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06- Isaiah: Playing God

Mark Howard Kameron DeVasher
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  • January 26, 2021
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I'm Karen division and I'm Mark Howard and this is talking points this week we are in quarter one of 2021 talk about Isaiah and we are in less than 6 lesson intitled playing God. If you just caught our little introduction comments there there is least by our kill a good 15 chapters of information here that we're going to cover and there's no way we can squeeze out everything out of them but in a reflection on this Mark what are some talking points that we're going to be looking at this week in our contribution to this lesson well. As we introduce is we introduce the lesson again in the introduction we're actually not following the introduction in the last night there wasn't some of the lessons I felt don't really introduce the lesson they give little stories that might go with the lesson interestingly enough we've had a lot of people comment in general not us but on Facebook and other places to say wow this quarter there love this quarterly and this is serious things about it that people are just really not yes is fairly is that's right and so the interest or but so far is reduction actually I could take it or leave it but it certainly is not the big rock and what we're leaving it really her introduction on just some of the relevance of the book of Isaiah we touched on some of that before and then our talking points are as follows Our 1st talking point is that Isaiah 14 reveals the great controversy and will unfold as we go through and we've drawn that from Sunday through Wednesday so think of all of this weeks after Sabbath introduction Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday all is under this 1st talking point and this is a 1st our next 2 talking points are both drawn from the same day you're getting crazy there is less of Thursday's lesson Talking point number 2 is that God's discipline is redemptive I should say that actually it kind of comes from Thursday's lesson. But it's not anywhere in the quarterly it's in the reading of Scripture for us so I mentioned it you know some point you might draw out of the scripture that the courtly didn't bring out and then so that took point over to God's discipline is redemptive and then finally point number 3 a remnant shout return These are talking points drawn from passages that are highlighted also and there's a. Pretty simple structure this time but we're so I mean I want to say that again sometimes when I say it's drawing from Thursday's lesson that doesn't mean that you're going to read about it in the quarterly necessarily but maybe it's maybe just some of the passages that are highlighted for example Thursday goes through Isaiah 2427 which is supposed to be the thing because this is the of the libel suit. It's a guide to get us into the Bible and that's our goal today well before we dig into the Word of God Of course we need to begin with the word prayer so let's start by our heads Heavenly Father thank You for this opportunity you've given us to study the Word of God thank You that you've given us this word and Lord now we ask that you also send us the Holy Spirit help us to be led as you promised into all truth by his sustaining power we are asking for wisdom and we trust that you will give it to us in full measure without withholding so Lord give us the mind of Christ to know the Word of God For prayed in Jesus' name amen amen Ok let's talk about that over our king introduction Welcome to the story but what's the big picture context Well the interest the thing that grabbed me in this week's lesson and we've talked about this is especially when we started with Isaiah 13 the prophecy in Isaiah 13 is so not only compelling but there's something that happens in the book of Isaiah Isaiah Bland's what we call classical prophecy with apocalyptic prophecy classical prophecy is typically understood as what is local and literal the prophet saw it had to do with his day his time the what's going on then. Yes Whereas apocalyptic prophecy has to do with what's typically symbolic and universal they may have like for example the kingdom of Babylon was a literal kingdom but you come to the New Testament book of Revelation and Babylon now is a symbol because it didn't exist then as a kingdom is a symbol for a universal power of evil at the end of time Yes Ok So is it kind of blends those things and one of the things in Isaiah 13 is it talks about the fall of literal Babylon talks about the conquest by the means. And it talks about it 750 years before Christ knows when we get into the Book of Daniel Daniel was written 600 b.c. And you heard the flow of kingdoms in Daniel and were like wow 600 b.c. before it happened God foretold it well this is even earlier and the same pattern so this is like a prelude to Danielle 2 and you know we talk about this in our little precession meeting here that oftentimes we will talk about every good Bible study happens but prophecy study or revelation camping will start we didn't have to do Babylon me to Persia Greece and Rome and then we'll tie it eventually to other prophecies Daniel in the Book of Revelation and it's so clear and so strong that sometimes even our entrenched members might forget it there is or we could give the impression that the only place that those sequence of kingdoms is outlined is Daniel 2 in Revelation when the reality is. Jesus in the New Testament you know the Apostle Paul not only Daniel and Revelation and judge all of these people are working off the same template and so when we see here in Isaiah Chapter 13 we talk about the rise of the fall of Babylon in the meads it seems like oh that's kind of a different thing than you know it's still sort of that same over or King So you have you have a sequence of kingdoms and then just a phenomenal like. When this was written Babylon was nothing Yes and it talks about Babylon is the glory of kings him so before Babylon became a thing the Bible saying. It's going to become great and then it's going to be conquered by the media to again or nobody so before any of it ever happened following that same. Flow of Rise and Fall of kingdoms but again way before they ever were thing gone for told it so that's powerful in and of it's absolutely it's the same reason we look at you know the great controversy when a white 1st wrote about the United States in America prophecies world superpower now we leave it like yeah we're the Yeah back then is said to be crazy you know and so here he's writing and yes Babylon existed but it was not the battle all that the world knew as this great conquering and it's fascinating and then of course the idea again of the blending of the classical and the apocalyptic we know that Babylon is a key player at the end of time but it's not the literal kingdom of Babylon c.c. imagery throughout like in in Isaiah 13 it talks about the day of the Lord coming well in the context of David Lord's the day of judgment on literal Babylon right but then in that the language then moves on to say in that day of the Lord there's going to be. Signs in the heavens verse 10 the stars of heaven not in the constellations won't give you like the sun will be darkened the moon will not cause its light to shine those pictures are picked up in the Book of Joel as well as in the books of Matthew Mark Luke in Jesus Himself 2nd coming Well I'm sick in Isaiah 13 you not only have the sun the moon the stars and the yelling in the heavens but also before that you have in verse 8 about how people be afraid pains and sorrows will take hold of the mill in pain as a woman in childbirth and these are the very same you know what are the odds that Jesus Himself when you talk about in Time Events what it liken it to like birth paying that he would talk about the sun moon and stars the sun to the end in so clearly as it has a local application but just as clearly and there is this more universal global in time as I hope ration what is too well and then Chapter 13 is about the fall of Babylon and you come to the 3 angels messages in the battle of battle his ball and him alone is fall and yes. And it's not a literal kingdom so there he is full of rich lessons and we talked about this how a lot of people they study Revelation they say I don't get revelation but they've never read some of the I know some folks are like I don't even read the Old Testament it's full of yes the substance that revelation that will basically revelation is tying together all of these themes that were established a long ago anyway so that all introductory comment that's right so what is our let's give us a leading into that just with that that you would expect that because of the blending of the local and literal and the spirit the symbolic and universal that Isaiah would reveal what is happening in this great contest between good and evil and that's our 1st talking point here 14 reveals the great controversy part of that we draw from a question that comes in the lesson there on Tuesday it says the 1st big How question theirs is how could I say a 141214 apply to a king of Babylon or the building on that because the language of Isaiah 14 says how you were fallen from heaven to Lucifer son of the morning how you were cut down the ground it said or a center and it talks about this exaltation of Lucifer that some day have in store for Mill your way this is like all this is the this is the fall of Lucifer in heaven before as his initial fall when he he get lifted up in his heart a cetera and so again our lesson is asking how could this apply to a king of Babylon What's ironic is as I read in other commentaries and what have you know yet in history they said how could this talk about anybody else how could how why did the Latin Vulgate Why did the Church Fathers translate this term. For a girl you know like it's like Lucifer comes from Hebrew or hail which is it means shining one and so is talking about the king of Babylon in the context talks about the Shining One and it talks about the son of the morning how is this referring to the devil and so that was their quest. And as you brought out that word he lay all which means shining one in this passage in this passage alone is used in the Hebrew as a proper noun Yes So speaking of an individual that applies this to and early church fathers said this applies to Lucifer before his fall and this gives it a back story exactly as yet another contribution to the big picture over our King story of the entire Scripture and not just the local application to the kings of Babylon in the meat's who would come after what because here we have the behind the scene oh there's a few passage in Scripture you think of Revelation Chapter 12 you think of Isaiah Chapter 12 Chapter 28 but pull back from but the main players on the earth and show the behind the scenes picture of the fall doing so for and this is one of those key passages and I don't know how far you want me to get into that but basically that this is the underpinnings of the entire great controversy motif that all of Bible history and prophecy is trying to draw our minds to it all in one of the reasons for that one of the reasons is important is you know the lesson it does say on in its introduction on Saturday afternoon that. Other things this week will look at the origin of pride and self exaltation right and you know we're looking at the Babylonian King in the fall of Babylon and the pride of the kings of Babylon but where did that come from where did it originate and so this is why the Bible goes back to Lucifer and it talks about him wanting to exalt himself into the place of God Well really even the language there. Doesn't seem to fit we said oh Babylonian kings wanted to be gods but when you look at the language it seems to speak to something beyond that far back and then you go to the companion passage the given is e.q. all very clearly the speaks of a being who is a covering chair of being right that was still your crew from your created and there are talks about the king of tires of the king about so what it's doing is giving a behind the scenes as to the spirit that led to rebellion I haven't are now. It's here that when Interesting enough Babylon was a city that was founded that was built on the ruins of the tower of fable it's the same word in the Hebrew in Bay what was a tower that was built to basically get to heaven without God Well interesting left the very 1st mention of the word be able to actually comes in Genesis Chapter 10 as it's tied to the man Nimrod if as a verse a kushti get Nimrod he began to be a mighty one on the earth in verse 10 of that same passage and the beginning of his kingdom was a bagel right and then Chapter 11 talks about the Tower be able they will exalt themselves and go against the will of God in the judgment of God Well this is the spirit of Satan that has any right his greatness and he's going to start his own kingdom here you see it on the earth and this literal earthly Babylon which most notably nebby condensor was the head of remember he was on this palace Chapter 4 of Daniel is this not great Babel that I have prayed for my own good well it's that same spirit from Lucifer it was in its very broad and it was not between those are and no wonder when we get to the Book of Revelation Babylon is this is a symbolic representation of all that is self exulting and God denying it and you know what it is it's a perfect symbol for the powers that will be arrayed in putting our nose which are available in our Michigan s.s. pm dot org website on the resources page the Lord through his prophet is revealing how pride and self exultation so common among fallen humanity these kings and us originated with Lucifer and is at the heart of sin and rebellion is trying to give us that introduction and then of course the judgment is brought upon Babylon and just as God brought judgment upon literal Babylon God pledges that he this one who we can the nations. Now speaking you know in in these days it was while the battle of message a mighty empire and now they're broken down and never rebuilt but it throws it goes forward it gives us a view forward to Lucifer who call. The nation still like the devil and we talk about all those temptations are so strong and here the Bible says Are you the one who we can the nations who's giving us a glimpse forward to the fall of spiritual Babylon which is the kingdom the found kingdom of the devil at the end of time in the last day scenario So yes so yes I was a very Veals the great controversy by outlining this original fall of Lucifer from heaven and the resulting You know parallel here on the earth with Babylon and its leaders and the spirit of rebellion that its rise it's. Ok and if time permitted I mean you get into the last contest over the law of God mercy why does a person not want to obey the law with it when you call it's rebellion you know where's your 1000000000 start pride so this is at the heart of the whole issue right right again that's one of those that's one of those completely legitimate streams you could spend an entire lesson in the controversy and the babble and parallels but let's move on to our 2nd talking point about God's discipline what well in the lesson spend several days on that and then we can but there is the u.k. and in Thursday a reading of the lesson the lesson on Thursday is is is touching on these final chapters of Isaiah Chapter 24 to 27 and this verse really jumped out at me in reading verse 26 in light of all these judgments because I have gotten feedback from people who are you know oh I don't like reading this because it's always about judgments and judgments are always bad and negative and what have you in the minds of many people and so it's interesting with what I was in this is in chapter 26 verses 9 in 10. With my soul I have desired you in the night yes by My Spirit within me I will seek you early for when your judgment speaking to God when your judgments are in the earth the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness let Grace be shown to the wicked yet he will not learn righteousness so there's a contrast in thought here. And it goes on to say in the land of up right now as he will deal unjustly and will not behold the majesty of the Lord so the man shown grace the wicked man show him the grace of God isn't doesn't typically respond in this is so counter intuitive I don't even know how to say it the general theme in the church to the mind set is just talk about the love of God and people will be converted and I don't want to take away from that the love of God does milk hearts and what have you but I say is making the point here that too often when Grace is shown it doesn't move people like judgments do and this is what Scripture is telling us in fact government makes a great comment on this he says The truth is general in this is in our notes that though we could people are favored with success in their enterprises yet the effect will not be to lead them to the ways of virtue in religion how often is this illustrated in the conduct of wicked people how often do they show when a rolling in wealth or when surrounded with the comforts of the domestic circle. That they feel no need of the friendship of God and that their heart has no response of gratitude to make for all his mercies Hence the necessity of according to the language of this passage. That God should take away their property remove their friends or destroy their health in order that they may be brought to honor Him So God brings judgments to save and it says to do this is benevolence in God for whatever is needful to bring the sinner to the love of God into the ways of virtue is kindness to his soul we may look at judgment and say oh it's so mean and so cruel of God But if that saves a person for eternity in the paradise of God it was in that not the most loving thing he could do well you think of in Revelation Chapter 3 when God speaks directly to the Laodicean church he says those whom I love I rebuke indiscipline somehow we've gotten this notion that God is making things challenging or putting up some sort of obstacle or making a difficulty life is a punishment is punitive and therefore he is aggrieved and angry or we need to appease when the reality is actually supposed to be received as a blessing to point out some throat that we need to do. We need to have in our lives you know I'm thinking of. It's in the Gospel of John and let me look it up real quick I had this just a moment ago are you looking that up and says the those I love I rebuke unchastened Yeah that's exactly it. Well isn't the gospel you know to make sure I get the right quote here. When Jesus is speaking about the vine of the branches John Chapter 15 you know very famously and the truth and in my father's vine dresser but the very next verse in verse 2 says every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away so clearly there is going to be a destruction of those who bear no fruit then it says and every branch that bears fruit he what proves that may bear more fruit and let's just be very clear pruning a branch means cutting off the dead spots right now you put a spiritual application to that what does it mean for God to cut off the dead spots in my experience when it doesn't sound pleasant It doesn't sound pleasant at all and you can think when but I'm not I'm bearing fruit and everything's Ok so I should be just receiving the blessings of God Well maybe he wants even more growth and maybe the Lord's disciplinary process because the reality is we just from a human perspective but I am still a sinner that's right I have still have weak spots in my character I've got depths of my growth that need to be plumbed in the Lord sees that and we shouldn't look at his discipline as. Mean well I'm going to say that most of our viewers would be like Ok the probably Ok with this part until we superimpose it on local church discipline and we don't have time to go back and dust it off what was left of me is a local many of our churches don't even do disciplinary action because it's always perceived as mean and unloving cruel and and it can appear so at the time you're going to remove somebody from membership from the church which incidentally is by the way kind of discipline yet exactly goes to extreme form right but there's if you learned to turn it into the church and soaring that sin sort means they can't speak but the sin sure which is to basically public reprimand for the purpose of redemption that's right you say like look why don't you step out of office for a while and don't be that savvy. Don't be the elder for this time period but review your past review what you don't know walk with God a little bit more and bring forth fruit even as you put it some people are like oh that sounds so mean and it's hard for us to see the merciful end in the judgments of God and this is why. When it comes to scripture it's not how I feel about it or how I perceive it it's what God says in the passage here is clear that the judgments of God will often do more than the grace shown the wicked because of the nature of our heart element but yet this way in Him Peter will want to go ahead and pictures and prophets preach for 7 he speaks to this very issue which says God speaks to his people in blessings bestowed and when these are not appreciated he speaks to them in blessings removed so notice that they are both blessings from God given or taken away but I still his communication why they may be led to see their sins and return to Him with all their heart that's right so he can bless you in a positive way and also bless you in removing something but it still for the ultimate end of drawing you call the answer and making more like Jesus or talking point is God's discipline is redemptive in that 1st point dwells on how the judgments of God Our Nischelle need to save but then that leads me to ask the question back to lesson asked the question does God destroy if God is trying to save them why would he ever destroy anybody with judgments Well you know famously think of 2nd Peter chapter 2 This comes to my mind every time we deal with this in this verse 9 is what everybody knows and it's a beautiful passage where he writes where he says the Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some code slackness but is long suffering towards us not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance if it just stop right there is a well the Lord's will is that no one will ever perish and everybody will repeat it which of course is what he wants but then verse 10 comes along but the day of the Lord will come as of the for the night and goes on to Talk of the mystery of the wicked so the Lord is both local You want to see them or he doesn't want to perish Why does the day of Lord come right so why would this guy who wants everybody to repay it. Somehow cut off the time limit and call time's up well there's more to God's plan of redemption than merely just prolonging and prolonging the prolonging given chance or chance or if because it's some point people will make a chance that is an Ultrabook you look at Lucifer we talk about the fall from heaven there came a point you can read about this in the earlier chapters of the beginning of paychecks and prophets and other parts of her writings where there was this long time period of the law she says the Lord bore long with Lucifer right but at some point he got to that got to the point in his experience where the Lord knew that even if you were to give him his put back in his place I think if you're one of those most dangerous I think that's one of the most misunderstood things about the nature of sin is that it will put you in a place where you would not ever desire to repent again and you would highlight on that where does about this with the revelation of the trumpets and this is the plagues when you look at the 7 churches for instance and the call is always repeat repeat repeat it you look at the 7 trumpets and there's the means a really rough looking picture but the purpose is for the people to repent when you do the 7 less plagues this is after the close of probation right this is after this an opportunity for fitness nobody saw it that exactly what it says and they did not repent and it lead to the idea oh well they had a chance and they still weren't in a no the 7 last plagues don't just they're not a door of opportunity for people to come in one less time it's a demonstration of the character that even if there were a door they wouldn't come back that's what it shows to the onlooking universe that how God dealt with them was just unfair and it's right that cause saying they didn't repent is simply saying that given the opportunity at that point they never would exactly right and so. So then again with the final destruction the wicked I think it's important to understand the final destruction of weak it is Mercy is in mercy to the saved the honest thing about well that person and take Church discipline again well what were we said. Person a church we got to think about saving and what about the people in the church about being a fake other people who are influenced by that you know there are people in God forbid I say that I guess but even in we've had incidents in our own schools in our own universities where a professor is going in to do this and I have had people say but he's our brother and we need to we need to bear along with him what about all of our children who are glared out of the church because of that so there is much as when discipline isn't carried out in one instance it affects more than one person and so Ellen Weiss makes a fascinating statement in the last events $241.00 it says the police may be made that a loving father would not see his children suffering the punishment of God by fire while he had the power to relieve them and I've heard this argument the sharply different version doesn't ever destroy he's not a destroyer he might be passive you might allow it but he's not in it right you know saying but she goes on but God would so the plea may be made a loving father wouldn't see his children suffering as a but God would for the good of his subjects' and their safety. Punish the transgressor because in punishment he's saving one group in the punishment of the other God does not work on the planet me and he can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man no would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him but God around the vast world law would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons in law but God would do it in strict justice so God as you mentioned there works on a plan because he is Isaiah who would also speak about how God's ways are higher than are with no us are higher he sees the in from the beginning he knows the impact that you're not doing discipline it's going to do so for the good of his whole entire universe he has most merciful and just and in the end everyone will say just untrue are your ways and let's be clear God is never never delights in the destruct. The wicked but he will do it for the sake of saving his you know I 1st of all the wicked and when they've gone to a point beyond where they won't be reclaimed then he'll do it for the sake of those who have chosen to serve it well let's talk about those who have chosen as movement you're talking point to praise the lord it's not just all judgment and destruction but in the midst of this intertwined is this other theme that a remnant shall return that's right so Isaiah was instructed to name his 1st son show you are yes through which means a remnant will return and so there is this constant you know that was like the child was in a sermon while he was he was all the time constant message to the people of God that God wanted to save them a remnant shall return and it's interesting because it just is reflective of the whole book of Isaiah is intertwined with these promises of deliverance in between all the judgments so we have the passage starting with $24.00 bit but we're looking let's just look at a few parts of that $26104.00 wanted to read that sure says in the end that day this song will be sung at the end of Judah we have a strong city God will appoint salvation for walls and full works open the gates of the righteous nation which keeps the truth may enter in you will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you because he trusts in you trust in the Lord forever for and ya the Lord is everlasting strength so got a point salvation he's going to open the gates and he's going to bring it you know all this promise of redemption and then you come to verse 19 it says you're dead still it together with minded body day shall arise Awake and Sing you who dwell in the dust for your do is like the dew of the earth shall cast out the dead so here's the resurrection that you did this is not Isaiah day this is what I soared to this final end of sin and now in chapter 27 verse one it says in that day the Lord with his severe so sword great and strong will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent leviathan that twisted serpent he will slay the reptile that is in the sea and of course. That's another to you it goes through all the graph where you are going to have the drag of the devil himself so to talk about the destruction of Satan in the last day yet in that context in verses 4 and 5 of the same passage yet he says fury is not in me who would set briers and thorns against me in battle I would go through them I would burn them together in other words the Lord says if you're going to fight against me I'm going to break through it but he says or let him take hold of my strength that he may make peace with me and he shall not he might he shall so there's a promise here you can fight against me you're not going to win but if you want to take hold of my strength even if you don't feel strong enough to make peace with me then you will make peace with me I'll give you my strength and I'll give you that blessing and bring you know it sort of in us into after 25 verse 9 in the midst of all these because our memory verse for the right we have this wonderful passage and it will be said in that day behold this is our God we have waited for him and he will save us this is the Lord we have waited for him we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation and that's just a sampling of all of these wonderful promises throughout the book of Isaiah in the midst of the judgments that God is looking to save right is not all of whom is gloom but the whole point is to bring out a remnant and save everything God is doing is for the salvation of humanity beautiful No I appreciate the contributor of these lessons every week at the end putting the summary statement said and I want to close with this today says Isaiah saw the following in Syria Babylon of course we're talking about the literal Babylon in the historical context here would call her Judah but he also saw that in spite of superhuman rulers of the darkness of this world working through God's human in a means and presuming to play God that the Lord would decisively prevail and bring per turn all peace to our troubled planet so yes we're going to study the literal Babylon in Judah and Assyrian these kings but the goal is to see the broader picture of the great controversy and how the Lord. Has in his mind the redemption of his people who live praise the Lord for that Pastor Howard can you give us a word of prayer as well over a Father in heaven we are so thankful for the testimony of scripture and more and we're thankful for your blessings be stowed and Lord for your blessings removed if that's what it takes to draw us back to yourself ultimately we pray that we would be in your kingdom and all of those in our circle of influence would be there as well and we pray for our viewers we want them to be enriched by these lessons in such a way that we would be more effective they would be more effective in reaching the souls around them and one day very soon being among that group that says Hello this is our God we have waited for him and he will save us Father thank you for hearing and answering this prayer for we prayed in the name of Jesus and for instance.

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