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Gender Roles and Ordination

Laurel Damsteegt


Laurel Damsteegt

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  • August 31, 2014
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him my father we thank you very much for him and your continuous care over your church and know that your church is the apple of your high that you are watching over but we also know that we have five troublous times ahead the father we pray that anything said today will only glorify you to go through your word please discard my mouth my thoughts and make everything be very clear and we pray that you'll actually be our best friend always has we were new in Jesus name amen I a lot of friends that are pro- nation and I would feel very badly if I in any way I hurt their feelings today and saw I just want to say that this is something that we have to be really really sensitive to their many people whom the Lord with all our hearts and have differing opinions is so alive and him dying sometimes it is I am feeling a wide turmoil inside especially about issues and about situations in really really helps me if I spend time praying for each person individually people that I disagree where and maybe a rightfully solve or for whatever reason it doesn't mean that I need to personally feel upset towards them here is saying following is a loving approach always be considerate of them Jesus was at his enemy 's hands anyway I can believe it's okay to believe it's okay I him how I feel really really bad always just like Jesus then always pray always prayed my name for different people that you disagree with him for over two years now and send ministers and elders women have been earnest believers follow worker is not ordained but just the same working completely alongside this past Thursday and situations French Revolution society pretty much took a total turn out why things were unleashed at the root French Revolution quiet and has a chapter in Revelation chapter chapter eleven in Revelation they are all important things that actually changed all of life changed after the French Revolution French Revolution have an impact on feminism and running Gnosticism wrote there wasn't any before that but it rose to them and a debunking of God 's word happens critical methodologies started coming out were later popularized by liberal Protestant spiritualism arose we spent all morning on that equality for women had its beginnings not too many years eighteen forty four cabinets came to him and for their submits the following Babylon when the church has changed him when they reject the truth we are told that they became Babylon is one aspect of their change was the way they interpreted Scripture because they had their whole selves at home his second coming they are earnestly on the second coming they were so disillusioned when the second coming didn't happen to anyone how about adding strange illusion that will sort you have to realign how do we interpret everything because if your sweetness spiritual experiences that time was that the patent movement and how is that how you go back to the Bible again and Jesus didn't keep his word how do you do an all out and so early out and had a real struggle trying to come through it all back and so his store is open to all the weight you interpret prophecy with my historical methodology like Seventh-day Adventists do is to win and that's why historical critical methodologies came and then you get your interesting is where everything goes to the future how do you answer all of that himself Scripture and a relative in the way it was interpreted sound you get your journeyman printer is an higher criticism coming in at that time shortly after that where the first ordinations and women outside the Seventh-day Adventist church the spiritualists were among the first to introduce women ministers Pentecostals for more free touring named mainline churches began women's liberation takes on the cost later on and later on they all thrust was to get rid of May oh three leadership not so much get written out but at least putting on equal to fifty percent of all playing and encourage him and promote lesbianism in the church we began having a series of studies him first I was in nineteen seventy three called Mohit and him and this was similar to those only and will file him tall and before this we had no women elders and it is supporting him in our church came to start to study the whole picture of their elders ministers were the same and you hold group of scholars from Andrews University went there and had other scholars from around all winter to there and that time a patent women elders from a dear friend that went there I have a personal letter from her when she explains some of the proceedings there and how she was very much against women's ordination of any type but the chair and hinder purslane set when you go along with him trying a trial basis of trying women's elders would you be willing to try and see how it works in the idea of trial and say she said well I usually go with the committee accepts away that day they wanted her to him and so she she went ahead and it was an official note to gauge it is assented to this time it has never been raised by the case it was a trial basis it was not her holiday in general conference in session only at annual Council UK and so this is a true fact and I can supply you with the new facts there is drinking seventy five the General conference in and you should find out here coronation was biblical nineteen eighty five again at General conference another general conference discussing and nineteen eighty nine Kathryn is strange because of tax issues it was decided that all elders made Mary and baptism baptize as they went about how to do it the article IRS what you know IRS is getting involved in archaeological questions but this is how it worked because the evidence ministers get him in a that person until one ones him to figure out if you are not so frightening and deleting it marriages and you can't get this benefit will you all are that should be able to get this person a delight on and so because of the tax issue all elders at that time were allowed to marry in that time is allowed women to marry him baptized okay and brings all I was actually there they put forward a statement that time and which was actually voted in nineteen ninety eight Indianapolis General conference him down the statement that there was that women can essentially do all things that pastors do Mary baptized in all not be ordained with him and mentioned here earlier and we many times not disappointed with with the white turnout and that was one of the times when I was very disappointed because I wanted him we don't like the Bible we don't know why you know what's politically expedient number one and number two why to let them marry that ties him and let them be a full pastor in one hundred percent discrimination in my mind by P&L and you know that he got hold way it was a very fair rationale as well one step forward is better than no step it also that's what happened and died in nineteen ninety that was allowed no as ordination but allow for this both ecclesiastical authority is not can also baptize you I was there to make him play as you and also to the state will not saying it's not just the church itself I saw that you have to be in as well that's true amazing is not applicable to state and interns working in the church and women who write those with you is that correct is that all all all allows local elders if they are allowed by the conference to go ahead and Miriam baptize him down it all came up again to general conference in Utrecht in nineteen ninety five and him proposal came from the North American division women being ordained to the gospel ministry realizing that the rest of the world wasn't ready for ordination they had the exception that fall in North America or a backwoods ready for this be forced into this layout had to do this for just the countries that were ready and like I mentioned before we broke before my husband had the upholding speech to this which I will play at the end of this is time together so that you can actually hear the issue was being for and how applicable it is today you'll be very amazed and outsource the world church in session voted that down so women were not allowed to be ordained at that point this out and it is not allowing the DNA any of the divisions were not allowed toward being wondered about what happened post Utrecht LaPierre and Slidell went right ahead with planned women ordination they didn't matter what the church about a just one had there with no discipline offered for them all some conference is change the terminology to commissioning rather than coordination to make it okay and curriculum of the recent North American division struggles for Columbia Union Pacific union went against the general conferences recommendations and began ordaining women with the idea that entering a come around so when I saw this but hadn't do it him and him and the southeastern town in your conference notes a woman president in and were aware on territory here are partly him was the theology of ordination study committee was established to him once again studying the theology of women's ordination what does the Bible say so what the Bible say about women in leadership and three taking you through a very brief and very quick overview of some of the main issues on this CD that I keep talking about over there a lot more detailed there's a whole book approval things on the air with a waterlogged detail the items in my PowerPoint here I will have a slide out there of that actual theology of ordination study committee URL so you can go out and read for yourself everything that was said right there and presented right there at the committee there were some excellent papers that were dim and then there were some other papers all cells will want to talk about the beginning of the Bible him and what difference that you have with him and women's ordination and him and him and getting him all things and so establish all your doctrine really in Genesis and what into why this is important in a minute Genesis one twenty six to twenty eight is a very steep statements about his women and men and their role two thousand Genesis one twenty six and God said let us make man in our image after our likeness and let have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the or him over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth so God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him him in male and female created he them okay first thing will take underlying Enstar and suck all and make very clear is that men and women were created equal weight to have a very strong words a new series called ontological that means the essence of being okay means that males and females there were an equal work is not here and women are way down here now God created us both in his image this means that we are all equal as human beings together and there is no difference and we all agree both sides agree on this this point that we are all equal and fan shares very much and God site I want to also notice that there is a clear differentiation and it on androgyny MPEG-4 I mean by this is that there is made all and there is female to get me to males and he didn't make two females to get into being with them are white on some animal that has bisexual things you know he may soon separate sexes male and female they were not blinded there was a clear differentiation specialty design got always does everything just right hand of God created man in him just think for a minute on mass by steaming down and creating man out on the clay from him and him specifically a sculpture coming we are always just outside of how it works how many of us go into all the ball and hold the window months and everything inside the most marvelous thing our body was wonderfully made it happen was the super beautiful human being that God created for the later on remember about them were getting get into that was also made especially for and had special different designs follow complementary both important everywhere saying here is is crucial for this whole picture all vital and both are important and verse thirty one and Zavala by Spain and God saw everything that he had made and behold it was very he was satisfied I sold it all in Genesis two we get more snow more specifics here in verse two chapter two verse seven Genesis eight seven five formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul so him and I him and surround and realizes that he is alone verse eight the Lord God notices that any such amendments is not good that the man to be alone I will make an help meet for him him okay help me it is an aid to help her if you look at Ebenezer hitherto hath the Lord helped at the same Turkish helper is a compliment to and we work together as a helper as the other fitting part four part one plan may work together so beautifully and God created woman to work right alongside Manny noticed that it denotes function and not to be okay just because she is going to call a man does not mean that she has any left him out on it is ahead in the race and becomes responsible for all living things when you understand the time comes to them in the pool of the day and anything he needs come here I need to talk to about what happened today now he was at calling out him and him so he was responsible for all arrays of five fourteen is very strong and say never what you reigned from Adam to Moses did as they are leaving tomorrow first Corinthians that came twenty two for adding out all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive and so we find and embrace the representative of all peoples as they actually seeing how the universe at our white sands and great controversy page six forty seven is one of the most terrible sections I found this section and great controversy words start talking about the glories of the newer and what's happening and that it has seemed good to begin by saying the two atoms are about to meet the son of God it's standing with outstretched arms to receive the father of our race the being whom he created to send against his maker member who is then the marks of the crucifixion are born him the whole rehearing and is depicted they are so beautifully but notice there all the father of our race ahead of our race the representative one of our race that is spent seeing there is created in Genesis two twenty one to twenty three and twenty three South she was taken out of man and first Corinthians eleven eight said the same thing almost when we are talking about these things we don't just talk about one section we like to include Old Testament and New Testament all together to get a whole picture of what God is telling us in these things first twenty ten is that all the rim which the Lord God taken from man he made the young woman and brought her to the man down and pay attraction for patrons for profit forty six talks about how she was in a perfect different different roles determined by different equipment announced to be something obvious for us to understand but somehow it is not an obvious thing and so I want to make sure that we understand that there are role in it right from the beginning before sitting on everything are saying here is crucial to the discussion felt so strongly for you never are any roles because we were created different okay we had different roles and responsibility function was part of the creation was not a result of the fall him so that is what contracts and problems for you six thousand it was created from our taken from the side of Adam signifying she was not to control them at him him or to be troubled under his theme as an inferior petition in my hand side as an equal to be allowed and protected by family Larry talked about the quality and ontological equality seven I had not been inferior by his side to be equal to the love that's part of man on the phone SMS it was his second self showing the close union in the affection and attachment that should exist in this relationship five meeting beautiful and he caught himself called it very good she was himself a old roof unfortunately we don't always stand paralyzed rehab the following woman depicted in Genesis chapter three verses one to eight four one language shows us to leave the side of her husband part of the responsibility mentioned in patriarchs and prophets was that the husband was supposed that help protect your favorite toll will take to stay away from that trade and she left side of her husband and we already talked this morning about spiritualism type one you shall not surely die and you shall be as gods knowing good and evil spiritualism types to him and the woman who put the trade is good she took the fruit and ate it it was a conscious decision she was dismayed for us what picture arts and profits three says the Angels had caught you need to beware of separating herself from her husband while occupied in their daily labor in the garden with him she would be in less danger from temptation that if she were alone sort and are pleasing tasks he unconsciously wandered from his side on perceiving that he was alone she felt an apprehension of danger but him with her fears deciding she had sufficient wisdom and strength to bizarrely longer to withstand him and goes along with the text first Timothy two fourteen and was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression him now having that page are compartments if I says and now having herself transgressed she became an agent of Satan in working the ruin of her husband imagine the horror that is why came to him with her hand full of fruit from you that the most awful nightmare you could ever imagine here she comes him and see what is most precious to all of him said he did everything with her and now she knows the results of the aspect that she standing there seem to have just died you would die but she was standing there passively like this and that fruit and decides to go ahead so that he can be in solidarity with his wife and transgress him tall that a terrible choice but it was his choice and then we find in chapter three of Genesis occurs 's sister of course was given the first person Genesis three fifteen I will put them into between me and the woman between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise thy head and now shall bruise his heel this was the first promise of him told him that this whole nightmare that they had suddenly gotten into some sort of a resolution and to come out okay him and all that ever it would be the seed of the woman and the curses the woman are found in our chapter three verse sixteen into the woman he said I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and my conception in sorrow thou shall bring forth children in my desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over the so pain and conception and childbirth that the husband would rule over her and I I just like to point out one little thing here is is writing a scholarly older than the last few days which talks about how her first desire there is and how the person was saying that it could possibly mean that she wanted to be him see and would like to be in control him Lawrence that it would be more struggles in the marriage because instead of working together now they would now more struggles and fights and was cursed them and changed in nineteen eighty three was promised for the vessels him now and the big question in these curses as well as the curse all were a lot of people say well without the cross don't you know Jesus died on the cross that meant that curse is over and the victory is won and therefore the woman's curse is over but I would like to ask you our national forms of vessels for the birth of this in the resulting salvation additional forms as a spell pain in childbirth and the curse is over yet afraid how idea to submit to you is that the curse right over him or him him him and the great controversy is ended in controversy six seventy eight seconds winners are no more the entire universe is clean while Paul of harmony and gladness beats through the vast creation and is one of all over him even though the cross wasn't Fernandez had tremendous promise and it made the double very angry the curse was not over at the cross I just take a picture of the leadership in the Old Testament by precept and example whole Bible in that way and in Exodus twenty eight forty one and specified entries must be male and gives examples of those rebelling and aspiring to be leaders when not chosen of God we have no story tragic story in your human numbers twenty one with her leprosy for abatement of Byram who were swallowed and Y took that whole nation down with her wicked rule and the prophets three eighty four have the Lord indeed only spoken by Moses and Aaron Stern out for the right he might have checked the evil but instead showing Miriam the sinfulness of her conduct him to sympathize with her listening to her words of complaint came to share her jealousy Sarah and Miriam by their murmurings were guilty of disloyalty not only to their appointed leader but to God himself rebellion is a very serious thing that can experience for the fans rebelliousness without severe consequences and for all it was being sent out of the camp schnauzer each of these the camp was a very fearful thing there were wild animals or snakes it was I was all the horrible things you can imagine the whole nation of Israel was just terribly grieved they were just terribly sorry on that she survived and she came back in after her electricity was acquitted and she was forgiven and independent there's forgiveness and life the awakening and Chanel in the statement she went on Mary wonderful woman I know she wipes you have all the people singing up to the Red Sea there are so now what happened forgive Miriam to shoot she did something wrong back to us I think she learned her lesson is open to everyone New Testament idea but indeed it was not a majority in the Old Testament because a nexus nineteen five and six all it was called the Hebrews were kingdom of priests even though they were a kingdom of priests there were Levites that served as preview so it didn't mean that they were all officiating in the tabernacle is a very important distinguishing thing to understand it means that all of them had to go to God himself and God cherish them there was still a hierarchy about them with their Levites serving as their priests the New Testament had definite organization difference between the gifts and the role mean every person is held in the church just like in the Old Testament they still have Levites and priests means that all of us can serve the Lord as we talked about earlier means everyone is accountable to Jesus and there's no mediator let's get behind her leadership in the New Testament Jesus called male disciples and that he had what followers are all who helped there with Mary there were more than half are women who love Jesus and were so happy to follow him very beginning to think of her she was one of the only people withhold Jesus thank you the whole time he was here can you believe that nobody is to get Jesus except Mary and the leper came back to being him and him she was the only one that came and she poured all her life savings out on this we wiped them with her hair was saying thank you for a beautiful gift in first Timothy three two Paul says that elders must be mailed him off they will and that little more detail in the second year many women believers Lidia Dorcas all rights take a good look at what the qualifications for Elder actually are so let's turn over to the first committee three one two five is from Paul is is adopted and adopted son technically as well as sharing his last will testimony about what we can do in the house of the Lord him down in first Timothy three times he specifies who should be leaders in the church first here's as a bishop then must be blameless the husband of one wife vigilant sober of good behavior given to hospitality apt to teach us the husband of one wife hence the term having greater than a him all him him it is not anthropologists which is a generic term that can beat anybody once in a while and there is used to generically but if you go specifically through the context of all and their derivatives in these chapters you are overwhelmingly male you cannot do anything but death is so far as they were to be vigilant sober good behavior hospitality apt to teach not drunken relived while his house noticed that last thing while his house all welcome back to it a few one of the parallel passages units that if any be blameless the husband of one wife having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly again husband of one wife the Bible is specific the elder must be male and first amended chapter two Paul Henney tells them in verse nine they should be modestly addressed sufficiently adorned with modest apparel I need to learn silent stillness not contentiousness him down if you compare that with acts twenty two chair you understand what stillness actually means him with subjects without our submission as they suffer them not to teach him talk and then there's Titus to Eritrea five second Timothy three sixteen acts eighteen twenty six nor usurp authority over the man him and Marianne is achieved to a lot of what you are talking about here call it when the early and has wrote about this topic in trouble with him speaking in church for sharing Ellen White spoken church file save their bottom line was not to usurp authority which is in first Timothy two verse twelve font that seems to be the main issue their results are not to teach can be referred in regular teaching and his tireless to three we compare Scripture and Scripture remember this is Titus two three says women to be teachers of the things teach other women how to be good wives and keepers at home acts eighteen twenty six you have a lot of her sellout who took a polis policy along and expand in the way of the Lord more perfectly sold these areas examples of teaching so-called qualification is that they are not to usurp authority not to be in the headship position here so not usurping authority means not being in charge of over men are not to be asked to be elder or not to be pastors in charge of church as it does not mean not giving messages to Matt and Ellen White never an administrator or an elder but she gave messages from the two men talk about more about the qualifications first Timothy three two has been out one white notice the words hear him and it has had another works a lot like not being polygamists will believe so is it really irrespective of gender like some would have us now known as husband of one wife doesn't say why one has been in wife of one wife Kennedy had one is to sit here and say this is January their respective sound are okay because I immediately think you can't change what formulae you can change any of the formulae so that is really important to understand that the qualifications for elders is a godly father may learn from good job with his family and they all in beautiful harmony together and have a good home the Bible is specific the elder must be meal so imagining Argentina had the home and church first Timothy three four and five one that will well his own house having his child children in subjection with all gravity for a national not how to rule his house house so he take care of the Church of God parallel passage is in Ephesians five twenty one to twenty four that where the wife is in submission to the husband as the church is submissive to Christ notice the love and protection here in the submission and I want you to turn to this because a lot of people say this is only a passage talking about home life as husband is the head of the whole and not really looking for is Timothy three seventeen because it says it I carry long that thou may have know how shall I just behaved myself in the house of God which is in the church of the living God the pillar and ground of truth is clearly means that it has happened is about how we do church leadership it's not how you set up your home government that is another question although the default the same home because home is a small microcosm of what the church is the Bible is specific the elder must be mailed today him if I like the word submission him down that passage that is often quoted unlikely to turn there to Ephesians chapter five verse twenty one is Ephesians is beautiful section here talking about women and men and submitting in the whole verse twenty one it says submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God friends so people say all rated out why that was mostly about fibers most of them and it's not one to the other night fans that idea because the very next verse says wives submit yourselves to your own husband as unto the law I mean it's very specific it doesn't say he has been however you ever say husbands submit yourself to your wife and then the next actions is about children submitting themselves to their parents and section servants to their employer so that what is talking about here is not that you submit to their kids and employers to their slaves for husbands to their wives at the local session talking about how we all work was submitting to each other Annie goes on to define how the hell that supposed to work and so it's like that's happening on the different items on submission that will be following him tall submit is to be something subordinate our place under to come under to get them to not win every argument that is hard to stop society doesn't like that all of us need to submit to Jesus and the fear of God loving husband listened to their wives just even when she agreed she closes her mouth came in him various to him I was specific the elder must be made on him the qualification however Palmdale and I unto the Lord Colossians three eighteen says wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as is fit in the Lord him and children obey your parents in the low 's right submission does not mean to be trampled upon because there needs to be righteous authority here the husbands are to love their wives and are not at liberty to mistreat them Ephesians five twenty five to thirty three there were all clear on that parents are not to provoke their children to wrath by using parental authority Ephesians six four Masters are not to use authority to threaten servants because they too are serving fusion six nine have come into the war there is a righteous authority five a.m. this section because of time constraints I was given a talk about Deborah and if any of you have any questions about Deborah julienned some of these other people I am happy to talk to you later about them I saw times in a rush on here because I do want to play that video for you theology of ordination study committee and three positions were forwarded at at their conclusion the first position was at the Bible stands for male leadership against they were against women's ordination to the ministry resending women elders since the headship role in ordination without regard to gender as regions make their own choice that was positioned to that is for ordination notice without regard to gender three even though the Bible says elders should be made out this is often whether an option and bring him different things about it even though the Bible says elders should be made out the Bible accommodates that the position goes in other words when the people of Israel requested that she had thought was not for them but culminated in him so we should allow for less than ideal situations and allow regional choice style and practicality position number two and position number three car the same even though the way you get there is completely different so oh three the only one that's really against women's ordination impracticality is position number one now my question for you is by every word doing his culture to change meanings of literal words of Scripture culture today inspires her drinks we talked about that on Sabbath to hold rival interpretation method is that him determine group will not take no for an answer if you this question keeps coming about him I'm not color our whole views of the church handlebar work all of us like we talked about this morning are to be working for the Lord and not get so hung up over the ordination question that we get discouraged in life three and let's not let the double desk to be discouraged or angry or disappointed that we look out because we know our production is set out and ever before because it's all going to come to a close soon all of us can work together both in and women and women without ordination nobody says that they have to be ordained from putting up a couple of them down quickly I can put this back up to for your I share him I highly recommend ordination truth .com it might be .org I'd have to check that out and thinking it might be a dog reward him sites out there are different claims that they are on all kinds of different subjects there are many many papers up there it's a really good place to get ahead important information on papers can be found in the archives and video little strange characters don't worry because if you go out there you can literally turn of hunt and peck around eventually find where those wallpapers are the consensus statements are all there there's January twenty thirteen Jeff July twenty thirteen January twenty fourteen in June twenty fourteen there were four tossed papers so those are some of the links that you can be looking for him I promised you I would him and him oh Justin Molson try that again and that when I would show you my husband and I tried very hard to keep the time here to raise the things I tell this is my husband giving his response to the request from North American division to allow each division to ordain women as they desire him to attract nineteen ninety five and from English to him and it is awesome location and him let us praise him to him singes him such a heartless whatever we do maybe to your glory the native Sabina had a meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sex him for Lord and Savior and Redeemer amen will stay in strongly simple the involvement of women in God 's work him and women have unique game is needed to finish it where they can reach people may can never even doing with the any beauty grace I similarly immediately standardize Ruby and eighty one season dilemma editor to space some years ago the annual Council voted and women ordained as elders can perform all the duties of voting is yet to cannot be ordained as ministers but the result is that you have no one really likes him and some of the Lutheran Church unfair discrimination and injustice how do you mean out to get resolve the dilemma and preserve the unity of the church two options were cited identity residence first of all to reverse unit to begin ordaining beginning ordaining women set out a second option will get a division at the freedom to ordain women as ministers in the NAV Catskills and the second option they sincerely believe that this is the way to preserve human him why cannot I get I don't support his assuming because they list openings in all not biblical doctrine this first of all the open of the church the doctor of the holy Scriptures and the Dean of the unity to believers in order to understand it similarly we have to seem to fool limitations of this request is not simply a metal in unity and confidence in the promising that women for special or can be made of atoms in La Paz and within menswear you know is you is the ordination to want that he is in and filled requests presented major change even in a doctor 's leadership and dignity gently gently melt seventy and it is viewed in the Bible is clear differences in function between men and women he didn't turn into storms in the diet allows women who occupy positions of spiritual community such as that local church will result in CUNY president of the uncle whose business now how are we going to evaluate these regressive and the question is the atheist friends who will compete what is not all about the queen of this is by community leaders do not say that he did a lot of testimony and angel and unspeakable injuries were reported now we seventies out that important because about one hundred to what will receive lots of tensions not really self is that I must be upset every doctrine and practice noticing and strategists you want to enable living producing design versus fiend including the one this afternoon and so all we needed a significant grant us to practice on the point seeing ministerial leadership being nice church said at a grand piano who serves God 's word must be a focus we nodded I search him out interestingly but he is young and I was the about if anything gets going that's what we have to face out in the next few minutes is the question is that I will speak to did question the right of women to occupy positions of leadership with full weekly Jessica without it is a phrase that is needed of focusing associates with coordination let people that have been exerting the music video about your ex is trying to draw leaving for mind and a subordinate informal such as the abolition of slavery women's rights and media templates these wildly normal within your posts that will night rejected the women's right why is it underlines that will allowed to join a movement in Dayton women's right to my Israel separated all women to be decided him distributed in which it can do one or cannot be in harmony together what this is the descriptors outplaying litigations and rights for men and women so does the Bangladeshis issue what descriptors they found his and him and feel it is not only will you see eighty dollars I will repeat it up in the church that is in the middle of the dynamics want to do so the relationship between men and women engages first of all truly quality powerful nature and worth people Genesis creative unit in major Internet and women are related to dealings of God secondly in where created revealed and before go see God still no partiality because we all want me to do and that is needed to busy displaying or even is neither male or female football base we all however man and women do same in every seven why does the Bible is believed on the study of the Bible and I use that in the same value and standing before God that idiot wind in the functional role in the North American division regrets over Nokes this fundamental type of teaching civility that I physically present in him this is our situation is due to message to the unity universal dignity is everyone because it is it is a message footage or reasoning an inspiration to us University of the entity will students know what adopting out gave me to vagueness which caused disputes about an authentication and soda will provide counsel out to rescue surges from division and had assumed things that Asian gave your plan is not only what a person is not doing increasingly upward insureds or fraudulent return inspiration says again by ranking these inspected to you so that you may know how you all to behave in the church limiting guns that are Hitler then the tooth is now analyze invisible the principles of authority in the church and he said something similar at the amazing today is the basis for women executive free poetic freedom to exercise this beer Jill had to build and church all these loads us with I do not permit a woman to have and what does the Bible get it about the great plan for spiritual hits you yesterday major biblical arguments first of all we don't usually audit before default all bases his first real reason follow Christ's Sharon him what is significant to him Dave says he had a Moscow verse Danny is interesting that 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