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08 - Discovering Our Christian Heritage

Adam Ramdin

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This week, join Esther Louw and Adam Ramdin as they delve into the history of the Protestant Reformation and discover it’s meaning and relevance for our lives today. Adam Ramdin currently serves as the North England Conference Youth Director as well as the director of PEACE, an evangelism training school. Adam is passionate about Christian history and has become known for his involvement with Lineage Journey, a video documentary series covering the Protestant Reformation.

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Adam Ramdin

Youth Director for the North England Conference of SDA

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  • April 29, 2018
    8:45 AM

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Real Change requires real action and who knew that better than the reform or Martian Luther recently the Christian world celebrated the 500th year anniversary of the Protestant Reformation in their time the reformist brought about a complete transformation of religion and society but 500 years later how much of their legacy remains with us is the Reformation are still relevant or is it time for the Christian world to move on to move here and fresh stories Welcome to the G.I.C. beyond podcast in this episode at around insists down to discuss these ideas with me as we on package the meaning and relevance of Christian history in the 21st century I don't currently So it's the north of England conference as news director and the director of Peace and evangelism Training School Adam was passionate about Christian history and has become known for his involvement with Lennon's journey a video documentary series covering the Protestant Reformation. Thank you very much for joining us and being available to you as a some of the questions that we have sure. Obviously today you know you're not 1 for a lot of different things but recently you've been putting out videos and Christian heritage lineage journey how did you 1st become interested in Christian history. Is like this changes the force of history I started school it was a sense of the I was interested in Christian history just kind of built the war heritage years and then living in England for this time access to visit some of these historic sites that will come close to the right of us looking Rachael that's a work it's all there was a bit of an I think when you actually visit places that you read about Bruce what you read about what a life maybe that's a little bit a little bit more prolife than the others who have the chance to visit maybe that we can interest as well and then you know that was something I was allowed to write. Kens us and so as a gun carrier and you visited a lot of different places any of our visiting rat stories and got a lot of research why do you think the record of Christian history is important for young people today how is it relevant. Is rather because they are the strong UN or desire to know what our individual identity is and that's kind of 1 on a technical level it's kind of on our who our eyes are personally but also you know I think who we are spiritually though that people are wondering who they are where they come from is 1 of the big questions that life and soul you don't really know who you are as you know where you come from right and so it's a good point I think spiritual that has played out although Are you with whatever religion you are where does the engine come from or of origin what are its roots and is it something you trust as of Christianity who we are today there's a heritage that we have inherited and what is that what you know how it was built in the past play and suit our identity that is all of that is rather in a sense because it gives no the past where we come from gives us identity today we think of as Mission work or purpose as the way we're going away Hey talk about it gives us an identity or a purpose about where a guy and how is your study of Christian history and for I mean shaped your own sense of identity. Because I think you know this knowing the the various characters and how what we believe today is kind of was a fusion that is kind of the little people that really discovered certain truths that kind of form a basis of what I believe that they are so that his interest in the old didn't just draw on 1 individual god was working through different people over time that may or may not have known each other as you can kind of see a divine hand as God was going of working through His people of their own movement and of he was a group. Sense of appreciation to have it as much as all of that you rancorous of it OK You know I like chaos a sailor not fun in a vacuum I think Affan today we feel disconnected from our history and having us here and now I love that you're trying to get us back and have a look at that history and past hour is there a difference when you read about these Christians and you visit the places where they lived is there a difference that you see with how they understood their mission and identity and how we kind of understand ourselves as Christians today mainly there's some similarities Do they were living in in a world that was very much an anti for mood was standing there theological or philosophical stance that was kind of they were against the grain and many ways to date with different concept Christianity is against the grain again what a penny what type of belief you have you are more against the grain and so in that sense I think there are similarities what 1 movie called a stand for today probably different issues there with the more alive those who can still get the same core of the understanding that you quote against the crowd although you're on your own or you're against the grain you see it as a common thread through history and that's something that I think is both inspirational motivational. Converts as well are there any particular inner individuals that have in mind when you think about people going against the grain in a way that we can emulate today John will put his want is on my favorite when he was around there was only 1 church in Europe you don't have an option as that was church wanted people to go to there were just 1 and he was kind of the 1st person I started to speak out against the corruption in that church and try to back up and try to bring some change. And you really want to get the growth in many areas Martin Luther's another 1 that really you know well against the grain how to make a stand. On his own inspire whole system of Christianity in his country and he had to make that stand on his own there was other support there later on that you know you got a young man as well that good thing is that it is out of this is how many of the reformers work with young and we always look at them as I did. Was that we moved Oh but all of the picture hook up to the big you know 1st or hard part black or white or when I just always painted over they just look like they're all men are a are and use assume are those and although you don't want to know all guys you know drunk I want you to question a little bit the age of the did most of the things that they did most of them are actually that you know on this side of 40 on this side of the city and in the lower side and so they were most of the time young men and so we invited quite encouraging developing our kind of sat down before in our book for the birthday and when he did that and I don't know the year that our he learned our audience only until they are translated the New Testament. He was like $32.00 and that incredible means the outward on the body of it is in the twenty's Yeah you know there are so that's something about a year yeah so you know they are like a point out there age because our friend you know today we think that I can't do what they dead and I'm too young where I don't have the the skills and abilities and when you look at these people's stories and lives what stands out to help them achieve those things and help them have that character to do incredible things that in an age 1 common trend thing or common thread and move on from person to person is is a characteristic of of integrity. The characteristics of juicy to the troops. And you find the AGAIN and AGAIN. He was asked once he's there with whom you think you could only with an old man on the brink of the grave. And he said no you're going tending with truth truth that's stronger than you and shoot all over the news and I think a common thread that you see there on the reformers is they understood that our big or important other people thought they were they were smaller than the truth that they were trying to defend or teach and that's something you find to all of them they all know them go to the phrase they're too big for their boots or believe they're all too much or how little understood that quarter they're all fighting for was bigger than their. Own and it was that because of a move forward with or without them on this kind of preview move or the fact you can investigate the truth of all the true power that you see that in their eyes or over again as common recurring theme Wright said the developing in character integrity and putting the truth above yourselves that you are no greater than the things that you're working for I think on all that would be characteristic of humility by leg you have that belief where you don't see yourself US or for that another common throws none of them plan to be reformers her way no moment of her on the way they will just want to be faithful to her and then God bless them in different areas but there are many other reformers that we no idea where the names are who are faithful who were votes for Martin Luther no 1 wanted to be a great public figure him self of the public city the appeals of a John John Wycliffe never you know it will they will they all want as 1 of the do always right and 1 will and I think I was able to bless them in a way that other people may not know the handle right now we've been talking a lot about not just Christian history of US specifically reformers and you know this past year has been that 500 anniversary as people consider the beginning of the Reformation How is the Reformation relevant to me today. Even mattering why I think it doesn't matter to answer the shorelines I think it doesn't matter the Reformation wasn't so much an event or a place of it the Reformation took place in your own this year where much of that is this action but I think the Reformation is more the ideas behind it and the bigger ideas about bind there are the Reformation was a challenge of our was a challenge of unscriptural practices in the church it was a challenge of corruption it was a challenge of what was wrong in society and it was the idea that the Bible could be read by all moan that all of a should a equal access I think many of these same principles still are around today and that's as I think is rather you know is there rather in the sense that the principle or that they live for the freedom that they wanted for others as well as for themselves is the role of that and so as a young present and there are things that they stood for and that I should want to stand for as well they see important I think so I think he like you know 1 of the most others we don't know and 1 of the reason why I like him he was 42 when he died but there are about of them like examples of that on Earth they were 42 and he died a few years of the last 11 years of his life he lived on the run in Europe constantly chased he wanted to transit the way will the king fall they the translation that I will He was the foremost the a modern who was from England and there was a living there and there were some of the tribe and reconciliations and you're looking. Only 1 coming to England and discuss their etc etc And even though you know in the following years as 1 country a pair of the liars is Brothers as well as the low and probably want to go home he refused or MELISSA KING 1 of the other translation of the bio. No more the principle a live for the mile for all men are more than a sacrifice for a small just for my own comfort notice the word and go back to my home country is alone if you go all the roads out of Beirut are and so it is fascinating you know things they talk stands on on a principle that was behind there as you know on behind it and so either that's Roman for us as a young or Europe or that they're. The cause he was going forward because. He will be stuck there all the way to go though we live in a age where there's people that want to try and do change in society or it want to change things in their church or their lives but are they fully committed to it yet we have a prayer for slacktivism when we're just making asto that and posting it online but does it really make real change I mean some of them do some of them do but a lot of them others most online for me please and I think to have real change in our lives a real change in our churches or societies it takes real physical these the vase action and that's something we see with the reform of the images of hiding behind you know a faceless universal movement ever actually on the ground involved and they are so this tells me that not only did they think it's a great cause but they really believed in it I mean bought into and they're willing to sacrifice now right now I've talked a lot about you know the positive sides of the question our Reformation our human history bad you see things that happened and the Reformation that we darn right stripy to that here thing that you see something in the opposite reformation that smart that great. And for example you have some Protestant Reformers who come on their left of us as a and they are amazing shows emotion is not good then you have someone else that will be brother group that will look at what they now stood for. Like the 2.0 version of what they used to as a White House he will either make another adjustment but only Huegill Oh no you don't this is who we are and there were no where the White House is going to change this and then when they become office eyes from the living room and 1 center fires people will often only advance as far as maybe their leader abounds as opposed to thinking for themselves and examining things really on revolving And so that's not the best example for the right thing you know we should be you know always trying to understand things in the form entirety and the back thing though is how often people restricted people who have their own rights restricted within which are the rights of other people than sort of regularly when there was a movement all the analysts. Was basically as remote as them and they came on as a you know because of the trials know nothing about other than all the violence is legal believe example and they wanted to print redactors on there all the and about it's and the Protestants were broke away from the Catholics they didn't like this new teaching as only and about is they got killed as much whatever Catholics as they did by the Protestants allowed to think of which is can really slow now quite as those that would even kill approaches them and so on I really think in the Reformation was all you know squeaky clean another even was all right and the some of the South darker sides of the Reformation I mean overwhelmingly it's on to but I think that stuck 1 lesson that we can learn today that we should leave we should not restrict the rights or restrict development over people's thought and then. So how do we relate this to being an Adventist because as Adventists you know we do have a sense of feeling a bit of a drive to truth how do we prevent ourselves from getting into that same mindset 1 way or closed are from me anything else I got my reveal to us while still maintaining our Adventists and any. I think learned as a certain things that we know aren't our kind of core or key doctrinal or fundamental beliefs sometimes we call them a landmark teaching or doctrine and that's what kind of defines you as an Adventist now as a church we have built on those over time what we have today is money exactly what we have anything 63 now on that and 863 we do in my house a solidified teaching or direct came slightly after that and 1863 we don't have the doctrine of tired came 879 and 863 we didn't have a settled understanding or doctrine of the Trinity that in council in 90 if that is of all of these which are so many years later and so. As a church we have added things over time I mean even in my lifetime we went from about 27 fundamental to 20 over the mantle as you know 10 years out and so I think as a church historically we've shown that we are open or 150 years isn't too doctrinal development and finding out what are some of the key believes that we stand for and so I think we historically have shown an openness to that I think we should continue to do that is not well known go than you know you can see the study in as we continue to live in society maybe that more true that male and more important is what we saw before May we haven't settled on them but the same time we don't want to be arrogant and think that you know or how in our We've we've arrived which will always be our journey and that could be a journey on our bodies but more importantly is a journey that goes on a journey as well where you know we're always examining about how we acquire truth or lies personally and Howie. How we you know are we living our top you know it is a bigger question I think I mean every show how I stated that just having a healthy respect for where guys let us and being open to something that made progress in that same way without throwing out everything that God of yours brought to like just looking at all the conversation that had about people and their interactions the truth and the Bible which are these are historical issues do you think I are. Still alive and gas you know I've talked about principles and that are there any particular you know theological issues or crises they have come and they go over and over again history and still living. I think marriage really is want if there were information the teaching of marriage was under threat from the Catholic Church they believe you are more holy your spiritual not of the marriage of. Sex that it was then known to man and so you had the clergy you were celibate a higher form as there are 2 other thing you have a lazy or just kind of in a can control annoyance but that teachin itself caused great terrible practices to happen in the church you know it's stifling natural desires of math and that's something you find other information the reforms came along and in many ways it was like a sector ocean of muscle and they got married to it were screened on junk Cowing got married and they and they actually talked of going to manage and you know enjoy marriage and the Puritans who came out of them a bit more you know they actively promoted the institution of marriage I think Marris the way the institution is under threat not necessarily maybe from the religious side of society you could say is more a threat from the secular liberals are a society where people are questioning you know gender issues and all of the things that they and I think that's a still relevant issue for us in the ground with a church or a movie or a question as the movie get in the pressure or attacks from different sides but it's still something that is a threat. As there is a great that I would never connect at this 2 ideas together as a young press and who may not have a match background in Christian history how do I get my feet wet and find these ices that are not in Scully or are heavy That's a great place that I can go to to get our history back and Christian history and I had to match the reckoned with. The broad sweep of history is not if you like him more than the fine of these others must miss their view of the broad sweep and the spiritual lessons of history. I think the root of this is a great place to start not by own Well it's not too long is the 1st time is made really the process of evolution religious history and as a very very basis start Thank you so much for your time we really appreciate that you can make it out and share with us some of these of our principles from history and how young people can take away from that and also. Thank you for spending a time with us we are grateful for Adam randoms involvement and hope you have enjoyed our discussion as much as we did.

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