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Adventist Recovery Ministries and the 12-Steps as a Tool for Wholeness

Katia Reinert MSN CRNP


Adventist Recovery Ministries was developed by the North American Division and General Conference to equip church leaders, health professionals or lay members to assist individuals who are struggling with addictions or any unhealthy compulsive behavior. This seminar will describe the ministry, its resources, and explore how health professionals can include it in a practice setting or other settings to bring wholeness and recovery in Christ to people experiencing brokenness in their lives.


1. Demonstrate why effective Christian-based addictive recovery programs are needed today

2. Identify the steps necessary to establish a Christian-based addictive recovery program

3. Discuss how to find and utilize excellent Christian friendly resources for a variety of unhealthy compulsive behaviors


Katia Reinert MSN CRNP

Katia Reinert is currently the Health Ministry Director for the Adventist church in the North American Division.


  • October 28, 2016
    3:15 PM
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Three Heavenly Father. We are just so grateful for the opportunity to serve the opportunity to know you and for all the wonderful things we're learning in this conference ways that we can better minister both in our practices but also as health ministry. Professionals that can gauge in the local church and reach out to those that are around us with your love and with the message of hope that we have to share. So as we deserve to know spend some time to think about particularly those that are broken and insulate by many addictions and and behaviors that are on unhealthy and that are damaging we ask your spirit to guide our thoughts and everything that we say and do simply honor you in May you give insight to those that are here in very practical ways you can share and use disinformation. So your name can be honored in many can find hope and find you. As we minister to them in Jesus. We pray. So I just bring you greetings for on for our team at the General Conference health ministries and as Phil said everyone would love to be here. Firstly I'm the lucky one. And they cannot be here but I was very blessed and I am very sorry that I will miss a couple of days but I've been blessed to be here. You know that as a church. Our main object of particularly the next five years is to continue reaching the world and this is part of the strategic plan that comes all the way from our president all the Wilson down to all the levels at the local church and every member being involved. And so this that we're going to be talking about next is one of the ways that we can reach out that we can be able to hopefully help those that are hurting. I was when I. As an ID as director of this ministry call admin as recovery ministries I would receive very often e-mails such as this one. I'm struggling I am a struggling out of minister with sex addiction. And I do not cheat or have many girlfriends I only date one girl we've been dating from two thousand and seven to now and we've decided to stop having sex because we're not married. We want to do it right after marriage but the problem is that if I spend more time not having sex. I start to lust and watch porn. I seriously need help. This is somebody that could be in your church sitting next to you maybe a young person who is struggling in needs help another one. My son is addicted to meth and herion I can't believe I just wrote that seeing it in print is so hurtful I was raised to some of the administers but have since married in no longer ten my son needs godly help to scape is evil and I thought of the administration. When I was thinking of cool to turn to in a time of crisis. Here's someone who is no longer with us. But still think that maybe we have something to offer that we could help her son and here another case High find it hard to get help with my addiction I am an admin as in There is not really help in my church. I also seem like they don't understand. I wish your service and this is elsewhere in the world in London because I need someone out of innocent truly understand my addictions in difficulty going going through there is any possibility you can help in other words I mean these are just a few of the many many emails that representing the many people even within our church are members people we see perhaps on a daily basis that we don't know what they're struggling with. You know as admin is. Many times we have the tendency to post this perfect mask that just shows are the good things we are doing and how good we are and all we believe but many times people don't feel safe to share the real struggles and how you know many times they are hooked to issues and I'm not just talking about them. I'm talking about us because all of us. There are issues in our life that got wants to help us work through so that we can overcome the sin. And be able to experience a more abundant life. So we can serve better as well. So this ministry came out as a way to really be a way to help people not only within our church but of course of the many around us that need to find that healing need to find a safe place to be able to open up to share their struggles in to find the help in Christ to be able to overcome that with his help so many times. Unfortunately what they find when you know we get those e-mails is this they're asking for help. They're lost they're drowning. And we as I said are very well here you know the church is doing well we are having our sunlight vitamin D. We are healthy and we don't see in there. We don't understand the experience of those that are drowning. And we say well I don't know how to go there somebody will. So they say you know I'm sorry I can't help you. That's not a spiritual HIV gift I have Well I'm encouraged today because you're here. That means that you either already kind of know how to swim over here or you're eager to learn how to do it and I will tell you most of the places there we've been talking about this ministry most people are still here trying to learn how to swim. Because it is a difficult place I know I've met somebody yesterday who is already doing a lot of sway me trying to reach out in a prison ministry. You know with this message of recovery. But this is I don't need to tell you it's a big issue drug addiction this is a report that came out looking all the developed countries in the world and is discussing health indicators that actually are linked to economic development and in all this countries and I don't know you cannot see it because it's very small here but all the main developed countries in the world are listed here. They're saying people are giving. Longer. On average eleven years on this report and this is another report that actually looks between one thousand nine hundred seventy in two thousand and thirteen and you can see the life expectancy from all this countries has been pretty much you know in many places about from eighty three all the way down. Of course in some countries here fifty sixty all but from all of them. It's much higher than it used to be in we realize that that's a good thing. However the bad news is that people are living with chronic illnesses and so when you look at non-medical determinants of health. They come up with four top things and you would guess what they are. If you look at them all of them actually could be related to addictions tobacco consumption of all of those is the top one alcohol consumption. We also see fruit and vegetable consumption of all adults the lack off there is linked to the chronic health problems and also obesity which both in adults and in children is a major concern now not all the issues related to obesity are related to addiction but there are a lot of them that could be related to that or to other issues that are linked to behaviors addictive behaviors like trauma. You know many of you. My been familiar with a studies looking at adverse childhood experiences and how those traumatic events are linked to obesity and many other things. So it's much more complex than just you know what people eat and whether or not they exercise when it comes to be city but there are many factors that also could be related to trauma into potential addiction co-existing with that. So looking at this is a big problem if we want to reach out to the world. And you want to be relevant. It's important that we have a message that can help people overcome these issues and so this ministry as I said came out as a way for us to try to do that now I will keep some of this data because most of you here know about. Does issue and have rates. What I wanted to point out is the link there we often do very well on treating the top or even previous teaching prevention on the top ten killers of the global sphere here and that's part of a school disease cancer stroke and you know you're familiar with this top list here. And if I was to say OK what is linked to this deaths you would say well there are many risk factors. Perhaps as we just saw on the those Ford that we listed. You know tobacco alcohol and many other kinds of drug use or substance abuse. We also see many other things like sexual behaviors that could be linked to things like pornography or who are many partners and we also see other things that are related to like infectious diseases or motor vehicle accidents but many of these risk factors are linked to addictions. Now we often as professionals or even in health ministries were very good at coming and doing health promotion programs and you know teaching about the ways people can change their lifestyle and perhaps you know exercise more and eat a better diet. Maybe we talk about tobacco use and the importance of quit some of these behaviors and of course as a church we believe that temperance is a big part of what we believe is important but many times we fail to go deeper to find out what are the root causes of this behaviors. And as I was just telling you now you know there was a case of a lady who came to a cooking class. She wanted to lose weight. She was obese. And she's worked very hard on this. She would lose a couple pounds it will gain it back. It will lose a couple pounds or gain it back in after going for weeks at this. Leader. Or of the of the class came in had a talk with hers what's going on. She said I really can't lose it. I don't I don't think I can do this and after talking and spending time I did her over to their home and had a more relaxed environment. She shared that the reason why for her was very hard to change it was again she had been raped as a child by her father stepfather. And ever since then she used food as a way to feel better about herself but also to you know protect herself so the weight the obesity was actually a way for her to be unattractive to others who potentially could be perpetrators of abuse and so there was this very deep psychological aspect of why she had difficulty with the obesity and with the food that it actually turned out to be a food addiction that she had and any was much more complicated than simply say all you need to eat fruits and vegetables and you know lose weight and start exercising. And unless of course the nice thing about the stories that eventually. There was a lot of that happened to help her find healing for some of the deep needed. She had and she was able to allow God to help her through that process and she lost weight she actually became an Adventist in the. You know God really transformed her life but oftentimes we miss the root causes of why people are using the drugs are eating in a certain way. Are you know having some of these behaviors the risk factors. And these are some examples of them. It could be stress it could be issues related to look poor self-worth. Issues related to lack of purpose of. Meaning hopelessness despair in last we are able to do what Jesus did because this is what he was an expert at. Is to get down to the root causes. We are not able to really truly help people overcome the addictions and the issues and so you know I did. Sions are not the more than ways that people find to try to numb their pain or to find purpose or to find feel better about themselves and it's often a compulsive. Use of psychoactive materials in response to this is stressors or does experiences in life. And many times is hard for us to understand unless we spend time in we really deal with these things it could be a person it could be a substance it could be an event. It could be anything that the person can use just you know substance we do think about alcohol and drugs as Usually that's what comes to our mind when we talk about dictions. But you know now we see there are many process addictions. And many other things that maybe we here are doing. We're not smoking. We're not using drugs but maybe we have a tendency to be critical. Maybe we're codependent maybe you know there are all kinds of things we're all workaholics for ministry right. But that's OK because it's ministry. We don't have the balance that we could have and so there are many things that need to to be looked at an addiction is not the problem. Oftentimes is what's behind it the scars that people carry that need to be dealt with and then the addiction issue can be resolved through Christ. So again us having this background is helpful for us to understand people that are struggling and they're going through this as I said to you is not just substance use there are many other forms of addictions that people. I have and this is just an example of many of the other things that perhaps are accepted by some like sports or work or use of the Internet. But all these things actually are used by the enemy to slave us right. And so we see intemperance coming in every way and we see appetites being stimulated to all for all those things. In the beautiful news is that there is only one that can come and set us free. And I love this tax. They are the talks about Jesus coming in healing the broken hearted. But this threat lation specially amplified version says to proclaim liberty to the physical and the spiritual captives in the opening of the prison. And of the ice to those who are bound in this is what the people that are struggling with the actions feel like feel they feel bound. In we are bound to sin because of our sinful nature in crisis. The only one who can help us. So with administering the ministries we bring Christ to the picture to the centerpiece. In Him is where there is hope. And so this program was developed several years ago by somebody called Paul Gates. I don't know how many of you have are familiar with how few of you in the program used to be covered generations so he came from a background of having been an alcoholic finding freedom in Christ using the twelve steps but he wanted to bring Christ to the center and so he developed a resource where Christ became at the center of this and over the years the Church of the General Conference as well as North America the vision. Of previous couple of previous leaders in a de house ministries were very supportive and this was taught in everything over the years when I was coming into any five six years ago this was just. Recently have become a minister of the church an official minister of the church. The name was changed to Adam's recovery ministries and we developed new resources material to be used by people at the local church and he became part of the structure of the church. So now any leader of House ministries at the division Union conference and local church can also be a leader of admin is recovering ministries and here in fact Dr Lorraine Barton is here she is the Pacific Union House ministries and recovery ministries leader for those who don't know her you will hear her she'll talk a little bit at the end but so this ministry now is over the last five years or so has been getting more momentum to grow and to help churches and health professionals like ourselves here be able to use it. Both at the clinical practice or also at a local church setting and the focus is to bring Christ as the center of the help for people who are struggling in the mission of the ministries to promote healing and recovery from any harmful practice is not just substance abuse as I said is any process addictions and it is to open up groups that can allow people to come in and talk about their vulnerability their struggle. Without fear of being judged. Without fears of being talked about you know there's confidentiality that goes on in we use the twelve steps followed with the comparison of the book steps to Christ. And you can see here. You know the biblical concepts and Bible passages that come along as well as the principles the Christian principles that guide and if you look at this principles is nothing but the journey of you know all of us is the journey of sin if occasion is about surrendering the things that people can't for themselves. Change is about confessing and repentance. Of those behaviors then need to be leggo and they need to be dealt with reconciliation and restoration their relationships oftentimes they need to be restored or people that need to be talked to in terms of asking for forgiveness or extending forgiveness and also continued growth in and sharing in serving once those are the last steps. Once the person has been already in this journey to recovery and there are many differences between this program and twelve regular twelve step program for one. Crisis at the center. But secondly unlike twelve step programs out there. We don't believe that only those that have had an addictive past can be a leader. We believe that anyone can be a facilitator. So if those of you were here and you're interested but you haven't you know used hardcore drugs or alcohol and you know if you were out there you would need to have gone through some of that hardship in order to be able to lead a group not so with admin is recovery ministries or else Jesus Himself can lead a group. So what we do ask though is that we need to be able to be open and find something we're struggling with so that when the meeting comes in. People are sharing as a leader you will share too so nobody is better than anyone. You're not there to tell people or do therapy to people or tell them what to do necessarily you're there to be supportive to understand and then there is the resource that everybody falls. There's a facilitator guide for the leader to facilitate the meetings these are weekly meetings. And there is a participant guide where people take home. One of the materials and then they have readings Bible readings steps to Christ and other readings that they do they also have goals. Journaling that they do during the week and then the next meeting when they come there is more she. That happens. Let me ask how many of you have attended twelve step or before anyone here. Oh I'm glad to see at least half of you have if you haven't. If you're considering doing this in leading this group I would strongly recommend that you do find a meeting where you are and you see say if you can visit in you know there are open meetings that are possible that you could come and observe but you could also find perhaps a meeting that's happening at a local church. So you can have that experience and for those of you who have been. Maybe for your own good or for perhaps a family member if it's an all in on me I don't know I think most of you will agree that it's a very warm place to be. Where you feel accepted. I was talking to somebody yesterday and they're saying me you know I sometimes go to actually I wish he was here I mean he was his new here is Danny he was telling me you know oftentimes I go to stuff the twelve step meetings I get there and I see all these other avenues they're in you know and that just tells you that there are needs and people are going somewhere and if we could have this in our church would that be much better linking this to the god can give us the source of healing. So there are newsletters that you can access on the website the absent site is admin is recovery. Orgy. And. Currently pastor a Nelson is the editor and there are articles or testimonies of people that go through recovery and he covers step every time there are several languages. It's translated into French Spanish English and Russian actually also. And this is the website and as I said the journey to homeowners is the materials that are used. So as I said you have materials that tell you everything you need to do in the meeting it guides you through a one hour meeting which is usually what's recommended in as a facilitator. You can just really prepare based on that and for those of you have attending meetings you know it's very simple people share. They say what they're struggling with. People are not there to give them counsel they just say well thank you for sharing or they may share something as well but it's really the focus is on each person that goes talking about what their struggles are and in our meetings we can at the end of prayer weekend add different things that can be helpful as we talk about how you know God is the source and there's all that information in the facilitator guide and people that go through the training can learn more of that one of the resources that having produces the unhooked D.V.D. series. This is a ten. D.V.D.'s that cover about thirty different stories off people who have struggled with all kinds of issues from being to you know pornography gambling all kinds of types of addictions you can think of process and substance abuse addictions and. This tells their story and then you have the experts that talk about treatment and potential ways to help this person and then you can see the end of the story and how God has helped that person. So these are real people some of them are from our churches others in our hospitals places that they work at the church. And you can see how God has changed their lives. It's call on hooked. I think I have a trailer here. Part of my life my green. I was a mean drunk. One is not enough so the new to two is not enough because you see you become always and if I did not care for what you little you have to go to see changes when you're older and I just wanted to be happy and I things I don't like losing and you know I have lost this is not the person my mother raised me it's the disease. Everyone has some seriously drastic had to change and so this became a series that was out in April two thousand and thirteen at the Hope channel and it's available freely for access online but there is also a D.V.D. that can be purchased and could be used both for awareness at the local church or also you know as part of the meetings different ways and you know it's another resource that is available. So another difference between admin as recovery ministries. And maybe a twelve step meeting. That's the secular. Is that times people that look at this twelve step meetings from a secular perspective say you know. Do people ever become free. Are they are addicted to the twelve step meetings. And there is a concern among many. Me. That you know maybe they substituted their addiction for the twelve step meetings and why is it that they have to attend if they don't attend you know they feel insecure and all that. Of course as from our perspective. Knowing God and His power. We believe that people can five freedom for their habits. The issue though is that we are not any haven't yet we're still sinners. So while Christ is working in us. We're still in a journey and we haven't arrived yet every If you have maybe. You know you are in a different level that most of us who are dependent on God daily It doesn't mean that we go and do all the things they're used to be before we know him but he means that we need his power unless we have his part on a daily basis. We are wretched right. We are like Well Paul says what I want to do I can't and you know they have the struggle. So what we do in the twelve step recovery Ministries is to provide a structure for people who have you know this big struggle and we talk about through the twelve steps they can see the journey and of growing in their character with God and instead of saying Hi I am I am a codependent. Him in maybe there is this issue. I'm dealing with I may say I am catch I have had an issue with codependency but today I have Christ in he has he's my power and he's the one who is helping me through this trouble. You know. So instead of saying I am an alcoholic which bothers many people see there have been drinkin twenty years. Why are they still an alcoholic. But they recognize they have that tendency in this is whether it. Thinking about their size without Christ I'm an alcoholic. But you know so people mangers and sells differently at the meetings and they may say today. I have found victory in Christ. So for today. I'm hooked from alcohol. Now they recognize that tomorrow if they drink one drink they may go back to their life. So it's that constant dependence on God That's what comes you know out in the meetings where they know that in order to be free and find victory. They have to be connected to Christ. Right. So this is a ministry there can be done as I said at the by a local church in the local church on a weekly basis and. You know we see different models happening. We see churches they use this as a Sabbath school class we see churches they use this as a meeting for community somewhere we see places where they're doing this. By at a school and they're doing this at a practice doctor's practice. You know it can be done anywhere. Many of you who are ready perhaps I don't know if you're from mental health perspective you may be doing a twelve step meeting in your work. You know where you where you practice in this is another option where you could have this as another type of meeting that people can come to so the county jail could refer people to your meetings. You know because this is a twelve step meeting you could actually. Sign up with the county. So they can refer people to you. So there are many ways they can be used. We normally do say if people have a specific struggle Cesa sex addiction or narcotic addiction. While they are coming to the recovery Ministries is this is a general one. There are people there from all kinds of issues we still recommend. People to go to their specific meetings as well because there they can also hear specific things about their own struggle that they're having so they can attend both so it's a compliment in those cases because as I said it's an open meeting that anybody can attend in so it may be helpful for him to continue with that specific group meeting. But it's certainly open to just about anyone. And I you know I just wanted to share with you about the resource this is not a training per se in order for you to start. You have to go to a training program. We did have a training program here and a Pacific Union some years ago and this is a picture of the group that attended. We've had training straw the unions in North America. But we are now in the process of providing material so more people can be trainers and this can be duplicated much more rapidly and people can get equipped to do this much more rapidly certainly if you have had experience with twelve step leading to off steps is much easier. In Certainly you will get this resource and they will be much easier for you to use there. There are some differences as I mentioned to you than a regular twelve step meeting and if you think about the many people there could be help as I said I met. I forget your name. I'm so sorry. Susan Wright and she has been doing a beautiful ministry with the churches. I mean with the prison prisons in the Sacramento area. And is a great resource to that can share experiences but certainly there are many opportunities for us to use this ministry in I pray there will be able to have more people interested in leading out because there are many are searching for answers and Diskin has been certainly you know there is scientific. Evan. The shows the tough steps are helpful to help people with substance abuse but certainly when to bring crisis the center there is no have evidence in terms of scientific evidence yet but certainly for other kinds of faiths when they bring Christ or the center they have found much more success in terms of helping people stay you know free from from the addiction so I believe that this will continue to be a blessing. Now are there any specific questions that you may have a good question. Yes. So one of the things that I planned is a training online is not ready yet. Any but is in the plans so that people can access this from you know anywhere. Certainly there is the element on our trainings of a lot of sherry in experience that the people that come to the trainee go through it themselves particularly if they haven't had experience with twelve step so bed one o one. It's hard to convey on an online training. And I don't know those of you some of you may might have been with us during trainee It's a powerful experience to hear people stories to. You know go through emotional heli lectures and find out you know answers to our own struggles and to find healing doing the training we find there a lot of people find healing through the training to so that's why I personally I think that it's not the same even when we have them available mine is not going to be the same as being in person at the local trainee but it is in the plans. Yeah I have a question there in a back room. Yes yes yes. Yes yes yes yes yes. Yeah and they they want to right I mean they're they're not there as an expert. They're there. As someone who will facilitate you know and will share also if there are specific issues that need to be there. You know dealt with what we're doing the training is to help them understand those and then refer people like you said very importantly many of them need therapy. So you know the facilitator will build a list of places that they can refer to people to certainly in our website. We have a list that people can click any state in North America or in Canada. There are names of people Christian counselors they can be referred to. There's a few that we've worked with where we directly refer people to when they need counselling as well so that peace is there in terms of referral. But the facilitator is not there as a professional. It's not in fact we don't want it to be we we want them to be there to understand to provide a healing environment allow people to share pray for each other and you know build that kind of thing and then refer people as needed. Exactly. Yeah yeah. So that's why I was saying earlier in terms of the person who is leading facilitating they're not really the expert. They are part of the group. So they share as everybody else shares and they're just there to kind of keep the. You know they know what is happening that evening and they will kind of keep the conversation moving. Just making sure to be the contact person at the local church you know for for setting up to me and everything but they are part of the group. So in a way that's that's how easy it works with the recovery ministries that we're talking about versus you know the twelve step outside. Yes the and the the and the and the. No it is beneficial in the sense that you know everybody would have of course their struggles they can bond together. You know with a support to a mentor who has been already at this longer there are people there people that come in new they may come in new any time and so as even though this is the facility the guide covers one step every month so for meetings talking about that one step in the second month is another step and another so it's a curriculum for the whole year. If you will and so that maybe people that are coming in the meetings are happening and talking about. Step three. You know particularly the reading that week but then the person that's new will work with a mentor in a group and they will start out from step one. And do their calling outside the meetings you know that support the prayer. That's happening so it's kind of like creating a one on one a buddy system that can actually be a prayer but you know a friend that can actually support you along the way. And so that's where you know they will connect with anyone in the group. Regardless of what issues they're struggling with but again as I said earlier if they have a specific issue that's a big one. We recommend them to also go to their. Particular issue say sex aholic anonymous or not. Katic anonymous or whatever it maybe this is more of an environment for for providing a safe place and understanding place a welcoming place for them to feel part of a family. If you will that makes this the focus is the way this is the group goes on. So it's a weekly do most of the record here is the old now. Not necessarily they may but they are welcome to stay so they will start again. Yeah there's never a time or yeah it's a yes the same way. Yeah. So people coming in first time will be then linked to sponsors or mentors that will been as I was saying you know called him make sure that you know how they're doing pray with them and an offer that support system more A one A one. Yeah yeah. Any other questions. Yes I'm going to try to stop some yes me here. Yeah but with the new me yes I have been talking about for stop smoking word for this for this we do so as I said there are trainings that happen in different new unions and places. If you are how many of you here from Pacific Union area. Most of you your you are so I'm going to have Dr Barton is going to come up and talk about training in this area specifically at the end after his to some more questions but so the. As of you who are here you can find that out through her but there's also if you have questions specifically from other regions beyond the Pacific Union here and you want to know about you know what's happening in your place be it and or you know another conference. You can connect with your health ministry leader there at the conference level or the union level or you can also if you e-mail me I am going to make some cards here for people that you know may have questions. I can connect you with the division leader Dr N.G. David who is the new White House ministries and recovery ministers leader for North America. And the she can then you know help you connect with your local leader and tell you when training will be done. I'm speaking primarily from a general conference global perspective where we're doing trainings for the divisions around the world now in we're preparing the materials that it will be used for train the trainer training leaders to do training locally. So this ministry in a way is starting out continue to grow. But there's a lot of room and we're open to suggestions of things that will be helpful or for those of you who will be doing this at the local church. Yes yes yes yes this is this was the so that's a very good question. So what we're creating with this ministry. Is that the people who. Come will not be strangers. They will be the people that are there to help each other grow. They will be the prayer partners they will be the supporting system that oftentimes is lacking in our churches where people don't have that person to talk to they can be a prayer partner that can be trusted. So there's a lot of kind of you know if you will rules for the group confidentiality being one. What's said there stays there. You know there are many other kinds of things that happen to protect the privacy of those that come in and there really becomes. What I mean this in the early Christian church was back when you know we started out right after Christ left and the disciples were starting a web groups would meet in the homes and they were pray for each other and they would help each other they would you know support each other in their struggles in you know they would be not judging each other. Necessarily but really helping each other grow and the more you hear any you know the spirits of people that are struggling. Today we have in our church people that are struggling with smoking. Nobody knows but they are they don't know but they they are afraid to speak because they were going to be misjudged you know. And so if they have somebody to come to understands and that is able to help and help them. That's what we're talking about you know not just with big things like smoking but with other things too but certainly you're so right and this is why it is right. He has to be in a trustee retirement's someone that can truly understand in help and pray and you know be a support system for the person. It's not for everyone. Of course there are people there rather just keep it but well we find many times when people are afraid in you know they don't want to share because they're afraid they're going to be misinterpreted or criticized in they keep struggling with those addictions. And that is a hindering a lot. The growth and so forth. So they're not identified by the temptation itself. Aha So OK yeah I see. Yes So that goes back to also talking about earlier the way you introduce yourself in a group. I guess is what you're getting at. Instead of saying I am a soak homosexual or I've been struggling with homosexuality. You know they can say something whatever they choose by the way there's not a once you have to introduce yourself in this way. There's not that people feel comfortable. Introducing the sounds that they wish they may just say their name and say I don't know what have I've had had his struggles with same sex attraction. But I've found recovering Christ and I'm you know finding strength for for my my struggle. Whatever it is that they want to say instead of you know they could avoid talking about the temptation but they also can recognize what is in their character that they're looking to change. You know without being afraid of sharing that because if we were not I think afraid of sharing what our deep struggles we would have more people praying for us. You know could help us along the way and also you know they would be willing to share too. And we could be more real. Walk together helping each other in this hospital that's the church right. There is one good thought that I like to say when we are real and we talk about our struggles like that all other people that are struggling can also identify and we might be able to help them because we're a little further in the journey. And at the same time somebody else who is a little bit further in their journey may be able to help us. So it's kind of like we are this chain in the church helping each other go through the struggles in praying for each other and you know looking for Christ to help us along the way. So that's the idea. Lorraine and then. Oh yeah OK All right. I'll talk about that just a minute and see if you have a question that Yasser very good question and this is true not just with recovery ministries by the way it's true with many other health programs that we do right in the church setting. We have to take the hat off in the part of the group and so you're right in terms of expectations people may think Oh they are there you know and they know and they may ask questions and I think from the beginning what we do and people learn this in the trainee they learn to introduce who they are in their role. In to say you know I'm here as part of the group I'm just you know facilitate we're not going to be necessary if there are questions we're going to look for the answers together. If their issues are going to help each other together it's all about the group is not about one person answering questions one person you know doing. For us although they may at the end say you know if you need help. This is where you need to go in and act as a resource person but not necessarily at the meeting. So we go through some of that in the training to help people who come from a background of being a counselor having had experience with addictions you know having all that kind of background to be able to relate more equally in the group and avoid you know certain kinds of things. But you're right I mean some things you cannot avoid and you just have to kind of said OK let me talk a little bit briefly. I will have to leave to go to take my plane but Arthur Barton is going to talk about training Pacific and before she does that I just want to talk about this pornography resource we are working currently on a online. Confidential kind of resource to help people with pornography addiction. And this is been a work in partnership with Dr Kemp argument I don't know how many of you know Kenneth partment He's a psychologist very well known nationally internationally for bringing spirituality into you know the psychological psychology field and we've worked with him and with other people that have been reviewed the materials and made some adjustments to fit into our faith our beliefs. To make sure there's nothing in the materials because he's coming from a Jewish perspective. Although his you know I'm in a faith to make sure there's nothing in there that goes against our theology in any way but this should be available. We're hoping next year. So at this point it will be sessions online people can go to and you know there will be a gateway for them to reconnect with faith. Again many of them may be agnostics many of them may not have faith. Many of them might have been Christians who are now few shamed and. Because of their you know sin of pornography addiction and now maybe start to look into faith again God as an option. You know. So it's a gateway. That's the purpose of the resource is not going to be something that will transform them to be an advantage. But it will be certainly a gateway to open up. The opportunity for us to go further and they can then connect with recovery ministries if they with other kinds of resources. So we're excited about that. Dr Parkman has done a research on this and has used this in different pilot studies and has found great help for the people that have been using it. So they've asked us to partner on that if we were willing and in there should be something available not just for North America but others that speak English as well and is not meant just for admin is for our community of Christians but is open to anyone who we hope God will bring in that can find more resources and connect with other help. So that's the pornography addiction resource any other questions. Let me just say I brought here a couple of resources if you want to come back at the at the end of the lecture we are almost done here. This is our newsletter that we have for General Conference health ministries if you want to be connected with what's happening with the Health Minister around the world and get resources in information such as when the progress addiction will be out or you know when other kinds of resources are out. Please stop by and pick up one of these you can sign up for it also and receive it every two months. You go to Health Ministries dot com and it's free. You can subscribe the other thing that I have here is a resource that we've compiled in North America now it's available globally. Which is a booklet that you can use in your practice or in your church to introduce what we believe about health to people that don't know us people in the public. So it's called admin It's unhealthy leaving. He has ten different things that summarizes what we believe about health care as familiar with this. Comedian of us as worked on that together and I brought a few here for those of you who haven't seen it. Perhaps you can pick it up and have a couple in French to speak French. But these are available for anybody who wants to print. It's available on the website as well. Can be used or you can add your logo in the back if you're from a church or postural practice that you want to share but this is something that can introduce to the general public who we are in what we believe in terms of health. Sure. In fact let me share here. This is the can you see. This online. This is the resource and I'm talking about by the way we have a Facebook page you can like our page on Facebook look for Advantage health ministries there. This is the website Health Ministers dot com. And that is the newsletter that was tell you about you can go and sign up and. Also for the recovery ministries admin as recovery ministries the website is admin as recovery dot org. OK So that is how you can engage with us through the recovery ministries in the the website here this is the Web site as well as recovery dot org In there is a newsletter as I mentioned to you. So you could can sign up for the newsletter right here in that you is a specifically to recovery ministries. OK And there are other resources you find here you find when the next trainings are and who are the leaders in your region. So you can contact them and there are many other resources like the counseling if you want to know a counselor Christian counselor in your region you can go to the resources there. There is also rehab places if you need to set forward somebody for an in-house. It was then show program. There are a listing of several that are available throughout the country and we hope that this can be a helpful resource for us to be able to do more to help not only those I'm in our churches but also reach out to this media was brought to you by audio verse a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse. If you would like to listen to more service leader visit W.W.W.. Audio verse or.


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