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Best Fertilizer Sourcing

Shawn Speidel


The world is all mixed up since the flood. Boron, selenium, and copper, to name a few, are concentrated in few areas of the world while most farmland and gardens are deficient. Your soil, organic as it may be, may need a nutrient lacking from your region to make life happen. How do you even get a safe product to suit that need? How do you purchase small amounts to truckloads. This class will go over nutrients needed for plant and animal health (to our knowledge) in the safest and best ways. Expect to see practical, hands on measuring and mixing of nutrient inputs and please bring your compost samples (with a nutrient analysis) for discussion. Simply put, if a nutrient is needed, it is added, and when not needed, it is best not to add. 


Shawn Speidel

Farm Manager at DayStar Adventist Academy in Utah.



  • November 12, 2015
    4:00 PM
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My name is Sean spite Al I'm from cast a Valley farms. When the farm manager there. And we are going to talk about sourcing fertilizers this can be a real pain. If you have a quantity and. You need to get a certain. You don't need it's been an arm and a leg. So I'll do my best to go over just some of the basic ingredients to get your soil kind of balance. And you know we'll just talk about all sorts of things appear on the table in front of me. Are a bunch of fertilizer ingredient. This is you would need all these ingredients but these are some of these are just examples of what would be needed. A lot of times. You know when it's all said and done you come up with a blend in the blend. Is what goes on the field. So this thing has about five or six different ingredients in it. According to this soil test that was foaled. Why don't we though before we get really rolling let's start with prayer. Heavenly father we want to thank you for this day. We thank you for this agricultural conference in the possibilities that it brings to your church and your people. I pray Lord that you just be with are the leaders behind the scenes and you'd be with her and. The all the volunteers the students Lord. And just blessed in the mighty way. We love you. And we want to serve you in our most nutritious capacities. And your name. Humans. So the reason that I feel to use. Fertilizers is to improve our for our nutrition. You know and improve another person's nutrition to have food that stores Well that doesn't rot and storage that. You know that last a long time that actually does her body a lot of good. Where we can actually eat less of it and it produces more for us to take less energy to actually digest. On the first flight here. These are basically the nutrient sources that we have available there might be a few that I forgot major groups but you have the. The vegetable compost. So plant based composts you have animal waste. You have. What already starting in this poll I want to I want to key in on this that there's always something starting in the soil. Always. It's not like a party mix. You have what's coming in on your water do you have calcium give it magnesium give a lot of chloride. Are you in a place in the Central Valley in California where it's a lot of boron. You know some of these things are large considerations. You have another source is concentrates they get mine didn't resign from either the earth. The air or the water. So from the earth. You know would be something like well. Mano monium phosphate you take something out of the air. And you take something mind out of the earth and you create a fertilizer. So you take nitrogen out of the air. And you take phosphate mined out of Idaho or Utah or. Wyoming. So that's typically what people think of what fertilizer is either compost or the granular fertilizers and then there's also something to consider is what's unavailable in the ground. As you as your balance are so you'll notice that a lot of times nutrient levels increase. Because there's more biological life. So some of that does become available. So the gold is so fertility is to create real nutritional food. I think this is really important for the time we live in. It's not enough to produce bulk. We have to have proven nutrition. Be the best examples of stewardship and husbandry possible. I mean this is the world that the Lord has given us. You know we need to make it beautiful. Be financially solvent. And I think you can do that better with nutrition. Nutrient dense food then you can with struggling with insects and diseases. Have more funded and more success. In live without regret. So you know. You know it's just like a home we're trying to build a home for the microbes. But it really. If we has been the sole right it turns back and feeds us and start the health message from the ground up. I think that the. That's a large one right there. So here's the way that I have you this. It's not going to be one hundred percent accurate. It's probably not even going to be totally accurate but if you look at inverse six or Genesis two versus X. This is how nutrients used to flow. But there went up a mist from the earth in water the whole face of the earth. Now. My mind is doing it like you have this mist underground That's coming up it's kind of like a perfect Stubber geisha in system. It's carrying nutrients along with the mist and it's coming right to the plant roots. And along with that you have the microbes that are feeding things to the plants as well. This is the. This is before. Man was formed. We don't have this now. But this is the way it was all the supplies I'm going to try to put it together as a P.D.F. so we can. You can all have access to and because they're going to be way more information and there's going to be some things on here that you're going to be squinting and not being able to see have already looked through here and I didn't realize how grainy it would look up on here I think so. So do plants and human nutrients appear in balance and also is today. Kind of a rhetorical question but you know they really don't you know if they did there would be no localized deficiencies in people or animals. You wouldn't have. You know like for instance back in Missouri. At World War two time you know they had some soldiers had better teeth and other soldiers at the same state. Those orders. Obviously have worse so than the northern part of Missouri. Which is tall grass prairie. I guess I'd say obviously but that's not obvious. Trees and that don't necessarily indicate a healthier soil. No this is my little valley that's my little boy. Malakai. This is our. This is what our home looks like it doesn't totally show it because this little dark on the on the south that of the canyon there but it's basically you can see that the world really did get destroyed. We have centrally we live in this world that's really him balance. Really imperfect. Really destroyed and. You know it's just like ask if we don't recognize our spiritual deficiencies than you know the Lord is really good at showing us. But we're essentially at a at a point in history where we really have to make our nutrition happen. You know if we really want to live in the in the country I think it's time right now. To build up some land. So that he can carry us. You know the Lord can always provide. I don't discount that but. It's like building your house. You know does the Lord Himself stand if you two by fours. So you can put your frame your wall. Does he know drill holes and string your wire. You know there's there's things that he's given us to do. It says in every living tub since was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground. Both man and cattle and a creeping things. And the foul of the heaven. And they were destroyed from the earth. And no only remained alive. And they that were with him in the ark. I think we have this idea. Sometimes where the flood really didn't destroy the earth like it just kind of like. There's a bunch of water and then it kind of drained off that there's there's quite a few differences now than what we had before. Anybody know what this new trend deficiency is. Which ones. Not nitrogen. Anybody know. Anybody know if a leaf is. Yet the maple to. It's a red maple. The potassium actually could be partly causing the deficiency of the other nutrients. It could be because of I know how much. This is a picture out of Oregon. So in the. Well Emma valley of Oregon they. You know they have. They grow but shade trees. You know the red maples is light. Everywhere. So my question to you is will your compost completely fix the alleviate it or make it worse. The. And my my answer is it may so do you know what nutrients your compost is actually adding. I love compost folks. But I see it misused a lot and I've pulled enough samples off of organic pieces to know that it it. It's so easy to accidentally way over apply compost. It's a natural thing. You know the phosphorus get super high. The potassium get super high and compost are totally variable one will have like four hundred pounds per tonne of calcium another one will have like twenty six you know something like that. I mean these are large differences. So I'll give you the answer. Both of these are manganese. The one on the left is a moderate deficiency. The one on the right is a major deficiency. So there's a concept out there called on the nutrient deficiency curve. About hidden hunger or there's a there's a point you can't even tell that a plan to starving. But it is starving. The one on the left is not hidden hunger it's just beyond hidden hunger. So it into the visible deficiency. The one on the right. Is extreme hunger the plant is starving for negatives. A lot of growers though. Will see this and they'll put on iron. You know which actually makes the problem worse. Because the to compete against each other so this is just I'm using this as an example that sometimes we can look at a plantain unless we're super familiar with the. We don't know really what's wrong with that. But all of the red maple varieties. You know they they come from bog soils which typically have ultra high levels in Maine guineas. So they're not really efficient at taken at making a knees. So one thing to consider in the world that we live in today is the concept of local food I have a. I have a problem. I like local food. But producing. Everything you need to supply into that local food producing system. I think it's going to be really difficult. You know Boron is mind. Out of these various countries and then sold. We need Boron Boron moves. Start from the least into the fruit it helps to make it sweet. And it makes your corn longer. It makes your growing points not Diana. In a deficiency. But even in the United States you know you see the United States is all in pink and we think well. There's a lot of boron here will still ninety percent of the soil samples are deficient. On Boron and. Boron is needed in our joints it's needed to prevent rheumatoid arthritis. It's needed for sex hormone production in the parathyroid gland. So this just shows you know. You know that there's all these different countries the very few of them are supplying Boron. I don't know of a way. Unnatural way other than just mining it and delivering it to get the boron there. Here's another example you have think you know these are the countries that were zinc is coming from. Probably our best source here in the United States is coming from a company called Think. National out of Mexico. It's just on the northeast part of Mexico that a lot of the stuff out of China can be pretty high cadmium. So I'd watch out for that. And then this map shows Cobalt where Cobalt is coming from what. Vitamin in our body has cobalt in the center. And why is it important to us how the twelve. And why is it important. If I know more answers about it than I do. It's to say you know I when I started pulling soul test and I started looking at Boron are up. Cobalt and molybdenum because there to really trace elements. There was a lot of them that required one or the other or both. Years down and Columbia didn't actually seem too bad as that Cobalt that was good. Years is not bad. I would not be too concerned about that but a lot of them. Like money soils eight point zero three. You know it's like. But they run. Cattle on the land. So I'm wondering if there's another Cobalt source that they're getting. But on our farm it's pretty low. We need Cobalt to prevent pernicious anemia. You know I don't believe we need to be eating liver to get the Cobalt where to Kenya late in the body but we do need Cobalt. How many farmers. Do you think actually put Cobalt on the soil. Hardly hardly hardly any hardly any. I mean. I mean you're like the select Do you even hearing those there's hardly any there's there's some. I dressed. Type of fertilisers. There's some seed coatings that use Cobalt but it in terms of building the Cobalt level in the soil. There's there's hardly anybody. So there's all. There's all sorts of things I love Cobalt. You know so much. But what I just put on five pounds for a car every year for the next ten years. It doesn't make a lot of sense. So they're stunned sometimes there's things that are viewed as like the over bowl of. You know I like copper sulphate does great things to prevent cracking and allows the bark to stretch. You know I like. You know potassium sulphate but when you reach a limit. You reach a limit. So there's all sorts of things that are great tools. But they can be misused. Anybody knows that's wrong so my advice is to find the easiest and safest material to take your soil. Toward health because it will take your family toward health too I will warn you that all in one fertilizers. Typically can be used wrong you didn't realise it had this other ingredient in it. You know like for instance calcium it's not required to put it on the label. In all cases. You know so you can build up calcium by using the certain product and not realise you're doing it. So in a Tennessee can be a little it's more somewhat a little bit as good. The more must be better. And it worked this year so it's going to work every single year. There isn't definitely certain things like. You know if for one year it works really good to use this product. You know you want to do it in do it and do it and do it. But the problem is you will reach a limit. I guess my other advice is just keep everything. As simple as you can. If you can go to the raw ingredients in just add the ingredients in. And then we'll discuss the carbon issue later. So one. The thing that's most often overused is compost. You know where it's kind of the square peg round hole scenario. You're trying to force something to make it work you've got it under tight it's free. It's available. It's black It looks great there's organisms growing in it. In a lot of tools. You do need compost. But in a lot of soils that have been receiving manures for years and years and years on end. Your health actually goes down. Animal Health you can kill animals the type of task him. High potassium and sodium. So. But I am not against compost. I just want to make that clear I just want to show you this is the one thing that typically gets over you used it a lot of times it could just be easier just ask small scale. Until you get a good compost composting system just do without compost until because you can make the phosphate up elsewhere you can make it a happy in the elsewhere. And you get a good quality. Crop out of it. So this is an example of a soil sample I pulled in Colorado this is a cotton I'm going to call a compost. Disabled. Oil. This is a debate that's aeration. The big problem on the soil is your base. You hardly see that cane your base that aeration on potassium. Is twelve point one percent basically. That's way too high. That's way too high you start. You know locking out manganese. This grower. This grower. You know commented that. I think her exact words were You know it's just not growing the way used to grow. You know she was getting. She was getting the newer trucked in from a range range. Fed cattle in eastern Colorado. And she just said it's just not growing as well as it used to the compost has a tendency to imbalance calcium and magnesium a lot of times the magnesium raises. And while doing that the Calton drops. Compost typically makes extremely high potassium. Especially with vegetable compost and extremely high phosphate with maneuvers especially cattle manure and it makes really low copper. In the plant so copper is needed for. Fungal protection in the plant. It's needed I don't know how it's used in the humans but there's some good research from animal science at Colorado State University on the need for copper. But the soil science people in the animal science people don't get together and discuss that. So there's there's actually dissertations on the need for copper but they won't recommended in a lot of times and in Colorado. So the compost is typically just this is the big take home for it is typically a better phosphate and potassium fertiliser than a nitrogen fertilizer. So my advice this test the compost and see how much if any your soil can actually take. I do believe there's a natural law. I went over this in the last course but I do believe there's you know how David says you know I love your law. I believe that could even apply to the natural system as well you know it's like if we you know if you live in North Dakota the law is. It's going to get super cold. And you better be bundled out and you better have enough food on hand. If you're in tech this is kind of now. You know it'll get cold for a day. But you know so the laws are a little different place to place but it still is like our bodies you know it's like my body is not much different than your body really. It requires good. Complete nutrition and a big warning in a nutrient excess. That is a lot harder to fix than a nutrient shortage. Not as bad on potassium because that can move out of the soil that can be leech of oil. But on this next example. When the fox they get to twelve hundred. Twelve hundred pounds and it should be at seven fifty this is really one grower say it doesn't grow as well as that used to. In this. You know she probably had a shortage of phosphorous and she was fine the manure and doing really well and wanted to keep doing it because she was doing so well but it's kind of like. Going too fast on a motorcycle over a ramp you know you can just wish you had gone a little slower and stay if there's anything else that really needs to be said that. I'm putting a lot of words on here. Not to overload you but just so there's enough information that if somebody picks this thing up. They can kind of digest it. And there's enough information to go by. But this I will say this. This fox data twelve twenty two. I don't know of anybody that can reduce that number down to make the plant. Uptake the trace nutrients like it used to. If anybody ever knows of a way I'm happy to listen to it but I thought I don't know how it's done. I'm sure the Lord knows there must be a way. So souls are not like baking. Bacon starts with ingredients here. And you have an empty bowl there where this shows up really I set my screen. And you move the ingredients into the bowl. And you've got your You're thing baking no essentially. Well it all doesn't work that way. We start with love. Varying levels of all the different ingredients. And by looking at it by looking at the color or smell or whatever you can't you can't tell by looking at the plants growing around you can kind of get an idea but you can't get a really full idea. So this is a picture of our soil test. The big two things that the soil test tells you is your bolts on it. You know how much. What is your exchange capacity of that soil. The way that soils work is you have all these clay particles. And even stand. Will have these negative bites all the way around them. And the cattle and the positively charged particles you know the calcium magnesium potassium sodium. They latch on to the negative site. You know because positive than negative. Combined. So the more sites do you have. The higher your your bowl side. You know it's like a difference between a five gallon bucket and a teaspoon. You know there's some saw that look like clays in the Ozarks. But it can hardly hold any nutrients. Hardly that that would be a case for compost and means so you can actually build some kind of exchange capacity. So this oil is our garden soak at seventeen point one four Milli equivalent. That's the medium textured So that's kind of a that's kind of a nice point to be at I think you know it has very in levels of ingredients. Some are excessive. Some are adequate Some are needed. And then I just wanted to remind again for the Fuehrer's you know baking starts with nothing in the bowl. The oil start with various Bowl sizes. And all sorts of nutrient loads and imbalances. So you're putting nutrients into a soil bank account to kind of create food reserves in a home. Centrally through chemistry you can affect the home for the microbes. You can affect whether that you know if you just put on it all you did was put on magnesium sulfate and you just put it on and put it on and put it on and put it on a safe as that is you tighten it all right up. People that drill wells know these things. You know there's. Clay chemistry is very predictable. As one man said. You can't manage what you can't measure. So there's a lot of truth to that. To that as well. It doesn't mean we can't observe been and make some judgments. So these are the best fertiliser ingredients. I'll just kind of go through them. As I can find them. Ammonium soul fetes is a biologically safe nitrogen. It's not like way over. You know way misused it provides nitrogen when the plant needs that it provides actually a microbial source of nitrogen to make proteins and it provides all for which is typically lacking. And you won't get a lot of call for in a lot of compost. In a low sulphur region. It'll compost just accumulate. What is in that region what. What went into that. So sulfur is one of the big things that Lakin to produce protein you need. You need to make sure you have enough soul for in your soil. Now I'm not saying boat load I'm just saying you just have. You have to have adequate amount. You know urea is an option it's not my favorite option but it is an option. CALTON nitrate an option these are just some air harvested. Nitrogen sources some people call them synthetics and. You know it's harvested out of the air. It really is the same. Free Radical when that when ammonium separates from sulphate. It's the same thing is it's all bacteria was to make that. Mano monium phosphate is a really good all around good purpose. Phosphate source. It's got a good Ph It doesn't lock up nearly like triple super will triple Sievers kind of YOUR WORST. Phosphate source in terms of. You know how much. How much it costs in the long run. So basically they mine phosphate rock. You know which is a naturally occurring. Phosphate and then they combine it somehow as a natural gas and that. I don't know if somehow it makes nitrogen and phosphorus combine. Another phosphate source which I really like. You know if I could. If I could use it in my soul. I would that the calcium levels pretty high. But it softer UK phosphate. And I think the best one for your dollar is the Tennessee Brown phosphate. So I'll just put that out there it's more of a reactive rock phosphate. So instead of like the softer up phosphate out of Florida. Which is a three percent released in a season. More more than often people think this is more like a seven percent in the first season released. So seven percent of the total twenty percent releases in the first year and then pretty much everything is released by year two. But Tennessee Brown phosphate is the really a wonderful source of phosphorous. It's got a lot of calcium. Got a lot of silicon. And it's got a lot of iron in some trace elements. For those of you that like fluoride. It does have fluoride. Because. And it doesn't have a tremendous amount of cadmium like a lot of phosphate sources can have potassium so fate let's go into potassium. Well as the now this one comes out a great salt lake. So somehow they've got the evaporation pond. And they make the task I'm still think out of the lake. So other than the top two the synthetic nitrogen and phosphate. Everything else from here on out is certified organic in my program. So the task install feta certified organic you need to test in any don't have conflict. To add it. Then that's a good source. It's fifty percent. Potash. So if the high amount. Came egg is potassium magnesium sulphate. I think I'm not going to pick up all these. If you want to come up and look later. I would encourage you to there's high calcium limestone. That's actually a great fertilizer that's your. That's your best Cosford allies are out there. So if you're lacking calcium. You're not going to. You're not going to make proteins like you could. So your best to sources of that are high Calton limestone or gypsum. And it depends on the soil tested doesn't depend on your Ph. It depends on the soil test. There are time to use gypsum there to definitely times you don't there's time to use limestone. And there's times you don't dole medic limestone. You know these things. You can't tell by looking at these things what they actually are so. You know it's kind of like compost You can look at it but you can't tell what's in this one and what's in this one. You just have to know what what are the nutrients in there. So what what we're trying to do especially with calcium and magnesium. If you want to get a good balance of the clays to you get good air Asian you get that good air ration. In the microbes now can breathe and they can do something. And they won't fall out. So then this guy is kind of the limit. Ru on the stand in the back there and he's got a. He's got bananas he'd like to plant in his soil. But his base tetration of calcium is thirty some percent. Any need to be at. He needs to be at sixty eight percent. And now it only sounds like well you just need to double the calcium level. Well no that's like a hundred X. difference you know you'll notice massive changes when he brings it to sixty eight. So again clays are very predictable. Elemental culture. I will pick this one up I think it's worthwhile. Seen it. They make it into these little pellets. So here we go. That looks like this they look like split peas. Don't ever buy elemental Paul for as powdered you will totally regret it in your lungs will really regret it. Don't do that just by the. By the granular. There's no way you can apply I mean this is like. This is so simple to apply and it's such a long term so for source. The ninety or another sea salt if you're needing sodium. If you're needing Boron. There's something called Granny bore. Or Boron fifteen. This company here. Cameron chemicals is bringing in this Boron I think at a chill A or out of probably chili. So they're importing one but it's not the famous granny bore even though the percentages are that's pretty much the same. This one will release a lot slower. Yes. Borax and grainy bore a very similar. You can use for X. bit. How to how much do you like spreading powders on a windy day. They can be kind of a pain. Well. Small garnered by him. You know. You know. Now that he brings up a good point a lot of times you want to try to mix everything together so then you can make multiple passes on it and get a pretty good spread. But you know. For actors eleven percent. More on a grainy boars fourteen point three percent. The stuff they say is fifteen percent. But this will release slower than grainy bore. So sometimes you want it. You want to slow release. Iron sulphate. Here's the or Gannicus version. This one just got on the armory lists. Two or three weeks back from this one it's from. Q.C. Corp. So finally. The company went through all the paperwork and got it approved. So on our farm we need a truckload. Every year for the next couple years. So quite a bit of iron sulphate. This stuff is hardest bread but this. There's iron sulphate have to hydrate. And there's mana hydrate and mana hydrate. Looks like this it's nice and pelleted. But it releases quite a bit slower. So if you need to build iron. Right here and right now. This is your. This is your best bet. And again as your as you bring everything in balance more of the stuff a lot of times becomes available. So like we're starting it. Twenty to fifty parts per million. Iron and probably just by balancing the soil and probably raise it to fifty to eighty. You know I'm just assuming. But a lot of times it goes up and down like that manganese sulphate is your best. Manganese apply. We have an overabundance in our valley. So I don't think I'll ever need that lot of people think it's iron which causes the redness in our souls that is the main Guinea's zinc Gulf a thirty five percent of times this class go to. Five o'clock. OK. Zinc sulphate thirty five percent that's your. That's your best. Think the worst copper sulphate twenty five percent. Noticed that all of these I keep saying the same words Sophie sulphate sulfate sulfate because they're available. And a soul really can use coal for to make you miss. If you're lacking so for you really can't build humans that effectively so. Plant needle actually quite a bit of soul for especially if you're growing like brassicas like cabbage. Broccoli that kind of thing. And we'll pick up these because most people probably don't know if they look like that the sodium the lived a you need. Very small amounts of this. But when you need it. You need it. Otherwise the plant can build up nitrate. And it turns kind of toxic to animals. And then Cobalt will say this is. This is the element that goes in the middle of the twelve. So. Ruminant animals you can. If they're ruminant animals are growing well on that property a lot of times it's either copper or it's Coble for it's phosphorous. Could be other things too but still it can I get that with to do to. Well as the might or planters to offer up phosphate really is my. I love that stuff that stuff is really great. You know. It's not an immediate phosphate source but it has just a lot of a lot of kick to it. Kelp is good for trace elements and a lot of people try to use kelp to build their iodine levels. But all the studies I've seen and Iodine is like you're going to you're going to into your bank account. So don't do it. I mean you're talking. It's only like seven hundred two thousand parts per million iodine. There's some high I die in kelps now that are kind of fortified but you're the. Potassium I had a two. And if anybody wants more information I could send you. There's really no stall test for iodine or still any I'M SO name in these two. Because they're typically deficient in people. You're Lowenthal any M. You can't fight cancer real well if you're low in iodine Well you can't be cold. You can't manage your temperature very well in your body. So it's one of those things where there's really no civil test for ID so you do a tissue analysis of known cropped. Sodium cell and Nate. Not telling night. You want to use the eight. Versions of these sodium Stalin eight now. If anybody's actually going to follow through and put those on their soil give me a call first I'll send you some information to read through but I mean there's really no good research on this. So one thing that can be really helpful is to add a carbon with your synthetic nitrogen source. This is kind of a Reims idea I know. But I think there's some validity to it. So you can add a black you made. Which is a mind product. You could add a little bit of compost I mean you could do molasses just some carbon source though that nitrogen has a place to so the bacteria have some carbon to feed off of as the are making the proteins. The biological food. So the correct path and any kind of soil is learned the need. With a good soil test I think we've kind of hit that but I want to make sure it's on the notes. So people that read it can know it. We actually have. And we praise the Lord we actually have a fairly decent soil to start with we don't have horrible excesses or horrible. When we get them bad deficiencies but it's easier to build up a deficiency than to remove an excess. You know then you have to look into your nutrient options in a typically. That's not best done by you. If you're not like really well versus maybe not even best on the need but you know whatever lab you choose in have them do a recommendation. I have one lab that I like very much. But I also know that people have their labs of choice. The ingredients I went over I believe are the right are the best ingredients. I will bring up one more. If you're first using Boron you can use boric acid. It's not a caustic acid. It's just that. And it's not really that valuable but it is the form that the plant take up so you can get more bang for your buck with forecasted. It just doesn't come in a greenie or form. But everything else that I talked about I mean it's basically. If your soil is needing two hundred fifty pounds of to have some sulphate here and then you need to or fifty pounds later. It's kind of kind of add it added on and you know while you're doing this you know and going to practice. Biological principles you know not excessive killing not. You know. Not a lot of not herbicides brain you know. Keep the biology alive. So. Now. The tricky part about all of this the source in the ingredients especially on a garden level. There are companies out there that will pre-packaged what you need into a package. I don't exactly know who they are think peaceful valley might. I think our farm should. But I don't want to step on anybody's toes of somebodies already doing it. But I think for we need a lot of nature is for our internal use. And we could pass on the savings to others and help fund the school at the same time. So if anybody's interested in that let me know. I would even be entertain like broker in bulk shipments. Maybe there's others that have the like don't like to be that want to keep their costs down but I really don't like pain. Too much for fertilizers you can. You could empty a bank account pretty quick. Let me give an example. Last fall. Last spring. I got priced seven hundred dollars. In twenty seven twenty five per tonne for sulphate. Now I figured out who the suppliers were. And I can actually go direct to the suppliers. And it's you know what they would charge me is three twenty a tonne both of them they kind of. They kind of work together they get a little collusion thing going on I think but. But three hundred two and so you think about OK if you need a full truckload. Forty fourth. You know which is twenty two tonnes times the difference of about three hundred. You know you're almost up to seven thousand dollars here. You know so I'm so shopping around it takes a it takes some time to figure out who these suppliers are they don't just advertise themselves. And a lot of times things like you know. Mano monium phosphate. You have to have one hundred tonne border minimum I think I've called and they don't want to. They don't want to deal with me. They go through other people. So but I think I've at least on our farm I've got it as cheap as I possibly can get it from domestic sources. I mean there's Chinese sources but I don't want to. I don't want to go that route. And again I'm asking the question why not just compost in the new or. I'm not putting it up here for you I'm putting it up for the next people that'll be viewing this. And. So essentially this soil that would do well with the low calcium. Low magnesium compost. That Hassoun would likely limit the column compost amount added to the soil. And my recommendation is on this oil test that I run and which is through Kinsey Ag Services. You know don't exceed seven and a half percent based at aeration on the potassium. And which on this oil. Bowl. Size. You know it's a thousand pounds per acre. So. Place it's a research these nutrients are shown here. There's also now there's. There are a million places to look for nutrients. And there's not one that's like an all in one package that has really good prices. That's what I found. You know you just have to kind of. And again I contend. I can stay in this list to anybody so maybe after the meeting I can take your email and I can just send it directly to you on a P.D.F.. Now. I did say that all of this stuff is on the on Marie Marie lists. Pretty much everything that's showing up here other than the synthetic nitrogen are already approved. So a lot of this stuff. You know to me it doesn't make any sense. You know you have a product like boric acid. Ion that boric acid big grand you bore. OK this is kind of a manmade substance. So somehow this passes but somehow. This doesn't win this is proven to be very. There's no heavy metals and I mean there's has some heavy metals but it's not more than anything else. I mean why. Why the discrepancy and I think it's just. I think it's just our mindset more than anything there really isn't there a good reason. In my opinion. We as Adventists need to focus. So heavily on providing the most value to people nutritionally and lean like a basically overextend ourselves producing nutrient density. Like make sure it's so that there's something of value that when people eat it they say wow this mustn't come from an Adventist. So all of this stuff we we have certified organic acreage we have about thirty acres of certified organic. We don't you know. Funding is always the issue so we haven't like fertilized hardly anything on the farm but you know the potential. Specifically once we get iron sulphate. Brought on site you know I think the. The yields will go up pretty dramatically. Are you better not bad because our calcium and magnesium but are our quality could definitely improve. So like Peaceful Valley Farm Supply if you're in the West Coast is good. Lancaster AG on the East Coast is good in the middle of the country I've got some one supplier that I deal with a new type got another supplier in Texas there's another one. A lot of these things. Though just need to be basically trucked into one site. I mean my my go. My hope in Adventist agriculture is that will have multiple suppliers. Around the country that we can actually operate like a unified body. That it. You know. It would all become a Utah and then redistributed half way back across the country but there'd be like every state would have their own site. And then once we have the nutrition in place. Then you know as you're growing the nutrition in your growing leaves you compost that you stick it back on site. And you just have this. You just have the cycle of nutrients on your own property and. So your best option for fifty pound bags is local co-op than agronomy centers. This is a real problem. Like if you're not real specific with them and know really what you're looking for they will. They don't know probably much better than you do so if you ask for a single sulphate you're on the east coast near Virginia. Because there's one specific company. That you know they sell an oxy sulfate well. And oxy sulphate is nothing like a whole fate will say it is. I'd like to see it on the crop response. But you know you need to make sure that you just try to stick with a sole fate is my recommendation. Everybody makes their oxy still face different. It's just not even worth spending time on. First certain things like COBOL to molybdenum there is a feed great nutrient dealers. We needed a lot of cobalt in molybdenum on our property so I bought two hundred pounds of molybdenum and I bought. Hundred pounds of cobalt coal face while the price is cheap. And I'm redistributing it so if anybody has a saw test and they need it. While I'm here just let me know I've got them. One pound in five pound bags. But these things are kind of hard to get because like you know you go down to get the brand. Brand chemical product and it's like thirty three bucks a pound in a in a five pound bag. That's pretty steep. In this one is probably close to thirty dollars a pound. But. You also have local councils to maneuver in and again I'm given an example if your soil only needs two hundred pounds of potassium. In adding compost will add fifty pounds per tonne. It's better not to add more than four tons per acre of compost. That's just the. That's my thing gesture into. I believe in time. I believe definitely in heaven you know we're not going to be adding nitrogen I don't believe compost will really need to be added. I do believe that the air. Contains all the nitrogen we need. If we can get the soil. Nutrition right. And the biology breathing. And they need Cobalt. And they need molybdenum to make nitrogen. Come out of the air. So we need. These are just basic co-factors and in signs if you don't have it you don't have it. So there's just some regions that. You know they're just kind of devoid of it. But in the meantime we are putting down nitrogen in so. If you look at the so attest you'll see something called Ian are on the nitrogen it'll stay like sixty eight pounds. So it's basically how much nitrogen is projected to release off the humus that's in there. And it's a pretty it's pretty accurate. I mean believe me it actually is pretty accurate. If you just put a lot of compost or a nitrogen fertilizer on well then you can get a nitrate test in ammonium test to see how much nitrogen is still in the soil that's free nitrogen not in the humidity. And you add the two of those together the Ian are in a free nitrogen. Gives you. Total nitrogen and then. Whatever your crop needs if you need. Hundred fifty pounds a night or June. Or you need a hundred. With any just do the math. Your water. Can supply a lot of your nutrients. So if you're coming on to a new farm. And you need all the calcium. And you have really high calcium water. Sometimes you can start building calcium just with your water. We build calcium we maintain a percent calcium. Ten percent magnesium on our soil. And it's done with our water. And we're and we're grown alfalfa which is a high remover. So fifth review. And this is just a review. Just prices per unit do vary widely. Wildly. So if you. You ask this one co-op. And then you go to their competitor twenty miles down the road you ask another co-op you are going to get different prices in almost all cases. I would say shop around but I really think people would spend their time better if there was an Adventist that was coordinating all of this. And actually one per state. You know that would be the ideal where one person first day we could order in bulk. Are our farmers you know we've got some large farmers actually in the conference here. Everybody to be buying in bulk instead of going through a dealer. So we need. There's nothing wrong with that with supporting your local dealer but there's no reason to put money in somebody else's pocket for no reason. And that's the point that we're at so. Remember that that that different than iron still fate is not. I've done pricing like this. Quite a bit. You know. And seven hundred dollars a tonne versus three hundred twenty dollars a tonne. I mean you do the math. I mean that money could go toward. Studying up a farm in Colombia or something like that. You know. You never know you always want to compare apples and apples. So if something says like like iron told they will say thirty percent iron. And it's. Three hundred eighty dollars a tonne. Whereas the twenty percent. Is three hundred twenty dollars a tonne we think that that's actually more iron and you're right it is. But if your crop needs iron is screaming for iron. This is your. The one you want to use. Now this is the worst nutrient to apply. Like it's just it's just dusty. But you know it is and it is needed in the ground and once you add it you'll know that you added it. The just always make sure you're comparing the apples and apples. Make sure they're not trying to tell you know oxy sulphate or and oxide coated with with the fear of acid a lot of times. A co-op. Worker will call it a soul fate. It's not a full faith in till it et though for. If it's oxide and go for that doesn't make it false eight. So also by the product you actually need if they have one thing. A lot of times it can work. But if you're kind of new at it you can buy the wrong product pretty easily. Like if you need a seven one one fertiliser opaque on this one because we own it. It's a seven one one fertiliser. Well really. This one percent. Phosphate. So this is nitrogen. Phosphate potassium. But it's really not nitrate nitrogen nitrogen. Available phosphate. So this level is actually more like a four percent total phosphate. This is the way Americans display fertilizers. And then this one's about a one percent. Potash sono and then it also has this one doesn't have calcium but a lot of these organic fertilizers if there are like manure based chicken litter base. They can have quite a bit of calcium so if you don't need calcium in you. You're like an iron deficiency already you're going to make that you could make the problem worse. Stay away from octave so phase. Steer clear of the new Earth with pharmaceutical. This is becoming a bigger problem I believe. I don't want to sound like an extremist but I do believe it's a bigger and bigger problem. And although there's there is some trace nutrients coming out of China with really exorbitant. Cadmium levels in arsenic levels. Specifically zinc and phosphate. So I would really be cautious. You know you don't want to take your little plot and compromise it by using something that seems natural because there's stuff going into manure that didn't go in there fifty and one hundred years ago. And unfortunately organic. Sometimes is not the best safest and most predictable batch to batch. You have batch to batch of variability. More so than a lot of times because it's unregulated and I don't want it regulated. But. But like ruling was sane. You have like he gets a car he gets the manure down there where they just kind of sprinkle hydrated line. All over the place. And so he's got. I think is like something like three hundred pounds per ton or two hundred pounds per ton of calcium. Well in the next batch he may have a hundred in the next batch he may have seven hundred. It depends how how much they're sprinkling down on the ground. So his is a very variable. Form of manure. I'm going to mention this also. Don't be scared of chemical dealers you know they're just they're people. They're still known. I'm sensing that there's that there's some of our people that are getting scared by anybody that handles chemicals and I think the Lord has given you a deficiency in your soil. Likely one of these guys can step in and become that become a help to you be a friend to them. You know. Even if they sell don't don't bring up the words Monsanto or G.M.O. or bear down with Syngenta. Just be a friend to you know. When you can opt for granular fertilizers. The only exception is if you really need iron then this is your best bet. But everything else pretty much. Well other than the powders can be granular. But granular fertilizers. Look like this they just they blend knightly they spread nicely. You almost can't beat it. And then measure your land accurately. There there is no purpose in polling is the example if you can't measure your land accurately. Use Google Maps. Use R.T.S. Explorer use an app that you can download. Use a wheel. Just measured accurately. Is that seven hundred or is it eight hundred square feet. Is it seven twenty five versus seven fifty three just get as accurate as you possibly can and when you pull a sample you make sure you pull a sample for one so type. So this is what the granular mix. Look like and. This is the way it looked after is watered in. We had Pennsylvania. That we put down. We had the granular mix we had powdered Tennessee Brown phosphate had a very low rate. And then we had fairest all state. This material they got put down. Most of those things watered in the beans obviously don't water in. But everything else that's about an inch and a half of water watered everything in so your bare minimum is going to be one half inch of water to water it in and most the time it can be more like one to one and a half inches. To water your fertilizers and. Here's what I think are some of the best fertilizer spreaders out there. Now if you're running to makers like bananas or somethin. I think of I can spread are super nice. I like it it spreads evenly. It's fairly low tech. But it has a little swinging arm out there. And there's all sorts of options that come with it or that you can make. Come with it. If you're doing big field. I think these airflow spreaders there's not a lot that really beat them missed in terms of accuracy. They'll put the nutrients right where you want them. They're expensive though. So you've got to be running a couple thousand acres to probably pay for it for garden bed. There's something called a grand a mac spreader and it's like a little pendulum spreader that you just sling over your arm. I just learned about this thing and I tried it out. The only problem with it it's got a design flaw is that it crimps a crimp in that little tube. And then it doesn't keep the same flow but if you can keep it from crimping it's actually pretty accurate so if you've got a bed. That needs fertilizer in just that bed. I haven't found in another way that's better. A lot of times you want to use some kind of a filler. In order to make it spread farther like sand or something like that to make it spread. But basically it works great in our two and a half foot wide beds. And this is a good belly spreader for sixteen foot water. You know I was fertilized in the other day with beans in a did pretty well. Here's different resources. I'm almost out of time he's going to cut me off. And then here's the mother resource. So all of this is available by P.D.F. to have a happy. 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