GYC 2013: Before Men and Angels

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Generation. Youth. Christ. (GYC)

GYC 2013 Seminar: Daniel: Defining Adventism's Role in the Great Controversy

Joe Kim

01-Daniel, a Witnessing Book: Turning Many to Righteousness

This message was presented at the DYC 2013 conference, Before Man and Angels, in Orlando, Florida.

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These powerheads, our Father, Too many people have sung this song and then been laid to rest.

And I want to be in the midst of the verse when I see you coming in the clouds.

We've heard rumors that there are trials and tribulation.

But Father, in your mercy, you've told us what lies ahead in your word and scripture.

I ask for the sending of your Spirit in this place, that you might give us understanding.

Lord, if we've learned this topic before, and we are in error in some places, give us the miracle to change our minds.

If we have not heard these topics, and it's going a little bit above our heads, grant us the miracle of comprehension.

We thank Thee Lord that the Holy Spirit speaks through me.

We thank you that the Holy Spirit teaches the listener and that way today there will be perfect communication.

We ask for these gifts in the name of Jesus Christ, our Savior.

I'm going to give a couple of preliminary announcements while she hands out, Liz hands out some cards, okay?

Again, I only printed about 50 or 60, so she's just going to start from the front and pass them out really, really quickly, so we'll pass these out.

While she's passing those out, I don't sell a thing, okay?

I do have books for the serious Bible student.

So anyone that goes to all, I'm not trying to trick you to come to all the lectures.

Anybody who goes to all the first 5 completely, I have a set of books that, I have 3 of them, and then they are yours to keep.

I don't know how to do it yet, so I'll probably just put in a basket the names of those that have gone to the first 5.

And I haven't figured out how to pick it out, I guess pick it out of the box.

If you're not really interested, I'll be honest with you, just for a sake, and you sit here to kind of listen, that's okay, but if you could just not put your hand in the books, I mean, the bag, so that people who may be real interested in prophecy and study of it can possibly get them to go home with some books, okay?

I haven't read too many issues that cover current issues better than this book here.

And so, we hate issues, but they're in our church, and you know they are, there are, about prophetic issues.

You want concise material this day and age, and it's concise.

Many of you have read Elder Fiedler's books.

These are 2 of his books, Hindsight and De Sozo.

I love practical application of prophecy and history and what it means to us.

I love the study of history and how it impacts our lives.

And so De Sozo and Hindsight, it gives us guidance.

And lastly, Edwin de Kock's Christ and Antichrist.

He actually has a 3 part series about 666, truth about 666.

It's very large and so I didn't carry it with me.

Okay, so this plus a 3 part series, or a 3 section series on 666, okay.

I have 3 whole sets of those 7 books, okay?

So please, don't let them sit and rust, okay, and collect dust at your home.

Whoever does, get them, again, whoever goes the first 5 lectures, I take it you're probably pretty serious about daniel and so it's for you okay so I have 3 sets 3 people tomorrow going to go home with them okay daniel 5 after the fifth lecture tomorrow And it says in Revelation chapter 10, in verse 2, he had a little book and what does it say it is?

In the original it says, having been opened, It goes on to say this, that He had His foot on the sea and His left foot on the earth.

And then it says in verse 6, And He swore by Him that liveth forever and ever, who created heaven.

It says, and he said unto me, excuse me, 8, and the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again and said, go and take the little book which is open.

What books are there in the Bible that it's just referred to as a book?

There's Daniel's Seminar, I guess it's intuitive.

There was something that wasn't quite called a book, but I think it was a book in Revelation 4 through 6.

Seals, which that's how their books were back then, right?

We have an angel with a little book in his hand, now it's open.

And he swears by him who liveth forever and ever.

Lastly, he says there'll be time no longer.

So there's an angel, 1 hand up, lifts the other hand, excuse me, lifts 1 hand, a book in the other hand, and he swears by him that lives forever and ever, and then he declares there's time no longer.

Turn in your Bibles, you already know the answer.

No clock in here, I'm gonna have to use my watch and put it out here.

When is this session supposed to end, by the way?

I am a time-aholic, and so I'll try to keep that time as best I can.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book.

Now in Revelation 10 we have an open book.

In Daniel 12 we have a sealed book until the time of the end.

In Revelation chapter 10, we have a book that's open and this angel says around this time there's gonna be time no longer.

This in Daniel 12, we have a book that's closed until the time of the end.

So we have an open book at time no longer, closed book, till there's time no longer.

If you read in verse 8, he repeats himself.

Then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed to the time of the end.

Now I want to show you something interesting.

And I heard the man closed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and he swore by him that what?

Does language sound familiar, by the way?

02-Daniel 7: The Investigative Judgment, Men Before Angels

Our Father, you made the mind, you created the chemistry, you know what makes us tired, you know what perks up our energy.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will affect our biochemistry today, that we may be able to endure, that we will enjoy what we read, that you will block out those things that distract us.

We thank Thee, Lord, that You are the greatest instructor, and through a faulty instrument such as myself, Your name will be glorified.

We ask for these gifts, we pray in the name of Jesus.

This 1 you'll really have to be able to see the board.

And so I still haven't figured out the logistics and how everyone's gonna see the board here.

And so is this the angle that most people can see it?

Or Do I have to turn it a certain way, this board?

Okay, by the way, those of you listening on AudioVerse, again, that's tinyurl.com forward slash DanielTalks.

The studies will not be covering completely, so that's just for your own studies.

The table of contents, same thing, that's to help to navigate through the studies.

The study outline is what you want to pull up right now if you're listening on audioverse.com.

The study outlines what you want to pull out.

And you just want to do the appropriate study for each talk.

After the convention today, Late at night, you saw the booths.

By the way, you're going to need sleep for Daniel 11, by the way.

I don't know how, because it's a tunnel, but you got lost on the way to Hilton.

You were outside, and you hear a gunshot, and you hear, help, help.

And against your better judgment, you shouldn't run towards gunshots.

You hear the help, help, So you run to an alley where someone is moaning and dying.

And you get to the alley, and you see a man with a gun in his hand, and it's still smoking.

You see a man on the floor, and he's bleeding through his chest.

And then the police come right after, they're all over the place here, and they come right afterwards, the sirens and everything.

Put your hands up, and you're sitting there as a bystander, and they notice that you're a bystander, they pull you aside, and they ask you, what did you see?

And you can assume everything from that, can't you?

And it's called the great, it's called investigative judgment.

We're holding it in our hand and it's smoking.

If you go up online, I don't recommend this if you're a novice in Adventism or prophecy, but if you go online and you type in Seventh-day Adventism cult, you will see some things.

You will see Ellen White, maybe about some rooms in the sanitarium, and a shut door.

You will see things like day-year prophecy, but certainly you will see the investigative judgment.

You will see it, or it's not really a legit site.

These Adventists, they prophesied once, at least twice, and sometimes a third time that Jesus would be coming back.

And this is the greatest cover-up in the history of time.

They came out that same year and made this prophetic lineage line and states that, oh, Jesus went somewhere else, not earth.

And out came the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

And 1 of the greatest authors, proponents of the investigative judgment, he actually refuted and said, I don't believe that anymore.

1 of the greatest authors of the landmark papers of the investigative judgment, Hilde Crosier.

We have a mountain of circumstances against us.

Excuse me, I forgot to turn on 1 microphone.

I am not, I'm just going to say it, I'm not used to being recorded, unless the government is recording me and I didn't know it.

By the way, I have no credentials, by the way, to speak.

And so I don't have a MD, I don't have a PhD or a master's, an MDiv.

So this is great for you, because everything I say, you have to test the truth by the Bible.

Because It's not true because Joe Kim said it, because it doesn't matter what Joe, it literally doesn't matter what Joe Kim says.

I know Pastor Finley goes up there and says sometimes, it doesn't matter what Pastor Finley says, but it does to me because I love the man.

It doesn't really matter what Joe Kim says because I'm a nobody.

So everything I said you really should test by the Bible and Scripture.

But anyway, we have a mountain of circumstance, and 1 chapter saying that we're right, and 1 chapter we misinterpreted, and the world is saying, what did you see?

We're going to turn the tables on that today.

You will walk out of this room today, you will, if you stay awake, with a molehill of circumstance.

In fact, that circumstance is actually prophesied in Habakkuk in Revelation 10, by the way, you know that, right, in Hebrews.

And now just a mountain of evidence, mountains of clear, concise, unambiguous evidence that you will understand today.

If you don't, you're welcome to talk a little bit more with that in mind.

Has there ever been a prophecy in the Bible where people played a part of, but got it wrong?

They were actually in the prophecy itself, but they misinterpreted the prophecy.

Jesus is riding upon a cola full of a donkey or an ass, and what were they saying?

Hosanna, Son of David, Hosanna, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." And what did the Pharisees say?

You've got to stop this guy from talking like this.

For if they didn't talk, then the Stones and rocks would cry out.

The prophecy must be fulfilled Now, let me tell you something Just because they misinterpreted the prophecy of the Messiah's first coming.

Just because they misinterpreted Jesus' death on the cross, does that mean he didn't die for us?

Just because it was misinterpreted that Jesus is coming back, does that not mean he's coming back?

I'm not saying evidence yet, but we have biblical proof that people who misinterpret it does not mean that it won't happen.

03-Daniel 8 & 9: The Shadow and the Cross

Our Father, we thank you for the blessed hope.

I'll ask that you'll take the food we just had, turn it into glucose quickly, send it to our brains, send it to our forebrains that we might understand, Send it to our temporal lobes that our emotions might be right.

Send it to our memory that we will remember these things.

We ask for your Holy Spirit to bless these efforts, For the human mind is so weak, but you are the teacher.

We invite that presence in this place today.

Some of this will be repetitive because some will be listening for the first time on Audiverse.

And so again, the lectures are all on tinyurl.com forward slash Daniel Talks.

What you will see in that will be all 6 studies.

You cannot follow the studies with these talks, they're just more information.

It's like giving you a small book, it's about 150 pages.

On that link You will also have, you'll see something that says table of contents, obviously that just is the table of contents to these studies that you can go home and find things quicker, because it's not verse by verse.

And then lastly, what you will see is study outlines.

If you're at home, You'll want to have a study outline in front of you.

Just like you in the audience have study outline number 3 for today's talk, our talks will be following pretty much the study outlines.

And so you'll have a study outline in front of you and the talks, and that will pretty much get you through this talk.

Now you want to probably listen to these in order.

We left you off on our last talk about Daniel 7.

And we again 3 times, little horn, persecutes, judgment, and then the end.

There was a scene in which the father was on his throne and this curious mention was made of wheels.

And where it takes us is to Daniel 8, the day of atonement.

We talked about judgment in the last lecture, we're gonna talk about Daniel 8.

Now, some of you in this room, in about 4 minutes, you won't like me.

Maybe about 1 or 2 of you, maybe, if my experience is correct.

In about 3 more minutes After that, maybe about 3 or 4 of you in this room, you won't like me.

But the ones who previously didn't like me will like me again.

And then the rest of you will be thinking, what in the world is he talking about?

The ones that know what I'm talking about, you're going to say, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't like this guy.

The ones that know what I'm talking about, you're gonna say, oh yeah, yeah, I don't like this guy.

Fortunately, you have a speaker today with 0 credentials.

Only credential I have is the Word of God.

And so I have to be subject to the same criteria as any other speaker you listen to, including Elder Wilson tomorrow and Elder Finley in his talks today and tomorrow and Sabbath.

And so I have 0 credentials to speak except by the word of God.

I am not a very interesting person, I'd say that proudly, but the Bible makes it interesting.

I'm a very quiet person, believe it or not, but the Bible makes me speak.

And I really have nothing to say that would make people pay to travel to hear me speak.

But the Bible says people are traveling east and north for the word of God, and you have.

Unfortunately, it's before the time that Amos was big enough, by the way.

The theme of Daniel 7 is who will you serve?

The theme of Daniel 8, let's talk about that.

In Daniel 8, you read about, sorry about my artwork, I can't do artwork either.

You read about a ram, this is a little ram horn.

You read about a ram, then you read about a goat.

Then you read about this little horn that was broken up into 2 parts.

You read about the daily and what that word is daily is in the notes it's just a simple word Hebrew word Tahmid means continual and it's followed by a word sacrifice, which was supplied, as Ellen White said, and we recognized it.

The altar, you continually sacrifice things.

The bread was continually, I put references in the studies, was continually present before God.

The lampstands were continually burning, Tamid.

The incense was continually burning as well, ascending before God, and the priest continually had bore the sins and names of Israel on their forehead and on his breastplate.

That's Tamid, Every single time from Exodus 25 to 30.

So you have a daily ministry or continual ministry.

Some people are starting to hate me already.

And then you have records of sins in the sanctuary.

Do you all remember where the records of sin were in the sanctuary?

Oh, by the way, keep in mind, someone will confront you about this.

Oh, the sanctuary and this record sanctuary wasn't...

How can we clean with blood and all that stuff?

Remember, dirty and sinful blood, according to Ezekiel 28, 18, defiles the sanctuary.

By the way, okay, you'll, tuck that away, you'll wanna know that a little bit later, somewhere down the road, okay?

That's why Jesus cleanses with his blood, our blood defiles, by the way, okay?

Anyway, you have, excuse me, ram, he goat, 4 horns, here and here.

I'm pointing to the sanctuary for those listening.

You have a daily ministration of the high priest, continual.

And you have the record of sin, or we call it transgression.

This, my friends, is Daniel 8 in a nutshell.

You have the ram who is verse 20, exactly, Medo-Persia.

The goat who is Greece, verse 21 in chapter 8.

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GYC 2013 Seminar: Daniel: Defining Adventism's Role in the Great Controversy

01-Daniel, a Witnessing Book: Turning Many to Righteousness

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01-Daniel, a Witnessing Book: Turning Many to Righteousness

49m

02-Daniel 7: The Investigative Judgment, Men Before Angels

57m

03-Daniel 8 & 9: The Shadow and the Cross

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04-The Sniff Test: Preterism, Futurism, and Other Bad Fruit

58m

05-Daniel 11: The Sabbath Controversy, Before Men and Angels

51m

06-Daniel 2: Lift Up the Trumpet!

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