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01 Strawberries

John Dysinger

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John Dysinger

Bountiful Blessings Farm

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  • January 13, 2021
    3:15 PM
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It's exciting to talk about strawberries but also a little daunting because there's so much that could and should be said. I was just counting up I guess where we're anticipating our 23rd strawberry crop this spring we started in the so we planted our 1st crop in the fall of 1998 so it's been but the thing I like to remind people of you know they think wow you've been farming for 23 years that's crazy you must know everything but actually you know how many repetitions of something does it take to master it more than $23.00 so if you think about that way we've only had $23.00 springs we've only had $23.00 shots growing strawberries and there's still a lot of mistakes that we make and we're still learning a lot. But before we get going here I wanted to take a poll of the audience here and I'm suspecting that most of you are home gardeners are just beginning to look at strawberries but let's just see how many of well let's ask it this way how many of you are growing commercially or interested in growing commercially Ok Well we have a few one day Yeah well you've got to start somewhere Ok and that means the rest of you how many Well let's ask this how many of you have grown strawberries before Ok well that's good that's looks like most of you but why are you here then. It's not as easy as you thought. You know. We used to do you pick in the early years and people would drive up to the farm and get a card just breathe and deep inside this is the life. I'd give anything to be able to do this and I'm thinking in my mind actually I'm not sure you would give anything to do this because you know you don't know about the nights we spent from protecting the challenges we had with deer and all of that so everybody loves strawberries when the sun is shining in the birds are singing in the freshness of spring is in the air but they have no idea what goes into bringing that fruit to maturity so I think Barry would agree with me and saying you need to count the cost before you dive in strawberries are not an easy crop to grow in fact I would say they're probably one of the more difficult crops to grow there's just many things that can go wrong with them so not to discourage you and we will try to bring it down to a level a home gardener can can understand. But hey you know you've got to start somewhere and so we're going to the nice thing about Barry and I doing this together is that we have where he's from Minnesota I'm from Tennessee have 2 very different climates we have 2 very different growing strategies and that's what this chart here I apologize for if I'm in the way of anybody I got to stand somewhere close to this so. Berry is growing with the matted roast system that's the way everybody used to grow stop berries back in Mrs White's day fact just that interesting tidbit I'm convinced strawberries remiss is White's favorite fruit. Because if you read all she had to say about agriculture she mentioned strawberries often and were never were ever they moved they were always planting strawberries so. We're in good company if we like strawberries. In James White wrote a booklet I call it I think it's 40 some pages on small fruit growing and talks a lot in there. E.g. white Apple I think right you can yeah. So anyway let's let's just look at the differences here the pros and cons so so Barry does a matted row we do plastic culture and again very different systems and they both have pros and cons so the matted row the pros are it's a lower initial investment. How many plants per acre do you average is around $8000.00 or something so you're borrowing $8000.00 plants in the spring to plant an acre with plastic culture it's $16.00 to $18000.00 so it's at least twice as many plants. So so with matted row the plantings last 33 to 5 years you keep them 3 years Ok. Proven adaptation to colder climates up Norse for the most part they're still doing matted row although plastic culture is creeping Norse. Less risk of frost damage this is kind of interesting but because of the techniques we use the plants flower later in the spring with plastic culture you're actually encouraging them to flower earlier in the spring so you have to be prepared to protect from Frost the pros of plastic culture it's increased picking efficiency because matted and I don't want to say too much because Barry's going to be talking about this so I'm trying to just go through this quickly. With matted row you're making literally a matted row it's just kind of a mass of strawberry plants whereas with plastic culture you have individual plants and if you do it right you can kind of you know pick around the plant it's much easier to pick. Better weed and disease control the you're using raised beds and of course because it's covered in plastic wherever there's plastic you're not going to have weeds. Higher production bigger berries. I think an average production for for matted row is 8000 pounds would that be average Ok that's good production I saw things like between 5000 sometimes they can get up 220000 but that's not normal with. Wood plastic culture an average yield is more like $16000.00 pounds so a pound per plant. Now you get into areas like California where they grow them where they keep producing all summer they're getting $70000.00 pounds or more per plant I mean per acre per acre. Less ongoing maintenance with with plastic culture you know you don't have to renovate the plants after the season you don't have to water we maintain them all summer long with classical sure it's a one shot and you're done plant them in the fall pick them in the spring plow a monger which some people say wow that's a lot of work in my mind it's way less work than trying to keep them especially in an organic system so again you have to weigh these so matted row the cons I think the biggest challenge and again especially for Gannett growers is we you know you can't cultivate a matted row by definition you can't cultivate it you can cultivate along the edges and stuff slower picking you know again it's you know you're kind of having the look for the berries through the plants potential for higher disease pressure because you don't have the airflow and sunshine around the plants. And you have to wait usually you plant the plants in the spring and you don't harvest till the next spring so it's a whole year from planting to harvest whereas with plastic culture it's not a lot different but we plant in September harvest in April Me Ok the cons of plastic culture higher establishment costs. Again you've got more more plants to buy you've got specialized equipment if you're doing it on any kind of scale you replant every year so it's more investment and greater Frost risk so. Just quickly trying to explain by your raised bed covered with plastic You're warming the soil which in effect gives the plants a jump start on spring now what shuts strawberry plants down or at least largely shuts them down is the hot temperatures that's why in California they go all summer because by the coasts there it doesn't ever get hot but for us it's the heat that shuts them down so the only way to get longer and longer season is to get it on the front end and that's what plastic culture does it starts the plants flowering earlier in the spring but that means you're dealing with frosts and so that is a challenge so those are kind of the pros and cons and with that in mind can you all see these it's it's kind of light on the screen but I don't think we can change that. So let me just tell you on the Agora website wherever the handouts are I've got a handout on the way we grow them which is much more detailed than we can ever get into in an hour so go there get the hand out and it will. Hopefully be helpful so this is kind of what it looks like if you have nice straw down the middle. Between the beds so we're just covering some highlights here timing is almost everything so what we get in the fall well in August for us we're in middle Tennessee so you've got it would just the timing based on where you live in the country if you're further north you're going to have to plant earlier if you're further south you're going to have to plant later does that make sense. So we set hips around the 20th of August now anyone starting out for home gardeners I would not recommend buying tips because you have to propagate the tips and tip there is a picture here you know strawberries runner I think you all understand that and then they peg down these daughter plants tips are just unrooted runners so we get them out of Canada by the box full of 1000 tips in a box and we put them in plug trays and then we have to propagate them under mist and time or so they have to stay wet until the roots get established So again I would not recommend that for a home gardener so what you're doing is is growing plugs which there's a picture of a plug down there at the bottom. And there are many places now you can go online and order strawberry plugs now I'm just realizing I never said in here in the where the variety we grow we grow Chandler strawberries we've tried a number of varieties and we always come back to Chandler Now if you're way up north and I know we've got some from Minnesota here I'm sure that's not the variety to grow in Berry Will will give you tips for other varieties Chandler was developed in California and it's it works very well for us very tasty big berries so on plugs so it takes about a month for the tips to grow and then we're planting in the field around the 20th of September and it's super important you would not think a week delay in planting would make a difference but in the fall it makes a huge difference days. Make a difference in the fall so we really try to get them in as close to September 20 is possible this year we had a disaster because our supplier I don't know they blamed it on Cove it. Totally convince We didn't get our plant we didn't get our tips until. About September 15th. So we're almost a month late planting and we've tried with Ro covers and stuff to speed up their growth but I am not real optimistic about the spring. The only saving thing is we got some other plants from another supplier and have some some that are on schedule. Yes So so again depending on where you are in the country you'll have to adjust those dates and obviously if you're going to get into this ideally you're going to talk to local people wherever you're from say wind you plants you know obviously we can't talk about every part of the country now you make a bed you all know how to make beds Well hopefully you make your own bed every day but this is a different kind of bed. Here's some recommendations you want your beds 6 or 8 inches high so on a home scale this is some work right shovel work whole work. But again you're not planting huge amounts so it's just think of it as good for you it's good exercise it's good character development but you're wanting to make a bed 6 to 8 inches high 30 inches wide at the base and these are approximate You know you don't have to get to 0 c. d. about it. And in this picture you see the plants are 12 inches apart. 12 to 14 is kind of recommended you know conventional growers who are pumping a lot of nitrogen into the plants and stuff they tend to get bigger plants so they plant them a little further apart because you still want air flow and light around the plants Ok And you can see there they're planted in a staggered row. And usually you want one row of drip take down the center of the bed you all know about drip irrigation obviously if you're beds covered in plastic you're not going to be getting a lot of rain water in there or overhead irrigation water you will get some definitely in the holes but drip irrigation is really kind of part of the plastic culture system. So I put this picture up because this is something I've never seen before I thought it was kind of kind of neat they have I don't know if you can see from where you are but it's clear rather normally what you do if you're if you're covering a bed with plastic you make your bed and then you kind of dig trenches down the 2 sides and then I mean it's really like a 3 person operation you have one person rolling out the plastic and then 2 people one on either side kind of stepping on the plastic in the ditch to tighten it up while at the same time shoveling dirt on the plastic in the ditch to to hold it in place you've got to make sure it's really down tight because you get a good when you're plastics gone and that's a big problem but what they've done here is it looks like 2 by fours they've just put along the edges and rolled it up and got it tight that way so I've never tried that but. It looks like it's working well and it looks like it might be easier than digging the trench. And then of course on a larger scale. You want to buy a tractor pulled bed maker I see Kate in the back here Kate was on our farm she and her husband interned and you were there the year we did one field by hand right we did 800 foot beds by hand and I said forget this. Because we were trying to intensify our plant spacings in our tractor poled. Bed maker would only make 6 beds in the same amount of space I said food we were just going with 6 beds this is too much work so again on a small scale it's doable but not on a large scale Now this is super important and I'm sure Barry probably will talk about this too but you know some plants are very forgiving as far as how they're planted but not strawberries you can see here well I guess it's kind of hard to see where the the soil line is at least on the left side of the picture but if there's a crayon on a strawberry It's called the crown where the leaves come out of the plant if that is buried chances are your plant is going to die and if it doesn't die it's going to do very little I mean it just will destroy the plant. So to deep I would say is more detrimental to the plant than too high but too high is also good if you've got roots sticking out of the ground again the plant's not going to thrive. And you know Mrs White has an interesting quote about planting so every root is in place and again strawberries don't like their roots bent you want to have them straight down and of course that's why it's nice having plugs because the roots are in the plug you're not we don't plant them bare root you plant a bare root right anyway super important to get the right planting Depp's So once they're planted. You've got to really baby them in the fall because you're trying to get as much growth out of them as possible by the way I know some of you are struggling with sleep I don't take it personally I know you've just eaten and you've had a busy morning so if you're struggling with sleep you're welcome to stand up walk around a little bit offend me. Do whatever you need to to stay awake so here are some things you want to really focus on once you get that plant into the plastic and again on a home scale. You would just probably take a tape measure out there and poke holes every foot down the bed or if you've got somebody handy in your family you might make a little jig a wooden jig with with 2 by twos or something and just have a little a little plug where those plants are going to go and you have a jig you can kind of course down and step on to poke holes in the plastic so you can get creative with that. We have a rolling. Dibbler that we just rolled down the bed and it pokes holes at the right distance so you get those plants in the ground and you know we're planting in September for us it can still be pretty hot in September and strawberries don't like that he in a course when they're newly planted they don't have a good root system so you really want to give them lots of water lots of t.l.c.. Do whatever it takes either with the drip we tend we like to overhead irrigate Ford tourist 3 hours during the heat of the day for the 1st 2 or 3 days just so they're not stressed you don't want them stressed at all I want to make sure they're well irrigated when you put them well when you're planting them make sure the soils moist you know no stress or as low stress as possible protect from deer and other pass dear love strawberry plants they could care less about the fruit at least I'd never say well we don't let him get to the fruits I don't know they may like the fruit but they love the greenery and I'll tell you what we've tried everything to keep them out and I'll show you later what we're using to keep them out but you've got to do something or they will destroy your planting and if they if they graze it down in the fall or winter it's going to definitely affect your production in the spring. So strawberries in an ideal world and this is why they love Watsonville California would live in a world where it was in the seventy's in the daytime and fifty's at night that's perfect strawberry growing weather and. So what you want to do is recreate that as much as within your power during the fall so they can get enough growth on them so if you're having in a cool fall what you can do is use floating row covers to add some heat does everybody know what floating row covers are Ok so I liken floating row covers to dryer sheets you know the bounce dryer sheets that you put in the dryer some people put in the dryer. It's just like a giant unscented. Dryer sheet Those are the lightweight ones then they have heavier ones that are like the baby wipes again it's just a giant baby white without the perfume. That's what floating row covers are and those those. Will add heat now I don't like the really heavy ones because they're they're blocking out too much sunlight so we've kind of standardize on a one ounce prescription yard row cover which is kind of a medium weight which lets in enough. Enough light but not but it also keeps the temperature up more. And then what you're really shooting for and this may be getting a little bit complicated but. If you can see this picture I know I couldn't see it if I was in the back of this room but in yeah this picture there's 3 crowns you have the main crown I don't know if I can reach up here and. So this is your main crown right here and then you've got 2 branch crowns right here so the strawberry plant puts out those branch crowns and the key with plastic culture is you're trying to get well I what I heard when I was just learning was ideally to branch crowns By thinks giving Now some of this you can control like with a row covers or if it's really hot you might sprinkle more to some evaporative cooling kinds of things a lot of it's out of your control you know you don't control the weather. But what will happen if you get too much growth in the fall if you have 5 or 6 Branch crowns come spring you're going to have a plant with hundreds of tiny little berries and that's just the pain you know trying to pick all those and especially like if you're doing you pick they just want the big ones you know they're going to pass over all the little ones because that's too much work to pickle those so. By trying to control the growth you're trying to get a plant that is big but not too big. Because then come spring you'll have bigger berries and plenty of them not just a bunch of these tiny ones does that make sense are we tracking here. I realize that there's probably a lot of unanswered questions and we'll try to make sure there's time for that at the end so then in the winter you don't have to do a whole lot in the winter the one thing we really like to do is we need and sanitize which is taking off all the dead leaves any runners depending on the weather sometimes in the fall they'll still put out a lot of runners and those because it's plastic they can't root and so they just kind of die you don't want any dead tissue on the plants ideally come spring because that dead tissue breeds plant pathogens you know all kinds of disease issues so we like to sanitize and we like in November and late February early March you know reality doesn't always. Make that happen but that's the goal if you can see this picture here this was taken last year in January the plants look kind of pitiful because there's winter injury you know they're they're largely dormant and they're cold you know that they've got a lot of dead or partially dead leaves and. That's just kind of normal that's nothing to worry about but you know you don't want the weeds taking over the plants. Well that's that's just taking off any dead leaves runners flowers now this is a challenge sometimes if you have a really warm spell in the late fall or even this time of year if you have a week or 10 days of really warm weather they'll start flowering and then those flowers will freeze and die and then you've got dead plant tissue sometimes like down kind of in the crown which is terrible because that can cause all kinds of crown rot so you want to get as much of that stuff off as you can. And I can just see going in your head right now I just wanted to grow a few Strawberry Point. You're making this complicated sorry. So strawberries in the winter go into dormant sea. And you know basically hibernation and Ideally that should be a gradual process you know the nights get a little colder and a little colder and finally they basically stop growing and they just sit there till spring that's ideal and probably in Minnesota it does that more than where we are but again this is maybe this would be a drawback of plastic culture we tend to get those warm spells in the winter where they're like spring has. And. I guess not so the only challenges that you'll have with strawberry plants where you can. Have some real winter injury is if it's really warm and you know the strawberries are just loving this perfect fall weather and all of a sudden boom you get a 15 degree you know what did they call him polar vortex or whatever. That can do some damage because the plant is not in dormancy So if you see that coming on the weather you will want to cover those strawberry plants ideally with floating row cover and kind of buffered them from those extreme temperatures Ok Other than that you really don't have to worry about them in the winter we don't cover them we don't put straw on them we don't cover them with a row cover except if it's going below 10 degrees that's when they say you can start having crown injury frozen tissue in the crown. Can you save the questions sorry were for audio verse we're supposed to stop for questions. Yeah so that's the only time we would use row covers think I was going to say something else but I've lost. Ok then comes the challenge spring comes in as we've talked about they want to flower bright and early 1st of March you know you you saw in the previous picture these plants just look pretty pretty sad. And then all of a sudden the 1st of March it's like Ok time to wake up and just over night they just start exploding and the growth is just amazing all this new growth and pretty soon after the new leaves start coming out then the flowers start coming out and then you really have to debate Ok Are these flowers worth trying to save or not the 1st flowers on the plant are called the king flowers they're going to be your biggest berries so you like to try to save those as much as possible but if you're doing it on any kind of scale that is not as easy as it sounds. So you've got to protect them from Frost traditionally on a commercial scale that's been done with irrigation You all remember your high school physics and how water releases heat when it freezes your member that sold the theory and it's not just a theory it works as long as you keep adding water to your field those flowers will not freeze I don't know if you can see in this picture now we always use row cover as well so it's kind of double protection so we irrigate over the row cover but I mean it's one of these miracles of creation that you go out in the morning and you're like This is incredible you know there's this much ice on the fields but yet nothing's frozen How does that work. That's that's one of the amazing things about water. So again on a home scale I would probably not encourage Frost protecting with sprinklers because there's a lot that can go wrong if for some reason the sprinkler freezes up or you run out of water whatever you're worse off starting this than if you never started it because then you know it will freeze solid now we have an amazing miracle story I don't have time to tell you of one year when our pump failed and God saved our crop which was incredible. But normally speaking. Water stops plants freeze you're in deep trouble Ok so the other option well more ice year is deadly the strawberry fruit will be talking more about this keeping rain off is ideal which you know. Doesn't fit with this picture where you're you're putting more ice year on your plants that's one reason why I kind of discourage sprinkler irrigation for frost protection because you are actually. Exacerbating your disease issues by putting that much water on your plans and sometimes we're Frost protecting 3 or 4 nights in a row you know and I know some people I feel like maybe you all had this experience the children's where they had to go all day long did that happen to you. Maybe I'm getting confused with. So you know if you start sprinkling and then the next day for whatever reason the temperature doesn't come above freezing you've got to keep it going. So I mean that can cause all kinds of issues so you're trying to keep as much moisture off the fruit as possible you all know about the the Dirty Dozen you've heard about the Dirty Dozen you know what's at the top of the Dirty Dozen the most toxic fruits and vegetables strawberries and this is why because in the spring you have a lot of moisture and so they they doused them with all kinds of fungicides to to deal with with all those disease issues and they become very toxic Ok So again we'll talk a little bit more about this later weekly spring is helpful there are a lot of organic fungicides organically approved ones. And I wish I you know this is why we need more research farms because you know I end up just kind of doing a little of this and a little of that and I'm not sure what really works what I can say is when I spray the plants regularly they do better but I can't tell you this specific spray or this specific spray because I kind of rotate them and I'll share a few of them a little later on. So this is the challenge is getting them to harvest you know there's just a lot that can go wrong with this in the spring between Frost and rain and we've lost whole crops from rain I mean it's it's heartbreaking when you've spent so many months and hours getting this crop to harvest and then it rains for 2 weeks it's just it's devastating Ok and then comes the fruits of all your hard labor. With the plastic culture system in our climate we have harvested as early as the 1st week of April which is really early Normally we kind of April 21 seems to be kind of the key time when when the berry when we 1st start picking but we've also harvested as late as the 1st week of May So there's quite a bit of variation depending on your spring weather. And we've gone actually we've pick strawberries in the 1st few days of July so we've gone all the way through June a few times but at some point everybody's so tired of picking strawberries it's like forget him let the birds eat him anything we're tired right Kate. Well what we do is we have to kind of away Ok we're spending this many hours picking them and we're selling them for this much at what point does that no longer become profitable and that's when we cut it off Ok so. You've got to pick at least 3 times a week we pick Sunday Tuesday Thursday. In hot weather you probably. Should pick more than that because right berries on black plastic is not a good combination in heat year literally cookie the berries are cooking so again that's that's a downside to plastic culture plastic culture the black plastic is beneficial in the fall in the early spring but come later spring it becomes detrimental So the one thing you can do well a couple things if if the weather's getting really hot we call we do what we call picking close Normally we like to get let them get dead red right you know because they say there's so much better tasting when they're super right but if we know especially if it's Thursday we're not picking again until Sunday and the weather's going to be hot we tell everybody Ok pick a little closer that means they may have some orange on them or even sometimes a little white on the tip. But we have high standards for our strawberries and people come from a long ways to get them and then the other thing you can do if it's going to be hot is run your drip irrigation more and then the plants are taking up that added more oyster and and through transpiration get some of them appart if cooling. Ok I think that's the and yeah. So. We've got we've got 10 minutes or a little more for questions so this is so let me just tell you that we've rearranged that the last because of computer challenges somebody else needing the computer. So the next hour we're going to look at some common challenges and we've mentioned some of them but we'll go into them a little more in-depth So Barry and I will will be sharing together you know these are challenges of growing strawberries no matter where you are in the country and then the 3rd hour Barry will present the matted row system Ok so that's the rest of the afternoon that's how it's going to go so how about some questions on plastic culture yes or. Ok question for audio verse what's better ever bears or what they call June bears even though for since May bears. I be interested to get get Barry's thoughts on that my personal opinion and from my own limited experimentation with that is definitely June bearers just get a good harvest focus on it get it done and get it over with you know ever bears and let me say this ever bears I think work much better in the northern half of the us because you know no strawberry plants going to want to be flowering when it's 100 degrees outside so basically in the South ever bears become spring and fall bears they don't they won't bear through the heat of the summer. And then the other thing my experience with them is you get little bits each flush and you know if you're busy with other parts of the farm you're not you don't have time to go out there and hunt around for a few berries does that make sense for a home scale again I would say if you're in the northern half of the country you might want to try some because you know you have some for breakfast maybe on a fairly regular basis but if you're trying to put up a bunch just go with the June bearers you want to add anything to that by the end of our season by the end of our we have a 3 week season for our manager role and by the end of that season we really don't want to think about strawberries very much you're picking them for another year. Ok yeah it's a bittersweet time you know part of you I mean it's really nice to see the money rolling in because everybody loves strawberries and they're willing to pay a good price for them so you can I hate to see that and but on the other hand especially your pickers are like I don't like strawberries in the more please can't we do something else Ok another oh yeah Ok so the question is can you plant ever bears and June bears Yeah that's not a problem plan I'm close it's not like cross pollination or anything no that's not an issue so yeah you can do that question here and then here Ok that's an interesting observation so he's saying strawberry in the south strawberries grown in matted row are not as sweet. As as those grown on plastic I can't honestly say that I have because I don't think we really ever grew the matted row. So I can't really compare but I'll I do know is that our customers say they're the best berries they've ever had so. Yeah yeah that's a good question and I've thought of a lot of ideas on that but he's asking if we've cut away the plastic. In the spring when it starts heating up we haven't we have tried putting some some white. Landscape fabric kind of right up next to it which I think was a good thing but it was enough added work at a time when we really didn't have the manpower that we haven't stuck with that you know the challenge of just taking the plastic off one nice thing about the plastic is it keeps your berries cleaner so you take the plastic off and less you're going to put down straw which works in a bad idea but if they're just on the dirt that's that's a really bad idea because they're going to get very dirty and they're going to rot Yeah so. I'm open to ideas Ok question while we're going to Ok possibly put woods to wood chips or straw on top you know there's room for experimentation. I haven't done that but it might work again any of those things it's going to splash on the berries you're going to have more stuff on the berries but again if it's a home scale you know maybe rinsing off berries is not a big deal Ok so why not white or clear plastic Well the challenge is again if you remember I said the black plastic is an asset in the fall and early spring because you're wanting to get them to your wanting to get extra growth on the plant and then get them flowering earlier so the white plastic would actually be defeating that purpose. You know it would be ideal if you could somehow. Have plastic that turned from black to white at a certain date or something but yeah I don't know Ok trying to see some who k. let's go here here and here and then we probably we've got a few minutes Ok do we move them yes we definitely move them and I would encourage that yes so we pull up the plastic in the drip tape and plowing under but we rotate we have strawberries we've got 12 plots and 3 of those are strawberries every year so every 4 years we'll have strawberries. Best kind of soil Yeah we didn't talk about that at all and that's because strawberries from my research and experience they don't have any special needs you know it's like with root crops with carrots or something sandy soil is ideal because you don't have all the clay to wash off and stuff but with strawberries you know I've heard people say strawberries like a rocky soil Well I don't like rocky soil so we have a problem there but. I think the short answer from my experience is they can grow in a wide variety of soils now you don't want to water logged in that's why we use the raised beds you know any plant but particularly strawberries if they are you know I'll tell you if you want to really a horrible experience you eat a strawberry that's been underwater it is a taste like you never want to experience we have one end of our field that if we have a lot of flooding it gets they can be under water for a little bit and those berries all have to just go to the compost because. They're horrible Oh well yeah we had Yeah you want it yeah you want to add organic matter you want to add you know ideally I mean we test our soil in you want to make sure that everything's balanced in good shape. So yeah you definitely anytime you plant you want to be adding You always want to add more than you take away that's that's a biblical principle. But what you add it's not like there's any you know it depends on what your soil needs what you've been growing there there's too many variables to you know strawberries do like boron in small amounts but if your soils are loyal low in Boron which I think pretty much all Sorrells are. You want to make sure you add some of that Ok I think there was a question oh yeah. Ok interesting so this is Fred Flint from Savannah Tennessee which is warmer than us if anything and he's saying they're growing so though they're growing ever bears on white plastic it's plastic Not the ground or the ground cover and those are your planning bare room in the spring yeah it's hard to get them as plugs in the fall so you can so that's interesting Ok seascape in Albion are 2 day neutral varieties to try in the south on white plastic. So interesting Ok Well I think one more question and then we saw all the it with plastic called Sure runners are a liability you don't want the runners So yes snip them off pinch him off whatever when they start coming on but again you're planting them late enough in the year that in a in a normal year they don't run there very much but if it's if it's a warmer than normal fall they will put out sometimes a lot of runners and so you've got to just take them off somehow Yeah. Ok well we'll stop in I think we have a 15 minute break right and then we'll come back and do some some challenges of strawberry growing. This media was brought to you by audio verse a website dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse if you would like to listen to more service plea to visit w w w audio verse or.

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