The squashes. The medicine a through the wintertime. The sweet potatoes. The. Even the white potatoes which they say is so low in protein. Now I'm not saying there aren't white potatoes that are so low in protein. There are there are ones that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole grown in Wisconsin. My sons work there and when they grow those potatoes. There. The they. They were visiting their friend who was a farmer there. And they all know. When the planes fly over to spray the potatoes you run. Get your car out of there because that those chemicals will even eat the paint on your car. This is the way they grow these potatoes so I'm not saying there aren't potatoes with no hardly any protein in him and hardly anything else in into. I'm just saying. The potato when grown. Naturally in a natural environment where the microbes are being fed by the potato. Will produce a normal amount of protein plenty of protein I remember first hearing about a lady whose diet. Was she had show many problems it's the only thing she was really subsisting on was potatoes as are main staple food the rest was just fruits and vegetables and she'd been that way year and a half months and how can that date. Well that was finally answered Years later when I came to realize that there are free amino acids. But it's interesting that tests are that research. Never was spread about. I think it has something to do with the meat and milk and history. One thing to keep be able to think they can't get enough protein and listen to use meat and milk. So changes in our diet are very important. And understanding how to grow the plant. So these changes in our diet can occur and we can be nice and healthy. I mean eating. But when our. Here with the food. See things. Ten to fifteen years ago when we got a Becker to see. I said yeah. Tomato. Three years ago when they get that all kinds of to see not timidity they didn't get that sense that people in years ago. Fifteen thirteen fourteen and humid to talk to three and. I can to Hope Arkansas. We plan to yell and see it they're all different colors in the Brandywine the Black same all the stuff that seed in the eye and pepper tile. I put in a paper towels is dry and. I didn't even and I pecked it dry up. I didn't even take care of Barry well. But it's when the real you. We travel it and we move around we've been through Pennsylvania. And then California. With a nine year. Come back and I see and this year plan to see that feed those people made I had that can survive. And then the garden. We had my husband didn't want to put any chemical nothing what he did all the malts on the tree all the all the. Lots of tree under the tree all the most keep bringing the put in our garden. This is the garden this was something started so heavy. I have gone to grow. God has blessed us. So much. This is so big so big I can even pick him even if my husband had the role of a girl and is so heavy. If you have a right. Right nutrients. They can give and. This is. I don't know this. Not the brother and I this is so big and as good flavor. It's just I don't remember the name but even with the folks in everywhere. To cover their own. What the IED on the grass green grass and plant. Have all the plants have a process in charge of pork in need and if an elephant can still be can they eating other than just trees and plants. We can survive and thrive and at the beginning God had and didn't give us me to protein. Have a food is and not sin of the seven who did this to you in fact I know you don't. Thank you very much. It's three forty five and our time is up. I hope this has been helpful. And give you some things to think about. And some things to do. Let's close with prayer. Lord. You're the only one that can guide us in these changes changes in diet things that are better for us the more changes in the way we grow things. Lauren. You know and understand your design. Obviously. But Lord. We need to ask you what we should be doing so Lord please help us to ask you before we do anything. Where we should be and how to proceed in Jesus' name we pray. Came in this media was brought to you by audio person. A website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio. And much more. If you would like to know more about audio verse. Or you would like to listen to more service leave with. W W W dot. Audio verse. Dot org.


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