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Pastured Egg Production

Joshua Dysinger Kelli Dysinger

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  • January 15, 2021
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Started with about 100. I kind of had gotten the inspiration because earlier that. Fall I guess late summer fall we had done a bit of a farm too or through New England and I guess we went up into Canada to Coleman's farm and some of the other farmers that. You know our. Lives made a name for themselves in farming and a few of them had chickens and I it was something that I really thought was cool and I enjoyed the. Enjoyed animals and so I thought of that I wanted to get into so that fall 2013 in October I ordered my 1st. My 1st chickens and I've had. Ever sense you know a very amount. So it's been well over 7 years I guess so to start out why chickens. It can be a profitable addition to the farm. That I can increase or so on attrition if you run them on your farm on your fields which we have done some not a lot. And there a relatively low maintenance animal there are great animal to like get started with if you're if you have if you haven't you know had livestock or any kind of animal they're relatively low maintenance animal to get started with there are also you know if you have young kids raising animals like a great way to you know learn a lot of lessons and just like. You know taking care of stuff and having to having to do that on a day to day so those are all those are all some good reasons for chickens so 1st starting out. Purchasing your chickens you got a couple options really there's 2 main options. You got to chicks that are like today's older ship to see is they hatch and then you've got ready to lay pullets they're called before they're laying and you know if you're looking like on Craigslist or something that you can get a varying ages. A. You know average breed is going to start laying around 5 months so I mean there's people that raise chickens and sell in the 2 months 3 months 4 months 5 months whatever but you know you get your check or you get one that is passed that states you don't have to be dealing with. With that whole side of things. Then how to choose your breeds you got to slide on that in a bit and where to purchase So those are the things we'll go into the pros and cons of checks of the pros. You know the background and the health of your hands. There are fundraisers. And you can you know if you're if you're ordering online and these places have so many different breeds and varieties generally. If you're looking for. Older chicks off of Craigslist or something you're going to find someone that's raising like the main. Breeds for laying like a you know just a couple breeze you know you're not going to have the kind of selection that you have if you're ordering from chicks. And then the Kongs are it's relatively time consuming it's a whole separate It's a whole separate systems you have to have a whole separate. Supplies and area for that which is not it's not a huge expense but it is just something you have to have you know your heat lights and just chick feeders and waters and stuff like that and then you also you'll lose. You know it's a learning curve I'm still still one of the and even if you do it perfectly you're still going to lose. You know small percentage of your chicks and then the ready to lay hands or really any. Pull that. You know I would say they probably are considered pullets after. Like a I don't know 68 weeks it's to the age where they don't need the heat lamps there they can be more out there they're not as prone to getting like cold and stuff like that the just more stable. So if you get ready to lay hands at 5 months old you got immediate eggs and there's less equipment it's needed. Cons are that sickness can more easily be brought in your flock and it's up front it's a much bigger expense I'm a chick. You're going to pay between $3.00 and $4.00 for ready to I hen it's. A healthy good hand I mean you're paying upwards of $12.00 to $18.00. For so you're upfront expenses much less. For my calculation I have you know $12.00 into a hen by the time it's laying anyways but you that you know over. 5 months of buying your chick says you know you're upfront expense and you've got to feed for the next 5 months which may be easier to do than to drop you know $2000.00 immediately to buy your hens the right to lay so I have I've done bowls and I started by by raising mountain chicks. Did a couple batches of that and then I bought chicks from our I bought ready to lay hands from someone up in Kentucky great. They worked out well I paid like $12.00 for. But I am to the point I would say. And things always change up right change my mind in a couple years but I would say I'm going to the point where I'm never buying another chicken off my farm it ruined my year this year I had I had about 100 hens that I had got in the fall of 2018 I guess so. Yeah I think it was fall 2018 so spring 2020 they were a little bit over a year old. You know land great I wanted to increase my flock I bought 100 more from local person and brought them in and they had they were sick I guess got the whole flock sick and I almost just it was the whole year was just kind of a flop I was able to like stay on top of all my. C.s.a. like egg shares but. You know when I should have been getting. 20 dozen a day I was getting like 6 like the whole year so I'm kind of over that. If if I had someone that I really trusted that I had gotten checks from or pullets from the Reds away you know and and there's people that I that. That raise them well it just takes takes time finding that person stuff and it is much easier but it can get you in trouble and it got me in trouble and I could have possibly saved myself if I had if I had not put them together and realized that I had these ones I got had some issues I could have tried to deal with that because those are the point where I kind of had to use like some more strong like antibiotics and then I could use my eggs for like. I don't know 3 weeks or something. So I could have had them separate but I had my flock that was laying Gray I could have got it dealt with putting together probably wouldn't lot better but I I did and yeah kind of screwed me over so. I would say that I'm more pro by your chicks. Yeah and raise them yourself so you got to breed selection here and I don't have any actually specific breeds I can say some that are like your your high layers but there's really no right or wrong on which breeds so. Things you can go off of as your desired egg color so I like having like a really cool mix I don't have any pictures in here but I've had some like astonishing like cards that just are really cool you know green eggs blue eggs white eggs dark brown light brown just everything. I like that I think it's really cool you know does it increase my. You know increase with eggs or worse probably not really but people think it's cool. Cold slushy tolerance. Just depending on where you live and these are all things that you can see about the chicken when you're when you're purchasing them like different icons that are like you know better for better for cold better for you know lots of colored eggs whatever static appeal like you know you have a couple of breeds that are like your number one layer and so you can have a whole flock you know 200 of one breed and just personally I think it looks way cooler to have like all these different chickens and whatever but I'm kind of getting past that I don't have that many breeds anymore but if you have like a backyard flock you know it's kind of what we did these coaches you know have feathers all the way down their feet and they're just like a big like round chick and you got the Polish to have like feathers like crazy off their head and you get all different colors and it looks cool but you know that's is depending on your depending on your desires on that and then the egg laying capabilities there's different definitely different. Different You know birds lay better than others just and also another thing like some of the lighter birds. Are much more flighty they're much more likely to fly over your fence Romel over some of the bigger like you know Orpington or barred rock or you know different birds like that are much much less likely to try and fly away. So if you know if anybody wants to know what specific. Breeds that I've had experience with we may have time at the end for questions or I can just talk to you afterwards. So purchasing Marmot Murray had tree is where I got a lot of my 1st checks this year I've gone all my checks from Hoovers hatchery. Mostly just because Murray memory didn't they were like sold out of almost everything I'm not sure if it's because they were a lot busier this year I think there's a lot more people that were trying to raise them chickens have their own. You know eggs so they didn't have very much as you that's why I found here versus They had a lot more choice when with this year I don't wouldn't say one is better than the other and then crabs this is really the only place that I've found to look for. Like older birds. I don't know if. That's does arrive found stuff and you just got to be wary of. Of those so tips on raising your checks. Got to have sufficient heat that's you know that's your number one the number one thing that they're going to die from is if they get cold when they're little. Around a breeding pen so. I dealt with this a bit this fall where the chicks get scared and the all kind of like pile up and they'll go to the corner and just like pile up and they'll still like trample and suffocate these ones on the bottom and if you've got a round like no quarter. They don't like having you out of just like Russian do and it really will keep you know keep you from losing chickens from piling so that's a that's a great a great thing for your bring pen. And then just make sure they have enough space that they're not crowding each other out you know they want you to be able to run around and obviously they're mostly going to congregate like under your heat lamps and stuff but you want to know if space for them to be able to. Go wherever they want and also especially like get away from the heat because they will regulate their own heat like if your heat lamps pretty low. Which is good to have them low but they'll just kind of lay around the outside and regulate their own heat. So those are some tips on on raising checks and there's all the all the hatcheries you feel you know look at online bill have like a whole information sheet on raising the chicks and you know they're what they encourage on stuff like that. So we're going to your tube so this whole presentation is just based on my method which is. A movable coupe with movable fencing you know always on fresh pasture you know there's there's different ways to do I do have one slide with another picture of a way I've been doing some this this winter but most of it is based on this movable system so this cube I built in 2013 I guess was from my 1st chickens there is a picture of when I was building it. Just simple simple framing on a trailer. I would say on this coop like it's taller then need be I'm about to build another one and it's going to be like short and so this and it's a little bit taller than need be. But I've loved this cube overall So yeah this is the picture of as I was building it. So I think the key of Mongolia building your cape keep it as lightweight and as low as possible so I'll show you some pictures and a little bit of 2 different cubes that I have right now that one that I built I love it the other one I bought like last year 2 years ago I don't really like it at all I'm about to replace it with a new one I'm going to build but. Keep it as light was possible I had my dad keep it I Bill I moved with my 4 wheeler is so easy you know I'm just back up there. Hook it up around it's much easier than like when you're in a truck or something you can mostly see your you know ideal you have someone that's kind of directing you to back up to it and then it's not as easy to just like maneuver around whatever so that if I move my forward because it's pretty lightweight. That's super easy mesh floor is ideal. So you know potentially if you're in like a really cold climate you would want more like sealed up but. I mean even then I probably would say it's better to have that that metaphor in that area and. So I never have to like. Clean out my pant I mean every once in a while like where some of the framing on the trailer. Is like crossing in those places where they can't fall through it will start piling up and all like you know just. Shoveled out or whatever but it never like builds up on the floor measures probably like. Maybe inch and a half. You know you want to small enough that they're not like falling through it when they're trying to walk and then also you don't want anything to be able to like crawl through it I mean a snake could get through it and I should have put a picture here for the 1st time ever this last summer I found a snake in my cape eating eggs and as I was like open to collect eggs there's a big old black snake in there and add like 3 eggs and it was like these huge as I would like to see and eat eggs I mean it's heads like you know Jaws like that big and had these huge I don't I mean like under their job or whatever but it's been pretty crazy to see but I've never really had issue with snakes before so. I'm not trying to build a snake proof coop. And then make it easy to access inside for yourself don't just have like a little chicken door you want to man door you might not always keep it open but you do want to man door because I'll show you a little bit later on. The nesting box system that I have but you've got to get inside. For that So you want you want to good easy access to the inside so this is a cube I built once it was finished I got the trailer jacks on the 2 corners just on this one side. When I park it always face that side down hill and so I can jack it up and level it and then I can level it and. Makes a super simple so on this coop I have these 2 doors here that hinge up and I've got my eggs I may have a picture of it later on. But I've got my eggs with a roll out so I can hinge that up and I can collect all my eggs from the outside. Without getting in the coop which was great but I have kind of changed my system a little bit so I stuck like the ex on the outside and I still have to go inside to close the nesting boxes but. That's how that came to set up I got a little a little door on the back side for the chickens and then previously I had it where the opposite side from this was like a huge door almost the whole side of the coop swung up and then I had some poles so I swing it up and the whole side was open but it flipped over in a storm this is. Spring. And I didn't I didn't fix it the same I just like that door like busted off so I just framed up most of that side and then I just have one like you know 3 foot wide like Man door to get on the other side so that's how that one set up this is the one that I don't like. So the reason I don't like it is it's really tall it's up on this hey wagon and if any of you have experience in the hay wagons and maybe this is like not a good hay wagon I don't know I bought this kit from a farm that was down the road that was selling it but it's like. The the weight of the coop is sitting on like these axles and there's just a pin that goes that goes through from the top down to the actual There's nothing bolting on the top so literally you could pick the whole thing up it's just the weight of it that's keeping it on there but it's also like. Got like bowed the metal is like. You know better so that axles can have a little bit of wiggle for going over bumps and stuff but it's like this is. Early sketch like I've almost flipped it over almost on flat ground before. Because this is really on sturdy and the whole pupil like twist on that and it will start like pulling the pin out and I don't like it at all. It's much harder to use on like a hillside you know because Mother coop Parker on the hillside jack up the sides and it's good to go this one like I can reuse it on the hillside if we take putting on any kind of filling out of like chalk at the tires whatever and it's way heavier like I can't pull it with my 4 wheeler. So I would discourage building on a hay wagon I wish I had a picture of the. Of the trailer that I just bought to build on. I do believe that it's maybe like old trailer from like a little r.v.. Camper trailer. It's like it doesn't have any any sides on the trailer just a flat trailer and it's like. The bed of it is like on the axles so the wheels actually like come up over over the bed to look at so it's really low I mean it's probably 16 or 18 inches off the ground it's real low I'm going to build a cube that's maybe 6 feet on one side 5 feet on those sides of the total hood and height of my things going to be like 7 feet or less so it's going to be real low and real sturdy it's not going to like football over so that's that's my to keep this one this one I'm using right now as a. Breeding pen for my chicks so I have a leg up beside our barn so I've got power to and I have my chicks in there with lights on everything in it's working pretty good for that but I'm not planning to get back out on the passion because I don't like it at all. I'm supposed was a safe till the end just for the recording. This I think was time for questions at the end so this is my nesting box system is actually not mine but the same it's the same thing. So the nesting boxes are. Long like doesn't mean that this company sells a bunch of different sizes but if there's like 11 solid opening back there the hens them in the plastic is kind of loose ends can go in whatever they pretty much go through those will open it and then they'll just line up in there so the part that they're laying on here is a little bit of an angle and then the eggs roll out to this area which is covered by this little shield so they lay the eggs the eggs roll out. And they're clean everything so that one of the coolest parts about this system. Is that they've made it where they've got these automatic opener things so I'll go collect the eggs maybe like right after lunch you know I don't know just in the afternoon like maybe 2 o'clock or something the hens are pretty much done lang by then you can you can kind of get a good idea of when your hands lay you can collect your act at 2 o'clock and then leave the nest in boxes open and then go back before it starts getting sundown if you do a couple days and you have no eggs you know by 2 o'clock they're done laying I can close it up by then or you can just go collect your eggs little bit later in the day but the chickens do start roosting cook a decent amount before like it's dark like as soon as a sun starts going down there they're roosting and you don't want to be in your nesting boxes so this little perch year olds up it hinges on this screw folds up you have a little spring that's attached here and here it's not on in this coop it's not in the picture but. That comes with it so you fold them up and they automatically spring down but you get those little automatic opener thing bolted up here so when you when you fold jurist up you pull out all cylinders down and hooks on the rear seats and then you can set your timer at whatever time in the morning you want it like a bit before sun rise because chickens go to bed before sundown but they're up way before sunrise so if your sun rises that you know 530 you might want your things to open it. 430 or 5 to just say your timer on there every day I'll just pop up and the thing will spring down so the beauty of this is. That it keeps your nesting boxes clean so the chickens will not poop in their nesting boxes when they're in there laying eggs they'll go back in there to roost and they'll leave a pile of the night. And so then your eggs are dirty even though they're rolling out they're still like rolling through pimpin they're just getting dirty and then you've got to clean your ads which you know if you've got 20 chicken is not really a big deal but if you've got $400.00 chickens it's going to take you hours. So this is this is like a huge thing and on the clip that I built the nesting boxes were roll out like this they had perches that folded up but it didn't have this automatic thing so I would have to go in the evening collect eggs fold the perches up and then I have to go back early in the morning and let them down which is just a bit of a pain and it never really happened that much so then the nesting boxes got dirty so this makes it where you only have to go out once a day you go out collect your eggs close yes and boxes every day you can feed during that time whatever but it's really a game changer it is a little bit pricey the nesting box this is not the biggest one the biggest one is like. I don't know I don't know how long it is pride long is this table 6 feet. Day rate for $75.00 birds. So one nesting box up to $75.00 birds. It's like $300.00 ish. And then the automatic opener things are roughly like. I don't know like a 130 maybe. So you're talking like pretty close to $500.00 with this is done for your nesting box personally 5 birds but I found. With you know the amount that I'm doing and amount that I'm going to be there in this year is just it's it's worth it. So that's a system this is. Because maybe I should have that slide 1st but hanged year is the company. That has those nesting boxes the openers and stuff there's a lot of roll out nesting boxes out there. But Hand years system you know all those is meant to go together I bought their automatic opener's and modified my other roll out nice and boxes to put them on their side and I was like buy new ones for that coupe and you can do that but if you're if you're just getting started you're buying roll and I said boxes I just buy theirs and buy their system if you're going to go that way so yeah roll out a deal and here's the system that I have my favorite is clean and keys away from your chickens if you get a chicken this starts eating eggs you might as well just get rid of it I mean it will ruin your flock they they eat their eggs and they'll you know if they learn like they can pack and hard enough bust them open then they'll suck them out and it once one starts doing that it will just spread and it's hard to stop. So I'm you know my recommendation if you know if you start seeing that it's hard to tell like what chickens doing it whatever so you've got to be out there collecting eggs like you know maybe 3 times a day to make sure you're not leaving eggs in the nesting box that they're trying to get out if you keep it if you keep it empty more if you're collecting them or you know if they're if there's no eggs in there in the rolling all the way down to the bottom of that roll was because it's hard for a chicken to get its head although in there if they're kind of piling up a little bit they can get to easier so you got to collect them a lot make sure that they have plenty of food and try and break some of that but that's a that's a real bad thing when you get a chicken that starts eating its eggs. So yeah I think that's it on the on the nesting boxes in the coops so the fencing that I use these are the 2 companies that. I have purchased fencing from this electric netting have lots of different like. Different styles and lengths and whatever but that's the. That's the 2 companies that I've used. Ken cove and Premier one supplies so with this electric netting. It keeps the birds you know safe for most predators and it also deters them from. You know escaping so they don't respect it you know regular fence they can get all up against After a while they'll try and like fly over it but with this I found like they get up on it and get shocked if you times and then they'll just kind of keep their distance a bit and then one even really try and fly over it so it works pretty good every once in I get some birds that are going to fly then you have to clip their hope their wings. But for the most part it works pretty good so why the electric netting easy to move it always keeps your hands on fresh grass he's most predators away and it's much less expensive than a permanent fencing so this stuff. I just bought 3 sections of it I guess and I think it was like. It was like between $4.00 and $500.00 I believe. For the for the 3 sections I bought I think it's like 1. 40 ish and that's $164.00 foot fence so I use all I have I made a little a little. Graphic to show you how I move my chickens but I use 2 sensing. It's got 13 posts so I do 7 posts you know corner corner and then 7 the other way. And that's due to fencing like that. And it works real well I can I can keep I would say that fencing if you're moving like once a week pretty good for like up to like 150 birds. So this is this is a. Old thing for you to see how I how I move my fencing so I got it colored here so that's the orange is your one fence goes like this your other friends are too soon when I go to move them it's easiest to be able to move them during the day you know if you gotta wait till their night clothes a-Q. pup and move a little bit more paint as you got to do it after dark and you probably got other things your you know I wanted to work late so this is the way that I can move them during the day they never get out they are always in a fenced enclosure but I can move them so you've got your 2 fences there you put up. Another friend here and then half your friends and you have your little pile there then you then you under that fence you've got your good friends rolled up there you pull your caper crossed. Then you put down your orange one there now. And it's done and you just take off the rest your friends and you've moved them and they're always happy to move and they are you know when you pull the Coupe De Muth they move when the one thing that I do sometimes if I've got chickens you know if I like spill food or something out here and they don't want to move across when I when I'm pole nest fence across out here and then kind of like swing it in it but for the most part they're always pretty eager to move so this works best if you've got an open field if you can just be moving on from square to square and square takes me about and I move in probably in about like 45 minutes of the ground you know pretty quick at it it doesn't take a long time did I'm totally a new pastor did about once a week. So that's that's that's how I do that. The next thought I have here is. It's more move a bowl. They're used a lot for broilers for meat birds but a pen like this so this is my chickens right now this was probably like a couple days ago this is some of my birds in here so I've struggled the most with predators. But tween. The age that I put them out on pasture and they're full size so like from maybe. These birds. It's like end of October so they're like 3 months old right now so they're probably like big enough to put out on pasture like at 2 months old especially if it's warmer you know right now. Kind of cold and I probably wouldn't put them out just totally in pasture 2 months old but. They're easy for hawks It is pick up. And you may not really even realize until you've lost a lot like when you've got. You know there's only like 50 chickens right here but if you got amount of passion you got 200 birds you might have to lose like 30 or 40 birds before your notice like there are not many birds here as I used to have it and then it's like Ok Well they're gone you know or you'll have like a random chicken that you like that stands out from the rest like because of its feathers or whatever and you'll notice the allusion to conceal that one is gone and it's like where's that chicken you know and then you start counting it's like going and I was 30 birds you know so that's when I've lost the most of them. Once they're big enough. We don't have hawks big enough around our flies if you go bald eagle then you know you can just let it have them he said I don't know what to do but the hogs around our place they can't carry a full grown chicken so they'll come kill it they'll sit on the ground for an hour and eat it and you know you can deal with him. But I've lost a lot of this age so this year I bought these little. Things that are easy to make bottom because there's a farm near as well and I go for like 50 bucks I got 3 of them but it's just like a wood in a wooden frame around the bottom you've got your your side skids that are maybe like a 2 by 8 and then your boards across the front here they're like a 2 by 4 so you've got a little bit of a gap there so that that's not like dragging on the ground you know cut some angles here. And then you get these hog panels from truck supply or something. Attach them on the inside of your board just like staple up fold them over and then attach them on the other side and then just put your tarp over I put plastic on the ends just because it's you know it's cold it off was right now. And that now they would be fine without plastic but when I 1st put them in they're kind of small it was good to be keeping them warmer. But the thing is if you have them and these you have to move them every day unless you have like just a few in there then maybe you can leave them a couple days but. This is a great way to run them on your growing plots because I've put them in my fence. And the coop out on our fields and the manure you know. Is like 95 percent under and right around your cube so in like 2 days you got kind of you know a couple days you've got kind of like a good spot over there that's starting to kill the grass you have a lot of manure and everywhere else they've hardly even gotten to. And so with this it's like a really really. Good way to like spread evenly around your around your fields I just pull this every day and then they're completely like safe and here like that I mean you know Iraqi and probably could get in there like this appears I probably should put some like. Chicken wire or something up there but like some tiling could get in there but it's pretty it's pretty safe and you know I'm going to have hawks coming down and grabbing them so I've really felt good about this I will. You know sometime. Middle or end of February these are all out on cash or but it's worked it's worked really good. For for this year so this is the 1st time I've got the. 6 weeks ago or something and it's been it's been a pretty. Pretty nice little system. So for for chicken health. You know keeping them on keeping them on fresh grass is like the number one just to stay on top of Health are not like you know in body ground all the time. If you notice a sick chick and. Pull it out of your flock immediately you know what you do with that is. Up to you whether you want to spend the time you know a lot of time I try and just get rid of my chickens you know so I try and I try to nurse one long you know a bigger bigger operations if they've got a 1000 birds that I have the time to nurse a chicken along so if it's you know if it's sick they just dispose of it or whatever but get it out of your flock whatever you do get out of your flock put it in a little separate place give it its own care and hopefully you can catch it before it starts spreading to your other flaw or you know the chickens or the flock. These things are just good immune boosting things that you can give to chickens. Bowl flake Ok so if you notice you got a sick chicken you pull it out what like potentially the other chickens you know have to have something so this is something you might want to do then fresh garlic time and oregano will like chop it up and we grow all this stuff was grab a bunch chop it up put it in their food apple cider vinegar in their water and then that our acts it's like a. Smoke like Vic's but it's like a chicken thing it's you know if you if you have a chicken that's got like sinus a lot of pretty much all the sickness that I've had is like sinus stuff like swell up around their nose and their eyes so you can like rub it on you know the the one that you have or whatever you have They're like Worse you had to rub it on their face and how some kind of like clear out and stuff. So you know this stuff is great to do just periodically I'm not really on top of it I don't necessarily do that all that often as I feel like I'm struggling with something. I do when I purchased my chickens. There's 2 very. Common that seems everywhere you purchase chickens from a hatchery that give you the option it's Merrick's and. I don't remember what the other one is but I do you add that like with all the checks that I get just because it's there are diseases that can be transported just by wild birds and so there's not really any way. To. To keep that from your flock you know that's that's up to you whether you feel like you're not. But I do I do that just to try and prevent. Prevent that sickness. So that's the end of my slides we've got like. There's about 20 minutes so. I didn't go over like you know feeders and waters and stuff I had some. Of that in the pictures but I would do questions for a while see if there's anybody that has specific. Yesso. Here this is something that I water something I kind of have struggled with because I just don't like a big tub chickens drink a lot of water like you may not realize but. With my flock of like. You know 200. They may go through like. I don't know 2020 gallons 15 gallons in a day you know it's a lot of water and so I've had just like a barrel and then like a big like sprayer tank kind of thing that I put on back my 4 were filled up take it out in the coop or in the pasture and seal up the barrel is not a good system because the barrel gets really dirty because the chickens are up on the edge and their feet have you know darn paper on them and it drops in the water not the greatest system so I bought this place I got these. Little. Things a lot of other chicken stuff I bought a bunch of these Bell waters. So there the red part. Kind of goes up and down a little bit when it fills up with water when the trough fills up with water pull it down a little bit and it cuts off the drips that's coming in. So how they had him set up as they just had these buckets they had the little hole in the bucket with a little hose shoved in there and it works great for these little little coops you just fill your bucket up I mean these chickens will go through that bucket in about a day and a half that's 5 gallons. But then it's always clean water and they're using all the water when I had the barrel every time I filled up the bottom of the barrel had to dump it all out and it wasn't real efficient with water. So in these little things that works also I'm what I'm planning on doing on my coupe is I'm planning on putting a 50 gallon drum on the tongue of my trailer and then running the gutter on my keep running it in there. And then I also will just got like a 300 gallon. Like you know those. Water square water containers these fill I call and you know sprays and stuff I got one of those on the back of my truck and fill up if the bear is it doesn't rain enough but then I'll just have 2 of these waters like off the side of my off the side of the tongue of my cube and I'll just have it coming from that barrel so I'm excited about that I feel like it to be a good good system for watering. There on the ground it's a 10 by 12. Yeah it's 10 foot wide 12 foot long it looks a little bit. Yeah yeah I mean maybe it like bend down a little bit but it's pretty close like 6 feet tall. Yeah it looks Lloyd looks longer in this picture than like less wide but it's it's I think it's almost like square pretty good size and I would say like I've got this is like 50 chickens. And they're like maybe a little bit more than half size so they're still pretty small if I was using this out on the pasture with full grown chickens I probably wouldn't want to put more than 30 in it and you've got to move every day if you go that many in it. Some of them yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I don't know about I don't think I had any pictures but yes I. On that keep that I built. A built like. I took like a 2 by 6 and I bolted it because it the trailer had like a you know a 12 inch side and the angle are you know on top there was like a 2 inch wide flat surface on top I bolted like a 2 by 6 onto that around and I built my frame off of that and then I have. That are sitting on that going across maybe like 12 inches apart. And so they're like you know 1216 inches off the floor. Yeah the chickens like to have something the roost on yes. Ok the question is how long do I keep them before the production goes down enough to not now make it worth it so I've kind of gone back and forth with this. I think that. I mean I would say like 3 years is probably as long as you want to keep him. And I've I've sold them just on Craig's List. Or. Yeah there's another guy around that I've sold into I can get like maybe like 5 bucks a bird a lot of people you know they'll lay for like 8 years you know but it just goes down a lot and so a lot of people if they're just looking for some chickens for like a little backyard Fokker something. They don't really care that much if they're a little bit older and they like getting them where they don't have to raise them so I've posted my chickens up one summer up on Craig's us for maybe like 10 or 12 bucks live up for a couple months always have people texting me like hold by all of them for 5 bucks Ok well now right now live from up there cell you know a few different batches to just random people maybe 10 nerds maybe 5 birds 15 birds you know if people come in just grabbing a few after a while if I was told them all or if I just need to get rid of them then all. Sell mall to one person to come in for 5 or 6 bucks and then that makes it so that I average you know maybe like 8 bucks off them which is pretty good after you've you know been getting Ekstrom for 3 years and you only paid 3 bucks for him you know it's not bad and you know you can immediately put them back in and buy more. Your question dear. I. Pretty much have always had one not necessary because of choice but they do as. Jet you know when you're buying a nuff chickens you're always going to get a rooster like they're you know I'll even know how they tell chicken jet place apparently they're pretty good at it but they only they only well the only guarantee you 90 percent so that means if you get 100 chickens and you get 10 Roosters out of it you can go be like hey I got 10 you know Roosters if you get 11 Roosters then you can you know go to play and they'll give you more chickens but I've never had anywhere close to that. You know I will buy 150 chickens maybe and get like 2 years maybe and it's I've never really had a problem with it always keep them. I don't I don't really think that it makes any difference in production. People don't really seem to care you can have a you can have an egg with blood in it without a rooster like that doesn't mean the egg is fertilized it doesn't really change anything with so. I generally however is not necessary because of choices because it happens. Yeah I should add a picture of it but it's pretty simple so like you hold the chicken pull its wing out and there's a pretty defined 2 different like feathers on the wing so like the 1st half of the wing is there outside feathers to keep them warm and then the last half of the wing is their flight feathers and they're much longer clip of that and then does no visual like it goes up underneath and you can't tell if you've clipped their wing but and you only want to do one side up their wings on to one side if you do both sides. They can't fly very well but they keep them stable enough that if they try you know if they're going over a fence this big that on the fly that much they can hop and Bill will fly and get over the fence but if you clip one wing they. You know they can't get over him so yeah you just want to clip one wing. Yes. Yeah Kelly. There that she got to the neighbors like a few months ago and is like a kid already going she loved it and whatever and then it like started trying to attack or and it didn't it didn't really bother me but I came down like a few weeks ago she just shot it so I was like well I guess that's how you deal with it came like a kind of water running at her and she was like no. So I mean if they did if they did mean there's really nothing you can do I mean you can't like train them so you just got to. I mean like we have. Yeah. I think I'd be. Yeah we have we have definitely given I mean you know there was this waste I'm you know plenty of people want to eat and so we've definitely I had one batch of bullets that I bought that were not old enough to tell theorist but. They weren't from a hatchery and I ended up with like 10 roosters or something and you know at that point like I don't mind having a rooster but only wasting my feet on Roosters so I gave like 6 of them to him and you know they enjoyed him so you know you're going to waste them. Yeah yeah I mean dog. Whatever works yes. With the chickens so. Right now well American has a lot of Americans because they give you the color you get green blue eggs from American is. There's another I don't know there's like so many different names. But like your classic Brown. There's like a golden comet. Red sex link is a Brown. I don't I mean they're all at the same chicken but it's like a it's like a bread chicken where the the the fluff when they're chicks. It's a sex linked chicken where the fluffs will be different color on the male and female they're bred very good for production. They're high production Chicken Little and nice brown eggs Leghorns white leghorns are like your classic white egg production bird they lay a lot. Of a lot of Rhode Island Red Right now right on red aren't ones that I've had a lot of but I mean they're classic you know they lay great good. A little bit of a heavier breed so they may lay better in the winter the real light breeds like your like corn want is good in the winter because their life super skinny and they don't know if there's one. Barred Rock are the ones I've had the great. Yeah I mean I've had a lot of breeds but those are some of the classics Yes. I don't really I mean in my case I keep it pretty full and so they're all like they're in there so they keep each other pretty warm ever really worry about at least around us you know we don't get. Well is that if you yeah i'm so you may you might want the cute to just be a little bit more closed up. You know but I mean as long as they're like full grown their fullest other days I mean they we have a little flock they. Tell a god they're all like these random will crazy chickens and they just sleep outside like they are there's a little coop in their pasture and they never go in it away eggs in it but they just sleep outside they'll just like huddle together and it's been you know like snowing in like 10 degrees and I mean they're all fine so they're I mean they're pretty pretty hardy on how to keep track of these and order but. I don't I've never I mean I've been doing chickens for. Like I said 7 years I've never once had someone complain about my eggs and I've had some people like that there there was I had a bunch cracked ones in their corn but that's just because of. You know the card might have dropped or something I don't know but I've actually never had someone complain about like a bag of bloody egg anything so as not something that I've dealt with. Ok So ideally you don't clean your eggs you just you know if you keep your keep if you keep your nesting box clean you don't have to clean your eggs so what what I would normally do. Is collect my eggs and I don't actually carton them like every day I usually have like some baskets in the cooler so I'm going to cart number all the baskets out of you know my table of like a bucket of warm water. My eggs and my cartons and I'll just be carting all the clean ones very well drop it in the bucket and drop it but set it and. Just go through all of them and then once I'm done then I go to my bucket and I will like he's just a little cloth and just wipe them off and if they sit in the warm water for just a little bit of time that is wipe off clean so that's what I do and. Yeah so if you don't if you don't wash rags and you don't refrigerate your eggs you can leave money counter and they'll be fine but I don't just because I washed some of them you know if you're if you don't have home chickens you know when you're not selling them you can just every time you collect your eggs into one your counter and just washing to use them or whatever but I do keep in refrigerated even though you know people ask me like do you wash rags you know it's mostly not but I do refrigerator that kind of means they still have to be in there for Draper So yeah. Yeah I've never really I've never really run into anything and you know at a farmer's market you're not going to run into much of any like. Food requirement kind of things I was talking to a guy that has a little store that we sells in produce that. And talking to him about selling eggs I was asking if there was anything like that I would need to. Worry about like. You know for selling eggs in a store and he said no he said the only the only thing is the date staff have a date on him and also like if you have a bigger flock than like he didn't know a number but he said there is like a size limit if you're faux bigger than a certain amount than you like him into another category and you have to have like more. I don't know just safety precautions or whatever but in a you know probably less than light $5600.00 chickens you are going to run into that and that's just like at a small like market kind of store if you go into like cold food or something and you probably run into a lot more legal stuff but yeah. Oh yeah sorry I didn't answer that one. It drops. I don't know it's hard to say probably like. I don't know 3040 percent I use light and that some that I didn't talk about that really helps if you want your day length is less than 10 hours. It's good to have light in there and keep keep light for 10 hours and that will keep your egg production up pretty high but I mean I would say maybe like 30 percent maybe 40 percent but it does help to have light I didn't go into it too much but my coops I'm still working on them but like my goal and they're they're pretty close and I got solar panels on all of them is that they're like totally automated like of automatic doors. So I don't want to go on opening and closing doors and they're safe and they're Cooper at night I've got. A new solar panel with a battery that's running the little. Nesting box open in closer and then also would be running a light in the winter that would be set you know to come on a certain time go off at a certain time and I deal with any of that so I do have most of my coops or not most of my peers only got to hear this but I've got mostly all that set up in my keeps where they're all. Run off solar and doing all that kind of stuff so we've got time for another question or 2 yes. Egg cartons where I get married I've gotten from a lot of different places and again a lot just like track supply which. I don't really stay like this the past few years I've been doing like wrestle like 100 chickens this year. The goal is like 400 I have 200 right now I got 200 there coming on the 20th of January. And so it's going to be I'm going to be doing a lot more than I have been. I'm also not to be you know have a ton more egg cartons I've ordered from a place is just called egg cartons online. I've gotten from them I don't know there's really any like just specific place that's really good to get a car and just search around online find the place of the cheapest being you can generally get them for like $0.25 a piece but I think you know if you're ordering really bulk get less now I'll probably ordering you know like $5000.00 a time or something to get quite a bit lower. So yeah one more yes. Yeah. Yes So how to tell the difference on the age different blogs I'm going to really run into that because I've pretty much just been doing one's lot 150 birds 100 birds you know give or take. And I will sell them. All like in the fall I haven't I haven't really been doing eggs a whole lot through the winter like I've had chickens in the winter just kind of. You know either ones left over that I didn't sell or whatever but this next winter is in to be the 1st time really actually trying to like actively you know on a farm in the winter more than in the summers of less time in the winter but I'm trying really actively stay on top of the chickens in the winter so you know I've bought 400 birds there and like you know from October to January so like they're only the age difference is one of like 3 months. But. Yes So I'm going to have to be I'm going to have to be doing some of that so. I don't really have a good system for it probably the best way would be I mean I feel like the best way would be to rotate your breed so you buy. You know you buy a 100 Rhode Island Reds and then the next. Spring or Fall or whatever you buy a 100 you know Americanos and then you just kind of keep track of the breed you have right now then you can still have you can stuff multiple different breeds like multiple different colors but they're all little bit different age and as you cycle out so Ok if I'm selling my road on red this year that's because we what I'm buying again and the next year I'm selling my Americans and buying American is again so that I always have for the most part I always have those laying but I think I'd be a pretty good way to do it I haven't really I'm not really on top of that I haven't done a lot of just like cycling through my flock but I think I'd be a pretty pretty good way to do it and I'm not starting greats I've got multiple breeds but. Yeah I tried banning them and the thing that I ran into was a band and a little bit too early was too small bands so I had to go take them all off because they started growing. And they like tightened up side to go club all the bands off so you can do that and that's that's a pretty simple way to you can buy like a big bag of bands and I just bought bands are too small if you buy like big bands and wait to ban them until they're fully grown and probably fine and then you can just have different colors for different just keep track of your your colors so I think for. For the record. Fair I didn't get into that. I have. Gone multiple different places. I get. I get right now I've been getting my feed from like just a local. Bike feed store that had. Like non g.m.o. feed for going to pretty good price I'm going to change and there's a farm that is like an hour from us and I like grind on their own feet and stuff and just get it like in bulk like in barrels some of us are doing that when I get home. I can say like a good place to get feed that's just like everywhere you just kind of to search your own area for some non g.m.o. or organic seed or whatever so yeah I was think we need a close up for the recording and it's also like almost lunch time so. Thank you all. For being here and feel free to like to talk to. This media was brought to you by audio for us a Web site dedicated to spreading God's word through free sermon audio and much more if you would like to know more about audio verse if you would like to listen to more service leave a visit w w w audio purse or.

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