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Healthy Soil, Healthy People

Tim Howe

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Tim Howe

Medical Director of Wellness and Diabetes Education at Parkview Adventist Medical Center

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  • October 31, 2014
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so the name of the lecture is healthy soil healthy people that actually is the name that was given to a conference in Bangor Maine two years ago February about a year and a half ago now where Michael McNeil who is an agronomist in Iowa he spoke there and I also spoke so it's not from my own making I stole it from him healthy soil healthy people before we talk about GM oh and organic though I'd like to just take a minute and look at Christ's view of healthy soil healthy people and before we do let's bow our heads for prayer our father were certainly thankful that you know all about us you made us from the dirt you breathe new life into us and you know how we work and we know that you will be with us here today guide our minds guide our thoughts blasts and keep us may we understand this topic better in your world better for having been here and importantly our mission as you explain to us in your word in Jesus name he Jesus gave a parable some two thousand years ago about a seller that went north to so scattered seed the word of truth and the scattered that in various grounds of the first was fell on the pathway and the birds of the air snatched it away those representatives you know the devil snatching the words of truth out of our hardened hearts hardened by sin a second leave the seed fell on the stony ground and you know it's interesting repair just a few verses and Ellen White spends thirty pages in Christ object lessons explaining the meaning and she barely scratches the surface but are not wonderful chapter of the sower went forth to sow she says the stony ground the stones in the ground is the selfishness of our hearts and then the next oil that she has Christ spoke about was the soil that I think afflicts medical professionals the most amounts of soil where the thorns are and Christ said it's the cares of this world that that just crowd out the gospel and it's the pleasures of this life and as medical professionals we all have cares of this world by I thought about that as I listened to Phil Mills talk this morning and he showed that picture of that crowded waiting room have you ever had a waiting room like that their minds like that way too often I don't know if any of you are is as bad as I am but often I get to the end of the day and I'm an hour behind this never happened anybody is in no and I think Lord should night beyond time I was so glad to realize that day I respond that Christ was a little bit behind time because I been right there wondering what my patients were thinking sometimes we get that the good soil was ruined by the cares of this life but the good news is if you've got a hard surface for art if you got stony ground if you've got the cares of this life the plow of the gospel can change the soil of your heart I just pray that each of us as physicians as banisters healthcare worker would remember healthy people begins with healthy soil when we want to have a gospel plow working the soil of our own hearts that's way more important than anything else I'll tell you today because you know with it we worry about all the food they were eating I love that the passage and Ellen White's writings were she says if you're afraid your food will hurt you it most assuredly will there's a lot of truth in but it were all worried about the food were eating and don't take time to allow our hearts to be purified by God 's word and that that soil turnover in the rocks cleaned out were to have real trouble so don't lose sight of the most important soil and that's the soil of the heart well and I will talk to you about the organic NGM low in conventional methods of crop growing if you will or raising of crops you raise crops and rear children told I don't think that means the application of punishment for that part of the anatomy of the children although in my house it happened but said there are basically three different ways that you can raise crops the first would be conventional there's not much conventional raising of crops anymore it's the application of pesticides once in a while and tilling the soil and then there's GM mode and glide phosphate and I'll come back to phosphate over and over again you may know quite costly by the term Roundup that's most of the crop raising in our country today is the MO and Roundup ready crops and then there's organic and non- GM of it is really difficult in our country to separate between conventional and organic because I mean conventional and GM of because there is no labeling laws what we find it if you command separated out as a conventional isn't too bad if he used a few pesticides but JAMA when and why fossae as you will see it can cause more problems now there's been some really good studies on the various ways of raising crops and there's been quite a few other studies that look at this as well the important thing to remember is that there is some lot of difference of opinion that happens to sort of influence the outcomes you know can then show raising of crops GML raising of crops versus organic is sort of like Madison you have lifestyle medicine and you have traditional medicine and lifestyle medicine as Ellen White put it in the case of sickness the cause should be ascertained unhealthful conditions should be changed wrong habits corrected then nature is to be assisted in her effort to expel impurities and reestablish right conditions in the system that's that's lifestyle medicine as I point out when I'm lecturing to my patients once the last time you went to the doctor to diagnose you with hypertension and he sat down with you and said now let's see what the problem is here that we can correct so we can get this blood pressure down usually what the doctor does is takes out the prescription pad and writes out an antihypertensive and then takes this and gives us to you and you and you take it that's like conventional farming conventional medicine and conventional farming is while we've been busy state what chemical can I use to fix it we don't do that in lifestyle medicine or there's a new branch of medicine now called functional medicine and you can think what you want to about that but their intent and that there's a lot of mixture and now but they are intended to find out what the problem is and fix it so that the organism can get healthy and nature can take care of itself and that's really the difference in philosophies between conventional farming and organic farming organic farming seeks to improve the soil of work to do to take out that the toxins in the soil to support the plan and my wife but it's my wife's sister her family that she's married into raises organic walnuts and northern California and they are always examining their soil and see what they need to add to it to keep the trees as healthy as possible so they can resist disease and produce wonderful wall wears no couple miles down the road they say while this plants getting this disease and so it needs this past aside or this herbicide or this fungicide and it's just like traditional medicine you have this disease you need this medication versus while you have this disease I wonder why you haven't now let's correct the problem so that's sort of the difference between the two branches of raising crops now in the last if you look at an online or in any reference you will see a large number of articles supporting both methods of treatment of plants just like you do in Madison I many of the articles in support of the raising of conventional crops are you are crops using conventional medicine and GM of and the use of life on Savior Roundup were very supportive of it and they were not as supportive of organic methods in years past if you look at a survey of the literature in the last two to three years mostly the last two years the balance is starting to tip as more and more information gets out and it's leaning more toward a organic non- GM old method of raising crops I'll give you an example of that is if we look at nutritive quality how many of you read the annals of internal medicine and articles September two thousand twelve anybody read that at least one person was alert to the fact that there was a a critical article they are in an article published in annals of the research of our thing the paper was from a group at Stanford they said there is no no difference qualitatively between the nutritional content of him raised with conventional methods GM oh food and pesticides and organic food and what that was as a review article they actually didn't do any research they just looked at all the papers that had been published and they said there is no difference except in one area and I said that wasn't the pesticide levels were higher in conventionally raised crops and you'd expect that and they went on to say that this is probably not important because of the pesticide levels were likely within the acceptable range of toxicity we do the same with medication when word treating patients right we know that medications have toxicities always say they do but they don't happen very off and then they probably won't affect and so we use statins and and you know I'm sure that no athlete would use a step right you know that why it decreases their muscle strength and no program no alter out the league would use a Staten because their muscle strength goes down of course we don't think about that may average per person because we have more muscle strength we need until you get to the elderly and there's good data that you probably shouldn't use statins in people over eighty five because then all the little muscle strength may be the difference between falling and breaking a hip and not same idea goes with the one were dealing with toxins and pesticides while you're young and healthy and you're not going to have kids and but if you're in the childbearing years work your elderly so you have to play all the then when you're thinking about toxicities of interestingly another study was just published in August of this year and that was in the British Journal of medicine August two thousand fourteen and they get another meta-analysis and review of all the studies looking at the question of nutritive quality of organic versus nonorganic raised and they came to the opposite conclusion now it's interesting to read to look at the logs on this article because you have all of these people saying of who the publishers of that article are just a bunch of organic green ease and they clearly have a vested interest but wait a minute let's follow the money here how many organic growers do you know that have as much interest in their product financially as the GM of group shots you've heard of of of life I say right how many pounds of life phosphate were spread in this country in two thousand ten any clue a lot okay well and in nineteen eighty seven nineteen eighty seven the response of thousand pounds of polite phosphate spread in this country nineteen eighty seven in two thousand ten there were a hundred and eighty five million pounds spread in this country and were it a come back to life our statement of the reason I bring that up at this point is is there potentially more money invested in one side than the other week you've heard that the the little same we have the pot calling the kettle black and that's not what's happening here because you have huge money on one side accusing the other that has very little money in involved of being a vested interest what we do have in these two camps is personal philosophy that's very different just like there is a difference in personal philosophy between conventional medicine on the one hand and lifestyle medicine on the other now you can blend the two of those terribly effectively but said there's still a difference in personal philosophy and you could save that the people that are raising crops organically I have some personal philosophy and reason why they interpret things the way they do but certainly not the money that's behind the big growers of or I should say providers of GM oh and quite fussy foods let's just take a moment and talk about just what's involved here there are many pesticides on the market and there are several GM of foods but I want to spend the rest of the time until the question and answer on just two things one glide fossae and the other Roundup ready crops Roundup ready Roundup is a type of blank fossae or I should say prostate is in Roundup along with some other quote enter ingredients that all come to ninety percent of GM oh crops today are Roundup ready crops ninety percent the other percentage is largely BT ready or not BT ready but BT infused GML but were in a stick to Roundup ready crops all of those are produced by one company and that company is months and so life fossae is an interesting compound and we should probably understand a little more about life offstage before we get back to discussing the Roundup ready in how that works why flossing was first discovered in nineteen sixty four and it was marketed as a key later now I'm sure you're familiar what a chelator does it finds minerals in particular and why phosphate was noted to bind the cat ions that have two positive charges like calcium and magnesium and iron and copper and sink it was had a particular affinity for those metal or mineral ions and it was marketed as a key later and it was known as a strong chelator it wasn't until nineteen seventy four that John Frandsen discovered that it had a number if factor another property that he found very interesting and one quite a few awards as a result of this discovery and that discovery was that it interfered with the shaky mate pathway of the reduction of aromatic amino acids now the reason this was so important is you and I do not have the shaking me halfway we have to eat those aromatic amines in our diets but plans have that should he make pathway and if it could be blocked then you could block the gross of that plan not only does it have a direct effect on the enzyme that converts chicane she came he sorry shifting to ship in May it should scenic acid to shaking may it in blocks that enzyme but it does it specifically because that in design requires manganese for the conversion and manganese is also tightly bound so it has a double effective blocks the enzyme directly and it affects the manganese that's involved in catalyzing that inside reaction when he found this out immediately he thought now this is a wonderful compound because it won't be toxic to mammals and in fact it isn't very toxic to mammals at least acutely the LD50 of going phosphate is about one hundred fifty ML 's that is if the average male drinks hundred fifty ML 's if so you have a hundred of them fifty of them would die from if you read the literature on the acute toxicity from client fight like fossae and you find that said there is no medical treatment and if a person consumes three hundred ML 's of Gleick phosphate the bay all the do it just the wrong and you get respiratory collapse hemorrhage and it's a nasty nasty chemical if you consume that much but that's a large dose of a toxin many things are much smaller dose and it will do you and so it's a relatively safe chemical as far as LD50 is concern in acute toxicity but remember that this interesting compound has some other effects besides blocking the shaking make pathway it also is a key later as I mentioned and it's a very strong he later and it has other effects on the human body as well it's I'm glad you're looking it up there and find what I'm talking about its right evening you can look it up on several blanks and I'm happy for you to do that check me on my facts here it also affects the P four fifty cytochrome system now how many of you remember all the details of the P four fifty cytochrome doubt that that's right it's one of the most important systems in the liver it's called P four fifty because it absorbs a a wavelength of light at about four hundred and fifty nanograms as if you have a clear wavelength but it involves a huge number of cytochromes and blithe fossae is a piece for fifty inhibitor in fact as a result of value does two very interesting things among others one chronic exposure to glycosylated I interferes with the production of testosterone estrogen and vitamin D vitamin D three specifically it also has another effect in that it inhibits the detoxification of water called C-note biotic and toxins that is toxins that come from outside of us in in order to get rid of those toxins that we ingest the liver has to change them to make them less toxic before it excretes them in life phosphate inhibits that a system that detoxifies that that we used to detoxify toxins that come from outside of our body so it has some interesting chronic effects and that take a wild show up now remember that in nineteen eighty seven there were only five thousand pounds of the stuff sold which isn't very much it wasn't until around nineteen ninety six then it started to be used in large amounts of the reason is it was in nineteen ninety six that month Sancho release the first Roundup ready crops know what is Roundup ready mean it means that they had taken a seed and changed the DNA properties so that this plan could now resist VF fact of the life phosphate it could make the needed amino acids by a different pathway a interesting how they engineered it but one of the reasons they pushed so hard to develop these seeds is this why phosphate was becoming very lucrative to them from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety six the use of white phosphate had skyrocketed and they knew that in two thousand their patent would expire however they did something very clever and that is they said now with these new seeds in order for us to guarantee that they'll work you have to use Roundup ready for and why phosphate so they ensured that is long is those seeds were under patent which is much longer for a genetic patent that it is for a chemical patent that they would have the corner on Roundup months and who is a very bright company you can call them evil if you want I don't choose to I should choose to think that they were motivated by profit just like many of our companies are in this country today unfortunately when you have profit is the primary motivation you also need controls of which haven't come into play largely as of yet so you have this life fossae which doesn't have a big problem acutely but there are some questions about possible long-term complications we didn't see these initially and you would expect to but over time we started to look at possible diseases that might be as a result of why fossae I want to tell you a number of stories now that I got from Doctor Michael McNeil I referenced him earlier in his agricultural business he of course is a consultant and year of told us several allowed things that it happened to him in his business and I'll tell these to illustrate the various problems with the life Austin one day a farmer walked into his office and he he shut the door to the office and then he looked around and he said to Doctor McNeil you have to promise me that you tell no one that I've been in your office today and Doctor McNeill but that was a little strangely set all right I'll promise I'll tell no one that you've been here remember that Roundup ready crops were not market until nineteen ninety six that's just a short time ago in my way of thinking I'm you know at that age that one long ago was a bill now so this happened just a few years ago this is guy was a corn grower and he said to Doctor McNeil I've been growing Roundup ready corn for the last ten years every year I broke or I have ten thousand acres under cultivation I know exactly what I'm doing I'm very good at what I do it raising continuous corn he said I've been getting about three hundred bushels an acre lots a lot of bushels per acre and I got back year after year for the last ten years on sell two years ago when my yield started dropping off he said it drop to two hundred he said last year it was one fifty and this year I think at best I'm going to do is sixty five he said if the people I ran land from here what I've done to their land I will not be able to rent anymore he said can you help me he said well will see so he went out and he examined the land he did some testing and he found that what happened after ten years of continuous heavy use of life phosphate in the form of Roundup the minerals in the soil had almost been completely chelated so there was very literal mineral of available to the clients so he said to the farmer we can deal with this but it's going to be very expensive the farmer said whatever it costs if I don't fix it I'm out of business and I've ruined the land but I'm renting and that will be one lawsuit after another and so they started applying huge amounts of these chelated minerals because the chelator can only chelate so many in their wallets sites are filled and then it has no more effect so they super fertilized with minerals and over the next two or three years in my last communication with Doctor McNeil just last week he notes that his corn production is back up I want to costs that's what happens with you later now if you look up on the Internet you won't mind the half-life of glycosylated is interpreted variably in some places it says that it's forty five days other places little say that it's a hundred ninety seven days to huge range but that's acceptable in other places it says about half life aquatic life posse is two years according to Doctor McNeil and also Don Huber and others the half-life of life phosphate as a key later is up to twenty years twenty two years now the reason for that is what it is it is fully bound to the minerals in the soil it does not deteriorate nearly as fast so the half-life is difficult to to say for sure how long it is they said that one of the reasons why phosphate was so say is that it didn't migrate down into the water the ground water the reason it doesn't migrate is because it binds so tightly to the minerals on the surface of the land it only goes down about six inches because it's bound so tightly to the minerals in soil it is water-soluble and the top layer does go off into streams and ponds but they are the half-life is shorter than in soil so that is one of the problems with life fossae is that it interferes with the minerals and they are on file availability the appliance but now we get to the first thing about healthy soil helping people if the plants can absorb those minerals and we those plans do we have less minerals the answer is gaps bearer I was a study published in June of this year and then they showed that indeed there are lower levels of these important micronutrients in crops that are raised with the client phosphate in Roundup ready crops now you say will widen why was this developed in the first place and I just want to step back for a moment and and and tell you that this the development of Roundup ready crops was not all bad you see we know that every time you tell the soil you cause some deterioration some decrease in nitrogen and what they were using Wi-Fi seat for his call but no tilt method where they go in and made spray the whole field and burn down all the weeds and then they come along with the seed drill and drill the seeds into the ground and then they seeds would come up and leaves would come back but the crops were Roundup ready so they could spread again with Roundup tell the weeds down again but the crop that they were trying to raise did not was not till and so this was sold as a wonderful way to preserve the soil and actually had an element of truth in it because the notes film method does reserve the soil I'm sure that Doctor Geisinger 's children have played around with no till method using mulches right because when you do a no till method views preserve the soil structure and there are some benefits to it so don't think that months and I was out to be all evil they work at this was a potentially really good idea to preserve soil because you wouldn't have their runoff that you get with the tillable method and there was real potential here but as here's going to see there are some downsides of Doctor McNeil was also called by his neighbor 's neighbor said to them you know I've been raising how for years he said his neighbor was in his seventies he knew the cattle business very well and he said something has happened to my animals usually if you raise us fear how many of you graze cattle lower or if you raise a steer from when it's very young form when it's just born to get it in John there like Pats but they're not mean you can walk out you can slap him on the side that there really docile we had tabs when I was growing up raise them in and you know you didn't ever have to worry about being trampled by them or anything of that nature 's move the guy called up McNeil and he said that something 's wrong with my counts I can't trust them anymore I cannot go in the ten anymore without being very careful that they don't trample you said in fact I never go into the field anymore except on my tractor where's I used to walk in the field all the time and he thought this was a very interesting couldn't figure out what was happening in the guy said the the thing I've noticed is they have diarrhea a few months later his brother was trampled by his politics and died and in questioning the family he said yes the hearts of been acting very strange there been very irritable arms to usually are not mean if there raised carefully there they're very docile lamb so he started doing some studying 's autopsies and he found any showed us pictures of this that the best stomachs and the G.I. tract of these animals was very inflamed well let's stop a minute the shaky make pathway is not found in human but it is found in bacteria I've never heard of probiotics how many of you have heard of probiotics twenty years ago you have really marketed as they are now known what happens when you have chronic low-grade exposure to blight fossae is you change the in tile entire micro bio that got bacteria change and it just so happens that the beneficial bacteria in the animals and your God are more susceptible to glide phosphate band the pathogenic bacteria the least susceptible happens to be the Clostridium family the next least susceptible is the Pseudomonas family and it's interesting the Pseudomonas family when they metabolize this a point when they made the error meaning aromatic amines using a different pathway a byproduct of that pathway is a production of formaldehyde not particularly good for the organism and certainly we know it's irritating to the G.I. tract we have an AGI doctors here know surgeons are doing scrip is okay have you noted in the literature any increase in the incidence of inflammatory bowel disease in is there a connection no one knows for sure but it is highly suspect because if you change the micro bio and you decrease the beneficial bacteria and you increase the toxic bacteria like the Clostridium you're headed for trouble so when were dealing with life on state which has a very low else or I should say a high LD50 in the low toxicity acutely we can't write it off completely because we have more bacteria bacterial cells in our body then we have our own selves and you know that and that affects us tremendously in fact much of our digestion is absolutely dependent on our G.I. flora particularly in the particularly with yes George were coming through it okay that the plants now all most non- Internet unless they are Roundup ready crops and what's really happened in the in the last five years is black plastic resistance and so now we have super weeds that have been developed and the levels of life phosphate used in our in the production of our plants is much much higher than it was originally in fact they recently raised the allowable level look like fossae in plants from five parts per million to twenty parts per million and the only reason they did it was not because it was shown to be safe but rather because that represented the level that was now needed in order for them to continue spraying at an effective level so we have a new level of accepted toxicity based on what's in the plan and that can be up to twenty parts per million what we find is if you regularly consume twenty parts if you regularly consume parts per billion three to five parts per billion that's enough to adversely affect the G.I. flora in your gut thank you for that okay what word I get to exactly what she foods are Roundup ready and and those that are they use Roundup for but a few more stories first okay some years later actually this was about five years ago Doctor McNeil received a call from a Mennonite community in southern Illinois and ninety said how can I help you listen what we've got a problem here because we have had no live births in our women for the past three years now those of you that know about Mennonites know that this is catastrophic because they have large families and they depend on those families in order to work the farms so he went up to that area and the looked around and he found that the whole community was getting milk from the same farm and so I went to the farm and he asked the farmer what the fattest cow 's in the farmer said I speed my cows soybean meal and he said well what kind of soybean meal beset all I can get it cheaper if I buy STS soy now you may not be familiar with that term but it's important for you to understand that that's sudden death syndrome sore sudden death syndrome soy is a disease that the plants grow almost to maturity and then just weeks before harvest the farmer gets up one day and the entire field is turned brown the beans are still largely developed it's not completely developed it is no longer acceptable for use as human food he doesn't want to lose his entire crop so they grind it up for animal feed and it's cheaper then regular soy because it didn't quite reach maturity as I said well that's interesting I think that should be studied and so he wrote to the FDA per grant and the FDA said well I think that's an anomaly we don't have any funding for that later that year he got a call from Kentucky and they said that we got a real problem in our racehorses could you come down and and help us our racehorses are dropping their full zoom miscarrying their having stillborn 's and would you come down and examined it so he went down and you guessed it they were feeding their racehorses STS sword so he wrote to the FDA again and they said this sounds like a real problem we should probably study this thoroughly and he received some grant money because those are of a million dollars a pop or so some was racehorses when I gave the conference with them two years are year and a half ago he had identified the causative agent of the STS soy as far is he he showed us electron micrographs of it but he was not sure what it was he said the same thing is happening with crosses will be said Goss 's wealth affects corn and when I was growing up he said we'd see maybe one or two plants in the whole field that would have gossips will but now in Nebraska he said there is a huge areas affected with this where the corn will almost reach maturity and then overnight the whole field is gone the Gossage will and so he was interested in that as well and that started studying that though he wasn't sure of the costs but this is an interesting problem because with Goss 's will new and STS so I you have a disease that's affecting the plan that then affects the animal that then affects the human so we have a disease that is moving from plant to animal to human values in his words potentially a cop apocalyptic that's a word it shows why just talked with them two weeks ago and it happens to be the best caused by a claim for Jan particularly affecting plants that have deficient mineral availability so my advice to you is those of you who are in the age of having children avoid SPS soy that is only organic soy and only organic corn pipe I would strongly encourage you to do that the other thing that's important about this is plan prions can't be killed gently remember the mad cow disease we got a real problem on a and it is an easily solved there was a conference in Colorado that he just attended and I'm getting all the information from him hopefully within the week I'd hope you'd be here by then but he simply told me this when I gave the conference a year and a half ago I thought the news was terrible the worry use was apocalyptic he said it's worse than we thought based on the news and why costs are so I'm almost out of time here's my advice the crops that are heavily sprayed with a black fossae and our Roundup ready are primarily caught cottonseed oil corn and soy the other ones that have black phosphate used but are not Roundup ready are we and potatoes potatoes they use it in to desiccator the plants in northern crime my wife and I live in Maine and in northern Maine just before potato harvest they spray the entire field with black phosphate to desiccated the plan it hardens the skin of the potato and makes it much better for transport so those are the ones that you need to be concerned about now remember corn involves corn syrup and if it isn't in your consciousness corn syrup is an almost everything right the chips that we ate today and the corn tortillas unless they set organic were not corn and soy are your big ones and I would strongly encourage you particularly with corn and soy organic now to make it simpler vote for GM all labeling because we know now that conventionally raise crops were not using blithe phosphate are really very sent learn to organic in their nutritive quality there are problems but they're not as big as the ones that would come with white frosting so the simplest answer would be G MO labeling as you may know in Oregon and they are having a vote on this in a few days and you might not be surprised to know that Monsanto is dumped a ton of money into that block out Coca-Cola has as well why corn syrup in their price would go up considerably corn serve as you may know and now is fifty percent of the sweetener that's consumed in this country today is corn syrup about half his corn syrup and that causes a whole host of problems in Georgia Kentucky about another time with the fatty liver and diabetes in on it goes but questions yes I I don't think they're any good studies in humans to tell us exactly how much of an effect that is but we do know that there is a problem with vitamin D deficiency part of that is because our dermatologist of told us to stay out of the sun and that's not all bad advice but part of it we think is likely related to the of the inhibitory effect on this this the cytochrome P four fifty and they are the synthesis of vitamin D part no but this is in cholesterol synthesis and it and also a fax the estrogen there is another thing that it's been shown to to foster the growth of breast cancer and that's nodding humans but in the trout if you take breast cancer cells exposing the glycosylated they grow much better John that there is a whole lot of studies about life fossae and autism I did not touch on those because I think that the people that are dealing with this problem had sort of overreach themselves there's a great review article by Senate she is a professor at MIT on this whole issue of life phosphate toxicity but my own opinion issue may have overreached a little bit because she says that all chronic diseases that were where you have are likely related to and she mentions of autism as well I think what ratifying with autism like coronary disease and diabetes and some of the others is there they are an expression of multiple causation 's and glycosylated exposure may be one of them but I don't think it's the sole exposure on sole reason for that and find aerosol is another one of the need mechanisms it suggests that is causing autism is fine aerosol exposure their multiple explanations for autism and probably room to find that many of them are correct and it may be thimerosal it may be life on say it's probably a combination of all of those autism is another one of those diseases that is a is tragic and growing right now the US is one in fifty children get autism and that is terrible John I say you can tell in what I say analysis one study looked at the people on aircraft carriers the ones that work on deck versus the ones were down below who had the highest melanoma rates the ones that worked below it it is not sun exposure per se there is a physician at Harvard who says son prevents fifty to one hundred times as many answers and causes Leon I'm not a terminology this media was using my audio verse four amen not just medical endless number you would like to learn more about Nina please visit www. amen and 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